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MPAA Fights Pirates with Gentle Threats

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the kindler-gentler-tactics dept.

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Gillious writes "Wow! It seems the MPAA has learned from the RIAA's mistakes. It seems we aren't going to get mass-lawsuits for grandmothers and 12-year-old kids. I find this quote most interesting: 'The movie industry, he said, has to ask itself what the music industry should have asked years ago: 'Why do they want to steal from us?' The answer, he said, is simple: 'Because you won't sell them what they want.' The technologists say that what went wrong with the music industry can easily go wrong for movie companies, too.'"

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price (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816932)

the cost of a DVD is several hours pay where I am. You can figure it out.

Re:price (1)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816995)

the cost of a DVD is several hours pay where I am. You can figure it out.
So how's things fellow american?

Re:price (0, Offtopic)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817005)

Mc Donalds? Burger King? c'mon give us a clue..

seriously, it sounds like you are not in america and decentric idealizing the costs.. it's a few hours pay here for most people too..

Re:price (1)

phatsharpie (674132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817045)

Just wondering, how much does your net connection cost? Although I can see DVD price being a factor, is bandwidth where you are so cheap that downloading large movie files are a non-issue? If not the cost of the connection, how about the cost in time?

This isn't a flame, but I am just wondering how much are you saving overall in regards to bandwidth cost and/or time cost.

-B

Re:price (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817099)

$50 canadian for 1.5 mb cable..

Re:price (3, Insightful)

Citizen Kaine (689940) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817102)

Time cost is not a factor at all, and neither is bandwidth cost really, and here's why: My computer and internet connection are on 24 hours a day, whether they are downloading or not. The cost of downloading a movie is nothing more then a minute of my time to start it. Whether I watch it tonight, or a couple days later is immaterial, because I have still had full use of my computer during that time. (for the record, longest I ever spent on one torrent, 6 days. But then it was nearly 11 gigabytes of data.)

Waaaahhhhhhh.... (-1, Troll)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817049)

Guess you're too stupid to earn more money...idiocy is no excuse!

Being a gay nigger is though (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817100)

eat a dick

Re:price (3, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817069)

the cost of a DVD is several hours pay where I am.

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Re:price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817122)

That was pretty funny. Thankfully I didn't wait around to see if the guy morphed into the goatse.cx guy or tubgirl but hopefully it's just a good old fashioned make fun of the retard at Burger King web page.

crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816933)

You woulda thought lawsuits would have been flying, hell.. it's much more fun that way!

1st post (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816935)

Death to the RIAA!

less restrictive downloads (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816937)

They need to come up with something like iTunes for movies that will let you buy movies, not just rent them and the file expires. And have just enough DRM to stop most people from copying. I think if the RIAA would have done this earlier in the game, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in now.

Re:less restrictive downloads (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816953)

Multi-GB downloads that expire? I'd look elsewhere for my movies. HMV sales are a good start.

Re:less restrictive downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816962)

Multi-GB downloads that expire? I'd look elsewhere for my movies.

So would the poster you reply to, and preferreably on an online service.

Re:less restrictive downloads (2, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816964)

I think I worded that bad. Not ones that you rent and the file expires. I think this is what kind of things they have right now.

Re:less restrictive downloads (4, Insightful)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816958)

give it some time. Two factors that will lead to that. 1) long term sucess of such services as iTunes, and 2) Higher precentage of people with fast internet connections. While both of these are moving towards a reality, i doubt that you will see any movie service in the next year or so. Computers are just not the best way of playing a movie. And while I am sure that there are some people who here who have their monitor hooked up to some big tv or something like that, most dont. Things like movies on demand where you can order them and play them whenever you want on your cable box are whats going to happen in the near future. But eventually they will be

Re:less restrictive downloads (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816970)

Well my monitor is bigger than my TV, so I like to use it for DVDs more.

Re:less restrictive downloads (2, Insightful)

rking (32070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817060)

Computers are just not the best way of playing a movie

Sounds like you don't have a decent projector :)

Re:less restrictive downloads (4, Insightful)

svanstrom (734343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817071)

give it some time. Two factors that will lead to that. 1) long term sucess of such services as iTunes, and 2) Higher precentage of people with fast internet connections. While both of these are moving towards a reality, i doubt that you will see any movie service in the next year or so. Computers are just not the best way of playing a movie. And while I am sure that there are some people who here who have their monitor hooked up to some big tv or something like that, most dont. Things like movies on demand where you can order them and play them whenever you want on your cable box are whats going to happen in the near future.


350 MB is enough for very good quality episodes of your favorite "1 hour" series, like Stargate, Star trek, Andromeda and so on; and 350 MB is easily downloaded even using basic ADSL.

I'd rather view the all new episodes on my computer (well, I do have my computer hooked up to my tv) when they are released, than not being able to watch it at all (until it's released on DVD).

I'd gladly pay 5 USD per episode if I get it the day it's released, and combined with a BT-ish way of downloading it won't kill their servers (too much, just a little ;-).

Re:less restrictive downloads (1)

stwrtpj (518864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817103)

Two factors that will lead to that. 1) long term sucess of such services as iTunes, and 2) Higher precentage of people with fast internet connections.

3) Agreements with cable companies to stop cutting off users for burning too much bandwidth.

It was not long ago that Slashdot had an article about people being cut off from their ISP because they were told they were using too much bandwidth. How does the MPAA expect to be able to get people to use their services unless they coordinate with the cable industry and prevent them from cutting off their customers?

snap back to reality (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816992)

'Because you won't sell them what they want.' Would this be more nude gratuity in movies? I remember movies like Porky's, the slasher flicks (Friday the 13th/Halloween), where all I cared about was a cheap thrill, now I've just stooped as low as making Jenna and Chasey what Julia Roberts and Demi Moore are to most, my heavy hitters. On a personal opinion note though, all you have is toddler-filtered crap.

Porn industry makes billions on low budgets imagine if you had Carmen Electra running around losing her top every two minutes along with Angelina Jolie, and a slew of other hollyweird chix doing the same. Just ultra nude scenes for no reason other than to run around newd. (fear)

The technologists say that what went wrong with the music industry can easily go wrong for movie companies, too.
What went wrong with the music industry is crappy music. Everyone rushing to throw out something for the sake of a quick buck. Hell new artists are releasing their greatest hits after their second album. How the hell can you have a greatest hits album when you're out like for 12-18 months?

Now for you bsharitt: I think if the RIAA would have done this earlier in the game, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in now. What mess do you think the RIAA is in? They're slowly making money, and although they are, through their cheap shot lawsuits, I'm sure it's going right back into their own pockets. What does this mean when it goes right back into their pockets? Means nothing more than they are going to whine more and claim loss loss loss to the artists (even though they recoup some loss), and stick it to more twelveteen year olds nationwide. It's a dirty game, but it's nothing more than business.

They need to come up with something like iTunes for movies that will let you buy movies, not just rent them and the file expires Let's get realistic about this for a minute, the second they do find a way to make expiry movies, even if it expires after 1,000 views, someone is going to come along and break it for the sake of geek coolness, or hacker-fu-ness (and I mean hacker-fu-ness on the respectable non scriptkiddiot sense), and that idea is as they say in Japan sayanora.

Re:snap back to reality (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817020)

Again let me clarify, when i say, buy movies, not just rent them and the file expires, i mean for them to not rent them and the file expires, not for them the make the file expire when you buy them, they already tried this.

Re:snap back to reality (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817075)

i mean for them to not rent them and the file expires, not for them the make the file expire when you buy them, they already tried this. And again let me point out someone will still try to circumvent this just for the sake of hacker-fu-ness. Aside from that, if I rent something out and watch it at home, now say I have a two day rental, sometimes I bring in vids late, what makes you think I would pay for something I may not be able to watch where I otherwise would normally be able to, on my late return day?

I also have a habit of giving my brother my rentals when I'm done so he could watch it, so what makes you think I would dish out money for some halfbaked service?

Think about all the revenue that would be lost if something like this were out. Well I shouldn'e be unfair to say revenue lost until they went ahead and spent money on a losing idea, ut what makes you think anyone would be quick to jump on this idea. When you start cluttering products with too much tech it becomes unhip after the idea is launched most of the times, and judging by a huge majority of people who still don't know where the any key is, try explaining this technology to them. Remember they don't even know where the any key is, and they're likely to be your number one consumer.

Re:snap back to reality (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817088)

One more time, I'm not advocating expiring downloads, I think that is the worst they could do, they need to let you permanently but them.

Camcorder Law (5, Insightful)

Adolatra (557735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816938)

Am I the only one who was a little miffed at reading the offhand statement that it is now illegal to carry a camcorder in a movie theater? Is there any reason the movie distributors couldn't have just used their clout with the theaters to get them to crack down themselves on bootleggers? Why is a state law necessary? Seems to me policemen have much better things to do than try and help a private establishment such as a theater enforce its own house rules.

Re:Camcorder Law (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816975)

The scope of the "house rules" preventing individuals from bringing along camcorders stretches farther than the individual theater. We can easily imagine a renegade theater allowing camcorders and thus serving as a supplier for hordes of so-called pirates. Arguably the movie industry believes that individual theaters should not be able to make this call.

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

Adolatra (557735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816983)

The scope of the "house rules" preventing individuals from bringing along camcorders stretches farther than the individual theater. We can easily imagine a renegade theater allowing camcorders and thus serving as a supplier for hordes of so-called pirates. Arguably the movie industry believes that individual theaters should not be able to make this call.

But even then, the movie industry could easily yank the leash back on any "renegade theater" by simply refusing to supply them with new movies. It's quite possible for this to be handled without wasting tax money. Damn lobbyists.

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

h00pla (532294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816986)

We can easily imagine a renegade theater allowing camcorders

Well, I can't easily imagine it. I think it's a bit of a stretch. I'm with the parent posting. I think law enforcement has better things to do that this.

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

XO (250276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816982)

Well, even though a movie theater is a private establishment, who can say "no camcorders allowed" and then just boot people out, calling it trespassing because you've violated your "license" to use their premises, if you enter with a camcorder...

There are some people who just won't take that. They will blow up, and get all nasty, and then try to sue the movie theater, or whatever.

I can't even IMAGINE bringing a camcorder into a movie theater. I already thought it wasn't legal... as it is, it's obviously theft..

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

sjwt (161428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816996)

rembere,
bring the camcorder in isnt theft..
its recording the moive that is.

Re:Camcorder Law (5, Insightful)

ratamacue (593855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817041)

Why is a state law necessary?

Simple: Because it expands the cost and scope of government. As government gets bigger and more powerful, the people who control government increasingly view their roles not as protectors of individual rights, but as business executives whose purpose is to increase revenue and expand market share.

This is just another example of pork barrel politics: expansions of government designed to further empower the people who control government, at the necessary expense of the people.

Re:Camcorder Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817084)

Oh, yeah, the MAN is really coming down hard on you because you can't get your 0-day screener of Lord of the Rings: Hobbit Sex For All. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

phatsharpie (674132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817064)

I would assume that the lobbyists (or MPAA) wanted to make sure that people who pirate movies using a camcorder would receive a legal penalty rather than just being (probably politely) asked to leave an establishment.

I don't think pirating from US theaters are so rampant that a law would actually need to be passed, but then again, I don't have the statistics. Besides, if you're sitting next to someone obviously recording what's on the screen (and assuming the camcorder is annoying you/distracting you from the film), wouldn't you just go and inform the usher/manager/whoever?

-B

Re:Camcorder Law (1)

runfaster (687790) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817115)

Why would you ever legitimately need a camcorder in a movie theater? Unless your kid is taking her first steps during Terminator 3, I don't see the point. Now, it makes sense to be worried about gov't prohibiting things, even if you don't do them yourself, but in this instance, there's pretty much only one reason to be taking a camcorder into a movie theater, and currently, that will violate laws. This seems akin to me (on a much less dramatic scale) to outlawing actions that will nearly certainly lead to a crime. Sure, you *might* not turn on your camcorder to bootleg movies, but you almost certainly will. I don't understand why outlawing (on a state level) something that can pretty much only be used to commit a crime...

Gentle ? (0, Redundant)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816939)

MPAA: I'll gently shove this rod up your ass until you agree not to copy anymore movies.
Then I'll kiss your ouchie !

Irony ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816944)

I'm reading this Slashdot article on movie piracy as I'm downloading the new LoTR movie using BitTorrent.

Re:Irony ? (1)

chamenos (541447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817010)

i've already received two warning letters from my ISP due to abuse complaints from both baytsp which was mentioned in the article and univerisal city studios productions about me sharing movies on bit torrent, so you might want to be more careful.

Re:Irony ? (5, Informative)

chamenos (541447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817018)

oh and just to add on, i'll include an extract from the email universal studios productions sent to my ISP (which was forwarded to me when my ISP emailed me regarding the complaint):

"This unauthorized copying and distribution constitutes copyright infringement under applicable national laws and international treaties. Although various legal and equitable remedies may be available to Universal as a result of such infringement, Universal believes that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal"

seems pretty fair to me.

Re:Irony ? (1)

weeboo0104 (644849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817043)

...about me sharing movies on bit torrent

Sorry, I have to ask. Where is the .torrent link??? ;-)

man that's fast (3, Interesting)

ejaw5 (570071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816948)

The movie industry, by comparison, estimates that it has at least 18 months before high-speed Internet access and high-capacity hard drives make grabbing a movie almost as quick and easy as grabbing a song.

Do they mean there will come a day when one can download a 700MB Linux iso in less than 5 minutes? If my math is correct that's a 2333.3 kbps download speed!

Re:man that's fast (2, Insightful)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816959)

2 Mbps is not all that much nowadays. I am sure it won't be that long before commercial broadband offers this sort of download rate.

K

Re:man that's fast (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816988)

700MB in 5 minutes = 2.3 megabytes/sec
Speed offered by broadband = ~2 megabits/sec

1 byte = 8 bits.

You figure it out.

Re:man that's fast (1)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817009)

Aah yes, the inevitable "kbps" versus "KBps" versus "KB/s" confusion. Nevertheless, a factor of 8 is only a matter of time, at least for broadband in certain areas (like inner cities). Perhaps 18 months is a little optimistic, but ~16 megabits broadband can't be too far off.

K

Re:man that's fast (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817098)

Aah yes, the inevitable "kbps" versus "KBps" versus "KB/s" confusion. Nevertheless, a factor of 8 is only a matter of time, at least for broadband in certain areas (like inner cities). Perhaps 18 months is a little optimistic, but ~16 megabits broadband can't be too far off.

According to Moore's law, if you assume it applies to networks as well as computers, that should happen in 54 months (4 1/2 years) so it's not exactly tomorrow.

Re:man that's fast (1)

ELiTeUI (591102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817001)

fix your math. thats 2,333,333.33333 KBytes/sec which equals 18,666,666.66666666 Kbits/sec, which is 18.67 Mbits/sec.

2Mbits/sec is currently a common download speed, as you say, but I think that 20Mbits/sec download speeds are still quite a ways off.


ELiTeUI

Re:man that's fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817068)

You mean fix grandparent's math? The kbps was clearly written with lowercase b.

Re:man that's fast (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817002)

make grabbing a movie almost as quick and easy as grabbing a song

everything is relative

Re:man that's fast (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817006)

In january I'm getting a 10 mbit (10000 kbps) line installed here at home. It's about 70$ a month here in Norway (not available everywhere yet) with no download/upload restrictions. That means 700MB downloaded in 9 minutes and 20 seconds.


Also one company is starting to offer 100 mbit lines for private consumers in Sweden. Though with a 300GB/month download cap (!).


So, the bandwidth that is needed is here already. At least in Scandinavia. :)

A threat is a threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816950)

Better an unreasonable and forthright threat than a wily and cunning one. At least you know immediately what you get. People are all for instant gratification, you know? That's why McDonald's became an international brand.

No shit (4, Insightful)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816957)

'The movie industry, he said, has to ask itself what the music industry should have asked years ago: 'Why do they want to steal from us?' The answer, he said, is simple: 'Because you won't sell them what they want.'

Gee, who'd'a' thunkit?? We're looking for music we can play on our pc's, our stereos, in our cars, on our little mp3 players. We're looking for movies that will play in similar devices, some more portable than others. Limiting access to a shitty little scratched up disc that only cost the companies $0.05 to make for $17 a pop is rape, plain and simple, especially when you consider there's one good song on an album and 12 other terrible songs. Sell me a song I like for $0.50 and I'm a happy camper! Let me use that song in any way I see fit (as long as I'm not trading it around like a joint at a frat party) and I'm certain the RIAA/MPAA can make a buck and keep their customers from thieving their works.

Re:No shit (2, Funny)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816991)

Let me use that song in any way I see fit (as long as I'm not trading it around like a joint at a frat party) and I'm certain the RIAA/MPAA can make a buck and keep their customers from thieving their works.
I don't get it. When we were kids we were told to share our toys and stuff. We were taught about not being selfish and stuff. And now they're telling us we shouldn't share?
Could those grownups please make their minds up.

Re:No shit (2, Insightful)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817015)

Limiting access to a shitty little scratched up disc that only cost the companies $0.05 to make for $17 a pop is rape, plain and simple

Listen, if you want a big supply of 'shitty little discs' really cheap, I'll sell you as many as you want for $0.25 a disc.

Wait - you wanted music on them?

Re:No shit (1)

SeXy_Red (550409) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817032)

You forgot to add the ""

More important . . . . (5, Insightful)

dhowells (251561) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816963)

More important than being able to buy what is currently the hottest shit like LoTR, is in my opinion having access to a whole load of old and `out of print' movies, continental film, television archives, etc.

Im sure that such a thing could be implemented easily and would reflect very well on the industry from an academic and cultural point of view.

Dom

Re:More important . . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816999)

While this is a cool idea I think that the problem lies with lotr etc. because thats the britney of movies. Am i right if i think that the studio loses more money from piracy of new films than old ones?

Re:More important . . . . (5, Interesting)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817058)

What I want is content providers like Cartoon Network to sell me single episodes, or entire series of TV shows over the web.

I would be MORE than willing to part with a couple of bucks an episode if CT could let me download every Samurai Jack episode, or every ATHF episode in a format I can either watch on my PC, via my PC, or have the option to burn to a CD or DVD to watch with my DVD player.

Hear that content providers? As Samurai Jack currently stands, I'm willing to give you $100 right here and now. But alas, you seemingly don't want my money.

Re:More important . . . . (2, Interesting)

phatsharpie (674132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817081)

I would love to be able to get access to old and out of print "cult" films. Like old and forgotten slasher films from the late 70's and early 80's. Most are no longer available on VHS, much less DVD!

Same thing with music download. There are so many out of print remixes of songs that I wish I can get access to. Unfortunately, I've only seen them available on P2P networks and not on legal download sources like iTunes.

-B

Don't be a leech: download and share (2, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816965)

Jeff also says that he does not make his own trove of movies available to the world as readily. "I just watch them and delete them instead of leaving it out there," he said. "I don't leave the network on 24 hours a day the way I used to."

But Davis, the former song trader, has changed his habits. He dusted off his turntable, bought a new needle and started haunting the bargain vinyl bins in junk shops, where he has discovered some treasures for a dollar a record.

"I'm really very excited about it,'' he said, "because there isn't much new to buy out there, is there?"

Jeff's being a leech here. This is the sort of attitude of users that's bad for P2P networks and even the internet. If you download files off P2P networks, you should consider it your moral duty to give back to the network too. If you don't want to give back to the network, don't download either.

Davis, on the other hand, is on the right track. If you don't want to download music off P2P networks, and support the RIAA, go for old music/second hand CDs. IMHO, even if you buy from iTunes/etc in one breath and curse the RIAA and the shit it churns out in the next, you're being a hypocrite.

Re:Don't be a leech: download and share (1)

phatsharpie (674132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817091)

At least in Canada, it is legal to download music (thanks to the MP3 tax), but illegal to upload music. So I guess if you want to keep your immune from legal issues, you wouldn't share.

Sucks I know, but so are law suits.

-B

Good To See (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7816966)

It's always funny to see how slashdot editors and most of the readers decry the MPAA/RIAA tactics of protecting their Intellectual Property rights, yet condone piracy/copyright infringement with nothing worse than a smile.

People get modded +5 for linking to torrents of copyright works, for posting verbatim someone else's writings, and it's all good here.

It's really no different than those wishy washy peaceniks who declared that they didn't care if the US defeated Saddam. Well, there IS right and wrong, good and evil. We have to recognize it, before we mock those who fight for good!

The MPAA/RIAA fight for good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817132)

eat a dick cretin

Why we "steal" (5, Insightful)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816968)

...because we don't want to pay money to see a movie that may or may not be crap. I only ever buy DVDs once I have already seen the movie and decide it's worth buying, and most downloads I delete after viewing without redistribution.

Offering free previews (perhaps in reduced quality, but watchable) and an easy option to follow up with a DVD purchase may be the way to go.

K

Read a review. (1)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817004)

Seriously. It's not that hard to work out a system where you can work out whether a film is worth your time.

What you're saying is that you want a system that allows you to watch a file for free and then lets you pay if you want to. Where do you set your bar? It seems to me you're ending up watching a whole load of films for free.

Re:Read a review. (2, Insightful)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817030)

What you're saying is that you want a system that allows you to watch a file for free and then lets you pay if you want to. Where do you set your bar? It seems to me you're ending up watching a whole load of films for free.
There is one. It's called television. It works very well as a preview system, allowing people to watch films for free and then pay if they want to for a much better quality version with optional extras.

Offering free preview downloads would be a simple extension of the television broadcasting concept, with the added bonus that viewers could choose what they wanted to watch (and hence be exposed to more films that they might possibly want to buy). It's a winner all round.

K

Most reviews suck... (1)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817033)

Would you trust a review of say LotR written by this person? [nytimes.com]

Re:Why we "steal" (1, Insightful)

USAPatriot (730422) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817040)

Offering free previews (perhaps in reduced quality, but watchable) and an easy option to follow up with a DVD purchase may be the way to go.

That option, though not free(TINSTAAFL) has been here for over 20 years. It's called rentals. You know, blockbuster, netflix, etc.??

Stealing is stealing, even if you "delete" them later. You've already obtained something that you have paid for.

Re:Why we "steal" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817070)

because we don't want to pay

That's all you had to say, because that's damn sure what you meant.

Re:Why we "steal" (1)

IcePop456 (575711) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817087)

Although I fundamentally agree with you, I cannot stand to watch a movie that has been compressed to death. I can be very picky when it comes to the picture and sound quality. Flaws stand out to me and become a distraction.

One thing the movie industry has going for it is that after box office sales, the movie itself is usually paid off. So, there is no reason they cannot make dowloads extremely cheap. No media to print at all. Other than high bandwidth and servers, their costs would be minimal.

Blockbuster and other rental places would obviously object. Therefore, I wouldn't expect a movie to available for download legally until a few weeks after the rental release.

They should focus on delivering, cheap, high quality downloads. Then, go after the illegal downloaders. The music and movie industries waste way too much money on encryption that can ALWAYS be cracked. Is a month of security (time before it is cracked) worth investment to develop it?

Gentle threats won't work... (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816979)

Lawsuits do. Lot's of them. Fear of financial ruin and possible incarceration are effective deterrents against copyright infringement and theft. The people I know who jack movies and music off the net will never, EVER pay unless it's convenient, or they're scared into doing so.

Sad but true.

Re:Gentle threats won't work... (1)

cantabrigian (689418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817062)

Is this, then, the end of an era? By the time that third-generation (anonymizing) P2P filesharing networks emerge on the scene, will people have been so whipped that they will no longer be interested in sharing files at all?

Re:Gentle threats won't work... (1)

stwrtpj (518864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817118)

Fear of financial ruin and possible incarceration are effective deterrents against copyright infringement and theft.

It's also a great deterrent against paying customers. There will be some people that, after having suffered at the hands of the industry in the very way you describe, are unlikely going to give that same industry any more money. Remember that most people being sued are being sued for sharing files, not downloading them. Many of those people attacked by these lawsuits will continue downloading but just won't share their files anymore.

Enforcing decent behavior in theatres (4, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7816990)

Maybe people wouldn't steal movies so much if cell phones, morons, etc didn't keep making noise in the theater, despite nearly 50 years of attempts to thwart their annoyance... there is nothing more annoying than paying $17 and being annoyed on a date.

TV is threatened my video piracy not movies (1)

secondsun (195377) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817000)

I don't download movies and (until mp3.com died) didn't download music from p2p netowkrs. TV shows on the other hand are usually filling my harddrives at massive rates. It isn't the movie studios that have to worry but pay per view channels and premium channels like Showtime that are in trouble. Of course TV shows are much easier to justify, I could have watched it, or already have seen it and thus could have recorded it and encoded it and editing out the commercials for myself.

Arg! (5, Informative)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817011)

Copying is *NOT* stealing! It's "Copying". I've copied all my DVDs to computer to make it easier to watch them and keep the origial DVDs safe. Does that make me a thief? Nope. If I walked into a library or video store and stole a DVD or VHS then that is theft.

It's quite simple, you'd think they'd get it right more often.

Re:Arg! (1)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817050)

In Norway, it is not illegal to make security copies of DVDs and CDs that you own. It was one of the points made in the DVD-Jon case.

If The Industry doesn't want me making security copies, then they shall provide them. If my CD or DVD got damaged, they should replace them for free. If I want a copy for the flat and one for the car and one for the gym, I should get these for free, as long as I paid for the first one. I really don't get why it would be such a big deal, except I'm not a greedy, unethical weasel. So I guess it's something I'll never understand.

Until The Industry gets rid of their "everyone has to buy several of the same thing if they're going to use them different places" mentality (among the many sick mindsets they need to get rid of), "stealing" will continue.

Re:Arg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817061)

why would they want to get it right? By using theft, the undeducated masses will see theft and use copying and theft interchangably

Re:Arg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817096)

Oh come on, the instruction used in the process is clearly labeled as MOV. Does that sound to you like it would in fact make copies?

movie downloads (1)

dancox1953 (734607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817017)

I'm curious....about how long would it take to download the average movie on a good cable connection.

Re:movie downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817077)

depends on the source.

usually 4-8 hours.

Re:movie downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817083)

about 45 minutes to an hour on a good day

Re:movie downloads (1)

alienhazard (660628) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817092)

if you get a good dl rate like 120k/s it'll take about 2 hours, but due to the nature of p2p apps it may take overnight or a whole day. atleast, thats my experience.

Re:movie downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817116)

At 1Mbit/s ~= 100Kbyte/s, about 7000s ~= 2h per CD. Multiply/divide by up to 10 depending on random variables.

Wow! Nothing's changed! (5, Insightful)

D. Book (534411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817019)

How about picking submissions that aren't so misleading?

The article reports that the MPAA sends hundreds of thousands of e-mails and letters to movie sharers, threatening to track them down and serve them with lawsuits. And that, by their own standards, has been 85% effective in scaring off the sharers.

They might not be launching high-publicity lawsuits yet, but the RIAA's actions have put the fear of God into many sharers, and the MPAA is taking advantage of this. Let the RIAA suffer the negative publicity while riding on the back of the credibility it lends to their own threats.

As for the "Because you won't sell them what they want." quote, it comes straight from some sharing-network monitoring company which, based on the information at their own website, hardly represents the views of the movie industry.

So where is the "wow" in this story?

Re:Wow! Nothing's changed! (1)

hughesjr (734512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817082)

Yes, but most of the letters they (MPAA) send are reguarding files that are posted directly for download on a website via anonymous FTP or http ... not p2p files. The MPAA (and movies in general) are musc better than the record companies. You can buy MOST new-release movies for between $15 and $25 USD (some as low as $9.99)...and there is much better content on those than the normal downloads (extra sceenes, director/actor comments, etc.). Renting the movies is $4.00 bucks (to get the extra content), and a blank DVD is between $1-2 so it costs $6.00 to copy (and a couple hours time) and $10-20 to buy ... so I mostly buy ... Now take the record industry ... still trying to charge $15.00 for a CD ... not alot of extra content....only 10 songs per CD when 17-20 will fit ... a blank cd is $0.25, can hold $30.00 of songs and takes 20 minutes to burn. The Record industry needs to learn from the movie industry....

Well, *almost* right... (2, Informative)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817029)

'The movie industry, he said, has to ask itself what the music industry should have asked years ago: 'Why do they want to steal from us?' The answer, he said, is simple: 'Because you won't sell them what they want.'

It's not that we don't want what they sell, it's that they over-inflate the crap out of their products pricing and they're not fooling anybody. Anyway...

Oh really? (5, Insightful)

NetDanzr (619387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817031)

Because you won't sell them what they want.

Nice that the MPAA acknowledges the problem. Too bad that some members still don't do anything to remedy this situation. They still didn't give me what I wanted:

  • Non-censored movies. For me, there's only two ways to obtain a movie, such as Blade Runner or Basic Instinct that has not been censored: I can either buy an European version and crack my DVD player to play all regions (oh no! The DMCA hounds are after me!), or I can download them.
  • Unavailable movies. Some movies, such as one of my favorites, 1492 - Conquest of Paradise are not available in Region 1 at all. Once again, my options are limited to getting the Region 2 version and crack my DVD player or download it.
  • Forced features. Dear Disney. I'm not interested in five minutes of previews that you force down my throat, preventing me from skipping them. And no, I don't feel like ripping the DVD myself; it's much more comfortable for me to download and burn the movie. Lucky for you, Disney, I still have the courtesy to download only movies thet I unwisely purchased from you.

Two points: (2, Interesting)

billsf (34378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817034)

They tried to use the DCMA and found out the law is as bankrupt as anyone suspected. They also learned that US law stops at the US boarder and that people mad enough can sue in US court for violation of US laws that apply to them as a US business.

It should also be realised that unless you have some sort of Internet connection it can take days as opposed to a couple minutes to download a mpeg4 encoded CD of about 730MB. Even "less than" ADSL connections and cable connections can take several hours to days as opposed to minutes. For the time, the size of their product is on their side.

For the bajillionth time... (0, Redundant)

NoData (9132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817038)


Why do they want to steal from us?

The MPAA isn't going to do right by consumers unless we all start with the same premises. And though
I know this has been done to death on /. , perpetuating this blatant fallacy that copyright infringement is theft make any consideration on their part a non-starter.

Simple solution for stopping the MPAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817039)

STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLES!

It really is that simple, people...

Dear Tim, (0, Troll)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817042)

STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE.

Sincerely,
Tom St Denis

lameness filter....lameness filter....

Quoet of the Day (0, Troll)

Lonath (249354) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817052)

"In the end, if people are stealing your stuff," Kocher said, "the technology has failed."

Remember folx, they want to make computers illegal. If you have computers, you can steal their stuff, so that's a failure of technology. Technology will be a failure until you can't use it to steal content. That will only happen once computers are illegal. Don't give them money ever again. They're just as evil as the music industry. But also don't steal their stuff. I want to see ROTK and TTT. Have I? Nope. I won't give them money and I won't steal.. (And plz don't chime in with that little "copyright infringment != stealing" "argument". I know it's not the same using big legally technical words, but it is the same in that you get to use things ithout paying for them when you should pay for them. Splitting hairs makes it look like you're trying to get away with something. And I figured out that pirating is stealing a long time before I ever heard of the RIAA or MPAA.).

I heard from someone who works at the FCC that currently they're trying to put watermarking tech into all consumer AD converters so those AD converters won't record protected content. Of course, commercial AD converters won't have these restrictions, but that's because everyone's equal, but some people (the powerful people) are more equal than others. So let's assume that they get away with this AD watermarking. What happens on Christmas when little Susie gets up on her own two feet for the first time and takes her first steps toward Daddy who's holding a little dolly as her Christmas present. Whoops.Forgot to turn off the stereo playing that protected content, I guess the watermarking will prevent the crippled camera from recording the sounds. Whoops, little Susie walked in front of a TV that someone left on. Guess the picture will cut out because we can't have people recording protected content, can we? Anyway, plz don't give them money, and plz don't steal.

Pirating movies makes a lot less sense... (5, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817056)

1. They're bigger, and with HDTV they're likely to become even bigger still. DVD players in general don't play DivX content, and full DVDs are many gb each. Of course, this reason is fading, but is still strong.
2. Errors/corrupt downloads are much more annoying. I.e. you'd likely only see the movie once or twice, while you might listen to a CD track 100 times. Checking it once takes a lot more time, relatively. Still, integrity checking is improving.
3. They're "one product". Unlike albums with single tracks, you don't get a bunch of crap you don't want thrown in.
4. Typically you have only one device where you like to play DVD movies. As for music, you'd like them on your computer, home stereo, portable player, car player etc etc. Which makes it fairly OK to have just one copy in form of the original disc.
5. They're relatively low priced. If you look at it cost-efficiently, it's smarter to download mp3s/warez/gamez and buy DVDs than the other way around.
6. You really don't mind spending one minute to put in a DVD to watch several hours of entertainment, but you do mind doing the same to listen to that 3 minute melody you suddenly *had* to hear.

Personally, the one thing I hate about DVDs is region coding. It's quite simply an abuse of copyright protection to enforce artifical market barriers and price gouging. Stuff like that is what can be their undoing, if they try to really enforce those (I think everywhere but the US multi-region players are common now).

Kjella

Certainly anti-american (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817063)

If Iran really belongs to the axis of evil, wouldn't it be the right time to infiltrate that country now?

Instead america offers them money and help that they certainly spend on more WMD's.

You may mod this down. But at least one person will read this and think about it.

What? MovieLink? (1)

macmaxbh (679230) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817072)

"Current attempts to sell movies online, like the industry-sponsored Movielink, are still limited in selection and ease of use. But Valenti, the movie industry's powerful lobbyist in Washington, said the problems were temporary."
Put MOVIELINK up as an example? You mean the Windows-only site that even blames Apple as the reason there isn't a Mac Movielink, even though there would be no problem if Microsoft gave Mac users a version of WMP with DRM that was actually recent..
If this is the best of the industry's tries, they're doomed. I agree with other posters, there needs to be a site like iTunes for movie files.

I have downloaded full movies, but I also asked for all those movies on DVD for Christmas, and gotten several of them. I find viewing movies on my computer convienient, and I can do it anytime I want, instead of digging through my family's piles of VCR tapes to find a horribly-degraded copy.

I've even downloaded Two Towers during the period between the movie theatres showing it and the DVD--I wanted my TTT fix, so I downloaded it. Did I still buy both the theatrical and extended editions? Yes. Did I do the same for FoTR and will do the same for RoTK? Yes.

The movie industry (even though they're taking the first steps) needs to think of how to rectify the cause, rather then just responding to the effect.
Okay, I'll stop ranting now...

This is still apples and oranges (4, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817074)

This shouldn't be compared with the RIAA as much. Downloading mp3's and burning them to a cd gives you a product that is hardly distinguishable from the real deal. But comparing a divx movie to a DVD is like comparing a hyundai to a lexus. You can say they both get the job done but we all know that the lexus is going to do it better. Divx movies are pretty bad quality compared to a DVD. MP3's are just a few megs which can be downloaded in a minute over a reletively fast connection. It can take hours on a fast cable modem to download a movie. Storage is another consideration. If you download a movie that will fit on one cd it will look like shit. Or you can break it into two cds and you have to change it halfway through the movie. Either way, it's a hassel. The movie industry knows it does not face the same problems as the music industry because it's product can't be recreated as easily.

Now I have some movies on my hard drive and I only have them on there until I decide I want to cough up the $20 for a DVD. I have thousands of MP3s and I can hardly distinguish them from the cds I have sitting in a pile to my right. But in both cases, they're not shared on the internet.

Downloading movies off kazaa is certainly no fun. I'd be lucky if I can find the movie I want and if I set it up when I go to sleep and I'll have it in the morning. I've had good luck with bit torrent for downloading large files (not movies) so I'll have to try that later.

Anyway, computers have become high tech stereos, but they're not high tech televisions and they won't be for at least a few more years. The movie industry has a few years to figure out how to "handle" the internet.

why else? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7817089)

I think the proper answer to the question "Why would they want to steal from us" is more along the lines of "Because why pay for something you can get for free" I don't think it takes a genious to figure that one out.

Illegal to use a camcorder in a movie theater?! (2, Interesting)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817105)

From the story:
"At the industry's urging, for example, California recently passed a law making it illegal to use a camcorder in a movie theater."
I assume I'm not the only one who sees how disturbing and utterly useless this is?

Why should the industry be able to push through nonsensical laws such as this? It is yet another defeat in the battle for the rights of the consumer.

For one, this won't help prevent movie piracy at all. TeleSync releases are not generally recorded in crowded movie theaters. Instead, they use empty theaters and plug the camera directly into the sound source. If they didn't, you would hear all kinds of weird noises and heads moving in front of the screen, etc.

This law is not only completely useless in that it won't help battle piracy at all, it proves that corporate interests are pushed with blatant disregard of consumer rights and basic knowledge about these things.

Camcorders banned from art museum (3, Insightful)

rollingcalf (605357) | more than 10 years ago | (#7817120)

I went to an art museum this summer, and they banned camcorders and digital cameras, but allowed regular film cameras. Why? All the paintings there were over 80 years old and the artists are dead, so none of it was copyrighted anymore. And you can use a scanner to digitize an analog picture.

What do they expect to gain by doing that?
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