Laser Printing Without the Hassles? 128
yeremein asks: "After yet another black ink cartridge has fizzled out, I've decided that it's time to stop giving money to a known DMCA abuser and buy a new printer. Since I'm fed up with the clogged jets and drifting print head misalignment, not to mention the exorbitant cost of ink cartridges, I'd like to go with a laser printer this time around. It doesn't have to be a high duty cycle one, since it's for home use and I only print maybe 100 pages per month. And black only is fine. Any suggestions for an inexpensive laser that is Linux friendly, and does not employ any 'smart chip' technology that would prevent the toner cartridge from being refilled or cause it to 'expire' and stop working at a certain date regardless of the toner level?"
No hassles (Score:3, Funny)
Re:No hassles (Score:4, Funny)
Re:No hassles (Score:2)
Samsung 1710 or 1750 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Samsung 1710 or 1750 (Score:2)
Re:Samsung 1710 or 1750 (Score:3, Informative)
There are cheapy little pads you can buy that are supposed to "fix" this issue but they can cause more problems then they fix. The replacement rollers which are supposed to resolve the issue from HP doesn't work and still need replaced on very frequent basis.
A good laserjet 3 is probably a better choice, granted it's the
Re:Samsung 1710 or 1750 (Score:2)
As for the 4100, we've had some problems with toner leakage on them (toner ends up all over the fuser after about 5,000 pages), so watch your pages.
Re:Samsung 1710 or 1750 (Score:2)
The free HP repair kit is a one time thing if you have the documentation to satisfy their requirements, it's available to first hand owners only for one thing. The printers typical need that same kit literally a dozen times over their lifetime.
Samsung (Score:5, Informative)
I've had one for almost a year and it's still running great.. Even under Linux using the foomatic Samsung 4500 drivers.
Re:Samsung (Score:2)
Re:Samsung (Score:2, Informative)
The only downfall I found was the manual feed slot. The pages don't always pull in evenly and crumple one of the corners. Adding the page to the top of the tray resolves this problem. Also, I can't get envelopes to go through properly so I use labels instead.
This model
Samsung 1710 (Score:2)
Re:Samsung (Score:2)
A used HP Laserjet (Score:4, Informative)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:1)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
The other big advantage to buying vintage HP is that IBM, Xerox and others actually manufacture their own 3rd party toner cartridges, so if you ever need to buy new toner (unlikely at home), it's cheap.
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
On the other hand, the Canon Perso
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Actually, come to think of it, there IS one printer that could beat an LJ1 on text files, back in the day. I used to sell NEC Spinwriters, they could often beat a Laser when you had documents that
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Not at all. I used to use a PS laser with Wordstar 5 (DOS), printing mainly in Courier and occasionally Times for my faxes and such. Very simple and fast. I could also incorporate the letterhead in the page with a single code in the header to include an EPS file.
That wouldn't have justified the extra expense of PS, but I needed it for DTP as well.
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
A postscript page of text, if it uses one of the fonts already in printer ROM, can be 20k or less. But if it's rasterised to PCL it's basically a single bitmap of about 1 MB (at 300 dpi -- for 600 dpi 4 MB), and PS is mostly resolution independent. So just sending the file to the printer takes much longer. You can use a font downloader to make any PS font resident in
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:5, Informative)
And NEVER plug a laser printer into any setup with a UPS invloved, they draw way too much juice while printing and can easily overload the UPS.
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:5, Insightful)
When was the last time the power went out, and you thought 'hey... i wish i had printed out that thing i was working on, so i could read it in the dark'?
Seriously, if you get a UPS, you should only plug the stuff you need to stay on for a little bit longer into it.
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
When I was untangling cords, I accidentally plugged my LaserJet 4050TN into my little UPS instead of my computer. The power switch on the printer was on, and the UPS lasted slightly less than a second... Made a cool noise too!
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
I have an Apple LW 630. There's a mouse loose in the area (thanks to the cat for bringing it in live to play with) and more than once it has nested in the (powered off) paper tray. Seems there's a hole in the back of the paper tray where the mouse could get in when the paper tray was nearly empty. Apparently when I turned on the printer, I scared the mouse, so I got a nice yellow stain on the top three or four sheets. T
Re:A used HP Laserjet (Score:2)
I have an Apple LW 630. There's a mouse loose
Geckos like to get into my laser.
HP LaserJet (Score:3, Informative)
It's been very reliable and we haven't changed toner in about 2 years. Of course, we don't print that much.
They have 3 printers priced at $200, $400, and $600, information is here. [hp.com]
Re:HP LaserJet (Score:5, Informative)
It's just starting to have some problems with the paperfeed though, occasionally pulling several sheets of paper through at a time (successfully I might add!). And that's another thing about HPs; when they actually do jam you very seldom have any problems getting the paper out, you can usually pretty much expose the entire paper path by flipping the lid and removing the cartridge. I'm actually kind of sad to see it failing because it's served me that well, so I'll definately be getting another HP laser to replace it. The big question for me is whether or not to go colour...
Re:HP LaserJet (Score:2)
Re:HP LaserJet (Score:5, Informative)
Re:HP LaserJet (Score:2)
HP's kit is just a "patch" really. The real fix is to buy a new seperation pad and pick up roller.
Lawsuit page. [young-america.com]
Samsung (Score:2)
Samsung (Score:2)
Re:Samsung (Score:2)
(With Red Hat 7 I needed Samsung's special Ghostscript)
HP LasterJet II (Score:4, Interesting)
Just shows Error 50 now though and has been retired to the attic. The things are tanks though. It's gotta be 50 pounds. It's kinda like an IBM XT case.
Much better than the current crop of HP printers in my opinion. We use the 4400s at the office, and they're ok, but the speed isn't any better and the increased resolution isn't a big deal for text. But they start reading "low toner" 3 weeks after a new cartridge is put in though, even though they'll last for 6 months after that warning first shows up. A little suspicious.
You must have some serious network problems.. (Score:2)
Re:You must have some serious network problems.. (Score:2, Funny)
To get from my machine to the printer, which is about 20 feet away, I end up going through three 4-port hubs, and one 16-port hub. The 16-port is also hooked to another 32-port hub.
Printing a large document takes down the network.
Re:You must have some serious network problems.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:You must have some serious network problems.. (Score:2)
the network was already setup this way when I started at this place and I have no control over it.
It sounds like he knows why it's bad and just is not in a position to make a change. I totally disagree, with your:
People like you should not be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR a network.
Either you misread his post, or are a dumbass who shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR posting on Slashdot.
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/kka3.html
And as you said, the HPs of that vintage were built like tanks and last seemingly forever.
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:2, Informative)
You can replace the blown traic on the AC module for a lot less (I think I paid about $5 for the part). Just use an NTE generic replacement. Also, put a larger heat sink on it.
I think you can find details using google groups on sci.electronic.repair
Re:HP LaserJet II (Score:2)
Re:HP LaserJet II (Score:2)
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:1)
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:2)
In general, older printers are great values. Even
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:2)
At the office, we have an HP 4100 printer, and it is much less stable. Some postscript jobs crash the whole printer, including the network server, needing a full reboot. It seems HP does not build its printers like it used to :-)
One thing I recommend if you a
Re:HP LasterJet II (Score:2)
This makes printing anything other than plain (ASCII) text a process best measured in minutes-per-page, as everything else gets sent to the machine as a huge bitmapped graphic. No vectors=no scalable text=(agony+pain).
If you're printing in Wordperfect 4.2 under DOS, you'll find that it's quite fast. With any modern system, it's horrible. Especially with Ghostscript.
Don't bother with one unless it's free, or yo
HP LaserJet (Score:5, Informative)
Re:HP LaserJet (Score:4, Informative)
Jason
Two HP Caveats (Score:2)
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Re:Two HP Caveats (Score:2)
Current HP management thinks that "reputation" is just another word for "good branding".
Cost per page (Score:2)
I think you've confused.... (Score:2)
Re:Cost per page (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Cost per page (Score:2)
cost per page for inkjet printers vs. laser
This MacWorld article [macworld.com] discusses the costs. Basically, lasers cost 3-4 cents per page, inkjets 5-10 cents (black only).
Re:Cost per page (Score:3, Informative)
A member of our IT department did a report on exactly this about a year ago. I don't have the report with me, but I can dig up details if required. The laser printers we evaluated were high-end workgroup printers and we took all costs into consideration (initial investment, rollers, maintenance kits, labor (whether we have an in-house technician or contract out the maintenance)).
We also used more realistic estimates on toner
Re:Cost per page (Score:2)
Re:Cost per page (Score:2)
postscript is your friend (Score:2)
Re:postscript is your friend (Score:3, Interesting)
The only real solution I have found is to feed one page at
Re:postscript is your friend (Score:2)
HP Again (Score:1)
Brother HL series (Score:1)
Re:Brother HL series (Score:2)
My experience of Brother printers is that they are rock solid, dependable, and worth buying. Just don't buy a winprinter.
HP LaserJet (Score:1)
I would recommend an HP LaserJet.
I bought a new HP LaserJet IIP+ with a postscript cartridge and four megabytes of RAM in 1992. It cost me a small fortune, and I have never regretted it.
If you are a patient fellow, and can accept that something isn't brand new, then you may want to look for a used HP LaserJet online or in your local second-hand computer shops.
I just bought one (Score:2)
I bought a laser printer for home last week. I already have two inkjet printers at home but they suck.
This is the one I bought from local Bestbuy:
Samsung SCX-4016
It lists at about $280 with $ 70 mail in rebate. I paid only 250 for open box buy. With mail-in-rebate, it's a good price for a laser printer!!
I love it so far. Print quality is good. Though you have to set it to dark while printing in photo mode...
Best value for money I could find...
Simple (Score:4, Informative)
I do a lot of graphics printing on them, not as much text. Not sure how that translates to pages per month, but I can tell ya I'm well beyond several ink cartridges from my old inkjet.
I second this (HL1440) (Score:2)
HP's Laserjet 4 is what I would pick up second hand. Those things are like tanks and I'm sure they last for decades. Stay away from HP's Laserjet 5 (you feed the sheet in the top) as the one's I've seen always wind up being nothing but trouble after a few months (stop picking up paper, jamming etc). I'm also less impresse
Re:Simple (Score:2)
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Re:HP Laserjet III (Score:2)
ASCII comes out nice and fast.
Brother HL-5040 (Score:2)
I searched for "OfficeMax coupons" on google and found a $30 off rebate deal + free shipping from a local store, and it cost me less than $200 after rebates. So far it's all good - just a satisifed customer, as they say.
Ebay (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Ebay (Score:2)
Anyway, note the one thing that all the highly recommended printers have in common: the mechanism is made by Canon. Canon made the carts and mechanisms for Apple Laser
Hey Asshat, try some grammer (Score:2)
-1, Retarded
Brother (Score:2)
Samsungs are cheap and linux ready ... (Score:4, Informative)
DMCA or not, I've been happy with my Lexmark E210, nicely Linux supported and (since I print little) still on its first cart. after 1.5 years
timothy
LaserJet 1300 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:LaserJet 1300 (Score:2, Interesting)
Did have an LJ4+, but it was causing the house to subside.
Tim
Lasers are built to last, inkjets are not (Score:5, Informative)
See subject.
Okay, it is a generalization, so you can find exceptions. However that should be your guide. There is no reason and old eBay laser printer can't work for years to come with only toner replacements. Slow, but only compared to modern lasers, what is your hurry at home?
Inkjets are generally disposable. For as little as I print, a inkjet would have to be replaced every time I wanted to printer. My laser (which I got used for almost nothing) should last for years. Unfortunatly you never know, I said the same thing about my last laser printer and it no longer works. However used they are cheap enough that you can afford a lemon, and breaks are rare enough that you are unlikely to get two lemons.
Inkjets are still good for color. If you demand the best color, I've seen cheap inkjets that come out on top when compared to $50,000 color printers (when compared to a pantone standard after an expert adjusted the expensive printer for that color sample!). Most of us do not need that level of abilities in color, and if you do there is probably a reason to get the epensive color printer anyway. Still something to consider if you need color.
Postscript is in theory better than PCL, but Ghostscript does an excellent job in the real world, and not all printers have postscript that is up to standards. (but in most cases it it either real postscript, or an older version of ghoscript, so you can't really go wrong) Don't worry too much about it, but if all else is equal prefer postscript.
One warning, laser printers do need a lot of power, prefer one with an automatic power saving mode, otherwise you will want to turn it off after each use.
Brother 1440 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Brother 1440 (Score:2)
Lexmarx Optra E+ (Score:2)
LaserJet 4si, for dependability and expandibility (Score:1)
Big plus: Expandible.
You can pop memory in there (up to 32 or so MB, if I'm not mistaken), I have a JetDirect ethernet card in mine, and you can even pick up a PostScript DIMM that fits in the first memory slot to p
Re:LaserJet 4si, for dependability and expandibili (Score:1)
I agree, it's an excellent printer, from the good old days when things were built to last, but honestly, you have it in your house? It's the size of a kitchen stove.
Brother, don't go Samsung (Score:2)
Re:Brother, don't go Samsung (Score:1)
The toner is nice and cheap too- CAD 80.
I couldn't beat them on price as well. I got the printer new for CAD 170.
So far I have done 2 rims of paper on the 1000 page rated 'starter' toner included with the printer and I am not seeing any graying yet.
hp laserjet (Score:1)
a bunch of toners at $10 each. I expect to be
printing postscript friendly for several years
before I need to worry about printing again.
The local government and educational units
have surplus sales that make it easy to live
cheaply a cycle or two behind the "latest" thing.
HP Laserjet 5MP (Score:2)
My toner would have lasted if I hadn't printed out about 5000 flyers a couple of years ago. I just kept changing paper the whole day, never concerned about the printer.
But don't take this as an endoresment for HP. The new printers suck. I supported about 30 of these until earlier this
Really do the math... (Score:1)
Copier people (nowadays a digital copier is scanner + printer) call this click cost - which is lowest for well-designed printers with long-life components. Drum life can vary greatly - one major cost factor.
Then check if the printer you have in mind is too slow (unlikely if it is
Postscript for sure, don't forget about ethernet (Score:3, Interesting)
Another point -- make sure you plan for an ethernet lpd style connection. Right now you might just have it hooked up to one machine, but long-term you will likely have 2 or more machines to print from and it's a lot cleaner to just have the printer 'on the network' than shared from another computer. Many printers have ethernet 10baseT or 100baseT ports as options, or as part of a slightly more expensive model. You can also get 3rd party connections as well, from companies like Lantronix or Castelle. Built-in ethernet is a lot faster for printing than an ethernet adapter plugged into a parallel port.
I finally bit the bullet and got an HP LaserJet 6MP about 7 years ago. At the time it was around $1,000 -- and as far as I'm concerned it was worth every penny. Still prints great, cartridges last 2-3 years (and I print 300+ sheets a month).
I got a color inkjet last year and have already spend more on ink in one year than I spent on toner in 7.
HP LJ 4plus (Score:1)
Re:HP LJ 4plus (Score:3, Informative)
I know it's trite, but I can't resist (Score:1)
linuxprinting.org is your friend (Score:2)
Multifunction? (Score:2)