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Japanese Gamers, Retailers, Developers Sum Up 2003

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the monkey-business dept.

Christmas Cheer 54

Thanks to Game Science for their news story compiling the results of an end-of-year survey in Japanese videogame magazine Famitsu. Among the intriguing results: the most popular game of 2003 for readers was Namco's GameCube RPG Tales Of Symphonia, with another GC title, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, coming in second, and Square's Final Fantasy X-2 for PS2 was voted the most disappointing title of the year. Elsewhere, game developers and shops voted Western-developed Grand Theft Auto III the game that "sold better than your expectations", and Square Enix's Final Fantasy XII is the most-awaited Japanese title of 2004 among developers, retailers, and gamers, with that company's Dragon Quest VIII firmly ensconced in second place. Finally, as an aside, the Game Science site has collected a neat conglomeration of Happy New Year postcards from Japanese game developers.

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Ha! Yo! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834053)

Will of warrior triumphs again!

Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (4, Insightful)

gasaraki (262206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834081)

But I thought Gamecube was dead? At least, if you read helf the articles that seem to get posted on games.slashdot, that's probably what you'd believe.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (5, Informative)

Zangief (461457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834177)

By some reason, American media is trying to present the gamecube as a dead console, and Nintendo as a company ready to fall in bankruptcy. This is hardly so, since they dominate the portable market, and are second (and by far lately) in the console war.

The Gamecube is alive and kicking, and if xbox were the console of another company, like sega, xbox would be dead. There is no real reason to own a xbox now; if you love FPSs, you should get a PC, for almost the same price.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (2, Interesting)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834204)

"There is no real reason to own a xbox now"

Not true at all, I'd say. The exclusive titles are good fun, by and large, it frequently has the best version of multiplatform things, and the online experience is, for me, far superior to either the PS2's muddled and inconsistent attempts or the culture of cheating and other infantile behaviour on the PC.

None of which is to disregard the fun that can be had with either of the other two consoles, of course - my personal most played of 2003 are Midtown Madness 3, Psyvariar and Soul Calibur II; one on each of the consoles.

xbox is not dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7868784)

my xbox isn't dead. Xboxes won't be dead as long as people port operating systems to it

linux
win CE
??*BSD??

I would say *nix, but somehow I don't see SGI, IBM, HP, Sun, SATAN(formerly known as SCO group)(formerly known as Caldera Systems)(formerly known as Caldera), and any major unix vendors I might have missed

(plus I added SCO into major since they "own anything and everything" that conforms to IEEE 1003.1

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834428)

No good reason to own an Xbox?
How about
Halo (well, it was exclusive for 2 years) & Halo 2
Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
MechAssault
Panzer Dragon Orta
Amped 1 and 2
Xbox Live (it's not free, but it's good, compared to Sony's offering)

Plus about every game that comes out on the three platform plays best with the Xbox because of the better hardware?

The only thing is misses? RPGs. Hopefully Fable and Sudeki will be great games.

Um... What about KotOR? (1)

Slider451 (514881) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834915)

The only thing is misses? RPGs.

You may have forgotten a little title by Bioware called Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It won game of the year at Gamespy [gamespy.com].

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835010)

You may have forgotten that title was not XBox exclusive.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

Slider451 (514881) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835047)

You may have forgotten that title was not XBox exclusive.

It was for most of 2003. It only got ported to PC last month. And XBox is still the only console you can play it on. So, what is your point?

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836121)

It was for most of 2003. It only got ported to PC last month. And XBox is still the only console you can play it on. So, what is your point?

My point was that it's not XBox exclusive. Whether it was exclusive more than a month ago is no reason to own one now. So, what is your point?

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836125)

A game does not need to be an Xbox exclusive to be a credit to the Xbox. Just about every single multi-console game looks/plays best on the Xbox. KOTOR is multi-platform- but the other platform is Windows. Nintendo can still have an exclusive, it if runs on GBA and GCN.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7837168)

Really, there's no such thing as a game that runs on both GBA and GCN--just because a game has the same name doesn't mean it's actually the same game. It's less of a port, more of a sharing of trademarks.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

bugbread (599172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836962)

You may have forgotten that we're not discussing exclusive games for the XBox, just good games on the XBox.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7837214)

You may have forgotten that you are the only one discussing that, everyone else is talking about reasons to own an XBox.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

bugbread (599172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7837468)

Exactly: reasons to own an XBox. Not exclusive reasons to own an XBox.

Let's make this easy for you: reasons to own a TV: you can watch TV shows, play video games, and watch DVDs. Are these exclusive? No, you can watch TV with a computer TV tuner video card, play video games on a game boy advance, and watch movies in theaters. But are they still reasons to own a TV? Yes.

You're the only person here discussing exclusivity.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7854197)

Come on, read the other posts here, everyone else is talking about reasons to own an XBox instead of another system or even as well as another system. Reasons to own video game systems in general are fairly disingenous.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

bugbread (599172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7860601)

Fair, but this particular branch of the thread was about the XBox missing RPGs, and the comment was saying that it did in fact have one. As far as I can tell, the original RPG post was not about the XBox not having good RPGs that other systems don't (or, that other systems have but the XBox implementation is better). It was saying that one of the drawbacks of the XBox was lack of RPGs, and the KOTOR comment was showing that this was not a true drawback. It's not saying that XBox is superior for KOTOR, it's that it's not inferior for having no RPGs.

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835019)

Sorry, my bad! Odd that I forgot it, since it's my favorite Xbox game. ;)

Re:Um... What about KotOR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7842569)

Wow, a single good rpg. I think you've made his point.

Kotor will be coming to PC soon n00b (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7835428)

N00b it's coming to xbox.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (2, Insightful)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7838242)

I wouldn't say most games play best on the Xbox. *Very* few people find the controller comfortable. Even the Controller S is awkward.

Jumping from the PS2 to the GameCube or Xbox will give you a huge increase in graphics and a large decrease in load times. The jump from GameCube to Xbox is very small.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7838628)

I wouldn't say I have big hands, but the other day I went to my friend's house and we played on his PS2 and I found the controller too small and ackward. It's a matter of taste I guess.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7840079)

That's because the PS2 controller is awkward.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7841167)

The PS2 controller is a little smaller than the GameCube controller, but more importantly, it's got awkward grips on it. That's why it feels weird.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7842261)

I've never had the chance to play with the gamecube, but at first sight the button layout seems very odd. I'm sure they made it that way for a reason though, so I guess it must be confortable, since it's coming from Nintendo.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

KAMiKAZOW (455500) | more than 10 years ago | (#7842850)

Both pads, PS2 and GC, are good. Yes, GC's button layout is odd, but not in a bad way. It depends on the game. With most games it makes almost no difference.
Some games like beat'em'ups or Tony Hawk work better with a classic button layout like the PS2 has.
Other games like Metroid Prime make perfect use of the GC pad - a PS2 pad wouldn't work with that game.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

mythr (260723) | more than 10 years ago | (#7869687)

Other games like Metroid Prime make perfect use of the GC pad - a PS2 pad wouldn't work with that game.

I played Metroid Prime using a PS2 controller (yeah they make adapters) just yesterday. It plays just as well as with the GC pad. The controls would hardly qualify as perfect, though... They should let you strafe with the left joystick and aim with the right "C" joystick, instead of having that damned L-to-target kludge. I suppose that'd make it too hard for the kids that make up Nintendo's fan-base anymore, though. Oh well. I own all three, and each of them has its good games.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7842923)

Like all Nintendo controllers, it was designed for the games Miyamoto had in mind.

The only problem with it is it tends to be either great or terrible for a game, whereas the PS2 controller tends to be general purpose, neither great nor terrible for almost all games.

Although it looks odd, the button layout works very well. It's near impossible to hit the wrong button, as they all have a unique shape. The large A button is nice, as games tend to center their controls around it. When you play a game designed with that controller in mind, you'll absolutely love it.

That said, games designed for other controllers don't play as nicely. For LOTR: The Two Towers, EA oddly decided that Y should cancel out of menus, whereas the GameCube convention is B. It's an odd choice, since it just feels right to use B to cancel - you'll naturally try use A to pick and B to cancel in menus without being told, so when something differs, you'll hit the wrong button a lot.

Fighting games like Soul Calibur 2 definately suffer with the GameCube controller, but not to the point that it's unplayable. You get used to it fairly quickly.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834462)

A new PC for $180? I spent 5 times that on mine. Please show me where to find that kind of deal.

Not that I like MS any more than you apparently do, but they're not in 3rd place "by far lately". They're neck and neck with Nintendo worldwide.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834760)

Pre-price cut, Microsoft had shipped under a million less Xboxes than Nintendo shipped GameCubes worldwide. Post-price cut, the gap widened by a large degree in the holiday season.

The GameCube has been outselling the Xbox for at least a little over the past two months, even in the U.S., and even according to NPD, who do not track system sales at Nintendo's strongest (by a large degree) retail partner, Wal-Mart.

Xbox is in last place in the console/handheld race, a position, BTW, that the GameCube has never had on the international scale. (It's true, the Xbox has never leapfrogged the GameCube in international installed base - not once.)

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836057)

The media is always hyping doom and gloom on the GC, because they've got nothing better to do. But I like the moves Nintendo has made lately to push the GC.

Seriously though, now is a good time to own all of the major consoles. There are so many good titles out and coming out soon, that having all three means you can choose the best of best. This is heresy for me, since I'm a developer, but it is the PC that is on the way out.

I love to tinker with and build new PCs as much as anyone on /., but I don't want to spend so much time with that anymore when I can pop a disk into a console and it just runs. I can even get used to using a controller for an FPS like Halo! And I don't have to worry about disk space. For example, I'd love to try Final Fantasy XI online now, but I don't have the space (or cpu, or gpu for it) right now. So I'm going to wait until the US PS2 bundle comes out in '04. Yeah, it'll cost a pretty penny up front, but it's worth it to avoid the hassle of having to upgrade a perfectly good box.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (1)

StupidKatz (467476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7879659)

Until consoles allow mods to be created, non-central server/LAN multiplayer games, hi-res (>1024x768) graphics, 5.1 or other surround sound, and a decent setup for FPS and other high-precision-required games, the PC isn't going anywhere but forward as a gaming platform. ("Just running" works already with the majority of the big PC games. If I wanted things to "just run", I'd own a Mac.)

Which platform is going to be the first to support AR (augmented reality) games, mm?

Woah, pack up that trolling and take it home. (1)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836348)

There's hardly no real reason to own an Xbox. No other system has the systemlink or online capable games that the Xbox does. No other system features such a handy storage medium for its save games (the HD) which also adds a whole bunch of possibilities that are being used -- like in PGR2, being able to record your replays without even thinking about buynig a new memory card.

In addition to all live titles (Mech Assault, PGR2) and great driving titles (PGR2), the Xbox has a great deal of great Sega games. Toe Jam and Earl, Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon, Gunvalkyrie, etc. Best of all, the Xbox is very technically advanced. My copy of Fatal Frame for the Xbox doesn't suffer from the horrible slow loads that the PS2 version does, nor did my copy of Silent Hill 2.

It's also the only console that lets me DDR online.

The only time there's no reason to own a console is right at a console's lauch, because rarely are there are launch titles worth playing -- plus it usually takes a few months (or years, in the PS2's case) to get a good library of games to make it worth owning the system. There are plenty of system link, online, Sega, and other games on the Xbox that make it the (on of) the ones to have if you're serious about video gaming.

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834361)

I thought Gamecube was dead? At least, if you read helf the articles that seem to get posted on games.slashdot, that's probably what you'd believe.

If you believe everything you read on Slashdot, you'd think Apple and BSD were dead, too...

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834411)

Who and what?

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (2, Informative)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7838143)

In Japan, the GameCube sells about as many consoles per week as the Xbox sells in an entire year. Weekly GameCube sales are also on average about 75% the level of PS2 sales. The GameCube isn't doing bad in Japan at all. It would probably be a lot closer to the PS2 if the PS2 didn't have a year and a half jump on the GC.

Bashing GameCube is the trendy thing to do, but it's not very accurate. Nintendo's games and well made 3rd party games (i.e. Soul Calibur 2) sell really well for the GameCube. The only stuff that doesn't sell well on the GameCube is half assed ports of multiplatform games. Publishers get confused and blame Nintendo for the GameCube version bombing when they released it 6 months after the PS2/Xbox versions and it looked better on the PS2 (which is a lot less powerful).

Tell that to Nintendo of AMERICA (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7843418)

It is too bad the sales in Japan don't benefit Nintendo of America, thus not really changing the fact that Cube sales in America are still not as good as NOA would like.

Re:Tell that to Nintendo of AMERICA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7843661)

North America is the market where Nintendo is seeing the highest sales increases for the GameCube, with monthly market share higher than that of the Xbox for at least the past 9 weeks. You're aware that the gap between the overall sales lead that the GameCube has internationally over the Xbox is GROWING, while the Xbox's N. American lead over the GameCube is SHRINKING, right?

Or were you being overly general? Of course, Nintendo would LIKE to have a GameCube coupled with high software attach rates in every American home, but that is unrealistic, as is anything higher than second place when the momentum of the Sony juggernaut is involved. Your statement about desired sales rates make equal sense when applied to Microsoft and their Xbox system.

Re:Tell that to Nintendo of AMERICA (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7847304)

The point I was going for is that Japanese sales don't prove much to help out the American faction of Nintendo...so bragging about how sales go over there does little to comfort NOA, who does not have alternative money sources like Microsoft to rely on.

Thus, the Japanese market can do as well as it wants, but NOA needs results here in order to brag. Right now, they don't have it. Sure, sales improved with the price drop, but how much are they actually making per console? :( MS has given in to losing plenty of money already, but can NOA afford it?

Re:Top 2 most popular games in Japan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7844133)

COSMO
What's wrong with this country, Marty?

COSMO
Money. You taught me that. Evil defense contractors had it, noble causes did not. Politicians are bought and sold like so much chattel. Our problems multiply. Pollution, crime, drugs, poverty, disease, hunger, despair; we throw gobs of money at them! The problems always get worse. Why is that? Because money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it.

BISHOP
I agree. Now who did you say you were working for?

COSMO
Oh, that's just my day job. Listen, when I was in prison, I learned that everything in this world, including money, operates not on reality...

BISHOP ...but the perception of reality.

COSMO
Posit. People think a bank might be financially shaky.

BISHOP
Consequence. People start to withdraw their money.

COSMO
Result. Pretty soon it IS financially shaky.

BISHOP
Conclusion. You can make banks fail.

COSMO
Bzzzt! I've already done that. Maybe you've read about a few?

Such hope is kind of sweet, really (2, Insightful)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834176)

So, they award the latest Final Fantasy game the title "most disappointing this year" and still regard the next one as their most anticipated game? Kind of odd, really. But then, Eidos want to make another Tomb Raider game too, so its not exactly unique thinking.

Re:Such hope is kind of sweet, really (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7834687)

no, its not that unusual- FFX-2 was the first ever pure sequel in the series- IE where the successor game was directly based on events in the first. And, im playing it now, and yeah it is disappointing- Same world, same characters, except you only get to use 3 throughout the whole game (well, I can really only say that definitively for the first half), the real time battle system is ok, but the job/skill system it uses is in my opinion a bit on the weak side. The story too is kind of weak- they tried to be a bit more non-linear, and it does not work that well.
However, in spite of all this, it doesnt mean I have lost faith in the FF series at all. Ive played 6 of the titles including the original on the NES, and they have all been incredible games. Even FFX-2 is not really BAD, it was just kind of lame comparitively.
As a more direct comparison, during the golden age of bond movies (sean connery years), if one didnt live up to expectations, did that really mean you werent going to watch any new ones that came out?

Re:Such hope is kind of sweet, really (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834961)

First of all, "they" didn't. This is a reader survey, not an Award From On High. Note that Final Fantasy X-2 also showed up in third place for "What game were you most satisfied with?"... I'm gonna have to issue you a RTFA.

Second, since there is no "they", there can easily be two groups, one who likes it and one who doesn't. And given the way fanboys work, often the second group is much larger, but the first group much louder.

Re:Such hope is kind of sweet, really (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835680)

Aaah. Caught red-handed, thanks to the proxy not letting me read it. I thought this was an editorial awards list, not a fan-vote one.

trailer (2, Informative)

qbproger (467459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7834483)

for those of you interesting in a Tales of Symphonia trailer without having to sign up for gamespot one can be seen here:
http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_tale sofsymp honia.html

*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7835092)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

final fantasy x-2 (1)

toastmaster (311275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7837111)

as a person who railed against the idea of a final fantasy sequel, i must now admit that i enjoy this game. i've been playing it non-stop for a few weeks, and it's better than you would think. perhaps not as serious as previous outings, but what's wrong with having a sense of humor?

Re:final fantasy x-2 (1)

Deflagro (187160) | more than 10 years ago | (#7838553)

I actually agree, it's not that bad a game, just kinda...fluffy. I can do without Yuna singing and crap. I miss using the Aeons instead of just fighting them. The special spheres are neat but i dunno, FFX was much better. I've played every FF since FF1 (US version) and FF3 is still my fave. I want to see FFXII though, looks interesting.

Ah, this was a Japanese survey. (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7839349)

I was confused for a moment when I saw that FFX-2 was rated Most Disappointing Game of 2003. I mean, most Americans know better than to have high expectations for a game that has a commercial with its main characters (all in ridiculous outfits) singing J-Pop in a concert, but the Japanese actually like that stuff.

That said, from what I've heard from friends who have played it, its gameplay actually sounds pretty interesting. A CRPG-style quest system would make a nice change from the usual FF model, and the quasi-real-time battles are a huge leap forward in my mind.

Rob

Re:Ah, this was a Japanese survey. (1)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7843830)

So, in other words, you're saying what make this Final Fantasy game so interesting are all the things that make it not a Final Fantasy game?

This really isn't surprising... (1)

GaimeGuy (679917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7841687)

the "Tales of" series has always been just as popular in Japan as Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Tales of Symphonia was the first 3D game in the series, but it still stays true to the 2D movement battle system. It's no surprise that the latest title in such a popular series, which delivers plenty of new content while retaining the basic elements of the series, gets the most praise by consumers.

However, since there are far more DQ and FF games than "Tales of..." games, this fact usually gets overlooked by gamers from other regions. Most gamers wouldn't know what the Tales of series is or who makes it.

Re:This really isn't surprising... (1)

Jeff Reed (209535) | more than 10 years ago | (#7868161)

Part of that is Namco's (the publisher of the "Tales Of" series in Japan and, on rare occasions, the States) fault for never really giving the "Tales Of" series a fair shake. Sure, they released Tales of Destiny and Tales of Eternia, but they've had two opportunites to release the remakes of Tales of Phantasia (on the PS1 and most recently Gameboy Advance), but instead chose to pass on them. If there's one thing the GBA really needs, it's RPGS that most people haven't played a gazillion times before. And considering the game has never had a US release, I can't think of any real reason not to release it. They also passed on the PS2 game Tales of Destiny 2, but that was probably because some idiot at Namco decided renaming Tales of Eternia to Tales of Destiny 2 for the US market was a good plan.

Does Namco really think people don't like buying RPGs unless the game's name contains "Xeno" and can be confused with a release from another major RPG producer?
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