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iPod Jr. Rumors Become More Substantial

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the but-thats-so-tiny dept.

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sdimbert writes "Rumors of a new, smaller, "iPodJr" have been floating around the Rumor Sites for a few weeks (as well a here at Slashdot). But now, the rumors have gained credibility and become more substantial. London's Evening Standard reports today (30 Dec 03) that "Apple has announced a cut-price mini version" of the iPod, "costing 65 [~115 USD], which will be able to store 800 songs." Despite the assertion that Apple "announced" the product, there is no mention of it at their official News Page or their product page for the iPod."

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FP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7835973)

FP!

Aiming at the low end (5, Insightful)

netwiz (33291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835987)

This is going to pretty much kill in the low end
Flash-based player market. I was looking at Fry's this weekend, and everything in the $49-99 range only came w/ 128MB, upgradeable to 640. Even assuming that the low-end Apple mini-iPod is only 1-2GB, it's got those other players beat by a mile, and hey, it works w/ iTunes!

I'm really looking forward to next year :)

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836016)

My song to gigabyte conversion tactics say 3.2 gigs for the rumored device.

Bah, just use DVDs instead.

Re:Aiming at the low end (5, Insightful)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836058)

Bah, just use DVDs instead

When you can get me a DVD recorder/MP3 player that fits in my pocket, costs $100, and is super simple to use via iTunes, then sure, I'm all over it.

In the meantime though, my money goes to the R&D demigods over at Apple. The fact that it's miniature firewire storage ALONE would make it worth a hundred bucks to me, but it's also designed by the current most successful and easy to use mp3 player?

Re:Aiming at the low end (2, Insightful)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836128)

Commercial success isn't tightly linked with having a good product, and deification often leads to disillusionment.

Re:Aiming at the low end (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836184)

Warning: MAC ZEALOT

Warning: MAC ZEALOT

PICTURES (5, Interesting)

williwilli (639147) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836211)

There hasn't been any official announcement yet; MacWorld keynote [macrumors.com] is January 6. Rumors are circulating of new, smaller iPods with 2gb and 4gb capacities and a lower price. There are some mockups and pictures here. [sejus.com]


music, video, games, recipes, forums -- earth2willi.com! [earth2willi.com]

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

ALpaca2500 (125123) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836351)

When you can get me a DVD recorder/MP3 player that fits in my pocket, costs $100, and is super simple to use via iTunes, then sure, I'm all over it.


there was the Compaq PM-1 miniCD mp3 player. (i believe phillips made one that was also a burner). if they could make one of these that read MP3s from a miniDVD, that would be pretty nice. i dont think they could make one for $100 to begin with though...

Re:Aiming at the low end (4, Insightful)

netwiz (33291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836182)

Except that you lose the option of having playlists, the player requires more power per song played (the DVD's gonna have a _way_ higher rotational moment of inertia, so spinup and spindown are more costly), and it's still not as iTunes-compatible. Sure, the hypothetical DVD-player could still use iTunes, but now that we're up to a DVD-player, it's _going_ to be more expensive, esp. considering most of the rumors are fora sub-$100 device.

And CDs have the same playist issues, along with lesser capacity.

What kind of storage? (1)

questamor (653018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836231)

OK apart from the world's wishlist of "5GB iPod for $99", what's the reality of storage costs when it comes to RAM, flash RAM and HD?

presuming a 2GB low end model, with flash memory, what kind of price would that be?

And slightly off to the side, is the flash memory chips (the raw logic level itself) the same in Compact Flash as opposed to memory sticks, or SD or some such?

How about a HD? iPods started with 5GB drives, and now are up around 40. What's the cost for just one of the base base level drives? even IBM's microdrives?

I've seen a lot of theorising about this but not much in the way of reality to back it up. Even many arguments on Spymac were that the new iPod would be sub $99 with 5GB of flash memory. Is that even possible?

Any relevant answers will be appreciated :)

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836024)

Thats why the 1-2GB hard disk MP3 players allready on the market are so popular. Oh wait, their not. Seems people still find them too big and dont like having moving parts.

Re:Aiming at the low end (5, Insightful)

bwalling (195998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836028)

This is going to pretty much kill in the low end
Flash-based player market. I was looking at Fry's this weekend, and everything in the $49-99 range only came w/ 128MB, upgradeable to 640. Even assuming that the low-end Apple mini-iPod is only 1-2GB, it's got those other players beat by a mile, and hey, it works w/ iTunes!


I just got a 10GB iPod for Christmas. If it were not given to me, I would never have purchased it. I have wanted an iPod since they were announced, but $300 is more than I think an MP3 player is worth. I looked at the sub $100 MP3 players several times, but none of them were as good as the iPod. It's just not even close (even when you ignore the storage capacity). If Apple truly delivers this product (1GB iPod for $100), it will be a smashing success. I think that I am not alone in looking for a low end iPod (of course, I'm looking no more).

Re:Aiming at the low end (5, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836129)

you are exactly the target market apple is gunning for.

the ipod has been out for a while now and given its fairly long use-life just about everybody who was willing to get one at $300 has probably done so already.

now apple is gunning to pick up the people who wanted one but balked at the price point. kinda like publishers who put out the hardcover for the the $30 crowd and then eight months later release a paperback for the $7 folks.

Re:Aiming at the low end (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836204)

> you are exactly the target market apple is gunning for.

Or me, with my recently purchased Philips eXpanium (yeah, stupid name) which is a 50 UKP CD diskman which plays MP3s too. I'd have looked at the new apple iPod - if it had existed just before christmas, as opposed to just after it - but probably would have stuck with this. I have a pack of 15 cdrs containing the majority of my cd collection in mp3 format, and if I lost the whole lot tonight I'd simply re-order a replacement and reburn my disks while I'm waiting for it to arrive.

If they can do a 1 or 2 gig version for 65 UKP, then why does it cost 400 UKP for a slightly bigger drive? It's a purely technical problem, right?

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836210)

Chalk me up too. I'm currently in the market for some sort of personal audio device, and would *love* an iPod, but can't possibly justify that sort of expense. (Life gets expensive with a house, car, family to support...)

A cheap, lower-capacity model would be perfect. I don't need 10 or 20 gigs of storage - I only have about 5 gigs of mp3s as it is. Sure, the extra space would be nice, but I'd be happy enough with deleting/uploading some music every fews days or so if it means the difference between affordable and out of my price range.

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836377)

I'm the exact same way. To me the $99 price point and 1Gig size is the key. At $300, it doesn't matter if it's 10 Gigabytes or 10 Terrabytes, I'm not paying that kind of money to listen to Dave Mathews on the treadmill. But give it to me for $99 and I'm all over it, and so is half this country.

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836181)

It won't beat this [bestbuy.com] player's price...

Re:Aiming at the low end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836207)

I just bought one of those for my sister for her birthday. She loves it, she uses it with her Mac and iTunes, to burn data CDs of MP3s and then play then in the portable. I don't think she could be happier with the gift than if I got her an iPod.

Re:Aiming at the low end (2, Insightful)

netwiz (33291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836229)

No, it won't. But I still don't get playlists. I don't get full iTunes compatibility. I've got less capacity than the rumored 2GB unit, and I have to change disks. I've also got to haul around a honking gigantic (by comparison) CD-player that doesn't fit in any pocket I own.

Those features are enough to justify another fifty bucks.

Re:Aiming at the low end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836270)

Who wants to cary around something as HUGE as that thing?

Re:Aiming at the low end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836338)

oh wow, as big as a CD player, my god, who would want to carry that!

Re:Aiming at the low end (1, Troll)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836205)

That's why I find the announcement hard to believe. Apple prices *above* commodity as a MARKETING STRATEGY (gee, it costs more, it must be better!). If apple were to make cheap IPODS to compete with other players (apple does not compete on price) that would be a huge shift in Apples overall strategy.

Re:Aiming at the low end (5, Insightful)

abacsalmasi (643483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836228)

A $100 minipod is definately a possibility either with a Flash a HD based system but my money is on a HD system with more or less the same look and feel as the original iPod. Apple isn't going to bring to market a product that lacks in design, usability, and ease of use. That's just not Apple. This might be a historacle moment for Apple, releasing something price competitive. I think Steve took a business course this summer and realised that they have such a good product on their hand that HE even knows he has to play the game. A 1" 2-4 G cheap HD seems very likely, it's already being done, and I am sure that Steve could convince some company to let them go at a good price because of the demand that exists for the iPods. He's got a lot of barganing chips and he'll use them. Remember, this is a guy who convinced the stingy money-sucking music whores to get on board with his idea and now look what happend. Coke and Walmart music stores? C'mon, what's next, a Staples or Home Depot online store? I think people are going to fall in line with Mr. Steve, he's proven time and time again that he can change the world of digital media wether it be through computers, software, or peripherals. Apple is always the first ones on the field ready to play, they might not make the most money, but they start the game. Why wouldn't a company take a chance and be the first to market with them, best price, best product, and dominate, all for a little price break on HD's? People believe in him now, and his reality distortion field. Hi mom.

Re:Aiming at the low end (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836253)

Damn skippy. I've been looking for a portable MP3* player recently, as I will soon have a job that requires frequent travel. However, $399 was/still is a bit steep. The ability to use it as a portable firewire HD is nifty, but useless for my usage. Anyway, $100, 800 songs, that's definately a keeper. I may have that in my change can. :)

Mini Me? (5, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7835990)

I'm sure Apple will tap Vern Troyer to promote the new mini iPod :-)

Re:Mini Me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836020)

no doubt yao ming could join in the fun?

Re:Mini Me? (5, Funny)

Genady (27988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836192)

NO NO NO! Billy Boyd! Apple has to redeam the Pippin name in it's lineage. "The new iPod, hobbit sized." :: Cut to scene with Pip and Merry ::

Pip> Whatcha got there Merry?
Merry> The new MiniPod, 800 songs and it's mine, my prescious.
Pip> :: Sees a human pass with a regular iPod :: Wait. It comes in Pints? I'm getting one.

Re:Mini Me? (2, Informative)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836246)

You, sir, need to get yourself a job [apple.com] . That would be an EXCELLENT way to capitilize on the success of the trilogy, as well as push their new product.

Plus, Merry and Pippin kick ass.

Re:Mini Me? (1)

mhore (582354) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836193)

I'm sure Apple will tap Vern Troyer to promote the new mini iPod :-)

Just like how they had him promote the 17" Powerbook (which is frickin' huge!)...?

Mike.

Really Funny Commercial (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836239)

I could see that as a really funny commercial.

Anything with MiniMe and iPodJr = Priceless.

Apple and the iPod would get instant widespread recognition (not to mention people would remember the product much longer).

Wow! (1)

djkitsch (576853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836001)

That could easily put the makers of solid state MP3 players out of business...If it's true.

It seems unlikely, however, unless they've got a really good deal with the miniature hard disc manufacturers....

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836122)

Like IBM perhaps!?!?!?

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836158)

While thats what the apple "crowd" and people interested by apple products (like me) would like to think, but fact remains that using flash memory MP3 players has an inherent advantage in terms of having no movable parts. This gives me plenty peace of mind when using MP3 player in the gym, running or like.

No matter how shock absorbent they make the hard disks but nothing beats flash in sturdiness.

Re:Wow! (1)

Svennig (665498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836185)

That could easily put the makers of solid state MP3 players out of business...If it's true.

Thats true, but no more than the other miniature-hard-drive MP3 players out there. Just because they dont have the IPod branding dont discount the Creative Muvo2 or Rio Nitrus.

VAT (3, Interesting)

stang7423 (601640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836002)

I wonder if that price includes VAT. If it is so then the US price would drop to about $100. just food for though.

No announcement (5, Informative)

neverkevin (601884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836005)

there is no mention of it at their official News Page or their product page for the iPod.

Yeah, probably because Macworld expo is on the 6th, I would expect and announcement then.

Re:No announcement (2, Interesting)

ankit (70020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836050)

True. But the article says:

"Apple has announced a cut-price mini version"

This appears to be a goof-up like what Time-Canada did a while back. This news should have been released on the 6th.

Re:No announcement (1)

cavebear42 (734821) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836266)

Apple has a habit of releasing at the Expo. Then the people at the expo order, well, all of 'em. Then it takes 6 months before they even start to have them again. The way I count it, this was released just in time for wide spread sales on Christmas... 2004. BTW, I saw one /.er guess at 1.5GB flash. Apple claims 10,000 songs on a 40GB, thats 250 songs/GB and 800 songs would be 3.2GB. If thats Flash, its the cheapest flash I've ever seen.

The Evening Standard? (5, Insightful)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836013)

They don't even understand LONDON, you can't expect them too understand APPLE.

If you're looking for NEWS in the Evening Standard, you're looking in the wrong fucking place.

Re:The Evening Standard? (1)

SengirV (203400) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836216)

And I'm sure that the ONLY place to get news in New York is the NYTimes? A more honorable newspaper has never been produced! HAHAHAHAHA!! Get your news from one source and turn into what they want, a non thinking automaton who laps up their editorial slant without question.

Just The Facts, Man (1)

CBDSteve (716562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836230)

Hmmm... nice to see they're as accurate as usual:

It weighs less than two compact discs


Re:Just The Facts, Man (1)

qshapadooy (134224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836340)

From the Apple iPod Home Page [apple.com] :

The new super-slim iPod once again redefines what a digital music player should be. It's lighter than 2 CDs, can hold up to 10,000 songs, thousands of digital photos and works as a personal voice recorder. Now you can sync with iTunes for Mac and Windows at blazing speeds, and take your entire music collection with you wherever you go. Available for Mac and Windows starting at $299.

Blame Apple if the facts are wrong.

Re:The Evening Standard? (1)

bwalling (195998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836240)

If you don't trust that website, how about CBS Marketwatch [marketwatch.com] or San Francisco Gate [sfgate.com] ? They are both speculating, but they are larger press than MacRumors and ThinkSecret.

Press Release (2, Insightful)

Arc04 (601196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836019)

I want to know how the Evening Standard know about it, without Apple releasing a press release. And if Apple have released a press release, then why isn't it listed on their site?

Maybe someone at the Evening Standard is a /. regular and just nicked it from the earlier story.

Re:Press Release (1)

mekkab (133181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836062)

or rather, its a slow news week (all the good journalists on holiday) and someone saw it posted on 3 mac rumor mill websites, and decided "It MUST be news! That's my story for the week, its PUB TIME!"

Re:Press Release (3, Funny)

ankit (70020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836111)

Its a cycle!

It all started with thinksecret posting about the rumored mini-ipods. Then came macrumors, which simply linked to thinksecret as their source. Then it was slashdot, which again linked to thinksecret. Then it was macrumors again, which said that it had more sources (they did not disclose them). And then some London newspapers picked up the rumors, and posted them as such. This becomes news on macrumors.com again (see page 2). And now we are back on slasldot.

wow! And it all started with _someone_ hinting a possibility to thinksecret!

This reminds me of a time when it was rumored that the President of India had died. Everyone was thoroughly convinced. Even BBC carried this story. The poor president was completely healthy and very much alive!

Or.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836353)

They thoroughly researched* it.

*Made up.

Probaby some fab time involved (2, Insightful)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836027)

Gotta ramp up the production before you make the announcement. I have a feeling that these will sell very quickly.

As american as pie! (1, Interesting)

actionvance (635238) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836036)

Does this mark apples first true mass market attempt since the early 80's?! For some time now, price points have kept apple product away from "less-than-upper-middle-class". At just over 100 beans, my kid brother could buy one.

Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836037)

Another chance to buy some overpriced, underperforming gizo just to try to look cool.

I guess when your that lonely, an Ipod looks good.

Re:Wow (0)

actionvance (635238) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836063)

overpriced?!?! what are you babbling about?

Re:Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836083)

Shut up, bitch.

Hard Drive (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836042)

I wonder if this new iPod will continue acting as a firewire HD. Or if it will work with the iPod accessories. So many questions. As others have posted, this gadget would essentially drive others out of business. I would have never guessed an iPod could be delivered at such a low price. Wouldn't the HD on the unit alone make up for 90% of the price?

Re:Hard Drive (2, Interesting)

kevinvee (581676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836164)

The Rio Nitrus is 1.5gb and has sold for as low as $150. The price on these mini hard drives is dropping fast as IBM and others continue to refine the manufacturing process. I doubt Apple will earn as much margin as they are on the higher ends, but these Jr's will look attractive to buyers such as myself who don't need a 40 gig brick.

I'll be first in line (2, Interesting)

Slowtreme (701746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836044)

Apple hasn't said anything official at all about Mini iPods, and usually they kick thier Legal team into action when "half true" Rumors hit the web. The idea that they have done nothing at all makes this seem like they have resigned to let the leak become publicity, or free advertising.

As much as I'd love to have a 20g iPod to hold all of my music on, I'd be very happy with a resonably priced (about $200) iPod that will hold 2-4gig of music. 256mb flash players just are not big enough for the price.

First "announced", then "expected to unveil" (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836051)

Interesting how something that is initially described as fait accompli is then described as "expected to unveil".

I'm not saying Apple isn't going to have them. I'm just saying this is another glorified rumor (or rumour since it's a UK site).

iPod for exercise and iTunes rules? (1, Offtopic)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836065)

I just got an 10GB iPod for Christmas and I was curious how the iPod holds up on a treadmill or a jog around the track?

Im also curious about how iTunes works? If i download some songs on my laptop and can move/play them on my home computer as well?

Re:iPod for exercise and iTunes rules? (4, Informative)

bwalling (195998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836151)

I just got an 10GB iPod for Christmas and I was curious how the iPod holds up on a treadmill or a jog around the track?

Im also curious about how iTunes works? If i download some songs on my laptop and can move/play them on my home computer as well?


Your question will probably be better answered here [ipodlounge.com] .

Re:iPod for exercise and iTunes rules? (2, Interesting)

psxndc (105904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836172)

I got the armband holder [marware.com] from Marware [marware.com] and used to (before school started) run several miles a day with no problems. Watch it when it rains though because the one time I went when there was a lot of humidity in the air, at the end of the run the iPod sort of seized up for a few minutes. It reset itself and was fine, but that was a pretty scary few minutes.

psxndc

Re:iPod for exercise and iTunes rules? (1, Informative)

computerme (655703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836187)

Yes. to all your questions... if you have itunes you can set it up to stream to other computers on your subnet (house) or you can actually authorize those computers to use that music as well. I think the limit is five computers. If you sell your computer you can de-authorize the music on that system then re-authroize it on your new computer. It also "jogs" well.. Congrats. You got the best digital music expericence on the planet. (Be sure to sign up for new music on tuesday emails from apple. as well.)

We all know how this will end. (2, Insightful)

shumacher (199043) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836067)

It's gonna look like heaven in thermoplastic, and everyone here is going to want one.

What makes no sense is the timing. When a mainstream site makes an assertion about this sort of thing Apple is usually within days of release. If that were the case, why not launch before christmas.

I don't think we'll see this for some time. Previous rumors put stripes and patterns on the case. I suspect we'll see a Pepsi branded model some time in Feburary.

Super keen idea we'll probably never see:
Use the printing technology used on the blue dalmation and flower power iMacs, and tie in with iPhoto to let buyers have their photos molded into the case of their mini-ipod, rather than just simple laser engraving.

Re:We all know how this will end. (2, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836093)

When a mainstream site makes an assertion about this sort of thing Apple is usually within days of release.

Job's keynote speech is January 6th.

If that were the case, why not launch before christmas.

Pure guess on my part, but I'd suggest in order to shift stock of their high-margin existing players. Happy to hear better ideas though if someone has them.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:We all know how this will end. (5, Interesting)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836131)

If that were the case, why not launch before christmas.

Because they were busy selling regular iPods at $300-500 a pop. Clear out all that inventory, take the profit, then announce a new product at MacWorld. Simple profit maximization; a pre-Christmas announcement would have hurt current iPod sales as people demanded the Jr. rather than the big boy (which may or may not have been available). If they couldn't get their hands on one, they'd just wait until after Christmas. Meanwhile, iPods sit dusty and alone on the shelves. Post- you have enough time to ramp up production and meet demand. People that were going to buy an iPod already have one, so you're not taking a loss.

The people that are going to buy this (in DROVES) are the people that looked longingly at an iPod but were much too broke to buy one (read: ME and several million other people).

Re:We all know how this will end. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836217)

Apple's customers have 2 extra Christmases per year. The first comes in early January.

Re:We all know how this will end. (1)

Obiwan Kenobi (32807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836299)

If that were the case, why not launch before christmas.

My case in point: The GBA SP

On Christmas 2002, my wife got me a GBA, Metroid Fusion, along with a light attachment. I was enthused to say the least, and enjoyed it for about two weeks...

Until Nintendo announced, on January 6th, 2003 [gameboy-advance-sp.com] that their Gameboy SP was coming in February, complete with the why-didn't-they-include-it-in-the-first-place backlight and rechargable battery.

To put it mildly, I was fucking upset. Who would rather have the non-backlit and AA version when you could get a smaler and better designed alternative? While it didn't make me toss the GBA (it is a great system), it certainly put me in a mindset that any sweet geek toy I'm interested in gets a few more weeks of speculation from now on before I take the plunge.

iPod rumors could hurt (1)

Ham and Egger (734235) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836069)

So much emphasize is on the iPod/iTunes right now if there isn't a major announcement the stock will probably take a beating. Even if there are several other great announcements, things like iLife.

*ahem*. rumour press. (2, Insightful)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836073)

Apple has announced hey? Despite not owning them, I remember when the press said apple has "announced" 68060 based macs. I remember when apple "announced" that their games machine was selling in the US market. I remember when they "announced" the release of a PPC 620 64-bit mac.

"announced" in quotes simply because the press want to get it right before anyone else, and throw guesses and suppositions around regarding beta or even non existent hardware.

Now it is a matter of time... (2, Funny)

Guano_Jim (157555) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836082)

Before Jobs the iWhite sends out his Uruk-Hai to crush the rumor sites.

Re:Now it is a matter of time... (1)

buus (698205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836250)

And destroy all the free publicity/advertising that is generated? All the endless rumor debating makes people actually notice apple announcements and it's all free!

It's kind of... a bummer (5, Funny)

Muddie (72996) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836084)

I went to update the firmware on my iPod, and... like, it went all 'beep-beep-beep-beep-beep' and started to smoke. That was kind of... a bummer. So I check my funds and realize that I don't have the cash to get a new one because I bought my week's worth of... herbs. So, I go to the store and see that they released this iPodJr, and I was all like... cool. So, I was able to still listen to Jerry while I was studying. That's like... cool.

I'm Ellen Feiss, and I have an iPodJr.

Ogg Vorbis support (0)

TokyoBoy (217214) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836085)

I just can't justify buying one until it natively supports Ogg Vorbis. I have encoded my entire collection of CDs in ogg by choice and have been waiting until good hardware players for ogg were available before I purchased one. Now with several on the market (the Rio Karma being my top choice curently) it looks like Apple will not be getting my business.

Re:Ogg Vorbis support (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836168)

I'm sure that Apple will miss the business of you and the five other people that aren't buying an iPod for this reason.

Re:Ogg Vorbis support (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836169)

I have encoded my entire collection of CDs in ogg by choice and have been waiting until good hardware players for ogg were available before I purchased one.

Sounds like you're an idiot. Enjoy your wait.

Re:Ogg Vorbis support (4, Informative)

weez75 (34298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836188)

You can play Ogg files in iTunes with a plugin:

http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy/

It's not native but it works. I don't want to get into the debate about file formats but I will tell you the experience with an iPod is far superior to any other player I've tried--perhaps good enough to switch formats.

No way (5, Interesting)

gotpaint32 (728082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836087)

It can't be a true Apple product if you don't have to sacrifice your first born for it... I just don't believe it. I may eat these words later, but for a 115USD a 1-2gb player that is smaller than the current ipod? Flash memory is certainly not that cheap, and as for hard disks, even a used microdrive goes for more than that. Start throwing in Li-ion cells, LCDs, apple's usual cosmetic frills and you've got $$$ just piling up. Buying in bulk will surely reduce costs but what kind of profit are we talking here catering to the low end, this seems too unlike apple?

Re:No way (2, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836150)

Well the Rio Nitrus [digitalnetworksna.com] is close. Its 1.2GB for around 200$. I do think the 100$ price tag is going to be way off, but it should still be close to what Rio offers.

Rumors? (5, Interesting)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836096)

I'm sure there's some truth in this rumor, but isn't it possible that some "hack journalist" at the Evening Standard read these rumors (maybe even at Slashdot, if so HI!) and is just giving them more credence than they should receive so he or she scores "a scoop". It wouldn't be the first time a journo has been duped in this manner!

No mention of actual capacity or media... (4, Informative)

drayzel (626716) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836098)

Dang.

I really want to know what sort of media they are using and how much!

Lets see, 800 songs, average of around 3 minutes a song, about 1MB per minute for average quality works out to be about 2400MB. Refactor figures for the obligatory "Best Case Scenario" marketing droid math that works out to be a 32MB Flash player containing short songs recorded at 32kbit/s!

In reality it sounds like a 1.5BG player using AAC to fit 800 songs on it. That's a definite buy at that price! BUt if it sounds to good to be true, chances are it is.

Or maybe it is a simple Flash player with a compact flash card? Inserting 2GB CF card would allow for the capacity for 800 songs yet still keep the initial price of the player low.

~Z

Also announced... (5, Funny)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836103)

I was more intrigued by the announcement of the "iPod Micro," which supposedly makes even -more- music available than the regular iPods. It's also got some kind of wireless technology built in, which is something that people have been speculating about forever. What's odd though is that it's not 802.11b/g or Bluetooth, but rather something called "frequency modulation" in an entirely different spectrum.

They said the memory technology was called "station presets" -- anyone know what this means?

Radio sucks (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836327)

"Station presets" means that all you're ever going to hear on it is what the RIAA plays Clear Channel to play.

Great Price Point? (5, Insightful)

rocketjam (696072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836136)

When the original iPods came out, people complained that the price was too high and no one would buy one. The iPod's success shows there are a lot of people with more disposable income than the critics thought. Still, $300 - $400 is more money than many people could afford/justify for an mp3 player. A $100 price point would make it much more attractive to middle-income people. I think I can probably rationalize the purchase of a $100 mp3 player to myself ;-) (especially an iPod).

feature set (1)

gobbo (567674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836149)

I'd like an mp3/aac/wav/aiff player/recorder 'for the rest of us' -- one to replace my minidisc. I want to be able to record analog to aiff with a line/mic in, I want firewire external disk capability, I want iTunes ease and smart playlists, and I want to slap on accessories like fm transmitters (or a preamp, see above). I only need about 2 gb of storage and I only have about $200CDN to spend on a base unit.

Oh, and I want 12 hours of playtime out of two rechargeable AA batteries, like my minidisc (which also has a motor).

I don't believe in santa anymore so I'm praying to sainT Echno.

Will they remove bloatware requirement? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7836175)

Also, for those of you that don't know, the Evening Standard [thisislondon.co.uk] is owned by the same people who own the Daily Mail [dailymail.co.uk] , a very trashy and sensationalist newspaper, almost as bad as The Sun [thesun.co.uk] (arguably worse as it tries to be a proper newspaper).

I really hope you will just be able to copy files to these new mini iPods with ordinary file management software (i.e. Explorer on Windows, cp and friends) and have them playable on the iPod. I don't want to use iTunes or MusicMatch bloatware, especially as you need Win2k or XP [apple.com] to use iTunes on Windows (and yes, even though Windows 98 has been 'retired' [slashdot.org] , there are still a heck of a lot of people using it. Trust me).

Re:Will they remove bloatware requirement? (1)

valkraider (611225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836314)

Does Windows98 support FireWire?

Daily Telegraph (2, Informative)

scifience (674659) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836199)

According to this post [macnn.com] on MacNN, this was also on the front page of the Daily Telegraph in London, which adds a little more credibility to the story.

# Songs (2, Insightful)

_aa_ (63092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836201)

I dislike the "# Songs" metric (1GB = 200 songs). I understand that a portion of the demographic they're targeting might not know what a megabyte represents, but undoubtedly it's a small percentage of their target market. 800 Songs means little to me, as many songs I listen to are 10 or 15 minutes long. Some songs might be no more than 30 seconds. I also may want to store some songs at higher or lower bitrates than others. Given all the variables that vary within a "Song", I'd rather discuss the exact data capacity in Bytes.

1.44mb Floppy = 0.3 songs
250mb Zip Disk = 50 songs
650mb CD = 130 songs
4.7gb DVD = 940 songs

Too many CDs? (1)

valkraider (611225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836238)

From the article:

It is intended to target people who want a digital music player but do not need one which can hold music from more CDs then most people could ever own

What are they talking about? "Most People" could easily own hundreds of CDs. I am not even a "collector" but since CDs have been around since the 1980's I have over 600... Now do I listen to all of them? Why - yes.... But that's a different discussion... I think many people have more than 800 songs, just no need (spelled not-enough-money) to have more than 800 songs in their pocket....

Flash Based? (1)

Roofus (15591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836241)

If you follow the second link into some depth, there's a claim that the new mini-iPod will be flashed based instead of HD based.

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=334 [appleinsider.com]

Manifest Prophecy (1)

KFury (19522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836248)

Someone submits a rumor too two rumor boards, they report it, look at each other and say 'if they're reporting it too, then it's probably true!"

c|net and others write 'could be...' stories, and then one Macophilic reporter at a random paper (in this case, 'This is London', that bastion of Mac integrity?) writes that Apple 'has announced' the thing, though they say its 'unveiling' will be in a week.

Then Slashdot comes in and says the rumors are now probably true because an 'established paper' claims it as fact.

Bah. [fury.com] We'll see next week.

An iPodjr isn't gonna be that great... (4, Funny)

g_adams27 (581237) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836256)

This sounds like a good thing, but I heard that they're going to replace the regular buttons with chiclet buttons, and you'll have to attach bulky sidecars to it if you want any kind of expansion capability. Plus the headphones will only communicate with the main unit via a poorly designed IR port.

On the plus side, I heard they'll have some great games for it, like "Jumpman", "Zyll" and "King's Quest" by some company called "Sierra On-Line".

"Junior" could still pack other files, though (1)

ianscot (591483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836279)

Article "It is intended to target people who want a digital music player but do not need one which can hold music from more CDs then most people could ever own."

And for the people who actually use all those gigs of space, it won't be a replacement backup tool. That wouldn't stop others from treating it like a glorified floppy, though.

800 songs is still some serious space. My 10gb model has, let's see -- 974 songs, with 5.5gb open right now. This'd obsolete my sister's keychain hard drive collection, at any rate.

I for one (1)

PHlLlPY (670556) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836290)

am almost giddy about the prospect of being able to buy a cheap iPod as I have been putting off buying a full-blown one since they firtst came out.
I already marked my calendar for Job's keynote speech next week so that I can finally know if this rumor is actually correct.
to me the price just seems too low, so perhaps the rumor sources got it wrong in that it might cost $100 LESS than the current ipods? that would put it at $200 and be in the same price range as that latest Rio that has 1.5gig of storage.
Other thought, but less likely is that it might only play AAC files downloaded AND bought from the iTunes store. But I am sure that we will all work day and night to crack that restriction... "deAAC"
Or maybe it is more of an empty shell type of player that you can upgrade the onboard flash memory with a microdrive for storage up to 1-2 gigs...
Well that is enough speculation until next week

substantial? (1)

dawker (735146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836304)

Its possibly not more substantial as these kind of papers would happily read something akin to the previous /. story and merrily report it as fact.

This just in... (4, Interesting)

computerme (655703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836309)

Apple will own the MP3 market in few months:

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/12/30.1. sh tml

As soon as apple ships the ipod jr at the price points suggested then they will probably take all 5 top selling spots on the list. Not many people are going to be buying a "iriver" with 128mbs when they can get a iPod that holds 800 songs for the same price AND get the itunes music store AND the ID of ipods AND the ease of use that apple gives them... ...

The 10GB Apple iPod ($299) reportedly edged out the cheaper 128MB Digitalway ($140) in overall sales, with the remainder of the iPod models also being well represented:

1. 10GB iPod ($299)
2. 128MB Digitalway ($140)
3. 20GB iPod ($399)
4. 128MB iRiver ($119.99-$139.99))
5. 40GB iPod ($499)

The real question... (1)

neelm (691182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836354)

...will it have a user replacable battery?

This is amazing... (1)

Osrin (599427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836358)

2004 is going to be the year of the device! finally we're starting to see prices and functionality that we can all afford and make use of.

I'm an owner of a current IPod, it would have been naive of me to imagine that it would not be undercut in price and out paced in terms of functionality within 12 months.

Now all I want is an affordable video version.

Another Mac rumor! (1)

rjelks (635588) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836361)

Shhhhhhh. I just read about a secret version of OSX that can run on a PC! Apple has been developing it along side the PowerPC version. It's codename is "Marklar" or something like that.

Seriously, I'd love a $100.00 ipod, but I'll believe it when I see it.

.

Of all the Apple rumors that go around... (1)

o-hayo (700478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836369)

please, please, let this one be true.

It seems Apple has been listening to everyone who "would buy an iPod, but not for $300 - maybe for $200 - and at $100-150, where do I sign?"

Having an mp3 player with a storage choice from at-or-less-1G to 40G is a smart move. Hopefully this puts the features people want with the storage size they can afford/feel comfortable paying. I'm very eager to see if this comes true or not. If it does I'll be ordering one for sure, I bought the gf a 10gig last march and she loves it but I've been hesitant to buy one myself as having $800 or more invested in portable players (after accessories, extra dock or two, cases, etc) just doesn't sit right with me.

If I can pick up a 1g `pod for at or near $100, my only other question is where do I sign?

Bogus Article - Apple Legal Team are going to have (1)

xirtam_work (560625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836379)

I have emailled the Evening Standard and The Telegraph about their articles. It appears that they were based upon a rumour that has been reported by Reuters. Seeing as The Telegraph carried this story on the front page of their print newspaper I expect to see many red faces over this. The Evening Standard went further in their article which said that Apple had made an announcement, which they clearly haven't. I hope as well as getting my letters printed in the newspapers (which I'm hopeful of) that Apples' legal team will be in touch with the papers and we'll see a apology in print within days. It is really bad for a paper of record such as The Telegraph to print unsubstainiated drivel like this. Where were the fact checkers during this?

"more then normal people own"? (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7836383)

Jobs statement ( if true ) is rather silly, as I own enough to fill more then 40gb easily.. ( over 500 cds + countless LP's from the 70s/80s ) I cant imagine I'm that much different then many ( especially if you can drop 500 bucks on an Ipod )

However 2gb is more than useable on the road.. as who needs to *carry* around more then 30 some odd albums at a time..

If they really do hit the streets @ 100 USD count me in for 2 ( in case apple is reading /. )
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