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First Stereograms of Mars from Spirit

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the gladly-the-cross-eyed-bear dept.

Space 402

An anonymous reader writes "NASA has made the first stereo image pairs from Spirit available. I've made stereo anaglyphs and arranged the full-size images side-by-side for stereo viewing. These are from the low-res black and white hazard avoidance camera, but still very cool. Anxiously awaiting the first stereo pairs from the panoramic cameras!"

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402 comments

I just don't get it (5, Funny)

Taboo (263223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878143)

I've been crossing my eyes for half an hour and I still can't see any damn beagle!

Re:I just don't get it (1, Funny)

inf0rmer (545195) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878200)

Are you patting your leg and crying out "Here boy!"? I find that usually works. You might have to wait a while for it to find its way back to you though ;)

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878404)

You are just not funny. Get lost.

kinta no daibouken! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878205)

aru hi kinta ga aruite iru to
utsukushii o hime sama ga nigete kita
warui hito ni nee ima owarete iru no
onegai, kinta mamotte

kinta mamotte
kinta ma-motte
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Re:kinta no daibouken! (-1, Troll)

Dahan (130247) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878339)

kinta matataita?
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Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878255)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special.

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878326)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special..

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878343)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special...

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878353)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special....

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878372)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special.....

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878420)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special......

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878435)

Why can't the EUnuchs do anything right? Probably because they're gay.

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878427)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special.......

Re:I just don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878445)

Americunts are funny. They send failure after failure into space and the one time they get it right, they think they're totally special........

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878182)

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similar article (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878157)

I saw a writeup of this recently over at tubgirl tech archive [tubgirl.com]

red and green (0, Flamebait)

rpj1288 (698823) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878162)

Looks good! I don't really see why you put up those red and green pictures though. I don't think many people get those out of their cerial boxes anymore... Wait.. What's this? OOO, stereo glasses! Cool!

Re:red and green (0)

fastgood (714723) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878252)


see why you put up those red and green pictures

The average person is more likely to own a pair of those glasses than to recognize that Mars is the Red planet.
But they all seem to know that Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus ...

Re:red and green (1)

diverman (55324) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878431)

I had mine. Came with a DVD I got on Mars. Although, the red/blue 3D method sucks royally! Never liked it. The best 3D glasses I've seen are the polarized ones that I first saw in Captain EO at Disney Land.

The cross-eyed method is the best in this situation, IMHO.

-Alex

I swear on one of the closeups of the lander... (-1)

BurKaZoiD (611246) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878164)

...it clearly says "Made in Japan"

Maestro (1)

SteakandcheeseUm (191173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878171)

But how do I get this to work with Maestro?

Re:Maestro (3, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878243)

you dont yet, they will release detailed imagery and data updates packages as it they are constructed.

Check back on their website - they estimate about one update per week.

Extremely cool (5, Informative)

ebob (220513) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878173)

The parallel approach works for me and it's very cool. Much better than the ugly red/blue tint that you get with the anaglyphs. The cross-eyed approach just makes my eyes hurt.

You just have to let your eyes relax and just sort of nudge the two images into convergence.

The only problem is convincing your friends and family that it works and trying to instruct them how to do it.

Re:Extremely cool (1)

rhetoric (735114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878204)

agreed. this is very cool to see, even if they are rather small images. as far as viewing them, it's just like a 'magic eye' book. that might be a good way to explain it to your friends or family.

Re:Extremely cool (1)

ebob (220513) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878223)

They never could see those either.

Re:Extremely cool (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878291)

Magiceye is way cool! check this one out: Mars Magiceye [thaworx.co.uk]

Re:Extremely cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878318)

Haha very cool. I hadn't seen that before!

Re:Extremely cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878359)

Why oh why did I click on that...

Re:Extremely cool (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878407)

Some people also don't have the ability to use them as they have no stereo depth perception. We used to test for spatial ability for using stereoscopes, as it was essential for doing certain tasks with aerial photography. It wasn't uncommon for people to get no concept of depth at all even when they were seeing two disparate images perfectly aligned, that others would see in 3D. These people without fail could not see Magic Eye illusions either.

Some other people who COULD use the stereoscope couldn't see magic eye images either, but that's just a case of not being able to manually align the images, where it was automatic with the stereoscope.

Re:Extremely cool (1)

NoData (9132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878285)


I always thought the letting-your-eyes-relax (vergence movement) so that the two images overlap binocularly (a la random dot stereograms) WAS the cross-eyed approach. But you seem to describe it as the "parallel approach" Can you elaborate?

Re:Extremely cool (2, Interesting)

FlunkedFlank (737955) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878376)

Yeah, I always thought that too! The interesting thing about this set of images and that once you can see the parallel images in 3D you can look over a bit and see the cross-eyed images as well, and they're inverted 3D. (furthest point closest.) Seeing that made me realize the difference between the two techniques: the ordering of the images. In the parallel technique I think the proper image is going to each eye (right to right, left to left), but in the cross-eyed approach it's reversed. (I think, anyway, and I might have that backwards.)

Re:Extremely cool (5, Informative)

helix400 (558178) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878380)

If you put your finger 3 inches from your eyes, and stare at it, your eyes will look and feel crossed. That's how it will sorta feel if you do the cross-eyed method. If you stare far away, say, at a distant landmark, your eyes do the opposite of crossing, they spread out. This is sorta how parallel feels.

For more detail, the parallel is where your left eye looks at the left image, and your right eye looks at the right image (which is why they call it parallel, if you were to draw lines from your eyes to the picture they're looking at, you'd have to parallel lines).

The cross-eyed is the opposite. If you were to draw lines from eyes to picture, you'd see them cross.

In my opinion, cross-eyed method is easiest. If you can cross you eyes on two images, and you have enough eye control to force one "phantom" image to lay on top of another "phantom" image (from your other eye), bingo, it'll automatically work. It also has the nice bonus of being able to "touch" what you see. It also lets you cross-eye stuff many many inches apart, while parallel only lets you do maybe 3 inches max.

Re:Extremely cool (4, Interesting)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878388)

Most people preferentially free fuse cross-eyed: the right eye focuses on the left-hand image and vice versa. Some people, however, can free fuse in parallel: the right eye focuses on the right-hand image, the left eye on the left-hand image. Colleagues of mine who could do both told me that parallel fusion gave them less of a headache than cross fusion.

Re:Extremely cool (1)

FlunkedFlank (737955) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878434)

Not only does the parallel method give less of a headache, it gives no headache. (To me in any case.) I can't hold cross-eyed stereograms for more than 10-20 seconds without going mad, but once you get a lock in parallel mode you can basically look at a stereogram forever until you get bored of it.

Re:Extremely cool (1)

NoData (9132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878405)


I'm going to gauchely reply to myself and say you must be right....doing the magic eye style reconvergence thing looks MUCH better on the second and third images (makes more optical "sense") -- the ones the page descibes as intended for "parallel approach" viewing---than on the first two, which the page describes as intended for "cross-eyed approach" viewing. I must have had my L/R info switched. And, on introspection, it makes sense that magic eye approach involves refocusing past the plane of the picture, so you're making a lateral vergence movement (eyes more "parallel"). I can even imagine doing the opposite for the cross-eyed approach.

give me stereo streaming... (0)

Soulfarmer (607565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878176)

Still pictures? Nah, let me see some video from there? No? Didn't think so... no stereo streaming available.

Re:give me stereo streaming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878188)

The probe was launched after Win Amp5 was released, NASA simply could not wait for it to do a nice NSV Tools and shoutcast stream.

Damn it (5, Funny)

Pyro226 (715818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878189)

Damn it, I was almost being productive. But now I have to run around looking for my red and blue glasses.

Re:Damn it (1)

Pyro226 (715818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878225)

Oh well, it was worth it at least. It was kind of hard to get it to work because the green 'bled' through the red side of the glasses, giving me somewhat of a double image, but when I did get my eyes to focus it was pretty cool.

Even with the 3D I couldn't find any lost dogs though.

Stereograms from Mars (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878191)

Look even better when you are running Windows XP

In Stereo? (0)

R33MSpec (631206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878193)

First Stereograms of Mars from Spirit

Thanks, but i'll wait for Lucasfilm to release the THX version - should be good!

Re:In Stereo? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878327)

mod parent down for gay sig

Mars: Reach out and touch it. (3, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878194)

Everytime I look at those new images, I can't help but just think how simple it would be to just send a craft over there and do a maned mission.

Surly it would be a lot easer then for sailers to sail around the world in the 1500s in comparison today. I think the technology is there, all we need is some human drive with those willing to risk their own life. Of course, the US...which based all of our major achivements is based on risk. But now days, the mere thought of death will totally can a project.

Personally, I would love to take a trip to mars. To hell with the "risks". To me, it would be worth it!!

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878269)

Simple? Haven't you been paying attention to how many probes we have lost trying to get there?

We need a much better success rate before we attempt a maned flight.

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (5, Funny)

m00nun1t (588082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878279)

It's amazing how simple things seem when you don't have to do it.

You're in management, right? ;)

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878301)

You'd think it was worth it only if you survived.

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878320)

Just consider the distance to Mars and the time it takes to get there. Then consider the fact that you'd have to come back.

Even if there are people suicidal enough to volunteer for a one way trip, such a mission would never be approved because it's unethical. And from a purely objective standpoint, a suicidal team wouldn't have the emotional stability required on task of this magnitude. I certainly don't want to pack a bunch of lunatics/naive adventurers on a mission to Mars.

Saying that sending a human mission to Mars is simple doesn't make you a visionary, but actually very shortsighted.

Give me a pickin break! (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878354)

The trip to Mars is childs play compared to the longest Human durration on Mir. Valeriy Polyakov spent 483 days in that tin can between January 1994 and March 1995. And your going to tell me it can't be done!!!

And don't give me that Emotional stability crap. I've heard of submariners spend more time underwater. And they mind you, are doing just fine.

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878364)

"Surly it would be a lot easer then for sailers to sail around the world in the 1500s in comparison today."

Well the sailors in the 1500s had O2 and didn't have to worry about radiation and micrometors and they didn't have to worry about losing bone mass and muscle mass during the trip.

And if they needed more food, they could fish or find an island or other land mass.

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878400)

But they did have to worry about food, weather...and praying to God their sea charts where on target. Sounds like a big of a risk to me. Oh ya, lets not foret illness to.

One way is easy. (4, Interesting)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878402)

A one way trip I am sure would be do-able. Leaving out the "get back home" part makes things MUCH more simple. However, even if the line of volunteers was a mile long, todays policitally correct enviornment and would not let the brave souls make the trip. I think NASA should throw the idea of a "one-way mission to Mars(TM) in three years" into the news and see what happens.

Re:Mars: Reach out and touch it. (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878439)

A risk is inherent in such a task, there are problems making it a manageable risk and what levels are acceptable. 90%? 10%? 50%? 1%? People can complain about the possibility that the project would only kill people purely by trying this. People die all the time, and while not doing interesting things. I'd just like to know what the benefits will be.

Making sure that someone can get there, without being irradiated, with enough food to last the round trip (or one way, and send the return trip food ahead in a different vehicle).

I assume it is being worked on, the biggest problem is money and what is expected in return.

As soon as you start talking figures, you'll have people yipping that the money should be spent on social programs instead. I do have a problem with that, I mean while social programs make us feel good, they do help people to an extent, but so many social problems have no monetary fix.

Damn, and I had my little 3d glasses RIGHT here... (1)

Pavan_Gupta (624567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878197)

No, really, I did! But then the evil martian creatures came and ate them up, I guess i'll just have to wait for the next applejacks cereal box that has those glasses for me. Sad =\

Other 3-D sets (5, Interesting)

imac_mafia (560917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878198)

Hmm. I submitted my own 3-D composites, but mine were rejected and these accepted. But if you'd like to see more of Mars in 3-D, my own stereoscopic pairs are posted here on Re:zine [rezine.org] (Sunday, Jan. 4th, 'Mars In 3-D!'). The last of the four is artificially colorized using color samples from previous Mars expedition photos. Enjoy!

Re:Other 3-D sets (5, Funny)

Blahbbs (587167) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878280)

My mind thanks you.... My eyes curse you.

Re:Other 3-D sets (1)

paganizer (566360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878365)

Ditto. I didn't submit it as a topic, just posted in the last discussion: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=91495&cid=7873 622

SO which one of us was REALLY first?

Who needs HDTV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878207)

Screw HDTV, we need 3DTV. All those "megablaster 3d goggles" systems aside, looking at these pictures (which presumably came from just two cameras?) their clarity and sense of being there was cool! Either that or my brain has been defeated by pervasive use of mpeg/jpeg compression for everything (TV, Cable, Internet) I have never felt more like I was on mars (well, there was that one time at that bar, but I digress).

If have you have any doubts that 3DTV will one day happen, just think of the possibilities for pr0n (and remember that all technological advances have been subverted to distribute pictures of naked people faster. ;^)

--Robert

Well, Thank you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878208)

Now that I'm completely fucking blind, I'm sure my week will go a lot smoother now.

I have three eyes... (0)

hkfczrqj (671146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878209)

...so I can't see in stereo, you insensitive clod!

Re:I have three eyes... (0, Offtopic)

imac_mafia (560917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878333)

You have two options: either look at one image with two eyes and the second image with one eye, or else close or cover one eye while looking at the images with the other two.

Wow, just wow (4, Funny)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878210)

I was looking at those while installing windows2k. After crossing my eyes to see thhose, i tried to read the ms EULS and i'm now blind. thanks /. and ms.

Re:Wow, just wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878288)

You aren't funny.

Neat (1)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878215)

OK, I really don't care/know that much about astronomy, etc.
But these pictures are just cool looking.

anaglyph (2, Informative)

sharph (171971) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878219)

I do have 3-D glasses. I don't understand why hes using JPEGs. They just introduce ghosting. Especially with the darker ones.

PNGs are good for this sort of thing.

I believe JPEG also has a RGB mode which will eliminate ghosting.

Re:anaglyph (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878347)

I don't understand why hes using JPEGs.

Maybe because he's posting many dozens of images on a single page on a slashdotted server?

Stereo images (5, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878221)


If you have an nvidia card with the latest 3D stereo drivers you can run 3D LCD shutter glasses (assuming your monitor can run ~120 hz or better) and view JPS images in "real" 3D. All JPS images are are 2 JPGs side by side which the viewer splits in half and displays one half at a time per screen refresh.

I've made a few of my own JPS images simply by taking two pictures with my digital camera a few centimeters offset and combining the two resulting JPGs into one JPS file.

Re:Stereo images (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878374)

You can do it ghetto style by alternating the left/right images rapidly too. There's some flicker, but it creates the illusion of depth.

Geek Pr0n (4, Funny)

Quirk (36086) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878224)

heavy breathing, drooling and a tingling sensation...pure geek pr0n

I also... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878228)

knitted you this sweater!

I'll ask (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878230)

Okay, where can I get some blue and red 3D glasses in this day and age? Preferably some big retail store so I don't have to go through mail order. Does someone know of a cheap book at Borders or Barnes and Noble with a pair of glasses in them?

Re:I'll ask (1)

sharph (171971) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878275)

Check your local dollar store.

Re:I'll ask (1)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878289)


You can get this DVD [amazon.com] about the dark side of technology (or really bright, depending on how you think of it.)

I, for one, like the Mars technology better.

Re:I'll ask (3, Informative)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878325)

Okay, where can I get some blue and red 3D glasses in this day and age?

The August 1998 issue of National Geographic came with two pairs, ironically enough to view stereo images as taken by NASA's last successful Mars lander, Pathfinder.

That's what I used to view the current images. So if you know someone with a National Geographic collection dating back that far you can borrow them, or if you're really keen you can head down to your local library, find the issue in question (hopefully with at least one pair of the glasses still inside), take it to an available library internet terminal, bring up the page in question, and view away.

Yaz.

Re:I'll ask (2, Funny)

shivianzealot (621339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878369)

So if you know someone with a National Geographic collection dating back that far you can borrow them, or if you're really keen you can head down to your local library, find the issue in question (hopefully with at least one pair of the glasses still inside), take it to an available library internet terminal, bring up the page in question, and view away.

I just used a Tostitos bag and a coat hanger.

Please don't mod me as funny...

In a day and age like this... (4, Insightful)

lynxuser (737950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878232)

In the age of HDTV, MPEG4, and THX; I am glad to know that stereo images still play a role in science. *g*

Black and forking White?!?! (1)

ArmorFiend (151674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878258)

Where did they buy this thing, the 1960s? Jeez, once you spend the first 9 $crillion, you'd think they'd throw in the extra ten bucks for color navigation cameras!

Re:Black and forking White?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878410)

I dont think its an issue of the cameras not being capable, but rather the bandwidth required to send pictures back in color.

Anyone know the stereo separation on these? (1)

pla (258480) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878261)

Judging by the way they "hurt" to focus on (I can usually do stereograms with little difficulty), I'd guess these result from the camera rotating about an axis behind the field of view (thus making them divergent rather than convergent pairs). But do they at least match the human 6.5cm separation, or something radically different?

Re:Anyone know the stereo separation on these? (2, Informative)

srw (38421) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878433)

30cm with 1 degree toe-in. Ya, close stuff can hurt a bit to view.

The REAL First Stereo Images (1)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878266)

Not to be a party pooper or anything , but I made stereo images earlier on today.

Posted 1-28 gmt [slashdot.org]

as did someone else shortly after (who put together a website)

posted 4-46 [slashdot.org]

sad thing is that the guy that made the website did a better job of the one that hit the headlines.

The poster is getting credit for First stereogram pairs when someone else got their first.( I made the first one posted on slashdot) and the other guy made more images, a website and an article first but got rejected...

nick....

HOW ?!?! I cant see these damm things (1)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878273)

OKAY, maybe it was all the years of wearing a patch on my eyes, seriously I can NEVER see these things by crossing my eyes, sticking my finger up my nose, etc.

BUT what I do have is a vintage (circa 1890) Stero viewer, can these images be used in one of those ?
I figured Id ask before I spend 3 hours in my asbestos laden attic looking for it, hate to shorten my life if its not gonna let me see the scape in 3D

Re:HOW ?!?! I cant see these damm things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878321)

You're not alone -- I can never make these, magic eyes, or any other variant like them work. I suspect only the simpletons whose sensory perception can be easily deceived can fall for them*.

*-That last line was just having a bit of fun. I hope the simpletons don't take it seriously.

A FAKE?!?!? (4, Funny)

crazyhorse44 (242315) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878278)

It looks like they dropped this Mars explorer out somewhere between Palmdale and Lancaster, CA. In fact... I think I can make out a meth-lab trailer in the distance.

Re:A FAKE?!?!? (1)

WhiteBandit (185659) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878361)

Because obviously, the Mojave Desert has no plant life [google.com] in it.

Anaglyphs? (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878281)


Isn't that what they call tatoos on your...

Almost every picture from Spirit is a pair (3, Interesting)

Thagg (9904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878310)

I had found a page of the raw images from Spirit earlier today, and every picture from the rover was one of a pair -- it makes sense, because all the cameras are stereo cameras. It was really quite interesting to see the images in 3D as it showed that the ground has gently rolling hills (dune-like) and is not nearly as uniformly flat as it appears in the monocular images.

Note that the cameras are about a foot apart in most cases, about 5 times the spacing between your eyes, so the 3D is exaggerated by the same amount (alternatively, you can think that it makes the world look 5 times as small.) It's amazing what the third dimension gives you.

Sadly, the amount of JPEG compression on these early images adds a huge amount of noise, that isn't apparent in the single images but makes the stereo pair look very noisy indeed. One would hope that once the high-gain antenna is configured, they can start sending far less compressed images.

The other sad thing is that I lost the URL of the raw images page :(

thad

Is that you... (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878311)

Bowie J. Poag? Yeah, I remember using propaganda on RH6.x Gnome/E. Its cool enough, think these could make it into gnome desktops? Especially when they start getting color pics. Sometimes I use Earthrise.jpg from the apollo missions.

What's most interesting to me is ... (3, Interesting)

FlunkedFlank (737955) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878315)

... that you can see the extent to which the airbags are still inflated, and get a sense of which egress route is better than others. At least one of those airbags is still quite puffed up.

I prefer the parallel images to the cross-eyed ones. Crossing your eyes just hurts, but relaxing them and focusing them offscreen doesn't at all, you can do it forever practically if you can get a lock on the right amount to relax.

Debian and the Spirit Mars lander (0, Funny)

Debian Troll's Best (678194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878323)

These are some truly amazing images of the surface of Mars, and I think we can all afford to give the hard working engineers and scientists at NASA a virtual pat on the back for a job incredibly well done. NASA has been faced with some pretty severe budget cuts over the past 10 years, so looking for ways to trim costs while maintaining quality has been an area of particular interest at NASA. I was lucky enough a few years back to do a summer internship at the Software Engineering and Development Division of NASA after I completed my undergraduate degree in computer science and socialist history and politics....which put me in a perfect position to introduce them to the cost saving wonders of Debian! Let me tell you how.

Traditionally, a major problem with deep space probes has been developing a reliable way of retrieving image data from the probe. Things like cosmic rays, planetary obstruction and remote DoS attacks have traditionally meant that space probe software needed to be about 80% overbloated with proprietary algorithms for dealing with this stuff, and not the core business of transferring images back to Earth. During a planning session with my supervisor one day, it came clear to me what the solution could be...apt-get! Really, these space probes are nothing more than abstracted file servers making new 'image packages' available for download from time to time. apt-get had all the infrastructure that was needed, without needing to spend months coding up expensive proprietary NASA protocols to do the same thing.

In about a week, I had hacked together an apt-get prototype, using a modified apt.sources file which stored astronomical coordinates instead of IP addresses. When the ground controllers issued an 'apt-get spirit image upgrade' command, apt-get would check the apt.sources file, which contained the continually updated coordinates of the probe. Using a custom Z80 assembly language plugin I had developed, apt-get would then directly contact the telemetry and radio gear, align the dish in the correct orientation, and then update the packages from the space probe!! Since the images were encapsulated as a .deb package, they were nicely compressed, and could be checked if they were the latest version. A lot of people don't know thing (including some of the NASA top brass!) but the Spirit probe actually has a mini-ITX form factor PC motherboard inside the probe which runs a Perl script I developed to package up the image data as .debs ready for apt-get synchronisation back with Earth!! Ever wonder why that company that makes shoe-box ITX PCs is called 'Shuttle'? ;-) Me and some of the guys in the engineering group secretly removed a few experimental pods to fit the PC in, but we can just blame the non-functioning state of those experiments on the fact that they were running Windows CE! LOL!!!

So, the next time you see a news article about the Spirit Mars probe, take pride in the fact that Debian and apt-get are behind the scenes, making it all happen!!! apt-get touchdown!!!

Analglyphs (1)

myklgrant (529062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878331)

Now I have to spend the next few days trying to find a pair of blue/red glasses. Should have planned ahead. Still - very cool, thanks for the pairs. Michael

Stereo Analglyphs? (1)

KNicolson (147698) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878346)

Hah, you're not catching me with that disguised link to goatse.cx in 3D!

Surely I can't be the only person who thought that when reading the story?

Punch it! (1)

gleekmonkey (737957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878363)

Now where's that big red NOS button?

Why are we doing this? (0, Flamebait)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878377)

Oh, I know this will elicit lots of venom, but I'm wondering why we (the United States) as a nation are funding these types of billion dollar excursions. This is not "basic science", wonderful pictures of the Martian surface are not going to extend or increase anything but our knowledge of what kind of rocks are on the surface of Mars. These things, while interesting, will not solve any great national debates, increase out overall knowledge of the universe, or get us any closer to the useless inevitability of putting a human on Mars. These incredible landers do nothing more than allow a few dozen very smart scientists to write masters and doctors' theses. Is there a better way to spend this kind of public cash on something more valuable to more people? A much better place to spend this kind of cash would be on a successor to the Shuttle.

Re:Why are we doing this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878429)

When was the shuttle accident?
When was this mission launched?

Now hush up and go back to whining about something else nobody around here cares to hear.

A good way to view the side by side images (5, Funny)

Dag Maggot (139855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878384)

Take two toilet paper spindle tubes and place one over each eye. Then put the tubes in contact with each image. This ensures that each eye is only viewing the correct image.

When your wife/GF comes in asks what the hell you are doing- tell her you are looking for martians on the Intra-Web. Watch her leave the room- quickly.

Cross eyed vs. parallel stereo vision? (1)

Schemer (717) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878390)

Can anyone explain the difference between parallel and cross eyed stereo vision?

oh joy! (1)

BortQ (468164) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878392)

Yippee, the very first images to be available.

Forgive me if I wait for the best or some interesting ones before I bother to look.

NASA has lost the edge to the ESA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7878418)

Seems that NASA has actually lost the edge in robotic space exploration. Remember this little gem of a story [slashdot.org] submitted by someone from Switzerland and posted by Michael(who else).

Why does this seem familiar? (2, Informative)

blair1q (305137) | more than 10 years ago | (#7878426)

Didn't Popular Science publish 3-D photos taken by the Viking mission to Mars [nasa.gov] in the 1970s?

Oh, by the way, here's the link I found that page at [nasa.gov] . Just leave the Karma on the dresser.
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