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Extensive Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the looking-under-the-hood-kicking-the-tires dept.

Debian 126

Ms Pacman writes "This article is the fifth and final installment of Barry Smith's series on Debian-based commercial distros in a Small Office/Home Office (SOHO) environment. In this in-depth article, the newly released Xandros Deluxe 2.0 is being reviewed and compared to all previous distros Barry Smith used and reviewed the past 2-3 months. Of special interest is the blurb about Xandros' customer support."

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126 comments

ep (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7880967)

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JESUSGEEKS IS BACK! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881274)

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Come on! Lets show that asshole what trolling means!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7880968)

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YOU SUCK IT!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881028)

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Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881156)

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Hello Slashdot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7880980)

I'm an overpaid Indian programmer from Pakistan. My work is outsourced from the United States of America. I have a Masters Degree in Computer Science and I work for Microsoft developing proprietary closed-source software that earns me and my family of 8 people many many thousands of dollars per year. I sleep happy at night knowing that somewhere in Americam, there is a lonely, fat, virgin geek with no job who is stuck writing open-source Linux crapplications for no pay. Oh yes and Praise Allah!

FACTUALLY INCORRECT (-1, Flamebait)

Vint Cerf (713706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881022)

Everybody knows that all Indians worship the Hindu god ELEPHANTOR!! , not that pussy Allah.

Re:FACTUALLY INCORRECT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881288)

Religion... it it good, or is it whack?

Cost (-1, Troll)

orionware (575549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7880982)

It's a shame that it wasn't free for download. What happened to a tried and true business model.

1) first one is always free
2) get everyone the block hooked
3) PROFIT!

Re:Cost (-1, Troll)

kewsh (655090) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881008)

that was lost when the great oxycontin boom hit here in KY. NO PILLS ARE FREE and so your shitty software isnt either

Re:Cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881248)

Problem is that you can't get people 'hooked' on packaging. There's no Linux distro that could ever really hook users, because there's many other choices that are largely the same, give or take some utils/packaging/menus/themes/whatever. Sure you want to standardise on one choice, but you're not locked in. That's the point ain't it. There's no real hook there.

The only way I can see people getting nicely baited and hooked would be if a distro-maker actually had some guts to customise things more, stop packaging so much shit, break a bit of compatibility, and stop rehashing the latest versions of the same old stuff release after release. Hmmm, kinda like Apple. They took the FreeBSD distro and did something genuine with it, and it gets users hooked.

Re:Cost (0, Offtopic)

orionware (575549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882923)

That's what I like about slashdot.

Sometimes wishing something was free and open gets you an "Interesting" or "Insightful"

Sometimes you are labelled a troll.

Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (5, Insightful)

CreamOfWheat (593775) | more than 10 years ago | (#7880983)

The fact that the distros are competing among themselves as much as with Windows is disturbing; the linux market will only grow significantly if a large number of windows users get interested in Linux. If won't make much difference to Xandros that all Lindows users defect to them but it will be some effort. But any small number of Windows users adopting Linux will make a BIG difference. Granted distros still compete against each other to get the biggest slice of these new customers. But normally, industry lobbies (ever heard about the Agro business ?) fight united to make their common market bigger and make internal competition less cutthroat. Linux companies (and the author) don't seem to get it.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (5, Insightful)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881020)

but, this competition isn't particularily harmful - many publish their tools under the GPL to give back to the community, just as they all will use pretty much the same software underneath the packaging.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (2, Interesting)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881128)

but, this competition isn't particularily harmful

i disagree.

currently we are in a position where the big distros are fighting it out for a bigger chunk of the existing linux market pie at the expense of other distros. a better tactic might be to go after the 90 % (or whatever) of the market that is using windows[1] by presenting a united front (or at least the semblance thereof)

let's grow the pie instead of fighting over the crumbs.

notes: 1. except for, oddly enough, sun - who seem to be doing a great job of carving out chunks of redmond's turf for jds.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881244)

If you believe in what you are saying why don't you start a business that does it?

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (2, Insightful)

kj0rn (731521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881319)

but, this competition isn't particularily harmful

i disagree.

I disagree with you sir ;-)

Competition is always a good thing, even with in the Linux world, it means each distro is getting better and better.

john.e.boy

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (2, Insightful)

mrscott (548097) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881475)

I understand what you're saying, but consider this: there are dozens of distros out there that are claiming to be the nest best Linux desktop. Sure, there are only a half a dozen true contenders for mind share. However, to someone who doesn't understand the Linux market, Lindows, Xandros, Red Hat, etc, etc, etc all look like companies offering different products. Yeah, they're different but built for the same purpose.

Consider also the development efforts going on. Each distro is customized to a certain extent meaning that there is a lot of duplicate effort going on.

I'm not saying this is necessarily BAD, but what I WOULD like to see are some commonalities at some point. OpenOffice is a good start - now, ditch KOffice and apply those resources to making OO even better. That kind of thing.

Desktop choice is getting better, but a typical user doesn't care about KDE vs. Gnome - they just want their computer to work so they can do their jobs. Take the best of both KDE and Gnome and create a great desktop environment (a la Red Hat to a certain extent).

There is such a thing as too much choice - I think that is part of what has the potential to hinder Linux uptake.

Inevitability (2, Interesting)

C.Batt (715986) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882063)

Right now, the insane variety of choices available is just a sign of the relative immaturity of the solutions. Unifying at this time would be detrimental to the overall efforts. I'm all for waiting for the right time. If that means losing the impatient opportunists along the way, then so be it.

For instance, when Linux is really truly ready for the mainstream desktop, when the office software has standardized and the features solidified (for instance), it should be because of an obvious evolutionary progression. There's no need to rush things.

Many statements, yours incluced, seem to make it sound like time is running out on OSS. This is not true. OSS will exist independently of active support and big monetary investment. It started from that state and will return to that state if necessary.

Okay, so the OSS community is not timeless. It would be nice to see OSS become the mainstream in our lifetimes, but that's not a reason to rush into things.

To mangle a famous quote:
"Do you hear that, Mr. Gates? That is the sound of inevitability." -- Agent Tux

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7882353)

No. Don't throw all the eggs in one basket. Look for compatibility among baskets but we want more choice, not less. There will never be a single CD with all the software that works the way everyone wants it to so don't try to build that. It does make sense to do some integration but if you want the best environment for improvements then foster interchange standards.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

malfunct (120790) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882433)

I think you hit on a big key to the computer industry that will make it very hard for linux to overtake windows, and if linux does overtake windows make it incredibly hard for windows to make it back in to the arena.

The key point is this, users in general want to use a single product that works, a commodity. Most people will pick the application that has the most other users provided its at an affordable price to them. Thats why office and windows keep growing in popularity, they work, they are affordable, and TONS of people use it. The economic network affects in the industry are amazing and will be hard to break. For that reason linux must form a united front to collect up lots of users that can all use the same app in nearly the same way in order to bring other users into the fold.

Unfortunately the whole idea of linux is lots of choice and lots of different ways to use it and so the general mainstream user will be fearful of it in general.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

tedgyz (515156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881690)

I disagree. This is amazing similar to the problem in the 90's with Unix Workstation vendors. I was working at the HP/Apollo workstation division. We spent so much time worrying about Sun, SGI, DEC, and IBM, that we had very little time to worry about MS. Furthermore, each Unix flavor was different, making it hard to get a unified market. Although it was not perpetrated by the evil empire, they benefited from the babelonian Unix market.

IMHO, unless all Linux distros band together, MS will most certainly continue to win.

RedHat has had the greatest hope of a unified Linux market, but they seem to be slowing down. They pissed me off when they dropped their low-cost support for the casual users. I am actively seeking an alternate distro to replace my my RH 7.2 server. up2date was the greatest. I am sad to see it go.

Competition is harmful, in this case (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882284)

Too much competition fragments the struggling market. IT only breeds confusion in the people we want to bring on board.

We need one unified platform to be able to truly compete and capture market share away from the 'alternative'.

Later, sure we can have some healthy competition to advance the quality and technology, but now isn't the time.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881048)

The problem with this theory is that Linux is still not quite where it needs to be to be accessible to Joe Six-Pack. This competition is beneficial in that regard as it encourages Linux to evolve more quickly.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (2, Interesting)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881084)

I would have agreed with you up until the point I tried a recent release of Mandrake. I don't think installation and configuration could have been easier.

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

Kent Recal (714863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883411)

Agreed, installation worked like a charme on any recent "user"-distro that I've tried (Mandrake, SuSE). Also the default install tends to be a lot more streamlined today than it once was. Unified desktop themes, less choices, sane menu-entries etc. The progress is very visible. I can very well remember my first contacts with older distros where often you'd be left with a very rudimentary X install and application menus that are cluttered with all kinds of stuff nobody would ever want there (basically /usr/bin/*).
That time is long gone, we now have graphical installers way more sophisticated than anything windows ever had to offer and out-of-the-box installations that "just work".

IMHO Knoppix & co show where it's going next. Installation to disk will be optional. Settings & data will be saved to memory-stick or the like. You can boot your desktop, whereever you are, on any PC. You only have to carry your CD and your memstick with you...

Give it another year of progress at the current (incredible) pace and we'll have a linux desktop more mature and polished than that "OS with the worms, spyware and stuff" that everybody was using back in '04...

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

krogoth (134320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881527)

No no no no no.

Don't we all hate Microsoft because it would rather kill the competition than make good software? Why do Linux distros not need competition to keep them looking for improvements?

Re:Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review (1)

water-and-sewer (612923) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882378)

It's also inevitable, and I for one am glad to see it's happening. More distros means more geeks trying more ways to do things better. Overall, the effect is to improve the product. Neither KDE nor Gnome would be what they each are today without the other to provide competition. It's obvious the current distros are taking cues from each other and improving their own products as a result. Someday the result will be a handful of great distros that can go up against Linux. To me, it's all one big laboratory, and the end result is going to be great.

I don't consider myself a rampant capitalist, but in this case I do favor lots and lots of open competition. It makes everyone stronger by weeding out the weak: the distros that no one is interested in, that don't offer anything interesting/innovative enough to attract a userbase, and so on. Let the distro wars continue! All users win as a result of it.

it looks ok from the review (-1, Redundant)

fozzy(pro) (267441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881015)

Well Xandros looks ok but the revokable part will keep many people from it. Well without appeal part for me in anycase.

Whoop! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881016)

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to make a long story short (4, Insightful)

jest3r (458429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881027)

This review is needlessly long .. when its all said and done Xandros 2.0 didn't make the cut.

Final Decision:

Primary system - Libranet
Secondary system - Lindows

Re:to make a long story short (2, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881392)

The "needlessly long" parts are intended to give a full impression of the distro. He makes it obvious that, while those distros fit his personal needs best, Xandros has strong points and would be the best choice for some users.

Re:to make a long story short (1)

jest3r (458429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881563)

he was just being polite :-)

Re:to make a long story short (1)

weierophinney (410749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881978)

Obviously you didn't follow the entire series of articles -- this was the 5th of 5 reviews of commercial Debian distros the author reviewed. In the first page of this particular one, he even notes that it will be long as he'll be comparing Xandros 2.0 features to those of the other distros he'd reviewed. Admittedly, I think it would have been better to do a shorter review of Xandros, and then a sixth article summing up, but he did make his intentions clear in the intro.

Re:to make a long story short (1)

jest3r (458429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882320)

His intentions may have been good, but as you said:

"Admittedly, I think it would have been better to do a shorter review of Xandros"

I did follow the series and the Xandros review is needlessly long.

Conformality (5, Insightful)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881051)

As nice as it is to have choice one things Windows brings it is a constant. Things normally work on most PC's. With each distro of Linux things aren't the same from one point to another which can be seen as a strength, however if things aren't careful it could come as a bad thing if infighting gets worse. Of course KDE and Gnome do help but in this case standard should be a good thing Rus

Re:Conformality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881159)

Consistantry is important too.

:-O (0)

bsd troll (680181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881779)

constant crashing, lol.

Re:Conformality (2, Interesting)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883036)

As nice as it is to have choice one things Windows brings it is a constant. Things normally work on most PC's. With each distro of Linux things aren't the same from one point to another which can be seen as a strength
Frustration with inconsistencies is one ( just one ) of the things that helped sink Java Applets.

People got fed up wondering if they had the right browser with the right jvm, the right browser version, the right jvm plugin, the right plugin version etc etc.

Steve

Re:Conformality (1)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883404)

As nice as it is to have choice one things Windows brings it is a constant. Things normally work on most PC's.

This is completely true, but it also shows the uphill battle that desktop Linux has. Almost every single PC and PC-compatible device is specifically designed to work with Windows. I pop open the lid on my laptop and there's a little label that says "Designed for Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional." All of the hardware vendors test their devices with various versions of Windows to make sure they work, and correct problems that they find during the testing process. This naturally leads to the way things normally work with Windows. On top of this, most people purchase their PC with Windows pre-installed and never bother to upgrade the OS without buying a new system. This allows the OEM to handle integration testing.

In the case of Linux, the effort falls on the distribution developers to make sure everything works on the plethora of hardware available. This is, of course, absolutely impossible to do. I doubt that even Microsoft would have the resources to test Windows on every conceivable hardware configuration. They rely on the hardware vendors. On the other hand, if you build your own system with parts that are stated by the vendor to work with Linux, or purchase one of the rare "for Linux" systems, you can expect exactly the same experience that Windows users are used to. Things will work just fine right out of the box.

Don't get me wrong. I understand that many people considering switching from Windows to Linux are going to be driven away if things don't work right the first time. But short of some massive effort by Linux enthusiasts to deal with this shortcoming (across multiple distributions), I'm not sure how it can be eliminated.

Ahhh, Xandros? (-1, Offtopic)

baker_tony (621742) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881066)

After looking at the screen shots, don't you mean Windows Xp 2? :-)

Re:Ahhh, Xandros? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881171)

More like Windows XP 1/2

ySlow Down Cowboy!y

Flibble da ddooo No subject (3, Informative)

gantrep (627089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881067)

Screenshots here [xandros.net]

My own experiance with Xandros (-1, Troll)

MooKore 2004 (737557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881070)

I received a copy of Xandros for chirstmas this year. I am already a happy Linux user, with Mandrake 9.2 installed on my main computer.

So I decieded to install Xandros on my VAIO laptop. It started up, it detected it perfectly, including my winmodem and winethernet.

In 20 minutes it was installed, with a wonderful KDE based desktop. All my favourite programs were there, OpenOffice.org, Mozilla, Gimp, Tuxracer ,K3B. You name it, it had it.

I was also very happy with the crossover office included with it. I am now running my favourite Windows apps, includeing Winamp 5, Mirc, Kazaa and Quickshop on it.

It is also incredibly easy to use, I set up an account for my brother, and he thought I had installed Windows XP on my laptop. He was soon enjoying himself, he even got The sims game he got for christmas running on it.

Overall, Xandros is one of the best Desktop linuxen there is. I still got Mandrake on my main computer because of URPMI, but my brother has now deleted the Windows partition on the laptop and is truley a Linux lover!

Re:My own experiance with Xandros (1)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881122)

WinEthernet? I did not know such existed

Re:My own experiance with Xandros (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881176)

"Overall, Xandros is one of the best Desktop linuxen there is."

ARGHGHG! Did you have to say "linuxen"??? And I thought "boxen" was bad!

Re:My own experiance with Xandros (0)

Woy (606550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881194)

Haha didn't any of the mods click his screenshot link??

Re:My own experiance with Xandros (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881398)

Haha didn't any of the mods click his screenshot link??

What's wrong with his screenshot link. That's actually Xandros running. Yes, that's Microsoft Office you see. Xandros includes Crossover Office as a standard feature, so seeing Windows software is a somewhat normal thing.

Or should this have redirected me to large holes or something?

"screenshot link" is BAD BAD BAD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881196)

OMG don't click the link in sig! Troll modded up to +5.

Re:"screenshot link" is BAD BAD BAD (0)

Pizzop (605441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881210)

yeah, someone remove that screenshot link...

Linux Distro Reviews ... (3, Insightful)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881074)

It drives me nuts to think that someone who uses a distro for a little while after an install actually thinks they have the ability to review said distro.

Let me further clarify, all linux distros have a user base (size varies), and in that user base there are many things that bring a distro to its full potential. There are distro specific forums and IRC channels as well as distro specific webpages and 3rd party packaged binaries for specific distros.

You can't possibly learn about a distro completely until you've also had a chance to explore its community surrounding it. Such as debian, redhat, and mandrake I know have special file and community repositories for such things as music ripping and DVD playback. While not included in the distro did you know that with a broadband connection and in one command you can turn your brand new installation into a fully functioning multimedia system?

Then theres the all important part of linux, the security aspect, while some installers download updates in the install perhaps a review of the distributions updater and the time for the updates for security notices to hit the repositories would be nice to have.

I stopped reading OS news because it wasn't anything about actually using operating systems it was just a club of people who wanted to say that they installed every operating system they could get their hands on and they watched it boot.

In closing the last part of this entire article that urked me was that the reviewer didn't even bother to take a look at Knoppix (maybe they did, but it wasn't in the wrapup summary and I'm not searching osnews to find out). If they only want to use an OS for the time it takes to grab a screenshot and find out that something doesn't work just like redhat then possibly knoppix would fit their operating system attention span. At least with knoppix their poor overly formatted harddrive would get a break.

Re:Linux Distro Reviews ... (0)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881155)

Addendum:

Okay so the user did use knoppix, I stand corrected.

So in closing what now urks me is that the user didn't even bother installing Debian Vanilla, there I know mr. point and click didn't do that!

"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (5, Insightful)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881163)

>> You can't possibly learn about a distro completely until you've also had a chance to explore its community surrounding it.

The market these consumer distributions are targetting -- home and corporate desktop users -- have little reason to be aware of any pseudo-community surrounding a distribution. If a distribution requires people to go online and start asking questions before it works, it is a failed distribution.

Linux enthusiasts and hobbyists comprise these so-called communities. These are people who are interested in Linux for its own sake, not as a means to an end. These are the people who will install a new OS just to play with it. On the other hand, pretty much everyone else could care less. For the people these distributions are targetting, Linux is about as interesting as their refrigerator. They don't want to depend on a refrigerator community, either.

Mod Parent Up: Great Point! (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881211)

"If a distribution requires people to go online and start asking questions before it works, it is a failed distribution."

Simply the most insightful post I've seen in a long time. While an extensive community knowledge base is a nice "feature", it shouldn't be necessary to get the distribution to do the basic necessities.

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (1)

RdsArts (667685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881477)

If a distribution requires people to go online and start asking questions before it works, it is a failed distribution.

Perhaps. But perhaps it's a different idea in software.

Consider this. Consider software that is designed by it's very nature to requiring humans to interact, and needs you to converse with other people in a 'community' to fully use it. To become a part of said 'community.'

If we look at the popular programs of the day (IM, most P2P, etc) we see the software is becoming increasingly a thing to try and bring people together to speak. Humans are social animals, but some need a bit of goading to get them to.

I know what your saying, 'but they paid money, why should they have to speak to someone,' and that's just the point. If they have to speak to people, they will then have a network of people, possibly even friends, who will all be using the same system, all be on the lookout for the same security bulletins, all having the same problems with a nasty upgrade, etc.. By requiring human interaction from day one, you have a network of people who will be able to help you when something goes wrong, instantly, and without feeling bad because your just some random passer-by, but rather because you would be asking people you are already familiar with.

Of course, I could be talking completely out my arse...

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (3, Insightful)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881635)

Having access to knowledgable people online is as valuable a resource as having access to the same people offline. But, to follow your argument, receiving the benefits of that online community requires a working OS and apps. As I said, if you need to go online for help before you can get a distribution to work, it is a failed distribution.

Participation in a support community should be an option, not somethig that is required to use a tool effectively.

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882935)

That's all very well and good, but if I paid money for software, then I expect some support from the company or person providing it. I'm not interested in "community", I'm interested in getting on with my business. I don't buy software to interact with people, I buy software to do work.

That, I think, is probably the attitude of most users.

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881501)

Consumers won't install a new operating system so that's an irrelevant point.

Anyone who would actually go to the trouble of installing a new O/S is going to deeply appreciate good communities to help.

I have to agree with the grandparent post that OSNews sucks precisely because people treating O/S's like they were games to be installed and played. Even then, the better reviewers (back when I played games) insisted on playing through the ENTIRE final game before writing a review. These days previews and off-the-cuffs are a dime a thousand.

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (1)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881526)

You missed the point entirely.

What I Was trying to make clear is that you can't base an entire review of a distro by simply ignoring the parts of it that make it better. Even Jo Average Computer user who just happened to install linux is going to do a search with the distros name as the criteria, and when they do, they will more than likely come across this community.

You seem to have no grasp about what these "so-called" communities are. These are regular people throughout the world linked by one common denominator, and that's the distribution of linux that they use. Everyone who has had a linux problem can be assured that there is someone else in the world with the same problem, and on top of that you have a very good chance of finding that someone who already had the problem has a fix, and that's where these "so-called" communities come into play.

Nearly every error I've ever had in linux was solved by a google search and a link to a forum or mailing list repository online. It is this "so-called community" that the answers and support for problems can be easily obtained, especially since the tech support dialogue is right there for you to read.

What boggles my mind is that people truly think that installing a distro and using it for a day gives them the ability to review anything. Besides telling about first impressions, there really isn't much to say. Who would you trust a review from, someone who has had their refridgerator for a year, or someone who bought one yesterday and realized that indeed its cold inside?

Re:"Community" Doesn't Matter To Consumers (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881703)

Don't disagree with your opinion of the shallowness of most Linux reviews. Linux distributions are all essentially the same. They only differ in how badly the distributor has gummed up the works. So, naturally, reviews are shallow and pointless. It's rather like comparing one brand of white bread with another brand of white bread.

I'm not questioning the value of these so-called communties. I said that any distribution that doesn't work until the user goes online for help is a failed distribution.

Why should anyone marketing a Linux distribution be allowed the copout of failing to deliver a working system and failing to provide adequate support and documentation? Pointing users to their "community" might work for geeks and enthusiasts, but it won't work for normal folks.

I disagree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881631)

I have had much help with my linux distro (mandrake) by going to the IRC channel on freenode.net. Whenever I have a problem, I go there and ask my question. I also search on google for my problem. These methods has solved problems I've had with linux. The people there are extremely helpful, and are able to point newbies to the right place. I feel various IRC channels/online newbie pages should be integrated into the help GUI of linux, because that would decrease the amount of knowledge a new user would have to have (i.e. how to connect to an irc channel, which irc channel).

Even if in your eyes the distro would be failed, at least the user would have a good opportunity to go and look for help. Often the hardest part is knowing where to look, because the help systems in linux are sadly lacking in functionality.

I use Xandros 2.0 (4, Interesting)

MaxQuordlepleen (236397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881083)

.. and I like it a lot. I've used it pretty much only on IBM laptops, and the Radeon 3D support is quite lacking. Other than that, it's a dream to work with and use, especially for an experienced Debian user. Xandros has been my primary work desktop since 1.0 and I'm sold.

Besides, as far as I know it's my only option if I want a made-in-Canada distro.

Re:I use Xandros 2.0 (3, Informative)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881152)

Ummm, Libranet is made in Canada....

Re:I use Xandros 2.0 (1)

fiddlesticks (457600) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881292)

> as I know it's my only option if I want a made-in-Canada distro.

Are there any options beside a made-in-Finland distro :)

ah..wait, they're all made in Santa Cruz, California [caldera.com] these days....

Re:I use Xandros 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881368)

Besides, as far as I know it's my only option if I want a made-in-Canada distro.

Linus is Canadian now? I thought he hated hockey [silicon.com]

Libranet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881774)

is also made in Canada

Re:I use Xandros 2.0 (1)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881931)

The Radeon Mobility 3D support is quite lacking everywhere. I guess XiG's Accelerated-X is supposed to be better, and I'm probably going to try that on my laptop at some point soon. Hopefully SuSE doesn't freak out with AccelX installed :)

I also use Xandros 2.0 (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882149)

After trying out Debian itself a month or two ago, I received Xandros 2.0 from my wife for Christmas. I am much happier with it than the author of this review was.

Shipping

We also had some shipping issues. Namely, my family had "Christmas morning" early this year when my sister was in town. Xandros didn't make it in time due to the release delay. I did receive it on December 23, however, the same day that the reviewer did. I too welcomed the manual, and I read almost the whole thing.

Installation

I had no problems whatsoever with the installation. Everything just worked. With the Debian install (my only previous Linux installation), I had a few things that took a few hours of reading on the web before I was confident that I had configured them correctly. As can be expected from an end-user OS like Xandros, everything just worked on its own. I do like that they give the option to tinker, though. I considered partitioning my drive myself, and selected that option. I was pleasantly suprised to be given a graphical partioner, instead of being dumped into fdisk. When I changed my mind, I just hit Back and chose their default.

The reviewer spends two days ranting about how his CD ROM drive didn't work with the default installation, and how Xandros didn't provide support for this on the day after Christmas. Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem like it was nearly a big enough deal to go on about it for that many pages. I know he got better support from another distribution, but that distribution sounds like just one guy. What happens when that guy has a heart attack? This bad experience on install seems to have tainted the whole rest of the review.

Networking

Xandros (well, Samba) is far better than Windows with networking, in my experience. Our home network has six computers - four running Win2k, an old Win98, and my wifes work laptop via WiFi when she brings it home. They connect via a Netgear router and an Intel hub. Using Windows networking, her second Win2k machine can see my second Win2k machine on the network, but I can see hers back. My Win98 machine can see her primary Win2k machine. That's it. Network browsing doesn't find anything else. Searching finds nothing else. We have to manually move the printer cable between computers because the stupid Windows machines can't see each other, and we transfer things between machines using FTP because that's the only thing that works.

With Xandros, I was quite impressed that it autodetected and set up my printer. I was even more impressed when I shared it, and lo and behold, my wife's primary machine saw the printer, configured it, and printed on the first try. We haven't been able to do that with Windows for years.

Windows Compatibility

As someone who is trying to move from Windows to Linux, the compatibility is very important. I am simultaneously moving to OpenOffice, so I don't need to install Word or anything, but I still use other Windows programs (TaxCut, for example) and want those to keep working. I do wish that Xandros had better Windows game support, but I know I can buy WineX for that. (Maybe Codeweavers will work on this eventually.)

Xandros Networks

Other than the limited number of distributions, I have to say that I am quite impressed at this. It worked wonderfully for me for the things that I chose to tinker with. I was also pleased that I was able to immediately go online and get all security updates for everything I had installed. This is one of my big fears about Linux that had kept me from trying it for so long - the knowledge that I didn't know enough to keep it secure without help.

Hardware Support

Quote from the article:

>> I may be wrong, but I don't think I have ever been able to use a Windows box to access a network shared printer that was hooked directly to a Linux box before. Of course, this may simply be evidence of my own ignorance of proper networking. I toss this out for whatever it might be worth to the readers. When I personally need to access a printer I simply stand up, unplug it from one box and plug it into the other box, then sit down and print. So printer sharing is not a deal breaker for me. I truly wonder how many SOHO users have a real need for a LAN? Or network printer sharing?

HAHAHA. This is exactly what I talk about above. It is a major plus for me for Xandros, and he blows it off like no one cares about it.

Summary

In summary, the reviewer picked Xandros on top for
five of the six categories in which he ranked it (for his primary machine).

Then, he chose another OS anyway, due his belief that "...the Xandros tech support is less than stellar and their business judgement worries me." This, of course, relates back to his CD ROM drive not working on first install. He also has issues with their license. Xandows has proprietary software. I know that. I don't hate proprietary software. I work for a company that produces proprietary software. What I want is something that is

A) Not Microsoft.
B) Smooth and pretty well polished
C) Easy for someone like me (technical, but not in a tinker-with-software sort of way) to maintain
D) Compatible, so if I decide that they have become too much like Microsoft, I can drop them and go somewhere else.

Xandros provides everything above for me. Unlike the reviewer, Xandros 2.0 works well for me.

Anyone have a torrent link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881141)

I mean, I support open source and everything, I just can't afford $40 now

One thing he missed (2, Informative)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881168)

He mentions towards the end how happy he is w/ Libranet since nothing in Libranet is proprietary code. As far as I know their (wonderful) XAdminMenu utility is NOT released under the GPL.

Re:One thing he missed (3, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881408)

He never says anything of the sort. He even paraphrases the Libranet EULA as saying, "Hey, this stuff is GPL, except for what isn't. Look at the individual packages to find out which is which. Don't blame us if it blows up your system. Do whatever you want with this stuff, just don't get us in trouble over it." Oviously, he knows there's non-GPL stuff in there.

Re:One thing he missed (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881453)

"Libranet is working on the same thing in a free Debian repository, and stating that it will always remain free."

Has XAdminmenu been released under any sort of license?

Re:One thing he missed (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881498)

I believe he meant free-as-in-beer, in comparison to Lindows' subscription Click-N-Run and rumors of a for-pay Xandros service. Also, Libranet is compatible with standard Debian, so that set of free-as-in-freedom repositories is available as well.

Re:One thing he missed (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881560)

Well, at least this didn't turn into a flame war. Kind of surprising when a disagreement on /. doesn't turn into a flame war :)

Who really is using this? (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881179)

What is the market for the Lindows/Xandors distros? I mean, I know what they describe as their audience, but I don't see much market presence. People who tend to not want to worry about the details of their software ("it just works") seem to be using the Windows that came preinstalled on their systems. The techie crowd seems to have zero interest in these types of distros also. I would be surprised if Lindows and Xandros are still around in two years. It seems the Sun/Novell (Suse) approach of focusing on business desktops has more momentum.

Re:Who really is using this? (3, Informative)

TwinkieStix (571736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883148)

I am that target audience.

I am a professional Java and web (javascript, xslt, CSS) programmer and full time student finishing my BS in Computer Science and a minor in math. I manage my parents Red Hat 7 server/router, and help our sometimes with my company's Red Hat and Debian Servers.

I love linux, but I'm not into spending time tweaking it. I don't play games, or have massive hardware needs. I simply need a stable system that can keep a lot of windows open, I can configure the way I like, and has a powerful shell that I can get around. I'll poke around configuration files to get my winmodem working, but then I'll go to kppp to set up the actual connection. But normally, I set something up that I want to work without having to read a 10 chapter "howto". I bought a used HP laserjet 6 printer so that I won't have to worry about drivers and print head alignment.

I don't like the Windows Registry but I can deal with it, but I much prefer the /etc folder. Webmin is my conrol panel. I don't like The way "Document's And Settings" is structured or the fact that it warns you a million times just because you want to look at a "protected" folder, and I DO like the way /home is structured. I like apple, but can't afford it so I have a PC with Mandrake.

I am the target audience.

I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (2, Interesting)

Steve 'Rim' Jobs (728708) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881238)

5. GENERAL RESTRICTIONS:
The user may permanently transfer all of the rights under this EULA, provided that the user retains no copies or registration numbers, that the user transfers all of the Software Product, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this EULA. The user may not distribute copies of the Software Product to third parties. The user may not rent or lease the Software Product. The user must maintain all copyright notices on all copies of the Software Product. The user may not reverse-engineer, decipher, decompile, or disassemble the Software Product, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.


Kinda defeats the whole purpose behind GNU/Linux, don't you think?

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881421)

>Kinda defeats the whole purpose behind GNU/Linux, don't you think?

OF course not. You can't distribute the entire distro because it contains propriatary code not covered under the GPL. The code for the GPL parts are obtainable from Xandros upon request.

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (3, Interesting)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881424)

Well, Xandros includes (among other things) Crossover Office, a commercial package. Presumably they don't have the rights to let people make and distribute copies of a commercial package they don't own.

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (1)

coldmist (154493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883208)

So, basically you are saying that proprietary software is viral in nature? Kinda sounds like Microsoft's arguments about "free" software, doesn't it???

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7883249)

Nope.

The source for the GPL components is available from Xandros. Which is completely different from what MS is talking about.

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (1)

elodan (601886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881693)

Not at all.
This license is for the whole product - including proprietary software, graphics, artworks, sounds etc.

This is largely the same deal as distros that bundle (eg) StarOffice - it's a commercial product, your license fee includes that of the office suite, but the distro vendor can't permit copying of the proprietary code they bundle.

Re:I noticed this in the Xandros EULA (1)

froseph (549853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881900)

I don't think that GPL say anything about compiled code, just the source code.

Xandros/2.0 is very, very good (4, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881287)

We have used Xandros/1.0 for 6 months or so on our systems, and it was already wonderful. Xandros/2.0 went onto a couple of new systems last week and is simply excellent.

If you have to support MS Office, go for the professional version, which comes with Crossover Office, a decent way of running MSIE, MS Office, and some other applications. It's Wine plus some extensions, and well-integrated into Xandros.

If you don't need this, just go for the basic package.

The best thing about Xandros is that it combines the 95%+ device detection we're starting to expect in modern distros along with a clean and lean Debian-based chassis. You get simple graphical installation of the standard Xandros packages, plus access to everything in Debian unstable via the normal apt-get interface.

The Xandros/2.0 file manager handles pretty much everything you can throw at it. It mounts everything it can, lets you burn CDs, map network drives, and so on.

Just for fun I installed a Lindows 4.5, then took a deep breath, and wiped it with Xandros. Lindows is so *full* of stuff, while Xandros shows the meaning of "less is more".

There is no shame in paying for good software, and Xandros/2.0 gets my vote as the best office distro of 2003. Install it, forget about it. You can't ask for more.

Does anyone know... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881289)

...if Xandros' Crossover Office runs Microsoft Access? Love or hate it, a lot of quick and dirty internal apps are written in Access. Unless it functions correctly, Xandros' Crossover Office support is not useful. I personally already use OpenOffice for all my document needs, even though I have copies of Microsoft Office. And being able to run Internet Exploder is not a plus. (Well, maybe for testing. But that's about it.)

More importantly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881400)

Does it run DataDino [datadino.com] ?

Re:More importantly (0, Troll)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881481)

Does it run DataDino?

Of course. I'll have you know, that I have spent a great deal of time and effort on making DataDino function correctly on *all* Linux distros. The installer will even optionally dump DataDino.desktop icons on your Gnome and KDE desktop. I tried to add these icons to the K and foot menus, but RedHat has been completely unhelpful by releasing pre-release software. If I were to add the icons on RedHat 8, I would wipe out the user's entire "hat menu" in Gnome. That's why you may hear me moaning about RedHat from time to time.

Re:Does anyone know... (2, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881469)

You could have taken 5 seconds and looked it up yourself [codeweavers.com] . Yes, Crossover does support Access, although only Access 2000 and they say it's not 100% flawless (but then again, neither is Access on Windows).

Re:Does anyone know... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881565)

Just because vanilla Crossover supposedly works, does not mean that the Xandros version will work. Given how slow many business deals are forged, it is not uncommon for bundled software to be out of date upon shipping. Still, it's good to know that Access 2000 works on vanilla Crossover.

However, It might be a good idea for them to get Office XP working now. Many companies are (unfortunately) moving to XP licenses thanks to Microsoft's "scorched earth"^W^W "forced upgrade" policy.

Re: Xandros etc (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881360)

This is from a post I made on osnews, but it fits for Xandros as well.

Personally I think if your new to Linux you should stay clear of distros like Suse, Lindows, Xandros etc. Try Fedora,Mandrake, or maybe Debian with that new progeny installer first. If your going to bother to ditch Microsoft and their Proprietary Windows might as well do it right. These distros are as good Xandros et al and are Truely Free and totally Open Source. That might not mean too much to you, but long term its REALLY important. Being Truely Free and Open is what got Linux and its ever improving Desktops where they are today. Having the core of say Gnome of KDE proprietary would have just held these products back and prevented them from becoming what they are now. If for example a key developer of Gnome came up with some ubber cool addon for Gnome that made it great and then was hit by a bus or decided to stop coding, Boom. There goes Gnome's neat feature because it can't be maintained or built into future versions of Gnome. You'd think this is just common sense to Slashdot visitors, but I'd bet my life that of the overwhelming number of IE users here some still don't get open source.

To be frank, I'd propose that if your set on cutting a check to Xandros you might as well buy Windows XP. At least that way you'll get a decent stable proprietary desktop that will be around in a few years. Going with one of these semi-proprietary Linux distros is just trading one fault for another. Your just buying into closed technology which literally may or may not even have a future. When/If Xandros goes out of business who is going to be making updates to its proprietary packages? Like I said, long term it just makes NO sense being tied to these sorts of issues.

All proprietary software is Not evil and when it comes down to it, you need to use what gets the job done. You won't hear me rallying against some neat game because its closed source. But please don't shortchange how important Truely Free and Open Source software is to the world and especially Linux. If your going to start using Free software at least "try" to go all the way and see how far you can get with open source. Using and promoting this type of software is what got Linux where it is today and its what is leading to better software for ALL of us now and in the Future.

Re: Xandros etc (0)

relrelrel (737051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882470)

You say how much better truly open source is, then you suggest getting Windows XP. Xandros looks great, most people don't care that it contains closed source or not, what it comes down to is what OS is best for you, Xandros is great, combining the great applications of Windows (and therefore being great to slip into businesses) as well as Windows' ease of use, that combined with the 'power' of Linux.

I disagree (2, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882587)

You make some good points but I disagree with the conclusion. I see Xandros and others like it as stepping stones away from the Windows world and a transition zone where proprietary and open source software learn to co-exist. It's perfect for my wife. She can use Word for her office docs and Photoshop without booting back to Win98. I like it because the install was dead flat simple. One disc, 30 minutes and it was up on the network printing test pages off the network printer. Bam, done.

The best part is when I upgrade her hardware I won't have to go back and beg MS if I can please use the OS I already paid for. Sure it needs work and Xandros needs an attitude check, but it's a good distro all the same.

I agree with the article author that Xandros needs to fire their lawyer. The EULA gave me Redmond flashbacks. And the Xmas tech support fumble was a disaster. If they don't execute better they will go out of business. But in the meantime I have a great OS that's a breeze to install and does everything I need right now. If they don't make it or if they don't change their MS-esque behavior I'll look for another one. No problem.

cost? (0)

relrelrel (737051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881401)

Why should I pay for something at an extraordinary $89 when I don't know how good it even is?

I think i`ll burn a copy from kazaa, and try it out first, THEN i'll consider paying for the next version.

Probably The End of Xandros (3, Insightful)

occamboy (583175) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881463)

Nobody (except perhaps Ellison and McNealy) wants to see a desktop distro, other than Windows, that is usable by non-misterwizard types.

I've been keeping my eye on Xandros for some time, as I thought that they were the most likely candidate to build a non-sucking desktop distro. Roots are with Corel, a technically superb company that couldn't market. Xandros's focus was on an easy-to-use GUI desktop from the beginning; all of the other distros that I know of either started with a view towards misterwizards or a hatred of Microsoft - not a recipe for success.

The problem is that Xandros needs to capture the hearts of nerds before it can be successful at spreading out to the masses - this has been true of all micro-based hardware and software, and even how Micrsoft became what it is. In the case of Xandros, the average nerd must have it in his head that "Oh, grandpa wants a cheap computer, I'll use Xandros". However, if the average nerd never uses Xandros, Xandros won't gain mindshare. And if one has to shell out cash just to try it, very few nerds will try.

For example, I'd be interested in checking out Xandros to see if it would make a good OS for my non-tech-savvy friends and relatives. It might even be good for my personal use, if it has fonts-that-don't-suck, i.e., fonts that are as good as those that Windows had eight years ago. But am I going to shell out $89, along with my time to test it out?

No.

The only glimmer of hope here is that the Xandros main download page states "Xandros Desktop OS is not currently available as a free download". I suspect that "currently" means that free is Plan B. Since momentum is such a precious thing and so easy to lose, I hope that Plan B takes effect in the very-very-near future, or I fear that Xandros is history.

A shame, and a big blow to Linux on the desktop.

Re:Probably The End of Xandros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7882707)

30-day trial version is available for download, so you can check it out first.

Re:Probably The End of Xandros (2, Insightful)

Lord Kholdan (670731) | more than 10 years ago | (#7883379)

Nobody (except perhaps Ellison and McNealy) wants to see a desktop distro, other than Windows, that is usable by non-misterwizard types.

Amen to that!

The greatest problem with Linux adoption is that developers want windows users to learn *nix and the windows users would rather just use it without having to actually learn anything about it. And when you take away everything from linux that is easy to use and accessible for the average windows user what have do you have? Just a bad copy of windows. This is especially paralyzing to the semi competent windows users: "I can get a free FTP and WWW server and firewall software with the OS? Great! Count me in! Oh I'd need to learn the way of the unix, commandline and bash. Count me out."

Really the greatest problem with Linux adoption seems to be that the programmers and community in general dont want to give the users what the users want (power and new features) without paying a price they had to pay (RTFM, learn the *nix way.)

XANDROS SUCKS POO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7881566)

YUP

Xandros 1 (2, Informative)

jbyron (667449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7881982)

is a decent distro - I switched from RH 7.x in an attempt to get my family to switch over (didn't quite work). Good: networking, Debian, stable, mostly intuitive. Bad: older version of KDE. Looking forward to finding a few Ben and getting the upgrade.

Tech support (1, Funny)

dJCL (183345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7882464)

No joke, I interviewed with them to setup and run their Tech Support department. I was totally underqualified(but might have succeded anyway) so it's probably good that I did not get it...

I still like the company thou.

Question about Xandros Network (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7883123)

Posting as AC for obvious reasons.

Does anyone know if Xandros Network checks to see if you've registered? I "acquired" a CD image of 2.0 deluxe (thanks Overnet) and would like to try it out.
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