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Transmeta's New Smaller, Faster Chips Announced

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the mini-vroom-vroom dept.

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billstewart writes "Transmeta announced their new 5900 and 5700 CPUs. They're 50% smaller than the 5800, intended for low-power, low-heat, high-speed applications, and contain an integrated Northbridge. They're sampling now, production in January 2004, and expect to have a mini-ITX board out in 1Q04. The core chip is a 128-bit VLIW hidden by x86 emulation (as opposed to their new Efficeon, which is 256-bit VLIW.) The difference between the 5900 and 5700 seems to be L2 cache size. There are several other stories on Google News."

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Care? (3, Interesting)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884449)

With Intel dominating, apple going with IBM and Linus not working here anymore... who's using these chips?

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Kill all spammers. [si20.com] Let the irony of this sig sort em' out.

Re:Care? (3, Informative)

subk (551165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884506)

MiniITX'ers, soon. I hope to be one of them. Also, Linus is still employed by Transmeta.

Re:Care? (3, Insightful)

eamacnaghten (695001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884685)

Linus is still employed by Transmeta.

Not any more. He now works for OSDL

Re:Care? (2, Informative)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884740)

uh oh [helsinki.fi] . This could be confusing, as well as OT.

Back on topic; many apps don't need P4's or AMD64 or PPC type horsepower. (I say apps as in embedded usage, not as in mozilla)

Gentoo portage? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884792)

Has this shown up in Gentoo portage yet?

update your email [was Re:Care?] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884844)

that's an old email. 2.6.0 kernel changelog [kernel.org] torvalds is at OSDL (open source development labs).

or goto slashdot archives [slashdot.org] on the topic.

or visit the lkml archives [theaimsgroup.com] and read the email addy from the already done search.

Re:Care? (4, Informative)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884770)

"Linus is still employed by Transmeta."

Not any more. He now works for OSDL

Wrong, he is on sabbtical from Transmeta, he is still officially an employee.

Re:Care? (1)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884916)

MiniITX'ers, soon. I hope to be one of them.

Me too. I am still hunting for that elusive, silent-but-powerful living room media computer.

Re:Care? (4, Interesting)

sporty (27564) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884529)

People who run home servers and get reamed on electric bills.

Re:Care? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884628)

Transmeta. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Care? (3, Informative)

Jungle guy (567570) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884633)

HP has a Tablet PC [hp.com] that uses Transmeta Crusoe 5800. I have used it for some minutes, and looked like a "normal" tablet with an Intel processor. But I agree with you that these Crusoe babies are rare.

Re:Care? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884646)

I care. I'm looking for something to replace my Athlon/1Ghz Linux box. It has done fairly well, but I setup something that has far more horsepower than my little website requires. I'm sure it's a waste of energy and I'd like to find something that fits in a small case, uses comparatively little power, and will work with RH. I'm sure I'm not alone...and so far my research has come up with fairly wasteful systems.

Could a low end Intel-based system do it? Maybe, but I'm actually interested in a lower power system more than initial cost.

Re:Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884724)

Look into an embedded PC, you'll probably find your low power solution there.

Re:Care? (2, Insightful)

Plammox (717738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884841)

It's scary to see how fast a company can lose its esteem among certian linux geeks just because "Linus doesn't work there anymore". Scary. And I thought the hallmarks of geekism were integrity, being objective and data driven...

Re:Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884910)

Then you haven't read very many /. posts.

I thought Transmeta was already dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884451)

I mean, really. I'm not trolling.

I haven't seen any transmeta based computers on sale - ever.

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (5, Interesting)

cynyr (703126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884560)

not to respond to your non-troll but, this is being posted on a laptop using a transmeta TM5800 at 876mhz.....

i hope that these new chips fit in the old slots. it would be a nice upgrade for my laptop......

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884608)

sorry thought you might want to know what kind, this is a fujutsu p2110

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884894)

> i hope that these new chips fit in the old slots. it would be a nice upgrade for my laptop......

I beleive that if you open your laptop you'll find that the CPU is non-socketed. Sockets just add weight after all. Does Transmeta even make socketed CPUs?

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (2, Interesting)

dracvl (541254) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884917)

Summing up the important issues about Transmeta chips (I'm posting this from my Fujitsu P Transmeta-based laptop),

a) Transmeta's biggest problem is the lack of speed. It runs most productivity software and normal browsing (not Mozilla - Opera and IE are fine) at comfortable speeds. Don't try to run it as a J2EE server or something like that, though.

b) Transmeta's biggest advantage is the battery life. As another poster mentioned, I regularly get 10 hours from my battery, and that's *real life*, not some artificial benchmark.

In sum, it's the best laptop chip ever if you don't have more than moderate speed needs. Perfect for the casual user - and for people doing lightweight HTML/CSS development, like me.

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (2, Interesting)

jeffgeno (737363) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884572)

There's at least one Transmeta powered Tablet PC. And I think Fujitsu sold an ultraportable laptop with a Transmeta CPU.

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (1)

insmod_ex (724714) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884656)

I believe Sharp made a laptop with a Crusoe in it. This laptop was among the thinnest I have ever seen. Literally, it was twice the thickness of my Toshiba e355, and im not exaggerating. Too bad it cost an arm, leg, and a penis.

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884779)

What is a "mallrat" actually?

Re:I thought Transmeta was already dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884842)

Wow! I'd definitely be willing to pay an arm and a leg for the thinnest laptop. Too bad it costs more.

Transmeta in Laptops (1)

globalar (669767) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884679)

Microcenter has had them in Sharp Notebooks [sharpsystems.com] . The display model looked like a very nice ultraportable (reminded me of a Toshiba Portege - wish the Portege came with one). Apparently Sony has some VAIO models with Transmeta them as well.

You can find some retail Transmeta systems at Transmetazone.com [transmetazone.com] .

Re:Transmeta in Laptops (1)

insmod_ex (724714) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884738)

Ahhh, thats where I seen 'em. Good ol' Micro Center. Thanks for the link.

Wow, that's good news (2, Interesting)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884457)

What do they use those chips for? Microwaves and stuff? Toaster ovens?

No, Not toasters. (2, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884677)

They're low power, cold running chips. I doubt if you could toast bread with them ;)

Re:Wow, that's good news (3, Funny)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884682)

Wouldn't AMD and Intel chips be better in toaster ovens?

Re:Wow, that's good news (1)

throwaway18 (521472) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884911)

What do they use those chips for? Microwaves and stuff? Toaster ovens?

No, an 8bit microcontroller and a 32Khz (0.032MHz) digital watch crystal have more than enough processing power to run a microwave. No point using a general purpose processor, IO and memory chips when a single microcontroller and a couple of relays will do the job. I doubt you can connect a film keypad diretly to the pins of a transmeta processor.

Fascinating, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884458)

I believe that depression and business PR pieces have become hopelessly enmeshed in the public mind. It's difficult to even imagine what an effort it would take to separate one from another, sadly.

But you know what? It's just not interesting, at least not to journalists. I was just reading an article about P2P. The thing is, information is misunderstood in today's computing environment. Strangely, among college students, the hip new trend is experience -- and it's here with a vengeance.

Some people want fast. Some want reliable. Most want experience. But But honestly, which would you prefer: system or information? It remains the most exciting idea on the horizon, despite the obstacles.

p00p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884462)

p00p
is
warm
and sticky.

fucking dumb ass jews (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884464)

fp on news for jews

WHITE POER!!

Re:fucking dumb ass jews (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884707)

Judaism. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Gentoo portage? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884815)

Has this appeared in Gentoo portage yet?

Wanted (4, Interesting)

swordboy (472941) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884470)

I've always ranted here about how we could use an industry standard chassis and AC/DC power spec for mini-ITX. If LCD monitor vendors could simply stick their panels into an open spec laptop chassis, we'd have oodles of cheap, interchangable laptops out there. And they wouldn't cost $900 to fix when you spill your free beer on them...

Re:Wanted (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884541)

the morex cases already use 12VDC power for the ITX boards. just slap a small radioshack style portable UPS and LCD on them and youre good to go. the only problem is getting a light LCD panel to stick on them.

Re:Wanted (1)

Hannes Eriksson (39021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884610)

With the addition of an industry standard display hinge, keyboard connector for portables and battery design it would be really cool to assemble a beige box laptop.

American Hockey Juniors Beat Canada (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884471)

Damn, if Canada is no good at hockey anymore, do they have any other reasons to live?

Re:American Hockey Juniors Beat Canada (-1, Offtopic)

benow (671946) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884507)

Sure, many reasons... Good coffee, good beer, donunts, water, trees, oil and complaining about the weather and ignorance of americans ;)

Re:American Hockey Juniors Beat Canada (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884535)

I would never want to be Canadian. They have no discernable culture and are desparate to latch onto anything to feel accepted. It's a country without any identity and it's very sad.

Re:American Hockey Juniors Beat Canada (-1, Troll)

ForestGrump (644805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884549)

we also have the drunk (canadian) french to laugh at too.

here's what the chips are used for: (4, Funny)

pummer (637413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884478)

http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/gingerbreadvillag e/

Re:here's what the chips are used for: (2, Interesting)

pummer (637413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884524)

i suck at teh html. LINK [mini-itx.com]

Re:here's what the chips are used for: (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884830)

Yes, quite amazing.... Oh, not the fact he's got a gingerbread server, but that there's a girl helping him out baking COOKIES around a TINY COMPUTER, then putting it all on the INTERNET for a bunch of GEEKS to gawk at. Now that's what I call amazing! Not to mention the damned thing runs FreeBSD.

Wish I had a girlfriend like that... :(

WHAT ABOUT THE STARVING KIDS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884938)

In Africa? You fucking turds make gingerbread computers to look at while they starve? Don't you feel guilty?

Replacements (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884480)

Maybe they'll replace my POS Crusoe processor now?

IF... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884484)

... a tree falls in the forrest and nobody is there to hear it. does it fall?

What is theyre market share compared to ARM on mobile devices?

What is theyre largest customer? Sony notebooks?

Re:IF... (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884661)

> ... a tree falls in the forrest and nobody is there to hear it. does it fall?

And what color is it?

Any laptops using Tranmeta CPUs?

Re:IF... (3, Informative)

I8TheWorm (645702) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884736)

The Compaq T-1000 [hp.com] tablet/laptop, Sharp [special-gi...fers.co.uk] and NEC [vnunet.com] at least had one at one time.

Hooray! (4, Funny)

Hannes Eriksson (39021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884487)

No I can finally have a Gigaherz processor in my fax machine :-)

how about (2, Interesting)

didiken (93521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884488)

robots ?

Re:how about (1)

savuporo (658486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884612)

Umm .. yes thankyou, i'll take two. http://www.via.com.tw/en/robotics/robotics.jsp Now if VIA would get their act together and actually release Nano-ITX, it would perhaps survive on battery power longer than five minutes.

Who wants a Dick Tracey Watch? (0, Offtopic)

PaK_Phoenix (445224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884500)

I wonder if this will have enough horsepower, to accelerate all of the 'electronics of the future' we've been promised for so long.

Transmeta rocks. (5, Interesting)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884532)

Say what you want, but these people have found a niche and deserve credit.
Their CPUs are sufficient for most tasks and not seldom run three to four times as long as comparable CPUs with the same amount of power. They are the equivalent to the 'kaizend' motors in the late generation portable cassette players ('walkmen'), seriously optimized for a specific goal: to consume as much minimum power as possible.
My friend has a Fujitsu Lifebook P with a 900 Mhz transmeta and it runs 16 hrs of the grid! And he even watches DVDs with it. Try that with a Pentium Mobile.

Re:Transmeta rocks. (1)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884659)

his notebook battery life has more do with the whole design then just the cpu. With most modern notebooks, the power difference between a pentium-m and a transmeta, compared to what the rest of the notebook items use for power (screen, hard drive, etc), is minimal. A pentium-m might use a watt or two more in power, but thats nothing when the screen eats up (i am making these numbers up, but they should be in the ball park) 20 or 30 watts, 5 to 10 for the hard drive, 10-20 for mother board, etc.

Re:Transmeta rocks. (4, Informative)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884854)

Dont underestimate the power requirements of the Pentium M.
Yes, its a lot friendlier than all other "big" cpus, but if you use a lot of cpu-power, it still needs >25Watt. Thats a lot more than the whole rest of the system (ok, not if you are dvd-burning while using your mobile geforece 5700 to play doom3 on your 17" widescreen high brighness lcd, but you get the point...)
Of course most of the time you dont need full-power, but still when idling it uses 5-7 Watt, more than the Transmeta with 100% load.

The only problem is that the transmetas have limited performance. While pentium M can deliver in peak situation (but with a lot of power), the transmeta cannot.

And your numbers are from soviet russia, arent they? (IAW: bullshit)

10-20W would be a normal desktop board. 3-8 watt for normal Laptop(with ram, but without fance gfx).
10 Watt for a hd is normal for a 10000rpm 3.5" disc. A 2.5" laptop disc is more likely to use 1.5-3 Watt, if its running at all.
And 20-30 Watt would be a bad 15" or a very good 17" Lcd monitor with 200+ cd/m^2. For a 15" high brightness destop replacement Notebook, 15 Watt, perhaps 20 watt with max brightness.
But your "long running" subnotebook with 10.4" 75cd/m^2 screen wont use much more than 5-7 Watt.

Re:Transmeta rocks. (1)

greenskyx (609089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884824)

Does your friend run Linux on it? If so what distro(s) and how well does it work. What is the performance like? Those lifebooks look really nice, especially with the transmeta chips...

Re:Transmeta rocks. (2, Informative)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884860)

"as much minimum power as possible"

The point is made, but the syntax would be "as little power as possible" or even just "minimum possible amount of power".

"not seldom run"

Often run? Again, makes sense, but a bit stiff.

(this is meant as an educational insight, not a slam - I hope you'd do the same for me if I ever posted something in German)

Re:Grammar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884890)

to consume as much minimum power as possible

You could better phrase that, "to consume the least power possible."

Native code? (0, Troll)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884537)

If the x86 is emulated through dynamic recompilation, does that mean you can compile Gentoo Linux on a transmeta and get the speed boost of native code?

Re:Native code? (1)

Hannes Eriksson (39021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884645)

It would benefit even more if it had access to the VLIW architecture beneath the code morphing software, but that would probably also mean that Linux would have to do the chores of the long-run code aswell.

Why do blatent karmawhore trolls get modded up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884647)

*HE* is asking a stupid question and his homepage link points to combo scat porn and goatse.

Re:Why do blatent karmawhore trolls get modded up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884753)

Because karma has absolutely no worth or meaning.

Grow up and stop whinging about something imaginary like that.

Re:Native code? (1)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884660)

No, the actual instruction set is not visible to anything except Transmeta's instruction translation code.

It might be possible to port the linux kernel to their VLIW architecture, and add a kernel module to do the x86->VLIW translation, but I don't know enough about how it works to make any speculations.

Re:Native code? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884712)

That would require GCC to support "Transmeta native" as a target architecture, and it doesn't. Furthermore, it won't--ever. From what I understand, Transmeta's chips are not designed to be compatible with each other--i.e. every new chip potentially has a totally different architecture. This is masked by the fact that they all emulate x86, which is a non-moving target.

It's a potentially advantageous strategy because it allows them to make rather major design changes to their chips relative to other manufacturers. Whether it will actually pan out or not is another matter.

Anyway, long story short: Transmeta chips are designed to emulate; they are not designed to run native code (err, except the code morphing software itself)

No speed boost (1)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884746)

Because most of the parallelisim is n't visible at compile time, this is the same problem that Itanium or any other VLIW processor has.

Yes, but what for? (4, Insightful)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884547)

Has transmeta found a real design win yet? Something over 1m units is considered REAL. They've been issuing press releases since they started, and i have yet to see any success. i guess loads of venture capital are keeping them afloat, b/c their SECC filings show pathetic revenue.

Game performance? (4, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884580)

Granted, I haven't checked out the market for a bit, since I've pretty much gone "console only", and the only PC games I play anymore I just wait until they hit "OS X" - or do without. (Not that I don't have an oversized old games library as it is - I don't need to buy anymore....)

But I have friends who do LAN parties, and I've wondered about getting a Shuttle kind of machine, or preferably something the size of a Cappachino computer. Small, slip it into a backpack, show up with just that and a flat screen (keyboard, mouse, etc) - but it would be a small machine just for PC LAN gaming. It wouldn't need a huge video card - anything that can run most games published 2003 at 800x600 would be fine.

I wonder if these Transmeta chips could be used this way.

Re:Game performance? (2, Informative)

Hannes Eriksson (39021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884817)

A half-decent (or better) laptop works great for those non-die-hard gaming purposes. My guess is that it would be cheaper, about as powerhungry (stationary TFTs, optical mice and big speakers/headphones use electricity too), and faster than a portable desktop powered by a transmeta 5900.

Huh?? (5, Funny)

ianashley (597497) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884591)

"They're 50% smaller than the 5800, intended for low-power, low-heat, high-speed applications.." Are there actually people out there demanding large high-power, high-heat, low-speed chips?

Re:Huh?? (1)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884692)

The electric company?

Actually my dorm room is usually noticably warmer than my common room because of the 4 computers I have inside.

Re:Huh?? (1)

Hannes Eriksson (39021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884875)

Same here. My air temp is 3 centigrades warmer than the floor (contact) temp. That sort of temperature difference makes people sweat and get cold feet at the same time. Quite an... ...interesting feeling.

Are you surprised? (2, Insightful)

Kombat (93720) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884903)

Actually my dorm room is usually noticably warmer than my common room because of the 4 computers I have inside.

Of course it is! You're running what are essentially 4 250- to 300-watt heaters in a small room. One computer would produce a noticable (heck, downright significant) increase in heat.

And by the way, while a lot of the heat coming from your PC is in fact from the computationally intensive components (CPU, RAM, video card), there is also a large amount of it coming from your power supply. There is 110V of AC power coming out of that hole in your wall, regardless of how many volts you choose to use. Since your PC only uses 12V (and 5V) of DC power, your power supply has to do work to convert it into something your computer can use. The transformer in your power supply steps it down and flattens it into a DC current, but doing so is not a perfectly efficient process. Quite a bit of heat is generated.

I've not seen any numbers to support this, but I'd guess that almost half (if not more) of the heat generated by a PC comes from the power supply alone.

Re:Huh?? (2, Informative)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884747)

They're differentiating themselves from the "high-power, high-heat, high-speed" and "low-power, low-heat, low-speed" chips.

Re:Huh?? (3, Funny)

2.246.1010.78 (721713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884877)

you mean Intel Itaniums?

Re:Huh?? (1)

DreadSpoon (653424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884886)

You mean like the Itanium? ;-)

*ducks*

Re:Huh?? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884897)

low-power
low-heat
high-speed

Pick two.

Transmeta's new slogan: (2, Funny)

zumbojo (615389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884603)

"Little...yellow...different."

No thanks... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884619)

Given the troubles [google.com] their 5800 line has experienced, I think I'll stick with my Centrino.

Re:Tubgirl troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884777)

*cough* You have been warned.

I like the ITX idea (2, Insightful)

ResQuad (243184) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884639)

I am really lookin into getting myself a mini-itx board for my file server. This would be really nice to have, a nice speedy transmeta chip running the show.

It's hard to get excited. (0, Troll)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884648)

It is, I hate to admit it. I've found that I don't get very excited over low power, lower everything CPUs for mobile use.

Give me that socket sucking power of my P4 any day.

Does anyone else feel that we are pass due for another speed revolution?

Re:It's hard to get excited. (3, Interesting)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884828)

We're in a speed revolution. Processors keep getting faster, and equivalent power keeps getting cheaper. It's just that now that everything is measured in gigahertz, numbers like 2700, and catchphrases like "64-bit", it seems a lot less exciting. More exciting right now is the idea of having a quick computer that can run, say, without a fan.

Imagine having a cheap, low power, fanless, quiet computer, running a variety of convenient things for a home network. You know, DNS, HTTP caching, file serving, email, the works. Put this in a small and attractive case, pop in a processor that really is quite fast, and you have something worth drooling over.

Re:It's hard to get excited. (1)

pigscanfly.ca (664381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884873)

Indeed .
I ended up getting a desktop processor in my laptop (sure I only have 1.5 hours off grid life) but it was a hell of a lot cheaper ($200) for better performance (comparable performance would have been $400+) .

Okay, except (0)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884675)

The main power draw in electronic devices is still memory, mainly RAM and hard disk storage if it exists, no? To the point where the power requirements of the chips, short of using a P4 or something, are already dwarfed, right?

So what kinds of real-world applications would this be actively useful for?

And is the fabled "code morphing" ever going to offer the option of running any instruction set other than x86? Is it really worth the bother of tying yourself to the x86 instruction set if you're mainly doing embedded apps anyway, meaning machine code compatibility with desktop hardware is useless?

Re:Okay, except (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884825)

How about fanless-cooled devices? These seem like they can deliver better performance than the VIA fanless solutions (Eden 600MHz, etc.) and remain able to run with just a heatsink.

You might say "Who cares?" but I'd be very interested in using one of these in a living-room computer. Silence is golden when you aren't using it, but it has to stay on to record the new Adult Swim.

When will Slashdot stop posting about Transmeta??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7884694)

Guys, wake up! Linus doesn't work there anymore, so you don't have to think that Transmeta is a logical extension of him anymore!

I know you editors think that all-Linus is good, but Transmeta just won't fly, and Linus implicitly admitted to this by leaving.

They are just another chip company, like Analog Digital, Motorola, Infineon, etc. I don't hear announcements about these other companies whenever a new chip of theirs comes out.

Even worse, they don't have large customers which means they will die probably this year.

Slashdot, please give up on these guys!

Reason behind the model numbering scheme (3, Interesting)

ArmedLemming (18042) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884705)

From the article:

"The Crusoe TM5700/TM5900 processors are another significant step in advancing the cause of efficient computing," said Dr. Matthew R. Perry, president and CEO of Transmeta. "By delivering a solution that is 50 percent smaller than our existing Crusoe TM5800 processors, Transmeta allows system designers to further leverage the high performance and low-heat dissipation characteristics of Transmeta's proven hardware and software architecture for a wide range of new smaller form factor, fan-less designs."

Important tidbit not in the article, but needed to be:

Dr. Perry then proceeded to explain the seemingly confusing numbering scheme, "Well, since we had cut down the form factor some of thought we should also cut the model number down. But, we didn't want to alienate those who are used to seeing newer products with higher model numbers, so we compromised and named it higher and lower than its predecessor."

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Transmeta vs VIA C3?? (4, Interesting)

-tji (139690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884750)

So, how do these Transmeta chips compare to the VIA C3's, in terms of computing performance, and power/heat requirements?

VIA has been doing a very nice job with the C3, with several varieties, speeds, and sizes to be used in all sorts of commercial or hobbyist applications. They have a new mini-itx board, with dual ethernet ports for network gateway usage. And, their new C3 processor includes hardware AES support, with incredible performance for network or filesystem encryption.

It would be great to have an alternative. The TM chips seem to have some really interesting features. But, I have not seen any of these boards/chips available retail. They seem to be essentially OEM solutions for embedded devices. This positioning puts them head to head with many excellent non-x86 solutions, like the ARM, PowerPC, and Hitachi SH processors.

Transmeta in Laptops (4, Informative)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884796)

For those of you wondering where Transmeta can be found (like I was), Here's a list of laptops [transmeta.com]

I'd love something with 12hours battery life, regardless of processing speed (granted, anything less than comparable to a 350Mhz x86 would be a bit slow) so I can go outside to code, or to a cafe without having to sit next to a power outlet.

That logo... (1)

shish (588640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884818)

Slightly off topic, but is that squiggle the transmeta logo? Their site looks very much the same colour, but I don't see the logo itself there...

My first though on seeing it was "Who made debian green?"

Re:That logo... (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884889)

look harder. It's actually the Crusoe logo. The transmeta logo itself is just "Transmeta" written in a funky font.

Cheap, low power cpu's are great ... (3, Insightful)

jubei (89485) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884839)

Until you look at the prices for a typical mini-itx case.

I hope the mini-itx format becomes much more popular. We need more competition in the tiny case area.

Any good sources of reasonably priced cases?

Beowulf Cluster (1)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884852)

Anyone know if there is a Beowulf Cluster of these chips or the VIA ones? And would a cluster comnparable in performance to a P4 generate as much heat or use as much power? I'm thinking about trying this because:
1. A Mini-ITX system is mad cheap.
2. They're very quiet.
3. Should be more redundant/reliable than a single processor system.

I have 2 servers right now. One is a Mini-ITX at 900 mhz and another one is an Athlon at 1.6 Ghz. The smaller one is more preferable because I live in a dorm room. Plus it's mad easy to carry around when I have to move. Furthermore, it doesn't draw a lot of power so it won't overload my UPS. A small cluster of these things could be interesting.

A question: (5, Funny)

falameufilho (563216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884864)

Now that Linus does not work at Transmeta anymore, do we still like them?

Transmeta is still around? (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884865)

Why haven't they gone out of business and returned the remaining money to the investors yet?

ooo...itx boards.. (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884892)

provided that they are more powerful than VIA and less (price-wise), they should be fine. The only thing keeping me from doing my own ITX project besides the funds is the fact that I don't like VIA; have had some REALLY bad experiences with VIA chipsets in the past and with their CSRs.

now if transmeta makes it so they have all the drivers available for not only the windows flavors but also *nix (and for BeOS for those hardcore fans), then they can probably get most /.'ers and such by the ba......er....that is if that particular person has 'em.

gotta give transmeta a hand for still trying.

aut0tr0ll is teh sp0kE!? (-1)

Jack Froidalbungle (730156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7884899)

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