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DVD-Jon Breaks iTunes Encryption For Linux Users

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the this-too-shall-pass dept.

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McGruff writes "The Register has a story regarding DVD-Jon's new hobby, iTunes DRM. According to the story DRMed iTunes AAC files can now be played under Linux via VidioLAN Client thanks to some handywork by Jon. '"When you run the VideoLAN Client under Windows it will write the user key to a file. The user key is system independent and can thus be used by the GNU/Linux version of VLC," he explains.' Personally, this just means I will buy even more iTunes." (We mentioned in November Johansen's efforts to negate the iTunes restrictions on Windows.)

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(TK10)Dessimat0r (672413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886946)

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GNAA confirms: Linux is dying (-1, Troll)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7886962)

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YOU *FUCKING* FAIL IT (-1)

(TK10)Dessimat0r (672413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886989)

You fucking fail it so badly, you fucking failure. You are such a fucking failure that everyone fucking thinks that you have fucking downs syndrome when you fucking speak.

FUCKING FAILURE.

Re:YOU *FUCKING* FAIL IT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887032)

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I am the first one (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7886967)

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IMPORTANT safety warning (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887006)

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Re:IMPORTANT safety warning (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887068)

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MOD PARENT UP!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887137)

He speaks the truth.

Key exchange ? (5, Interesting)

Jesrad (716567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886969)

How long before people start exchanging their keys ? Now that the key can be had and used under virtually any platform, in an easily copied or transmitted file format, the copy-protection is effectively cracked.

Re:Key exchange ? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7886976)

fuck exchanging keys. just exchange the damn mp3s using kazaa or emule.

Re:Key exchange ? (2, Insightful)

Jesrad (716567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887034)

You are not thinking on the same scale as me. This reverse-engineering of the iTMS' AAC copy-protection means more people will share the music they buy with relatives / people they know, at a small scale. I don't think this marks the "end of the music industry" in any way, it will probably have no impact on the market, apart from letting Linux users listen to music they'd buy from the iTunes Music Store, which means more potential customers.

Re:Key exchange ? (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887002)

What's your point? It's not like much of what iTunes has is exclusive. It's all distributed on P2P anyway, it's just a pain to get that way. I don't see this as having any real consequence besides allowing users to play the files how they want without re-encoding it in another lossy format.

Re:Key exchange ? (3, Interesting)

lynxuser (737950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887018)

While exchanging keys sounds good, in theory, I believe the keys are limited to 3 PCs through the DRM. As well, they would need to be sent with the AAC DRM files that you want others to use, this sounds like a security risk to me. Finally, I suspect that Apple enabled some sort of hash, linked perhaps to your MAC address (or some other hardware) that would keep the key different for every single PC.

Re:Key exchange ? (5, Insightful)

salimma (115327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887044)

RTFA - You need to exchange the key *and* the file itself, as the key is tailored to each computer. iTMS reps could then easily block computers with said Windows Product IDs.

This hack is, OTOH, useful for 'fair use' - for people who dual-boot Windows and Linux. As well as dedicated music pirates who would re-share the unlocked files as plain AAC.

Slightly Off Topic... (5, Funny)

Luke the Obscure (651951) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887164)

I can't wait until all Slashdot comments are nothing but long strings of esoteric acronyms.

OT: WTF?? (-1, Troll)

Big Sean O (317186) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887188)

EG:

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LOL.

LOL! er... stfu. n/t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887199)

PCMCIA

Re:Key exchange ? (1)

Anonymous CowWord (635850) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887059)

Yeah.. just a matter of time before .zip files with key+song start appearing on p2p's (assuming my understanding of this article is correct).

And unlike the previous arguments (e.g. I don't want to pay RIAA, they overcharge, etc.) this time it IS stealing with no excuses. I guess this will be a true test of whether or not in internet based model without DRM can survive. I for one hope that I am wrong and that people will respect fair pricing (let's no get into $0.99 is too much per song, I don't think it's *that* much. Definately way better than CD prices in most cases where you get 2 good and 10 crappy songs for $15)

Re:Key exchange ? (1)

Jesrad (716567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887091)

Won't happen in such a widespread form, given the way the copy-protection works. You have to first authorize the computer you want to play the files on. Then you get a valid key for this very computer, that won't decrypt the files on any other computer. This definitely rules out bundles of .m4p and key.

But I still think it will happen on a small scale, though for the immense majority of the iTMS customers it will be useless (not using VLC, having less than three computers to play the files on, too much technical hassle, etc...).

Re:Key exchange ? (1)

ejito (700826) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887171)

And unlike the previous arguments (e.g. I don't want to pay RIAA, they overcharge, etc.) this time it IS stealing with no excuses.
It was copyright infringement. There's still no physical loss preventing sales with another potential customer. Any moral and legal problems would be exactly the same as before.
let's no get into $0.99 is too much per song, I don't think it's *that* much.
Most of my music has around 13-18 songs per CD (One had 22. They sold their cd for 10 bucks. I like punk.), unless it's by Goa or classical artists (which sell their CD's for quarter price of a "normal" CD anyways). I don't see how it's an advantage; it's the same price as a typical CD in stores. Not every artist has your so called 10 bad songs for every 2 good ones.

One dollar definitely isn't the best they can do -- well, unless you spend millions trying to invent your own proprietary music formats and pay people to maintain it.

I hope it has DMA restrictions... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7886972)

If they let it be used on Linux systems that didn't pay the $699 license fee, they could be up shit creek.

Re:I hope it has DMA restrictions... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887052)

Geeze, does the guy really want to go to prison?

Heck, I'd wish he'd respect the intellectual property rights of the people at Itunes and the fact that they dont want their stuff to be played on linux. Is that so hard for some people?

How long... (4, Interesting)

3Suns (250606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886973)

Awesome, I was waiting for this. Definitely a reason to consider iTunes now.

How long until someone writes a command-line AAC2mp3 converter?

Or maybe... (2, Informative)

raygundan (16760) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887028)

Just AAC2AAC? Only without the copy protection. That way we keep our compression loss to one generation.

Re:How long... (2, Informative)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887031)

Why would you want to re-encode an AAC to an MP3? AAC already has superior quality. Just removing the encryption (for personal use) would be nice.

Re:How long... (5, Informative)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887071)

It could be done with AppleScript under OS X. Simply tell itunes to play a given song, tell any old sound recording app to dump the computer's sound output to a WAV, convert to MP3 using LAME, and then grab the song's info via. AppleScript and put it into an ID3

The downside here is that you're losing quality encoding to MP3 (remember that AAC is also lossy). Unfortunately, there is no way to preserve full-quality without retaining the original file format.

Either way, I frown upon this sort of piracy. $.99 is pretty darn cheap (Note here that I have no objection to using this to play your OWN files under linux if it is the operating system of your choice. Just keep it to yourself)

Re:How long... (4, Interesting)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887152)

Exactly. That's why if you want me to buy music online, you had better be distributing it in a lossless format (FLAC, SHN, APE, whatever...I don't care as long as I can get the original WAV).

Re:How long... (0, Flamebait)

Hi_2k (567317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887072)

Personaly I'd prefer something higher quality, like OGG [vorbis.com] , with better liscencing terms, like OGG [vorbis.com] , and maybe some easy third party support [vorbis.com]

Re:How long... (1)

SlightOverdose (689181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887144)

Or just stick with AAC, which is arguably better quality than Vorbis as 128k.

Transcoding is BAD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887181)

Hasn't anyone told you?

This is a wonderful breakthrough (5, Interesting)

lynxuser (737950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886975)

I am quite excited about this. VLC has always been my media player of choice, now the ability to play AAC DRM files in it just ups its ante.

While booting to Windows is a slight disappointment, I am sure DVD-Jon will remove that step ASAP.

Re:This is a wonderful breakthrough (2, Insightful)

ircShot_guN (737033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887130)

I'm not sure how DVD-Jon can remove that step.

iTunes runs on windows and Mac OS, so either way you are going to have to boot into either of those two to actually get the songs in the first place.

iTunes (or similar) for GNU/Linux is what I am really waiting for.

Re:This is a wonderful breakthrough (1)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887157)

"I am quite excited about this. VLC has always been my media player of choice, now the ability to play AAC DRM files in it just ups its ante."Urm... if i read correctly, it doesn't do that. It converts it into a format other than AAC, so there will still be a drop in sound quality due to re-encoding (unless you keep it raw, i guess). when they port the actual AAC drivers to linux, knowing the key will be more useful.

Windows Only??? (3, Insightful)

Blair16 (683764) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886977)

Does anybody else see something wrong with Apple having a program that only works on Windows and Macs? You would think they would be a little bit more understanding of those of us running "alternative" OSes.

Re:Windows Only??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887009)

Does anybody else see something wrong with Apple having a program that only works on Windows and Macs? You would think they would be a little bit more understanding of those of us running "alternative" OSes.

Yeah, it's not like Apple has a vested interest in one operating system over another!

Oh wait...

Guys, Apple is no more altruistic than Microsoft. Apple is only cool because they are the underdog. Don't be expecting Apple to be something they aren't. That's where Linux and Open Source comes in.

Re:Windows Only??? (1)

enosys (705759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887050)

Oh come on! Is there something wrong with Adobe not having a linux version of Photoshop? There's nothing inherently wrong/evil with what they're doing. If you really care a lot about this then vote with your money and avoid buying stuff from whoever doesn't support your favorite OS.

Re:Windows Only??? (1)

cmdrbuzz (681767) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887057)

That would be because QuickTime only runs on Mac and Windows.

When Apple ported QuickTime over to Windows, they had to port almost all the ToolBox routines over as well.
Which meant that any developer could port their Mac Application to Windows, just by using the QuickTime ToolBox routines.......
So Apple asked them not to do it......

Take a look at EZcleaner, they broke Apples plea, and ported over to Windows by using the QuickTime DLLs.

I just might ruffle some feathere here.... (4, Insightful)

mental_telepathy (564156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887060)

You would think they would be a little bit more understanding of those of us running "alternative" OSes.

That would be the way for apple to go if they were in it to make everyone feel good. But actually, they are in it to make money. And as you may have noticed, a lot of linux users don't like to pay for stuff. This is smart for Linux users, not so good for people trying to make money off of Linux users.

And of course, it could never be enough. port itunes to linux? Where is the Ogg Vorbis support? Got Ogg? Why doesn't it work with *insert random peice of sourceforge developed software here*

I know, nobody wants to hear that they are the prima donnas of the IT world. But I've got Karma to burn.

Re:I just might ruffle some feathere here.... (1)

windex82 (696915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887145)

Care to provide a study or other proof indicating I'm less likely to purchases? If anything I'm more likely to purchases something open source, Linux related or at least available for Linux as this case my be.

Id have no problem buying the cds from my favorite distro if they went that way, fortunately they don't so I don't have to pay anything. I payed for a boxed set of redhat 5 back in the day before broadband, and I'll continue purchasing things when they are easier to obtain by purchasing.

In fact the other day I was wanting to use iTunes, I would have rather payed the 99c to hear a song then have to download it a couple times to find the version that wont ruin my speakers. Unfortunately i checked out the iTunes site and found out I couldn't use it, so it was easier to download it.

Yes I know I'm just one example, but Ive got karma to burn as well =P

Why? (0, Flamebait)

hayden (9724) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887172)

You would think they would be a little bit more understanding of those of us running "alternative" OSes.
You make the mistake a lot of people do with regards to Apple. Through expensive ad campains Apple have managed to implant this image of a cool, hip, happening, free thinking company.

In actual fact they are the very picture of an evil corporation. They are just as bad as MS or IBM in it's day but they got the crap kicked out of them. Rather than learning from this (as IBM and SGI seem to) they've gone the cynical, rationalist way.

Expect Apple to sue or get DVD Jon imprisoned.

Agreed (1)

L10N (458520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887197)

It is odd to me that with iTunes Apple has made it available to their historic "cross-town rivalvy" and yet have not made iTunes available for use in some other OSes. You'd think they'd even have packages for .deb's and .rpm's.

And how ironic would be it they decided that there wasn't enough linux users to be worth the effort. You'd think they would have hard feelings about that sort of thing.

From the article... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7886979)

Norwegian programmer Jon Lech Johansen, who broke the DVD encryption scheme...

It was my understanding that DVD-Jon (as we're calling him now) did *not* actually break the DVD encryption scheme, but collaborated with some anonymous hackers who did. I think his involvement was more on the order of making it more accessible to the tyro. Could someone clear this up once and for all?

Re:From the article... (3, Informative)

Luke the Obscure (651951) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887140)

It looks like DVD-Jon speerheaded the whole thing, but other people were involved.

For the very very long story go here [harvard.edu] . It's one of the legal declarations from the case.

Re:From the article... (2, Informative)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887143)

Yes, it was another russian pair I think....

But we let it be kept secret, infact the real secret is that the Xing Player KEys/code was used, buy had to be faked to look like it was reverse engineered.

In any case, TOO LATE NOW, its out of the bag, and no traces left, the way it was meant.

Macworld Keynote (2, Interesting)

gss (86275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886988)

I wonder if Jobs will say anything about this in tomorrows Macworld Keynote. I kind of doubt it.

What does this guy do for a living? (5, Interesting)

cacheMan (150533) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886990)

What do any of these people do with free time to break encryption schemes, contribute to oss, and build robotic girlfriends? I'm serious, how do you earn a living and still have time to do things like this?

Re:What does this guy do for a living? (2, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887038)

Have you perhaps heard of "free time"? Or "hobby", perhaps? Most people do not work 60h+ workweeks, you know; they prefer to have a life outside work as well.

Re:What does this guy do for a living? (2, Funny)

gss (86275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887092)

Ha, hacking away to break an encryption scheme is not exactly what I would call "having a life".

Re:What does this guy do for a living? (5, Funny)

Frisky070802 (591229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887077)

I think he's a professional defendant, or wants to be.

Re:What does this guy do for a living? (5, Informative)

asavage (548758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887094)

He was 15 when he broke the DVD encryption and now he is still only around 19. He doesn't need to work for a living yet.

Re:What does this guy do for a living? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887173)

They just buy a house with less than 10 bathrooms, a small cheap car, don't buy designer clothes and generally have their spending priorities in order, so they can spend less time making money for their boss.

Ever been to Norway? (1)

filtersweep (415712) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887196)

Workers have ten times the rights as US workers. They have all sorts of odd holidays (like Ascension Day) in addition to the regular ones. I was just there over Christmas for a few weeks, and it seemed many people have about 2 weeks off- not to mention sabbaticals, 6 weeks vacation, STD (short term disablity) for stubbed toes... and taxes... did I mention taxes?

iTunes on Linux (5, Interesting)

ZWarrior (194861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7886994)

Somehow I think that this is an example of the way software restrictions will continue.

Programmers will code the security so that the app only works one way, and some user will break it s it works elsewhere as well.

We need to have more thought put into coding so that apps will work more platforms, and also be aware that it is envitable (sp?) that somebody will crack it.

I broke a lot of digital clocks as a kid because I wanted to know what made them tick! I still got new ones, and broke them as well.

Re:iTunes on Linux (2, Funny)

goldfndr (97724) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887062)

I broke a lot of
digital clocks as a kid because I wanted to know what made them tick! I still got new ones, and broke them as well.

I'm sorry it never dawned on you that the ticking must've been coming from something else.

Re:iTunes on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887122)

No, the programmers need to give up trying to "secure" a trusted client.

This isn't information security, it's obfuscation. If Apple didn't want me to copy the music, they probably shouldn't have let me listen to it on electronics I own.

The Code (2, Informative)

sr180 (700526) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887005)

Link from the article to directly download the code: http://developers.videolan.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /vlc/modules/demux/mp4/?cvsroot=VideoLAN

Grab the files! (-1, Redundant)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887007)

Quick, get the files [videolan.org] before Apple C&D's VideoLAN!!!!

Take two (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887008)

Per^H^Hrosecutions out of petty barratry and call your new lawyer in the morning.

Does iTunes music store work under Linux anyway? (1, Interesting)

Nailer (69468) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887011)

I have an ipod, and use it together with the nifty GTKPod, Grip and beep to get my music onto the Pod and play tunes off it.

But I'm in Australia, and we don't have iTunes music store yet.

It it possible to use iTunes music store under Linux? Is it just a web site, with files you need iTunes to play, in which case I can use VideoLAN instead? Or otherwise?

In a worse case scenario, does iTunes work under Winex or Codeweavers Wine?

Re:Does iTunes music store work under Linux anyway (4, Informative)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887041)

No, you need the iTunes client to play any files you buy from the iTunes store. And No, it doesn't (yet) work under Wine or CrossoverOffice.

Re:Does iTunes music store work under Linux anyway (1)

Nailer (69468) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887167)

No, you need the iTunes client to play any files you buy from the iTunes store.

Well, apparently not any more: now I can also use VideoLAN as well as the iTunes client. What I'm asking is, can I download stuff from the iTms using software other than iTunes?

Re:Does iTunes music store work under Linux anyway (1)

robwills (121453) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887135)

Just use a gift certificate... there are plenty of sellers on eBay. It's not such a ripoff, especially for the convenience.

But (5, Insightful)

ITR81 (727140) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887013)

But I think all Apple needs to do is update QT and update it's DRM.

Seems like this crack can be patched.

I doubt Apple will call DVDJohn but I bet the RIAA will.

Re:But (5, Insightful)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887088)

I doubt Apple will call DVDJohn but I bet the RIAA will.

It's Jon, and he'll tell them that their American threats don't mean jack in Norway.

By the way, I sure hope that he has no plans to visit the U.S. [wired.com] .

Re:But (1)

awing0 (545366) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887129)

Yeah, just like no one cared when he released the DeCSS code.

Re:But (1)

awing0 (545366) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887113)

That will just start an arms race, perhaps even increasing the amount of people working against Apple.

DVD-Jon is a terrorist! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887020)

When will the this commie bastard be stopped from stealing money from corporations?????

THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION (3, Funny)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887128)

We must immediately invade Norway and effect a REGIME CHANGE in order to prevent any future threat to this great country. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

- Dubya

Is this guy an idiot? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887025)

Get in trouble. Long, laborious litigation. What was solved? Nothing. Consumers don't have more rights. It's still a pain in the ass to decode DVDs, and now he's on a bunch of corporate sharks' bad sides.

Then, he decides to go and pull this shit AND be vocal about it. Kid, seriously, grow up. Yes, it's very nice that you're demonstrating your "freedom". How about learning some common sense with that, Jones? You just got out of major litigation, now you want to swim back into it? Even a guy who jaywalks knows to avoid the police immediately after getting fingered.

Let's see, which of the following choices would've had the best effect:

* Immediately releasing a hack just after litigation.
* Releasing it anonymously.
* Waiting until the temperature settled, then quietly sneaking this past Apple and opening a bunch of doors in the process.

I vote the last one.

Re:Is this guy an idiot? (3, Informative)

leehwtsohg (618675) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887131)

unless you really think you are innocent

What's The Point? (2, Interesting)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887026)

iTunes isn't available for Linux, and it probably never will ever be.

So where would a Linux user get purchased music from iTunes from? From his Windows or Mac computer. This is a what passes for win for Linux users??

It seems to be a cute exercise, but not a very useful thing, unless you hate Apple's horrific, evil DRM oh so much.

Leave it alone (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887042)

Christ, he just barely got away with the DeCSS thing. He should keep a low profile. They know where he lives. He's advertising to be arrested again.

Re:Leave it alone (4, Insightful)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887153)

He's trying to play media that he legally purchased on Linux. This is exactly the argument that he used in his DeCSS defense. Until Norway passes a law making that illegal, he's perfectly safe.

Re:Leave it alone (1)

ircShot_guN (737033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887187)

Actually, according to /.'s last story [slashdot.org] (RE the DeCSS litigation) he is on holidays.

Nice to see what some people consider a holiday; cracking file restriction algorthims.

What's the point? (3, Interesting)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887053)

What is the point here?
Ok, so you can play iTunes AAC files on *Nix PCs, provided you have the key. Wouldn't it just be easier to download it off of Kazaa? You can find cover art with google, and you can use SoulSeek to find high quality rips. That gets rid of two arguements right there.

iTunes DRM is WEAK, man. Burn it to CDRW and rip the sucker again, it's as easy as jumping over a subway turnstile. Why are we wasting time with a pointless thing like this, why not crack WMP or something harder with a better payoff?

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

OutRigged (573843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887162)

Not everyone likes to pirate music. Some people would love to buy a song on iTunes and be able to listen to it on Linux.

Now calling Apple legal (2, Insightful)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887054)

You know, ever since Apple has released OS X and their new sexy metallic machines (what's next? Gallium?), their legal department has been surreptitiously quiet. This development might make the "evil" side of Apple show itself again... It will be interesting to see if this development will affect their stance any on Quicktime for Linux...

Thanks for pissing in the bath water, Jon (-1, Troll)

Gay Nigger (676904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887056)

Just when Apple looked like it was going to have a viable model for distributing music online, here comes an IP zealot who is hell bent on breaking any DRM scheme, no matter how permissive.

He has left Apple with a rather unpleasant choice: either make the DRM much more restrictive, or shut down the service altogether, because you can be sure that the RIAA won't let Apple continue distributing in an easily-pirated format. I couldn't think of a better argument to give the supporters of hardware DRM. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us, Jon. I hope your Feds raid your house and "accidently" shoot you.

Re:Thanks for pissing in the bath water, Jon (2, Insightful)

vegetablespork (575101) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887106)

That's because any DRM scheme, no matter how permissive, is the camel's nose under the tent for much more intrusive schemes. Love the username, BTW.

Re:Thanks for pissing in the bath water, Jon (2, Insightful)

Gilesx (525831) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887124)

Yeah damnit! He ruined it! I was really really happy paying the same price for 0s and 1s as I would for a product that I could hold in my hands, had pretty artwork and a case and better overall sound quality. It was sooooo cool that I could only play my 0s and 1s in 3 different places - it made me feel like I was part of an "elite music club" and was much better than CDs that *anyone* can borrow and enjoy - I mean after all, music shouldn't be enjoyed by everyone, just those with money to burn, right?

Now what am I going to do? :(

Apple's DRM is more user friendly (3, Insightful)

GerbilSocks (713781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887066)

At least Apple's version of DRM would go virtually unnoticed by casual listeners of music. iTunes DRM was designed to deter heavy pirates, but in all fairness, their DRM scheme is the best of the bunch. There are several ways to circumvent iTunes DRM, but at least DVD Jon's implementation just means it's less of a hassle for the said casual user.

WMP (3, Interesting)

SJ (13711) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887076)

So if this guy is so great, has he broken Windows Media yet?

Re:WMP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887093)

Microsoft already broke it. From day one.

Wait (5, Funny)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887082)

So can we change his name to iTunes-Jon. Or better yet how about iDVD-Jon. Kinda catchy, actually.

Itunes. (1, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887083)

Due to a series of drive crashes I lost what music I bought from iTunes but, due to the way itunes works, I am unable to download the music again.

Why? It isn't like I bought a digital object, I just bought a string of bits.

Re:Itunes. (2, Interesting)

Have Blue (616) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887139)

You *did* buy a digital object. That was the original difference between Apple's store and the other DRM implementations: You have complete freedom to do anything you want with the file with the Finder. You just need authorization to use (play, burn) it in iTunes. You are free to, and Apple recommends that you, copy the file for backup purposes.

skipping commercials... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887084)

"The RIAA can at any time change the DRM rules," he wrote in November, "and considering their history, it's likely that they will when the majority of consumers have embraced DRM and non-DRM products have been phased out. Some DVDs today include commercials which can't be skipped using 'sanctioned' players. If the RIAA forces Apple to include commercials, what excuses will the Mac zealots come up with? 'It's a good compromise'?"

Well, one can always try a patch [rpc1.org] , although I wonder if the DMCA would apply. It's not circumventing a copyrighted work, it's the exact opposite-- circumventing having to WATCH a copyrighted work.

MOD CHILDREN UP! ;)

So what's the secret? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887089)

So, what's the secret to iTunes DRM? What is the encryption algorithm and how are the keys stored and how did DVD-Jon figure it out? We want details! I looked at the code and it was a lot of big tables and bit twiddling code... no way for a mere mortal like me to deduce anything.

uhh why? (0)

SirPhreak (122663) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887108)

burn a cd --> rip to mp3

easy, simple.

don't waste your time.

Re:uhh why? (1)

awing0 (545366) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887160)

I'll probably get modded redundant, because a million others will tell you the same thing. The AAC file is lossy compression already, by burning and ripping into mp3, you lose more quality, a lot more. Just because you put it on CD doesn't magically transform your music back into CD quality sound.

Re:uhh why? (1)

OutRigged (573843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887185)

Decoding from, and then re-encoding to mp3 degrades the quality of a song signifigantly. A good example of this is recompressing a jpeg file.

Save an image as a jpeg, then open that file again, saving it as bmp or png, then once again open the file, and save it as a jpeg. The new jpeg will look quite bad. The same thing happens to mp3s when they're re-encoded, or any other lossy format for that matter.

linux users pay for things? (1)

highwaytohell (621667) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887109)

This is all well and good, but you can still download mp3's for free, and as far as i know, most linux users that i know of still download mp3's and don't pay a cent. Either that or if they like the music enough, will go ahead and buy the CD. Its a nifty crack, don't get me wrong, but i doubt the majority of linux users will take a stab at it.

If this turns out to be straightforward... (1, Interesting)

ChangeOnInstall (589099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887118)

...I'll be opening an iTunes account very soon, where previously I would not have considered it. The two primary computers where I listen to music are Linux PCs at work and at home. I'm unwilling to burn AACs to a CD and then re-encode them (with additional loss) into MP3s or Oggs.

I just hope Apple gets the message and removes all DRM from their music. At that point, I'd encourage others who do not have technical knowledge to buy music using the service as well.

I take it that it is the RIAA that mandates the DRM though and not Apple?

Sounds cumbersome for swapping (5, Interesting)

Bakafish (114674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887127)

Not that I would advocate such use. But this requires the key to be distributed with each file. Keep in mind that said key is *known* by apple, and directly tied to your account, it isn't something I would recommend sending out into the wild. On the other hand, using it on your own equipment to get around that creepy three machine registration limit seems like a good thing. If anything ever happened to Apple and your registered machine bit the dust, being able to back up a valid copy of your key seems like a good thing.

The thing is that AFAIK VLC isn't set up to manage multiple key+file pairs. So it is useful for *your* library, but not various files downloaded off the net. For that reason, I doubt they will go after him.

My question is, how does the iPod decrypt the file without a key? Or is it simply using the parent boxes key? It seems to me that if that's the case it should be trivial to recover the key from an iPod directly, no PC required (Just a Mac :-)

This is dangerous ground we tread on (5, Insightful)

grioghar (228683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887138)

On one side of the coin, this is definately great news for everyone not running Windows or OS X who still want to listen to their DRM'd AAC files. Now, there is some portability to these files, and the ability to cue them up in VLC.

On the flipside, when some music industry execs look at this and wonder why they can't control their content, there are a number fingers going to be point at the OSS community because of it.

Where do we draw the line at control? The **AA industries wants to control their content, and we (I use "we" very loosely) want to have control over that which we've purchased. But who truly owns the bits? A series of 1s and 0s? Who's allowed to make the rules?

I know who I WANT to make the rules, me, of course. But I also know who legally gets to make the rules at this point. Them. I don't want the music industry to get pissed off and take my iTunes away. I've found a legal, beneficial means to aquire my music. I want MORE options, not less because of wary industry execs who don't want to have their content cracked.

And let's not even bring the DMCA into the picture here...

Sticking it in their face (0)

OYAHHH (322809) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887154)

Now,

That's what I call sticking it in the entertainments industry's face.

Obviously DVD Jon has just been waiting to stick it to whom-ever he can.

"I've just been acquited, I think I'll yank their chains again".

Article text (-1, Redundant)

kiwipeso (467618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887200)

Exclusive Norwegian programmer Jon Lech Johansen, who broke the DVD encryption scheme, has opened iTunes locked music a tad further, by allowing people to play songs they've purchased on iTunes Music Store on their GNU/Linux computers.

"We're about to find out what Apple really thinks about Fair Use," Johansen told The Register via email.

Johansen cracked iTunes DRM scheme in November by releasing code for a small Windows program that dumps the stream to disk in raw AAC format. This raw format required some trivial additions to convert it to an MP4 file that could be played on any capable computer.

But in the best Apple ease-of-use tradition, Johansen has now made this completely seamless, integrating it with the VideoLAN streaming free software project.

How it works
Johansen deduced that the system key that locks the locked music to a single Windows computer is derived from four factors: the serial number of the C: drive, the system BIOS version, the CPU name and the Windows Product ID.

"When you run the VideoLAN Client under Windows it will write the user key to a file. The user key is system independent and can thus be used by the GNU/Linux version of VLC," he explains.

While Apple's iTunes Music Store is restricted to Windows and Apple computers, and Apple only supports its own iPod player as a playback device, VideoLAN is GPL software that runs on a wide variety of computers including Linux, the BSDs, Solaris and even QNX. Although users are at present permitted to burn a CD with music they've purchased, only three Apple or Windows computers are "authorized" at any time. These terms may be tightened at any time, Johansen himself noted recently.

"The RIAA can at any time change the DRM rules," he wrote in November, "and considering their history, it's likely that they will when the majority of consumers have embraced DRM and non-DRM products have been phased out. Some DVDs today include commercials which can't be skipped using 'sanctioned' players. If the RIAA forces Apple to include commercials, what excuses will the Mac zealots come up with? 'It's a good compromise'?"

Reaction
"The restrictions are very frustrating for consumers, and frankly, are unnecessary," Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Fred Von Lohmann told The Register.

"Every song on iTunes Music Store has been available on the Peer to Peer networks within four hours. All the DRM does is frustrate legitimate consumers; it doesn't stop file sharing," he says. "The real innovation of the last several years was Kazaa and the other file sharing applications. These are leaps and bounds more relevant than iTunes Music Store."

Although the number of downloaders has diminished in the face of lawsuits by the RIAA, tens of millions of Internet users continue to share music on the P2P networks, dwarfing the number of locked-music downloads from DRM stores such as Apple's iTMS.

Apple is widely expected to announce more locked music playback hardware at the MacWorld show in San Francisco this week. But with support growing for flat fee licensing models even amongst record industry executives, today's DRM Goldrush (and the ensuing iTunes vs Windows Media war) could be a very short lived skirmish.

Johansen broke the CSS encryption scheme on DVDs - a case the Norwegian government finally let go - so he could watch a movie that he'd legitimately purchased on his Linux PC. Now millions of Linux users can do the same with iTunes locked music. You can download the code here. http://developers.videolan.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /vlc/modules/demux/mp4/?cvsroot=VideoLAN
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