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Mini-iPod Mystery Drive Unveiled?

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the melts-in-your-mouth dept.

Data Storage 434

squiggleslash writes "One of the aspects of the '2G mini-iPod' rumour that's so far made it unlikely is the lack of a tiny, cheap, 2G, drive. Well, today Cornice has announced a 2G hard drive (PDF, 100k) that fits the bill. It's available for about $70 in lots of 100,000. The Mac Rumour sites are going faily nuts over this for obvious reasons. The reason the drive is so cheap is that it contains virtually no driver electronics, there's not even a memory buffer - this is the equivalent of a 1980's RLL or MFM drive. At $70 it seems unlikely that the mini-iPod, assuming it's announced tomorrow, will be under $100, but on the other hand the original iPod sold for the same price as the harddrive inside it. Here's hoping..."

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I wonder.... (1, Interesting)

Taboo (263223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887618)

how the hard drive data density trend compares with Moore's Law.

Re:I wonder.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887679)

My, what an "Informative" question!
Way to go, moderator asshats.

Wikipedia has the answer (5, Informative)

Texas Rose on Lava L (712928) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887714)

Although Moore's law has since the 1970s been defined in terms of the number of transistors on a chip, it is common to refer to Moore's law in reference to the rapid continuing advance in computing power per dollar cost.

A similar progression has held for hard disk storage available per dollar cost - in fact, the rate of progression in disk storage over the past 10 years or so has actually been faster than for semiconductors--although, largely because of production cost issues, hard drive performance increases have lagged significantly.

Link [wikipedia.org]

Re:I wonder.... (-1, Flamebait)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887721)

damn that was informative. thanks

Fallacious. (2, Insightful)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887733)

I realize that both are electronic devices, but one is a measure of speed, one is a measure of density/capacity. It would be like comparing kph and kg.

Try again (4, Informative)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887814)

I realize that both are electronic devices, but one is a measure of speed, one is a measure of density/capacity. It would be like comparing kph and kg.


Which one is the measure of speed? HD capacity is a measure of capacity (duh). Moore's law was a measure of capacity (transistors per IC to be precise).

Re:Fallacious. (1)

Hobophile (602318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887852)

Moore's Law was originally based on observations that transistor density on integrated circuits doubled roughly every 18 months.

Thus it's not so wildly off the mark to compare that generalization to one about storage density increases.

Re:I wonder.... (2, Informative)

deglr6328 (150198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887746)

very [ibm.com] favorably [ucsd.edu] ?

i like sladhsot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887621)

furst post, i eat wurst

What the heck are "faily nuts"? n/t (-1, Offtopic)

Dlugar (124619) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887623)

I don't even want to speculate.

Dlugar

Re:What the heck are "faily nuts"? n/t (-1, Offtopic)

telstar (236404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887642)

"What the heck are "faily nuts"? n/t"
  • What you don't realize is that the Slashdot editors have a little "first TO post" battle going on among them. 10 Points if you're the first to post a story. 20 if you're the first to repost the story. Leads to all sorts of typos.


Re:What the heck are "faily nuts"? n/t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887650)

Apparently they belong in the "melts-in-your-mouth" dept.

Mmmmmmm, gay penises. Thank you, Apple!

Dear Apple, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887630)



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first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887631)

haha.

Re:first post (-1, Troll)

Squirrley (708130) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887846)

I like how your first post was more of a fourth...

dont need driver electronics (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887632)

just write it into the firmware, the driver is just a magnetic memory array, DUH, i'll be buying a $70 ipod thanks very much

Re:dont need driver electronics (-1, Offtopic)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887749)

dont you love it when the first or second comment in a story gets moderated as redundant?

Re:dont need driver electronics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887815)

Redundant != Repetitive The post is superfluous; it doesn't add anything to the discussion, it basically restates the obvious and what the article said.

redundant
adj.
1. Exceeding what is necessary or natural; superfluous.
2. Needlessly wordy or repetitive in expression: a student paper filled with redundant phrases.
3. Of or relating to linguistic redundancy.
4. Chiefly British. Dismissed or laid off from work, as for being no longer needed.
5. Electronics. Of or involving redundancy in electronic equipment.
6. Of or involving redundancy in the transmission of messages.

Re:dont need driver electronics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887861)

kind of like your post?

faily nuts? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887639)

What does it mean to go "faily nuts"? Some bizarre Mac fanboy homosexual ball-slapping ritual? Like a IPOD circle jerk?

Finally! (3, Insightful)

GrievousAngel (220826) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887640)

I can ditch my cheap-ass knock-off and get the real thing!

Re:Finally! (1, Interesting)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887660)

Ill stick with my zaurus + memory cards I just have to swap music every once in a while, but its a much more versatile device :)

Other uses (5, Interesting)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887651)

While this may allow for an iPod that I can finally be able to afford. I am more interested in the implicationgs for other handheld devices like palm pilot. This is just another step towards having fully functioning PC in a handheld device.

Fully functioning PC in a handheld device? (4, Funny)

Enucite (10192) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887817)

[accent="outrageous french"] No thanks, I've already got one [zaurus.com] , you see. It's very ni-suh.[/accent]

$70 for a 2 gig drive! (2, Interesting)

strider69666 (733972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887652)

Jesus, that gave me a flashback! A bad one too. For a second there, I was reliving shelling out $200 for 64Mb of PC66 RAM. But seriously, what kind of seek time does a micro 2Gb drive have with no buffer and virtually no electronics? And how many platters is it/could it use?

How is that off topic? (0, Offtopic)

strider69666 (733972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887689)

How the heck is it off topic to post a question about a hard drive that is PART OF THE MAIN POST? C'mon, that's a load of carp.

Re:How is that off topic? (1)

n0nsensical (633430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887751)

You must be new here.

Re:How is that off topic? (1)

jdifool (678774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887841)

Hi,

he may be new, but nonetheless he is right.

His post is not Offtopic. Somebody can answer him : this is the price of miniaturization. And that's it. But get prepared to pay for more than that to get that little cute white thing in your pocket.

Apple moderating zealotry is one of the most unbearable thing down there. Shame on you ! ;0

Regards,
jdif

Re:$70 for a 2 gig drive! (4, Interesting)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887691)

Well even seek times of even 100ms would be more than acceptable for playing back compressed audio. Transfer rate would n't need to be high either, 0.5mb/sec would mean most songs could be cached to memory in a few seconds.

Re:$70 for a 2 gig drive! (4, Funny)

Seehund (86897) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887801)

Well even seek times of even 100ms would be more than acceptable for playing back compressed audio.

That's impressive. I've heard of portable audio players with seek times of up to several minutes.

I think they're called "Walkman" or something like that.

Aah, memories... PRESS PLAY ON TAPE.

Transfer rate of 4.5 mB/s (1)

willy_me (212994) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887825)

If I recall correctly..

Re:$70 for a 2 gig drive! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887712)

Please stop commenting on the topic of this Slashdot story. This apparently makes your posts "Offtopic".

Uuuh, yeah, I wonder about what you're wondering about as well. Now watch the moron moderators mark this "Informative".

Re:$70 for a 2 gig drive! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887745)

$200 for 64MB? I remember when it was $50 a meg. I had a 2MB machine and I needed 4MB to play some stupid game but I didn't want to lay out the cash.

Flash Memory (0)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887656)

Why don't they just use flash memory? It's almost as small and has no moving parts. I don't want my iPod to go farming and need a new hard drive if I drop it.

Re:Flash Memory (4, Interesting)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887681)

Got anywhere I can buy 2 gigabyte flash memory cards for $100 or so?

As for the dropping problem, everyone I know who has an iPod has dropped it at least once, no problems.

Re:Flash Memory (0, Redundant)

martyn s (444964) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887808)

I've never dropped MY iPod....

Re:Flash Memory (4, Informative)

laird (2705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887709)

"Why don't they just use flash memory? It's almost as small and has no moving parts."

Price and capacity. You can get a 2 GB hard drive for $70, and the largest, cheapest flash RAM card I can find is 1 GB for $290 (retail), making 2 GB at least that much wholesale, and probably more. It's very hard to profitably sell an MP3 player for $100 that contains $300 of flash storage. :-)

BOM Cost... (5, Interesting)

jasno (124830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887657)

$70/100k? So maybe apple buys 500k and gets it for $55.. Add in the electronics and case tooling... Probably costs apple $90 to make. That'd put the cost around $150-$180, unless they want to sell it at cost, but then its still pushing $125.

Just my 2 cents...

Re:BOM Cost... (1)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887695)

doubt they would sell them at cost, if you remember correctly, apple makes little or no money off itunes, it uses it to promote the sale of ipods. (Was on /. a while back)

Re:BOM Cost... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887769)

And I thought iPods were to promote the sale of Macs and Macs were to promote the sale of headache medicine.

Re:BOM Cost... (5, Interesting)

laird (2705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887759)

"70/100k? So maybe apple buys 500k and gets it for $55.. Add in the electronics and case tooling... Probably costs apple $90 to make. That'd put the cost around $150-$180, unless they want to sell it at cost, but then its still pushing $125."

I think that even at $199 a 2 GB iPod could really excite people. $150 would be pretty amazing, but then Apple's margins would be pretty low (relative to the current iPods) so it'd have to be a volume play.

Perhaps Apple could bundle pre-paid music from iTMS, to make the effective price $100? For example, $199 bundled with $100 of music is kinda like a $100 iPod. Music companies do discounted promotional bundles all the time, so this wouldn't be far fetched. And for bundling with an iPod, it could be pre-loaded on the hard drive, or pre-paid (gift certificate) to download from iTMS, so there would be no physical costs, just licensing costs. Or perhaps each iPod comes with $100 of sode (which gives iTunes away)? :-)

WHy not (2, Insightful)

RedHat_Linux_Man (692702) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887664)

If you're going for storage, why not get the full size iPod? If you are going for small, why not get a smaller player, there are much smaller ones out there that hold a considerable amount, albeit not as much as iPod Jr.

Re:WHy not (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887835)

The new iPod that this drive is supposedly intended for will be a much smaller player.

Even if it wasn't, the selling point is that this is going to be a cheap, load-it-up-and-forget-it, player. Right now the choices are between cheap, constantly-reupdate-it-with-different-music, type players where you can barely fit more than two or three hours of music on them at a time, and expensive maintain-irregularly players like the iPod.

This adds something new. And it'll be small and cheap too, if the rumours are to be believed.

Oh, and First Post trolls: I meant to write "fairly nuts", meaning "quite crazy" or "slightly insane". Sorry about that. I note I also put spaced hard-drive inconsistantly too. So shoot me ;)

Re:WHy not (0)

Squirrley (708130) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887866)

wait... i didn't even notice that typo...
"dyslexics of the world, untie!"

Re:WHy not (1)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887838)

If you are going for small, why not get a smaller player, there are much smaller ones out there

To make a claim like this AND it be informed, you would have had to have seen an iPod Jr (or whatever they may be called). If so, the entire apple community (and others) would really appreciate a picture of it.

The PDF, at least as far as I saw after DLing it, didn't mention the size of the drive. Granted it is more likely than not larger than SOME MP3 players, it would be a shame to jump to such conclusions with no evidence.

But someone will probably put me in my place...

lot of spinning (3, Insightful)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887666)

there's not even a memory buffer no memory buffer means, there could be a lot of spinning which might excessive noise. just RLL MFM drive about 10 years ago.
i dont want hear noises of the hard drive spinning in the background when I am listening to Bob Seger. :)

Re:lot of spinning (4, Funny)

jaysones (138378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887706)

Hmm, I'd rather listen to a hard drive spinning than Bob Seger.

:D

Re:lot of spinning (1)

oPless (63249) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887858)

Bob Who ?

Re:lot of spinning (1)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887729)

Im sure if the ipod jr used this drive it would take care of the buffering on its own.

Not really (1)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887732)

Just means you use the memory connected to your microcontroller instead of having memory in the drive. The music buffer in the iPOD is n't the one in the drive, it's in main memory too. They're just lowering the cost by utilizing the processing power in the host cpu instead of including it the drive.

Re:lot of spinning (5, Insightful)

dhovis (303725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887740)

No memory buffer on the drive is no big deal if you are just going to:
  1. Spin up the hard drive
  2. Load content into onboard memory
  3. Spin down the drive

The memory buffer on the HD itself is so the electronics on the drive can try to guess ahead what data will be asked for next. So on something like the iPod, where the HD only spins up once every 20 minutes, the buffer integrated into the drive only adds expense and doesn't help performance.

Re:lot of spinning (1)

mroch (715318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887773)

It'd have to be one LOUD hard drive to be able to hear it over the kick-ass earbuds that come with the current iPods...

Re:lot of spinning (1)

Quobobo (709437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887789)

Kick-ass? I'm nowhere near being an audiophile, and I think they sound like crap...

Re:lot of spinning (1)

Taboo (263223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887777)

i dont want hear noises of the hard drive spinning in the background when I am listening to Bob Seger
At a billion bits per sq inch, the future of small-device storage will probably look like something along the lines of IBM Millipedes [ibm.com] . Like you said, with moving parts you're bound to get noise, not to mention a higher chance of breakage.

Re:lot of spinning (3, Insightful)

Pfhor (40220) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887783)

Apple puts memory buffer in the ipod itself. It has a 32 meg buffer, loads as much of the songs / playlist into it, and then spins down the drive. Apple could easily pop a small flash chip on there, that acts like the buffer, keeping the database of information on it. Sounds like a pretty effecient design to me, instead of using the minature buffer on a drive, etc.

You forget a missing piece... (5, Insightful)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887674)

Another important aspect of why this is a good candidate for the drive that Apple might use is because its compatible with the PortalPlayer audio processor... which is the one that the iPod uses.

Re:You forget a missing piece... (1)

doc_brown (73383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887715)

Damn.. if this is true (I'm doing my research on gotr00t's statement as I type), then I have to side with the people who say the new system will have this drive in it.

The timing and the spec's make it a prime suspect to be the internals.

Why would you? (4, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887682)

My 20Gig iPod holds my entire music collection with room to spare, about 5Gig to spare I think. My mother's 10Gig will fit everything once she's pruned out some stuff she doesn't listen to anymore (I converted her entire CD collection as part of the birthday present, so she didn't have the opportunity to decide what not to bother about.)

Why would anyone buy an iPod too small to hold their entire collection. One of the best features is that you only need to connect it to the PC when you buy a new CD or whatever. I've owned a range of portable music devices and I'd never ever buy another one that couldn't just handle my entire library at once.

A quick bit of math; Assume 1MB/minute, 2Gig = 2048 minutes = 34 hours. That's somewhere between 3 days and a week. I've gone a month without connecting my iPod to my library.

Re:Why would you? (3, Insightful)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887713)

Because some people dont have 300$+ to shell out on a high tech walkman that does little else

Re:Why would you? (4, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887813)

Except it does!

You can back up your computer
Boot off it
Keep track of appointments
Keep track of phone numbers
Play Solitaire
Listen to MP3s
Safeguard $3k worth of music

In fact... it's about as useful as a PC running Windows 95!

I'm joking, but the worth of an iPod is >>> than just an MP3 player. It's a portable firewire powered hard drive that also happens to play MP3s

Re:Why would you? (3, Insightful)

plj (673710) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887797)

Why would anyone buy an iPod too small to hold their entire collection.

Perhaps, because someone [slashdot.org] here cannot afford the more expensive large-HD version, you insensitive clod!

But if you insist, I can post my IBAN account number here, so you can donate the necessary euro-$$$ for me.

Re:Why would you? (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887812)

In addition to a lower price, the resulting IPod would be physically smaller. That would appeal to joggers and the like...

because (0)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887819)

the $300 federal iPod stipends were cancelled during the latest Bush tax cut.

Re:Why would you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887856)

I could ask you the same thing. My music collection is over 40 GB. No IPod would hold it. Even if there was, it would be WAY more expensive than I want to pay.

I'd use a 2GB player for my commute. It would work fine.

Toshiba? (1)

dubbayu_d_40 (622643) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887694)

I thought it was going to be a Toshiba drive that will be announced at CES. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,391184 79,00.htm

New Rumor - GarageBand (2, Interesting)

joekra (722518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887696)

MacRumors [macrumors.com] is also confident that a new product called GarageBand will be released tomorrow. Probably a consumer audio application

Garage Band [macrumors.com]

hi, my name is timmy.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887700)

and I m fucking dork.

tonight baby (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887718)

nerds suck dorks

Re:hi, my name is timmy.. (-1, Flamebait)

Squirrley (708130) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887728)

no shit, sherlock

More likely to be $199.... (5, Insightful)

djrogers (153854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887703)

I'm not much of a rumor monger, but I like this one, so I'll bite. Given Apple's penchant for building quality and pricing things higher than the competition, I'd not be surprised if this were a $199 job (no pun intended). At $199 apple can still be competetitive price-wise, but avoid scavenging sales from their 10GB model only $100 higher in price. $199 is easier to swallow - and if the little baby is significantly smaller and cooler, I'd not be surprised if Apple wound up selling them to a lot of existing iPod owners too... So let's summarize - at $99 they'd likely lose money, scavenge sales from the 'big' ones, have to skimp on the quality of the device, and way underprice the competition. At $199 they'd have a nice margin, and leave more headroom for the high quality and design that could drive re-sales... D

Re:More likely to be $199.... (1)

dhovis (303725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887822)

I gotta agree with this, but they might bundle it with a new Mac for $99....

possibilities (2, Funny)

bpbond (246836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887705)

just think, string together half a dozen of these w/ a controller, and you'd have... iPod RAID!

Never, ever, have a song skip.

Re:possibilities (1)

xSquaredAdmin (725927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887736)

The could call it iRAID!

Fine, here is an ON topic post... (3, Interesting)

strider69666 (733972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887717)

Being as the drive is a micro drive, and the abuse it will undoubtedly recieve, are these drives up to the task? How well are they stress tested to make sure that they would be suitable for a mini-Ipod? I have heard complaints about regular Ipod drives not lasting as long as expected, so I wonder if a micro drive would fail even faster.

markup (1)

ACG521 (722056) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887719)

At $70 it seems unlikely that the mini-iPod, assuming it's announced tomorrow, will be under $100, but on the other hand the original iPod sold for the same price as the harddrive inside it.

If the harddrive costs $70, I don't think a $30 markup is unreasonable, considering the iPod (and the low profit - if any at all - iTunes) is really just a tool to increase Apple's customer base. They need to make money somehow.

Hang on... (2, Interesting)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887723)

All along we've heard that iTunes isn't making Apple any money and that it's really just a way to push iPods out the door. If that's the case, how could they be selling the iPod at the same cost as the hard drive within it? Assuming they get some bulk discount, that's still very little profit there.

So how do the books balance out? I would expect if Apple is so interested in pushing the iPods [as evidenced by the creation of iTunes], they'd want to get a nice profit from each unit sold.

Re:Hang on... (4, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887845)

You misunderstand ^^

The original 5gb iPod was sold at the same price as the standalone 5gb Toshiba drive... but Apple undoubtedly got tremendous profit due to buying the drive in bulk. Perhaps the same case here: $70 in lots of 100,000, but I am willing to bet Apple can procure and easily sell a million of these. If they can get them at $50 each, and then bundle $50 of electronics, and then sell it for $199, they are making huge markup, no?

Re:Hang on... (2, Interesting)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887850)

Maybe they are pushing ipods to bring themselves into the consumer eye again, and promote the sale of their computers (Which must have fucking huge! margins considering how overpriced they are)

Did anyone else notice? (0)

CptChipJew (301983) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887725)

The altitude listed in that brochure is 10k feet. How well will this thing function at 30k feet in an airplane?

Although I also noticed the same listing for the standard iPod.

Re:Did anyone else notice? (2, Insightful)

juuri (7678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887744)

Ever heard of a pressurized cabin?

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0, Redundant)

Squirrley (708130) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887750)

i'm assuming that you would be in a _presurized_ airplain, so it should work fine...

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0, Redundant)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887760)

In a pressurized cabin probably pretty good.

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0, Redundant)

vijayiyer (728590) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887766)

Airplane cabins are pressurized.

Re:Did anyone else notice? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887774)

Well, that rather depends on whether the inside of the airplane is pressurized to the same pressure as the atmosphere nearer ground. If you're planning to use this thing in a Lancaster Bomber or a Flying Fortress, my advice would be don't. For a conventional, modern, passenger plane, I don't think you have anything to worry about...

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0, Redundant)

martyn s (444964) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887776)

An airplane that flies at 30k feet usually has a pressurized cabin.

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887792)

The cabin is pressurized. Standard USAF numbers are presurized to 8000 feet during the day and 6000 feet at night. When you're flying commercial, if the cabin altitude (air pressure in the cabin) gets anywhere near FL350, the oxygen masks will pop out of the ceiling.

Re:Did anyone else notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887802)

Modern passenger airplanes pressurize their cabins to simulate being at an altitude of 10k. If cabin pressure dropped to what it is at 30k, the oxygen masks would drop, and you probably wouldn't be thinking about your ipod.

A better question is: What happens to my ipod when I climb Mt. Everest?

$100 dollar IPOD.. (0)

greygoose (656584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887734)

Assuming that Apple can get the drives slightly less than the $70 announced in the article, It seems very possible that they will sell a smaller Ipod for around cost. Such a price would only help their hold on the online digital music sales with Itunes. I am sure they are looking at the bigger picture on grabbing a bigger market of people with ipods that will be able to play their DRM music file.

Re:$100 dollar IPOD.. (1)

DaveCBio (659840) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887826)

I thought iTunes was a break even venture at best?

Good Lord, that's smalls (5, Interesting)

hackshack (218460) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887738)

If ya'll check the PDF, the drive itself is only about 40x40mm square. This is about the size of the current iPod's LCD screen. Perhaps Apple will omit the LCD or replace it with a single- or dual-line display to save money... one would think navigation would be impaired as a result, but perhaps they've got something up their sleeves. They've gotta save money somewhere, in any case... perhaps they've figured out a way to reduce the number of on board ICs from 4-5 to 1-2. Maybe it'll be essentially a USB "thumb drive" with no cable to speak of... it'll save on FireWire controllers at least.

Interesting how, despite the poster's comparison to old-tyme MFM drives, the Cornice is apparently equipped with a "true IDE" interface. Dunno what level ATA that is, but parts is parts to a certain extent, and it looks like a fairly simple drop-in solution. The iPod, despite being incredibly compact, uses no custom ICs- everything's all off the shelf- this was done on purpose and the Cornice SE jives perfectly with this design methodology.

Maybe this'll be the next Gameboy, from a pop culture standpoint.

This is the beginning of something good... (5, Interesting)

overbyj (696078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887758)

One of the biggest gripes about the iPod has been the price (let's not get into the battery issue here). These mini-iPods will fill a void in the Apple lineup and compete with the lower end MP3 players. However, if they get these mini-iPods at a price point of around $120-150, they will crush the competition because of what the competition is selling pricewise.

I was in Best Buy recently and saw a Rio MP3 player with a whopping 128 MB for $109. If Apple gets a mini-iPod for about that price, who in their right mind will buy a Rio player for that price. The only potential drawback to the iPod is that it can't WMA files served up by MusicMatch, Napster and other crappy music services. Granted, if you are buying any iPod, you are probably not wasting your time with those sites anyway.

Here's to hoping to something good tomorrow at MacWorld. Please Steve, I want an affordable iPod!

If this is going to be used for the iPod... (1)

xSquaredAdmin (725927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887765)

then why, in the marketing PDF, do they only mention WMA, and not AAC?

Apple will makeup the difference in $99 batteries (-1, Troll)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887779)

How can Apple sell this mythical ipod device so cheap?

Easy, Apple can sell the unit at cost and make it up in $99 battery sales [lowendmac.com] . If you live in Europe (and are a loyal Apple customer), you can even sign a petition [petitiononline.com] asking them to please lower replacement battery prices. I personally won't buy anything from Apple until I know what the accessories and replacement parts cost.

Re:Apple will makeup the difference in $99 batteri (1)

donmiguel42 (586995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887857)

Ya think so? I'm not so sure...
As long as we're conjecturing here, I think I'll add one of my own. I'm betting that if this is indeed gonna hit the low end of the market (if it's $199 I don't consider it low end) it's gonna be powered by a AAA or a AA. I think it'd help the device's market penetration to be powered by something the masses trust. Granted, a Li-Ion solution would probably be the best, but as far as power is concerned, quite a few people in the target demo for this device are probably gonna be wary of something powered by a battery they can't touch. Just a thought...

SWEET! (3, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887788)

I am getting one as soon as they come out and swapping in my IBM XT 10 meg drive!

Fully fledged iPod for half the price! - Suckers!

Hmm...something seems not quite right...

A couple ways this could happen... (3, Interesting)

YllabianBitPipe (647462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887840)

After skimming all the Mac Rumour sites, here's some possibilities: iPod junior comes out with this micro drive but USB instead of Firewire. Or, iPod junior debuts with upgradeable flash storage. They give you a piddly amount to start, and keep it under 100 bucks that way. My money is on an iPod jr using the microdrive, USB, and priced at 149.

I laugh at you guys.. Never learn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7887848)

Thanks for the chuckle guys. It's soo funny to read these guys speculating about how apple is going to relase a cheap ipod.

These mac zealots never get it. When was the last time apple released a competitively priced piece of hardware?

You will be lucky if it costs 300$.

Too bad you'll have to replace it every 18 months (0, Offtopic)

cjmnews (672731) | more than 10 years ago | (#7887867)

At least according to the Neistat Brothers [ipodsdirtysecret.com] 18 months is the approximate lifespan of the unreplaceable battery. The only option is to buy a new one or spend nearly double to have them refurbish it.

This does not seem reasonable to me.
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