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Seeking Drivers for Unknown Apple Ethernet Card?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the what-card-is-this dept.

Apple 102

rbanffy asks: "Does anybody know what this card is? I am resurrecting an old Macintosh LC II and would like to attach it to a network. The card was inside it, but the hard disk had no drivers. It is an LC-PDS Ethernet card with RJ-45 and BNC connectors. The important parts seem to be a SMC 91c92 chip and an EPROM (haven't seen one in years) labeled 'LC ROM 44F0'. Could one of you can identify this critter and point me to the correct drivers?"

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Fucking idiot... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7900657)

Why don't you go to a MAC forum and ask this question instead of wasting everyone's time here? Fucking dumbass. Even worse are the fuckup editors who don't even read the shit that gets submitted here before posting it.

Re:Fucking idiot... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7900665)

So are you saying you don't know where to find drivers?

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Slow news day? (5, Insightful)

hool5400 (257022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900676)

News for nerd. Obscure stuff that matters to one person.

Re:Slow news day? (3, Insightful)

tres (151637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901670)

Sorry, but this isn't the 6:00 news, it isn't even a "news" site. Methinks maybe you put too much weight upon the funny slogan. There's no news published here; it's a discussion space. Topics are regularly provided by the "editors" for people read and dicuss, but that should not be mistaken for something which it is not.

Slashdot is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. If you don't like "Ask Slashdot" my suggestion is that you turn it off.

Re:Slow news day? (3, Insightful)

hool5400 (257022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901768)

There's not really a lot in this article to "read or discuss" now is there?

And that's the point. Discussing drivers for a 10 y.o. ethernet card, for a 10y.o computer, is not interesting. Nobody cares. Nobody gains anything from the answer to the submitters's question.

Ask slashdot should not become a friggin help desk for every monkey that comes along.

Re:Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7901882)

I think you failed to read the section you are posting in. I'll put it here in all caps, so that you see it.

ASK SLASHDOT.

Now I'll explain it too. This is the section where the folks among us who lack a certain bit of knowledge come, because if it's a tech question, there should be a handful of us in here that could possibly give a good answer, or even a correct one. I think you just need to get a grip and not be such a tool.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903311)

Hmm, I'm going to get modded into oblivion for this, but then why is the more relevant task of selecting a cable ISP, which is more likely to get helpful replies on Ask Slashdot, not put on?

*clicks No Karma Bonus checkbox*

Re:Slow news day? (1)

perlchild (582235) | more than 10 years ago | (#7905281)

Because you can get an old mac anywhere in the world? Whereas your cable ISP is something you have to qualify by geographical location. I'm thinking that's just the beginning.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7905549)

However, the two ISPs I'm considering are at least available in all areas that offer cable in the US (Earthlink and RoadRunner). The other ISPs are WCOILExpress, inter.net (these are only in the TW Columbus service area, as far as I know), and AOL for Broadband (NO WAY IN HELL...)

Re:Slow news day? (1)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909082)

roadrunner roadrunner roadrunner.

Now you know.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

perlchild (582235) | more than 10 years ago | (#7916989)

What you need is a place in your area that knows about these things, slashdot is international. I doubt someone in Japan could help you.
Ask slashdot is international, deal.
There are local techie groups for most about everything, if not, you got a great excuse to start one don't you?

MOD PARENT UP!!! +1000 Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7902770)

nfm

Re:Slow news day? (1)

escher (3402) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902933)

Okay, that does it. Hand over your Geek Card. We're revoking it. Here's your tie. Have a nice day.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

gobbo (567674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7904075)

You know, there's a really popular Mac website called Low End Mac. The old saw about Macs lasting forever really is true, those old SCSI hard drives keep chugging, and the build quality on those old machines gets them deployed in some surprising places. Add the typical Mac-nuttery you see in hobbyist fanboys and you've got a good reason to talk about poking around with old gear.

"Nobody cares. Nobody gains anything from the answer to the submitters's question."

The methods suggested for obtaining an answer to questions like this is of significant use to those of us who support low budget scenarios like schools or non-profits. One of the reasons Apple's market share is so apparently low is that their hidden installed user base contains quite a few 8-year-old machines running system 8.x.

Also,some of us like this kind of obscure nerdy challenge. It's a technomacho thing.

Re:Slow news day? (2, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901804)

The answers may be useful if they're not simply "Oh, it's an ACME Etherquik 2000, you can get a driver here [example.com] ."

I've been in the situation of having to hunt for drivers for not-even-particularly-obscure hardware items on Google, etc, and any replies that explain how the driver was found are going to be useful to me. Getting drivers for obscure hardware is an art, not a science.

Re:Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7912206)

your link is dead

Oh, COME on. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7900700)

I feel your pain. I know what it's like to need help with an old piece of hardware. But COME ON. This does NOT belong on a news site.

And how exactly did this get posted? (-1, Redundant)

deque_alpha (257777) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900726)

Come on editors... is this really front page worthy?

Re:And how exactly did this get posted? (2, Insightful)

dporowski (670734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900771)

Given that this would seem to be exactly what the concept of "Ask Slashdot" was invented for, I would hazard a reply of "Yes. Duh?"

Unless you're proposing that questions posed to the teeming masses of Slashdotia should be put where nobody will see them...

Re:And how exactly did this get posted? (4, Informative)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901098)

Well, I've got whole boxes of old cards that need to be identified. Maybe we should set up a photo gallery to identify all of them. But I didn't post pictures of any of mine here, so oh well. I guess.

The way I usually figure out what cards are and/or what settings they have is to boot a Slackware boot/root diskette set on the machine and read the kernel messages from the bootup. That's how I figured out the IRQ/IO addressing on the NE2000 card in the machine I run Minix on. Can't do that on a Mac, but you CAN boot up NetBSD, which is just as good.

Mac Driver Museum (5, Informative)

a.koepke (688359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900763)

You should check out the Mac Driver Museum [macdrivermuseum.com] . If they don't have the right one on their site already there is the MacDrivers Yahoo Group where you can ask.

More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (5, Funny)

LordOfYourPants (145342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900765)

"I have this song stuck in my head where the girl sings about things she can't get out of her head. Here's the .wav file of me humming it. What is it?"

"Ever see that movie where the guy gets the axe at the end and it takes place in the forest or something? I saw it when I was 7. What is it?"

"Anyone ever been on this roller coaster (I think it was in Ohio) where you do 3 loops and go into a mountain shaped like a dragon? What is it?"

"I saw this music video on TV.. everything was made out of cardboard and the girl was singing something about a "point of view." It was really good. What is it?"

"Ever play this game where you're this taxi and you have to pick up people and drop them off? They say "Pad 1 please!" and you have to drop them off at pad 1 while being careful not to land too hard. What is it?"

"I saw this picture of a bunch of red sand and rocks and it was like 10 megapixels big. What is that?"

"I saw this guy driving down the highway with a bunch of blue lights coming out of the bottom of his car. What are those?"

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (2, Interesting)

Bob the Hamster (705714) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900929)

A particularly cool thing about the internet is the fact that you really CAN get answers to such vaguely once questions. I once found the title and publisher of an out-of-publication 1980's russian cartoon simply asking around on newsgroups using only a vague secondhand description of one scene in the movie given to me by a friend who had only seen it once when she was like six years old. Withing 24 hours of asking, three different strangers had identified the movie and provided the information I needed to look up a used copy on amazon.com

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7907049)

So what was the flick? It sounds interesting.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900930)

Actually, I'd say that those are mostly more sensible than this one.

The submitter committed a number of grievious violations of netiquette.

* The submitter already knows part numbers. This is a Google problem. He should have already looked these up and need no help with these.

* If the submitter is unable to find part numbers, software procedures should have been tried. I'm not sure (never owned an LC-era machine) but if I wanted to know what a strange PCI card was, I'd pop it in my x86 Linux box and check /proc/pci for any information. There's probably some kind of equivalent for the LC.

* A picture is unlikely to help. Asking people to tear up their LCs for similar-looking cards is ridiculous.

* This question should, if the submitter could obtain *no* information at all themselves, then have gone to a classic Mac specific tech forum. Apple-based, one of the Usenet groups, IRC. All three should have been tried.

* In general, old hardware identification is a pretty drudge task. It's not something you ask other people to do. It's time-consuming, not particularly interesting, and a waste of time, since it's not going to be useful to other people. The kind of tech questions you want to ask (and gurus want to answer) are those that will help others as well. If you can't fix this yourself, instead of asking a quarter-million people to spend hours of skilled time solving your problem, buy a bloody used Ethernet card. I don't care who you are, you can afford it. People throw these things out.

The degeneration of Ask Slashdot is wildly frusterating to me. Ask Slashdot really is a useful feature, but it's incredibly abused. On the up side, it allows people to ask questions that require more feedback than just a poll. For example, "What is your favorite set of Google tricks?" or "What security procedures do you use for SSH key distribution?" Here we have something that will be useful and interesting to many techies, but will not be available on the Web. Furthermore, any of these are likely to produce futher conversation. This differs wildly from stories like the current one, which are of no use to anyoen but the submitter.

The other way Ask Slashdot is frequently abused is to post stories that are too uninteresting or biased to be accepted in the regular categories. Frequently, these take the form of "blah blah blah How do you feel about this? What suggestions do you have for SCO/Microsoft/etc?" This is simply not an appropriate forum for stories like this. If they aren't interesting enough for the proper categories, they aren't interesting enough to be on Slashdot.

The editors are also at fault for allowing so many poor Ask Slashdots to slip by.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

kommakazi (610098) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900940)

Unfortunately, it's not a PCI card, it's a custom Apple job.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900952)

Right, which is why I said that there's probably some equivalent for the PDS slot. There isn't always for legacy ISA, but those ISA cards required manual configuration. Mac hardware is pretty much always autodetected, and hence probably has to have some way to spit back an identifier to the machine.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7902101)

/proc/nubus, but the info given isn't that great.

Additionally, since this is an m68k box, it's highly unlikely he has a spare one running Linux kicking around. Installing Linux onto an m68k box isn't fun, I speak from experience, and given that the LC II is a '030 and he obviously doesn't have the 68882 FPU, it's highly unlikely that trying is even worth the effort.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

Random Frequency (34459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7912335)

the LCII prolly has one of those 68LCxxx jobs where it wasn't even possible to add an FPU. :(

Not a PCI card (1)

asterism (148910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901152)

If the submitter is unable to find part numbers, software procedures should have been tried. I'm not sure (never owned an LC-era machine) but if I wanted to know what a strange PCI card was, I'd pop it in my x86 Linux box and check /proc/pci for any information. There's probably some kind of equivalent for the LC.

No, it's a PDS card. PDS stands for Processor Direct Slot. Never seen one of them in an x86 box!

I bought one of these same cards for my LC III back in the day, but that was a few machines ago. I don't tend to throw things away, but finding an old driver might be pushing it...

Re:Not a PCI card (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901162)

Read the earlier response to my post.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902436)

I click on the "Ask Slashdot"s that I think might interest me and ignore the other ones. No one forces me to open the ones about which I don't care. I'm sorry to hear that the little green or gray men are holding a gun to your head and forcing you to waste your precious time on topics in which you have no interest.

Noise (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7905036)

I suppose you also just ignore spam too. Congratulations on achieving online nirvana. Unfortunately, most of us are less englightened, and have to waste actual time when we are forced to deal with this sort of thing.

Oops, I'm fresh out of irony. Going to flame mode.

Everyone who uses Slashdot is into online discussion. And why not? You learn stuff, you meet people, you exercise the brain cells defending your point of view. So resources that facilitate online discussion -- web communities like Slashdot, Wikis, mailing lists -- are really valuable to us. But the usefullness of these resources can degrade really quickly, if you don't watch out. What do you need to watch out for? Irrelevent Crap.

Where does IC come from? There's spam, of course, but most online resources have gotten pretty good at filtering that out. Nowadays, most IC has one source: Assholes.

Note that simple stupidity is not Assholedom. We all do stupid stuff: post poorly thought-out opinions, get sloppy about keeping a conversation on topic, yada yada. What separates this from true Assholedom is ego. An Asshole never admits mistakes, never admits to being misinformed, never lets anybody else have the last word. Assholedom is stupidity that demands to be heard and bullies its way to maximum exposure.

In extreme cases, Assholedom degenerates into simple, mindless trolling [nero-online.org] . But it's more common for Assholes to maintain the illusion that they're actually contributing to the conversation. The standard excuse for such mid-level assholes is "if you don't want to read it, don't read it." I have no patience for that cop-out.

Re:Noise (3, Insightful)

unitron (5733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909101)

"I suppose you also just ignore spam too."

I can usually tell by the subject line that it is spam and I just delete it.

I could tell from "Seeking Drivers for Unknown Apple Ethernet Card?" that this particular "Ask Slashdot" was probably about somebody with an old Apple ethernet card. The only Apple hardware I've got is an old IIe with no software but I still thought I might learn something from the replies, and I did.

Unfortunately part of what I learned (or re-learned, 'cause it seems every "Ask Slashdot" includes people complaining about the topic) is that a lot of people seem to have enough spare time that they can spare some to go into a thread in which they have no interest and complain about the topic.

I don't have time to read each and every last word posted to Slashdot in all the different categories so I generally only read the stuff in which I'm interested and leave the rest for those who care about that. If an "Ask Slashdot" about where to find great rap and hip-hop MP3s showed up in the list I probably wouldn't bother to click on the link, but if someone else gets some benefit out of it then good for them. I certainly wouldn't go into the thread just to post a bitch about the fact of its existence. I don't understand why that's such a difficult concept for others to grasp, and I really don't understand why there are so many people going through their lives desperately worried that someone, somewhere, is thinking about submitting an "Ask Slashdot" to which they might have found the answer elsewhere. Are there other, much more fascinating "Ask Slashdot" submissions going ignored by the editors in favor of the ones which are accepted?

Re:Noise (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7912459)

is that a lot of people seem to have enough spare time that they can spare some to go into a thread in which they have no interest and complain about the topic.

This is not an issue where the topic is simply not of interest to me. It's where answers are unlikely to help other people. A topic of "What would you do to identify unknown cards?" might have produced similar information, but been much more useful.

Now, you can play the "just ignore what you don't want" card, but you're oversimplifying things. Slashdot has editors for a reason. If we could simply ignore what we didn't want with no cost, the story submissions might as well immediately go up on the main page.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

alonsoac (180192) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902994)

The degeneration of Ask Slashdot is wildly frusterating to me

Well, at least the long tradition of bad speling lives on to this day.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

thinkliberty (593776) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910576)

sarcasm0{ How is he suppose to search google for part numbers. He doesn't have any drivers for the network card to connect to the net! }

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

e r i k 0 (593807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7914175)

This guy was on an e-mail list that I was on (one of the ones at lowendmac.com) and he got basically the same answer. I can't believe that he'd actually post it to Slashdot, though.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7901024)

You may joke, but in 10 years time that may very well be where web indicies are. As a programmer myself, I can guess that the biggest problems would be distilling the question to key terms, selecting the right answer from their contexts, then extracting the information to explain it, although I'm sure AI people would have a better handle on the problem than I.

The goal would be that you could ask any question you want - in the spoken language of your choice - and get a reasonable answer.

Things are almost there now. For example, here are some answers to your questions (includes a few mistakes in the conclusions that are obvious to humans):

(1) (unclear) guess 7: "Can't Get You Out Of My Head", Kylie Minogue song lyrics get out head [google.com]
(2) "Wizard Of Oz", "Evil Dead" movie plot axe forest [google.com]
(3) "Iron Dragon" roller coaster ohio dragon mountain [google.com]
(4) "DB Boulevard, Point Of View" music video cardboard point of view [google.com]
(5) "Crazy Taxi" game taxi pad 1 [google.com]
(6) 8 possible - answer 6 is an old rover pic of mars (you were probably alluding to the mars pic released today) red sand rocks (large format) [google.com]
(7) "aliens", "car accessory", "grand theft auto 3" car driving blue lights bottom [google.com]

Forget Skynet, the Google web index is going to be the program that becomes self-aware...

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (4, Informative)

kyz (225372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901258)

  1. Can't Get You Outta My Head
  2. Evil Dead
  3. Iron Dragon
  4. Point of View
  5. Space Taxi
  6. Mars
  7. Under-car neon lights


Next.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

IpalindromeI (515070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7929942)

Next.

Okay, how about this one. When I was in fourth grade or so, I read a book about this guy (a king maybe?) who had a magic sword that attracted strands of magic, that he could then pull on to make stuff happen. That's as much as I remember from the story, except that I have the impression that the guy was rather annoyed at having to drag this magic sword around all the time and the strands would sometimes get in his way. What's the title?

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7902732)

As for that picture of red sand and rock that is _12_ megapixels large, that is Barstow, CA.

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

schon (31600) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903173)

No, even better:

"I saw a picture of this guy [akamai.net] who claims to be preseident of Apple. I'm pretty sure that it's the author Salman Rushdie. Can anyone help me prove it?"

Hmm, it's even on-topic! :o)

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

GuyZero (303599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903446)

"I have this song stuck in my head where the girl sings about things she can't get out of her head. Here's the .wav file of me humming it. What is it?"

Shockingly enough, CBC Radio, on the now defunct show "Basic Black", had an hour long segment, every week, that did exactly that. It was HUGE. People would call in with the more horribly rendered tunes and they'd identify them. People loved it.

The /. editors would never start it becuase they'd be unable to stop.

Though they never did a Kylie song...

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

Emil Brink (69213) | more than 10 years ago | (#7904936)

A local soul/dance radio station (Power Hit Radio, 106.3 MHz FM in Stockholm, Sweden) has a segment in its weekday morning show where one of the hosts "gurgles" a tune. You know, as if he's brushing his teeth and decides to "sing" with his mouth full of foaming toothpaste. It's... not very hilarious. Luckily, my morning routine places me in the bathroom when that happens, so all I get to hear is the callers who try to guess the song, which is far more tolerable. :)

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7903887)

And, when I was 6, I read a book named "Clumsy Clyde", but it's not in print anymore, nor does any used online bookstore have any record of such a book. Does anyone out there have a copy?

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (1)

The Infamous Grimace (525297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7932121)

Actually, I had a similar experience with an album that has been out of print for, oh, about 20 years now. In addition, I live in the States and the artist (Gandalf) is Austrian. So I did a search, found a forum that hadn't been posted to in a long time, asked a question regarding said album (Tales from a Long Forgotten Kingdom), and actually received a reply about 6 months later, long after I had forgotten about posting this message. About 12 months after that I received in the mail 3 cds from a gentleman in Russia, one of which was the album in question , the other two by the same artist. No cost to me at all.

I still communicate with him every so often. I'm still amazed at the experience.

(tig)

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7906426)

Ah, that would be DB Boulevard with the song entitled "Point of view". Singer is Moody which had a small hit called "Dove". I think. ;-)

Re:More future "Ask Slashdot" topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7915509)

I read this post on /. where this guy was bashing another guy by mocking him with obscure questions rather than helping him to find an answer. What kind of moron is that?

FCC ID (5, Informative)

NukeIear (307760) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900773)

Use the FCC ID, on the conveniently not pictured side of the card and look it up on net. The FCC keeps a handy lookup database online, just for you.

And if that doesn't work... (2, Informative)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903161)

Find the MAC number on the card. The first 3 octets are specific to the manufacturer. You can go to the IEEE site and look them up there.

Re:FCC ID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7908973)

Google now supports searching for them directly. Just slam it in there.

It also does UPS searches, Fedex searches, and a whole lot more. When in doubt, slap it into the search field and see what they've added recently.

Is this it? (4, Informative)

Gleng (537516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900882)

I found this on mirror.apple.com. [apple.com]

The readme file for this driver is here [apple.com] .

To quote:

"Apple Ethernet LC driver file version 1.0.1 This driver file contains drivers for all Apple LC PDS ethernet cards and is installed in the extensions folder."

That was, like, two minutes work on Google. What gives?

Re:Is this it? (2, Insightful)

cookd (72933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901250)

See, it is people like you who make "Ask Slashdot" suck. The guy asks a lame question, and (assuming your answer is correct), he immediately gets a great answer. This kind of positive reinforcement is only going to result in even more lame postings.

As long as people can ask lame questions and get decent answers, they're just going to continue asking them.

Re:Is this it? (5, Funny)

Gleng (537516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901366)

See, it is people like you who make "Ask Slashdot" suck. The guy asks a lame question, and (assuming your answer is correct), he immediately gets a great answer. This kind of positive reinforcement is only going to result in even more lame postings.

I whole heartedly apologise for ruining your coffee break, and quite possibly, your entire month.

Re:Is this it? (1)

etn991 (626061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903782)

I whole heartedly apologise for ruining your coffee break...
You're only supposed to read Slashdot on your own time? Uh oh...

Re:Is this it? (1)

cookd (72933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909478)

Insightful? Heck no. This was supposed to come across as sarcasm. (It isn't quite "Funny" either, but that isn't a big deal since I'm not trolling for Mod points). Sheesh, moderators these days!

Re:Is this it? (1)

jmertic (544942) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901697)

Apple's Network Card drivers are designed to work with Apple branded network cards and many other similar cards (many Sonic and Asante cards). I would install these drivers as a starting point, then if they don't work try some investigating ( reading down in the comments, the card in question appears to be a Focus Etherlan II, which look familar to me as one that you can use the Apple drivers on. )

Re:Is this it? (0, Flamebait)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 10 years ago | (#7906350)

Yup, In ye olden days, almost every 3rd party Mac Ethernet card was "register compatible" with the Apple-branded hardware.

That means 99.9% of the time, the driver you need is bundled with MacOS.

Re:Is this it? (1)

neilsly (106751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902262)

yeah.... type in "LC-PDS Apple Driver" and it's the 8th result that appears.

Re:Is this it? (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903386)

Except, we don't know what for OS he wants a driver. Since he's asking, I'd like to assume that he means something not MacOS, as the drivers for this card for classic MacOS are easy to find. But this is an Ask Slashdot, so it's not likely. Since he didn't specify the OS, this Ask Slashdot is even more worthless than the usual one- MacOS, NetBSD, Linux, what?

Looks like a Focus EtherLAN II. (3, Funny)

Myself (57572) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900893)

The SMC91C92 controller chip is fairly common, and googling for it found several references to cards based on it. Does "Focus EtherLAN II" mean anything to you? Take a look at this post from 1996 [netbsd.org] as a starting point.

The datasheet for the SMC91cXXX family is here [mit.edu] in case that helps at all.

P.S. I've never opened up a Mac. :)

P.P.S. Unless gravitationally-induced acceleration counts.

Drivers (0, Flamebait)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#7900903)

I had a Mac LC II not long ago, same card, with drivers on the hard disk. However, I threw that Mac LC II away. As you should also do with yours.

I know, it's fun, but there's also a lot of fun to be had in subjects that may actually be useful in the future. Why waste the time learning the equivalent of making flint arrowheads? When you're looking for a job, do you think anyone will be impressed that you know how to use base-level consumer computing hardware from two decades ago? Maybe five years ago, you might have run into an LC II running somewhere, maybe as an application keyserver. But not anymore.

Re:Drivers (3, Insightful)

unixbob (523657) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901050)

"slashdot - news for nerds, stuff that matters"

On a website for nerds, an article about messing about with a 10 year old computer seems right as place. Perhaps you should try messing about with old kit and old operating systems. It's actually a huge amount of fun.

And in terms of job hunting, you are going to get hired based on commerical experience and qualifications rather that what you tinker with at home.

Re:Drivers (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7906457)

I have got two of my best jobs almost entirely based on what I tinkered with at home, and not my commercial experience.

Hint: "Qualifications" means what you can do, it doesn't matter where you learned it.

Most companies have a mix of old and new hardware. You typically should be familiar with both. And problem solving skills are always applicable to new situations and as such this is a useful exercise. However, using "ask slashdot" was a pretty weak and un-geekly method of finding the answer. A better question would have been, how do you generally find this category of information.

Re:Drivers (1)

unixbob (523657) | more than 10 years ago | (#7908594)

was a bit lazy when a simple bit of googling would have got the answer. Which is most of the fun of messing around with old machines anyway.

Re:Drivers (1)

jea6 (117959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909326)

getting old hardware to work and being made fun of by people in companies with more money is part of my job description.

Next on Slashdot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7900918)

I just got a job where have to create an application to allow users to interact with a database. Can anyone tell me how this is done, preferably with working sample code? The target platform is...

old mac driver (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901068)

The driver of this mac [slashdot.org] is pretty old

how to find info on google (1)

HughsOnFirst (174255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901084)

short answer [macdrivermuseum.com]

longer answer

get the fcc id , it's probably on the other side of the card
enter "fcc" and the id in google.
now you know who made the card, and maybe what it's called.
go back to google and enter the name of the card , and something like "driver"


I'll guess it's a Focus Etherlan II, and that there are drivers for it here [macdrivermuseum.com]

Now I'll go back to solving my own problems

For MacOS or other OS? (2, Insightful)

CliffH (64518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901086)

I think that is an important part of the piece you have left out. I've found a TON of links for BSD and Linux drivers on Mac for the thing but if you want original Mac drivers you are probably better off asking on Usenet, a Mac forum, or IRC and see what you can find out. CliffH

Re:For MacOS or other OS? (1)

CliffH (64518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901132)

Just to add that I have emailed the person with a possible set of drivers. Only time and testing will tell on the person's part. If I'm correct, the answer was here:

http://www.ujmacs.co.jp/support/nic.html

If I'm wrong, it wasn't and I wasn't on the right track. From the 5 minutes of searching I've done I found it is probably an Asante MacCon CS or similar going by the chipset name. If the party wants to run Linux or BSD on it they probably won't have too many problems doing so (as drivers seem to have been available before and after the 2.2 series was released). As for MacOS, that site should hopefully help.

CliffH

Re:For MacOS or other OS? (1)

BRTB (30272) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902819)

Almost sounds like an Asante FriendlyNet PDS card... had several in the LC3's in high school. Never worked very well, but the origin of the cards was somewhat dubious to begin with.

Maybe? (1)

PorkCharSui (583216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901100)

If I can remember correctly if the card is manufactured by Apple you'll only need the Ethernet drivers that come with the MacOS install.

Re:Maybe? (1)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902858)

You mean System ABC install, right? ;-) FYI the LC II shipped with System 7.0 and was followed almost instantly by 7.0.1 which was a show-stopping bug fix (minor little thing like disappearing files!). The LC shipped with varying versions of System 6. The LC III shipped with 7.1. The 7.1 series lasted quite some time with no update. The 601 PPCs made their debute with 6100/60, 7100/66, and 8100/80 (delayed) on March 14, 1994 (a day for all to remember!). Contray to extremely popular belief they didn't run 7.5. They shipped with it starting in June of that year but it wasn't installed. They installation disks were just copied to the HD due to the fact that the systems only shipped with 4 or 8MB of RAM and System 7.5 required 12MB. So what was the OS that first ran on the PPC 601 machines? None other than 7.1.2. I don't know if you wanted to know all that but I needed to stretch my brain a little this morning anyways. :-)

Re:Maybe? (1)

SiMac (409541) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910185)

Yes, they did come with 7.1.2, but that's because they came out before 7.5. 7.5 runs just fine in 8MB, or 4MB of RAM for that matter. In fact, you can run it on a Mac Plus.

Re:Maybe? (1)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910924)

True, as long as you don't plan on following the minimum specified requirements. 8MB yes, 4MB no unless you stripped out all the useless fluff features that few ever used, even us diehards. Our PB520 that shipped with 4 wouldn't boot 7.5 until after a rather costly 12MB upgrade. Actually it was a 16MB upgrade because they didn't make a 12MB upgrade at that time, even though only 12MB could be addressed. Ah the good ole days. :-) PPC 601s made their debute in March and 7.5 in June, unless of course you were an AppleDev. We got it sooner. God I wish I maintained that. Rhapsody was so much fun. *dreamy-eyed*

Dear slashdot... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7901226)

I have this thing on my ass. It's like a scab. It's been growing over the past few days... I took a picture here [pictures-of-my-butt.com] . A friend of mine said it might be cancer, but I'm not sure. Anybody else been in a similar situation? I need to know ASAP!!! KTHXBYE!!!!!!!!!

Hmm... (1)

billyhoward (98385) | more than 10 years ago | (#7901704)

It appears to be an old ethernet card from a Macintosh LC II.

i just mailed someone at SMC (2)

eclipser_of_macfinit (738800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7902923)

hi,

i know one of the german SMC office's CEOs -- i mailed him the pic and asked him to refer to one of his techs if (s)he knows more. if i get an answer -- you will get mine ;)

greetz,

[//eclipser]

Used to have one of those cards... (1)

dstillz (704959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7903073)

I used to have a card that looked exactly like that, in an LC II I got from my high school. I have no idea what brand or model it is.

It worked perfectly with a default System 7.5 install (using the network access disk to boot (Iomega driver bunged in), and then a SCSI Zip drive to install 7.5.3 and the 7.5.5 update), so I assume the drivers are bundled with the System 7.5 software.

Oh, and it's really, really slow.

Hope this helps.

Ask Slashdot Rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7903671)

This stuff is gold, where do I subscribe??? While we are this hardware identification quest, maybe someone can help me with this. I don't know who made my monitor so finding a driver is proving kinda difficult. I can't post a pic for fear of being /.'ed but I can describe it. Kind of an off white colored plasticy frame with a lcd panel in it. About 15" corner to corner. It's got 4 buttons on the front for changing the brightness etc. It says' "Fujitsu Siemens computer" on the front. Not sure what that means, some kind of Japanese. You know the one I mean? you know where I can get a driver for it? And I got this mouse - blue top, silver bottom - 2 buttons and a wheel. You know who makes it? Hope you can help.

Just works (1)

FyreFiend (81607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7904060)

If you're using MacOS the default Ethernet drivers that comes with it will work fine. If you're planning on using another OS, well, I'm pretty sure *BSD will handle that card. Don't know about Linux.

Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7904950)

A RTL813X based chip 10/100 PCI eithernet card will run with ease in a LCII, and the drivers for it are readily available online.

http://www.driverguide.com will have the driver archived for the mac, particulary the OS 7.X version.

I do believe that realtek.com will have the reference drivers for the mac as well..

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

Dahan (130247) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909676)

Eh, a 10/100 card is overkill for an LC II... just get an old ISA NE2000 clone from Goodwill or something. Wedge the card into one of those slots off to the right; it'll work fine [bga.com] . NE2000 drivers are really easy to find too.

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909732)

Shove the card into a PC, and set it's firmware to 10 base simplex mode, as slow as the poor thing can get, then cram it into a LCII.

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910297)

Woah. is everyone on this thread on crack??
The LCII has NO PCI, NO ISA, not even NuBus. Just PDS (processor direct slot).
You CANNOT just cram a PCI or ISA card in it.
KTHX.
~PayPaI

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910539)

OK, easy solution, tie a rope around the LCII and use it as a boat anchor. Then go get a Free BSD system.

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

Dahan (130247) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910772)

Did you even look at the picture I linked to?? It's my Mac LC II. Says so in the upper left corner. It has an ISA Ethernet card in it. RTFC. kthxbye.

Re:Go get a Realtek ethernet card (1)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7912107)

Look at my high UID !
I am far too n00b to read articles, much less linked images !
Can you see that I am serious ??

It's a CS ethernet card! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7906267)

That card is for the "CS" (Communications Slot) on older macs. The LC & Quadra (pizza box) could use em. I have one of those nics now, I have found that all the MacOS System 7.x boot CDs could detect em.

As a side note: You could run NetBSD on those old 68K macs... sweet. I think running MacOS would be slow, and un-rewarding. At least it was on my Quadra.

Enjoy.

It's an LC PDS slot (1)

razor1000 (737154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7906730)

The LC II only has one expansion slot, it's called the LC PDS (processor direct slot). Newertech (RIP) released some tools long ago that I still use occasionally to check out the manufacturer info on cards like these. It's called "Slot Info" and although I couldn't actually find a link that worked, at least here's a page listing it: http://www.tucows.com/mac/diagtoolmac.html If you need more in-depth 68k Mac info I would recommend the mailing-lists on www.lowendmac.com. There are several people on those lists that know more about old macs than is healthy. Ignore the complainers.

Re:It's an LC PDS slot (1)

razor1000 (737154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7906862)

Also, for everyone else:

The Mac II series contains exactly 5 different types of expansion slots:

Nubus, '030 PDS, LC PDS, LCIII PDS, CommSlot.

None of them are compatible; there is no easy way to denote manufacturer/model unless it is written on the card; and NO, Apple drivers only work with Apple-branded cards.

So there.

Re:It's an LC PDS slot (1)

razor1000 (737154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7907185)

Here's a link to slot info that actually works:
http://deru.mac.tucows.com/preview/207027. html

send viruses!!! (-1)

p-unit*or*die (729031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909039)

rschrein@krhs.net send viruses!

It either works or it's broken. (2, Informative)

dave1212 (652688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909056)

Wanted to moderate, had to participate.

Any EPROM card will work without special drivers, as long as you have an appropriate system installed. 6.0.8 and up, I believe.

Your LC II can only run from System 7.0.1 to 7.5.5, and those have been made available for free download on Apple's site, at their Older Software Downloads page. [apple.com] Heh, there's even Windows software there! Most EPROM-labeled stuff carries somewhat of a rule of thumb with it.. either it works with the default OS install or it's dead. They were all built to Apple's specs.

..and although I too don't see this as much of a /. question, it does show just how far the good Dot has come. The shift in attitude may only be as a result of OS X, but that's alright. However, rbanffy, you should really post this on something like the XLR8YourMac.com forums or such.. you'll get the same answer, faster.

Would I Need a License? (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910213)

Seeking Drivers for Unknown Apple Ethernet Card

I've sent a similar request to various automotive forums. Has anyone ever driven a Ford Lately?

68k Mac Liberation army (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7910721)

Do a google search, they know it all!

Re:68k Mac Liberation army (1)

dave1212 (652688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7922768)

it's my domain, 68kmla.ca

But it's running some crap MS board.. it dies if there's more than like 70 people on it.. please don't visit haha ;)

Driver (1)

Durin_Deathless (668544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7912085)

That looks like a third-party clone of the Asante PDS slot ethernet card. I think there were Apple drivers for it. We had a card that looked just like that, and it worked great once the drivers were installed.

Oh, and about the FCC ID: I have _never_ found any information about a piece of hardware using the FCC ID. Honest.
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