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Memo Confirms IBM Move To Linux Desktop?

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the penguin-infiltration-101 dept.

IBM 881

m5shiv writes "The Inquirer is reporting on an allegedly leaked internal memo from IBM CIO Bob Greenberg discussing IBM's move to a Linux desktop: 'Our chairman has challenged the IT organization, and indeed all of IBM, to move to a Linux based desktop before the end of 2005. This means replacing productivity, web access and viewing tools with open standards based equivalents.' The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

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The crab people will soon take over! (-1, Offtopic)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909198)

Re:The crab people will soon take over! (-1, Offtopic)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909225)

The Wil Wheaton jab is just distasteful.

Re:The crab people will soon take over! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909255)

admint it. you're wil wheaton.

fag

What do you think wil is? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909439)

Some sort of clever comedian or something?!@?!?!

ITYM (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909204)

The enemy of my enemy is .. useful.

winder if a new DE will come out of this (5, Interesting)

handmedowns (628517) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909206)

you'd think with all those developers using KDE or GNOME or whatever.. there'll be someone who re-invents the wheel again =P

Zero chance of this (1)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909320)

I have not seen an official pronouncement but I believe IBM is in the GNOME camp.

Rumor and Hearsay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909207)

Slashdot confirms that it is a disgrace to journalism

But? (5, Funny)

JoeShmoe950 (605274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909211)

Does it run linu.... oh

Re:But? (4, Funny)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909226)

Does it run linu.... oh

i think you meant to say "does it run os/2?"

Access (5, Insightful)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909212)

Its nice to see that the chairman has made a stand but has also made sure that they will remain compatible to the rest of the business world. As much as we might all like Linux to survive in the business world we need to be able to speak what everyone else speaks. It might be good to have the moral high ground but its no good if you can't read your suppliers documents Rus

Re:Access (2, Insightful)

airtim10 (713956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909236)

I agree with this as much as we like to think that Linux will replace that other major operating system completely that probably won't happen anytime soon so we need to be able to do both becasue we may understand the great values of Linux but there are plenty of people out there who also understand the ease of learning and using that other operating system

Re:Access (4, Insightful)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909314)

I don't know about that. Not too many people will tell IBM to 'go take a hike' when IBM wants something in another format (that happens to be openly documented).

Documents that IBM exports are one thing, but for documents sent to IBM and internal stuff, what IBM says goes.

Re:Access (5, Insightful)

Phillup (317168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909394)

What is so hard about "Save As RTF"?

Even someone running Word can figure out how to open it...

Hmm ... (5, Interesting)

tcgwebs (737923) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909213)

Interesting, but I wonder who it was that leaked the info? I'd sure hate to be that person :) Anyway, I'm glad that Linux is actually being recognized by large companies such as IBM as an option for this.

Re:Hmm ... (4, Interesting)

KrispyKringle (672903) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909344)

Considering that IBM is one of the strongest supporters of enterprise Linux (offering it on many servers and mainframes), it's not surprising that they've recognized Linux as an option. And unlike, say, Sun, IBM doesn't have any real desktop offerings of their own with which Linux on the desktop would be competing (I strongly doubt they were considering using OS/2 :P), so it makes sense that they would have gone this direction.

Probably the big reason they wouldn't be interesting in flaunting it so much is that their workstation offerings are far more limited than Sun's, who has made a big effort to show that they are ``with it'' when it comes to Linux on the desktop (even if they continue to adamantly support Solaris as a server OS).

But I don't know. Just seems to be like that.

Re:Hmm ... (5, Informative)

GAVollink (720403) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909388)

I worked at a phone company called US-West about 5 years ago, and they had over 1600 desktops running Linux as primary ... way back then. They used Citrix servers to get to that "compatible stuff"... well, MS Office. It certainly wasn't all desktops but it was certainly a nice chunk. IBM isn't the first to take Linux seriously as a cost effective option for productivity.

Re:Hmm ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909397)

Why are you glad? Did you help write Linux? Is it your code they will be using? If so, then great. If not, you are not different than the rednecks cheering on Ford in the tractor pull contest tonight. Their identity is no more than an extension of a product.

Dear Slashdot editor.. (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909217)

Good quote!

WHAT TO EAT TONIGHT??? (0)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909223)

PORK AND NEW MEXICAN CHILE SAUCE

Active time: 20 min Start to finish: 1 1/4 hr

2 lb boneless pork shoulder, cut into 1-inch cubes
3 oz dried mild red New Mexican chile pods (10 to 12)
4 garlic cloves
1 tablespoon garlic powder
3 cups water
1 1/2 teaspoons salt

Accompaniments: refried beans and cooked white rice

Preheat oven to 375F.

Roast pork in a 2 1/2- to 3-quart shallow baking dish, uncovered, in middle of oven, stirring occasionally, 30 minutes.

While pork is roasting, soak chiles in a bowl in just enough boiling-hot water to cover until softened, about 20 minutes. Drain chiles, discarding soaking water and stems.

Puree chiles, garlic cloves, garlic powder, 3 cups water, and salt in a blender until smooth. Stir sauce into pork and bake, uncovered, stirring occasionally, until pork is tender, about 45 minutes.

Cooks' note:
Carne adovada can be made 2 days ahead and cooled, uncovered, then chilled, covered.

Makes 6 main-course servings.

Re:WHAT TO EAT TONIGHT??? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909254)

4 garlic cloves
1 tablespoon garlic powder


This is disgusting.

Hey SCO! (1, Funny)

cartzworth (709639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909227)

*danza slap*

Only makes sense (5, Insightful)

kjd (41294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909234)

IBM's a large, large company with abundant resources in the area of software design. They've got the ability to tailor-design an OS to the needs of their company and deploy it enterprise-wide, and with Linux and friends, do it without losing much cross-platform compatibility.

A similar switch might be tougher for other large organizations with widescale Windows deployments, where a few lightly-customized Win2k images might be the most they can currently support.

They'll come around eventually...

Re:Only makes sense (5, Interesting)

memmel2 (660484) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909274)

At a business level IBM is like a lot of other companies. So once they do it for themselves they will be in a prime position to resale the experience to there own customers. Not only do they get Linux for free but they stand to make a lot of money off this.

Not always a good thing (5, Funny)

kjd (41294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909295)

Take WebSphere...

...please!

This is about dog food (5, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909302)

IBM's a large, large company with abundant resources in the area of software design. They've got the ability to tailor-design an OS to the needs of their company and deploy it enterprise-wide, and with Linux and friends, do it without losing much cross-platform compatibility.

I don't think this makes sense from a productivity standpoint. Most of us probably believe that linux wins a TCO fight with Windows, but that would not be the case if you had to develop all your basic tools from scratch, even for IBM.

No, this is about eating their own dog food. It's not a good message when you're pushing your product but you use other products. If IBM is to convince buyers to use Linux for typical desktop productivity work, they better use it themselves.

Re:This is about dog food (1)

kjd (41294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909328)

I don't think this makes sense from a productivity standpoint. Most of us probably believe that linux wins a TCO fight with Windows, but that would not be the case if you had to develop all your basic tools from scratch, even for IBM.

Oh, I don't mean to speculate that they'll do it from scratch. They'll probably build on top of Redhat or SUSE.

The dog food-eating will certainly make them look good too.

Re:This is about dog food (1)

KrispyKringle (672903) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909372)

Does IBM offer a Linux desktop? I can't recall any offhand. And they probably do use Linux on their servers (or at least some of them), so in that sense, they do ``eat their own dog food'' (isn't that what MS decided Hotmail had to do with respect to Solaris/BSD versus Windows?).

Kind of like Sun and Staroffice (0)

Xconnect (577318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909382)

It'd be interesting to find out how that turned out. It would give IBM a good indicator of the kind of resistance that their employees would put up.

Quote of the year (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909237)

'This means replacing productivity... with open standards based equivalents.'

Couldn't say it better myself. ;)

IBM (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909240)

hopefully they will never turn evil again. the future is collaberation, maybe they realize that. why pass up tonnes of free leighbour?

just think in 10 years windows might be the os/2 of today

Re:IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909330)

In 10 years, IBM might be the Microsoft of today. Just like Microsoft is the IBM of a while ago.

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Re:IBM (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909355)

Comic book guy says:

Funniest.. misspelling... ever!

Turn around. (5, Interesting)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909243)

Yes, in about 20 years big blue has changed from the evil empire (with some saying it was beeing challenged by upstart Microsoft-although I never would have thought) to a worthy comrade in open-source armor. Way to go, IBM, for taking the final plunge.

Yeah.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909291)

because we all know that IBM is just going to give their desktop away, just like Sun.

Hey, when you buy a pc, your direct cost on Windows XP Home might be as little as $15 bucks.

Re:Yeah.... (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909337)

15$ what planet are you from? even if that were the case it's still $15 vs $0 if a supplier preloaded linux. thats in cost to the supplier for the software that doesn't need to be passed on to the consumer.

Re:Yeah.... (0)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909414)

XP Home? For one thing, I doubt the cost is only $15. Secondly, I would refuse to buy XP Home-strictly Win2k or XP Pro. Thirdly, I don't buy anything that someone else put together - I build my own systems. Finally, Linux is free as in beer. It doesn't get better than that.

Re:Turn around. (4, Interesting)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909347)

Yes, in about 20 years big blue has changed from the evil empire (with some saying it was beeing challenged by upstart Microsoft-although I never would have thought) to a worthy comrade in open-source armor. Way to go, IBM, for taking the final plunge.

Yes, but realize that IBM has been around since about 1914, that they have been the "bad guy" before, and just because they are supporting open source now doesn't mean that they couldn't find a way to exploit it for their own selfish good later.

Again, glad they're supporting open-source software, but I wonder how much of their support is in recognition of the value of open-source, and how much is just to spite Microsoft?

Re:Turn around. (3, Insightful)

jnana (519059) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909410)

I'm sure they, like every other (for-profit) corporation out there are not doing it out of altruism, but that they are doing it is the important thing. They are probably doing it mostly because it makes sense to them business-wise -- both because of cost savings and because of the example it sets for other companies to follow (in which case the IBM consultants will be sitting there waiting to sell them services and extras) -- and perhaps to spite microsoft too, but that again is in their business interest.

Re:Turn around. (5, Insightful)

dedazo (737510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909440)

It's so funny how everyone here cheers IBM like this because they're "sticking it to teh M$". Have you seen the source code to DB2 or Notes lately?

IBM is a corporation whose main reason for existence is to make money and maximize shareholder value. Things like these have absolutely nothing to do with their "support" of free software.

A step in the right direction (4, Interesting)

siege04 (547166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909247)

A big company such as IBM switching to Linux is sure to bring good things to the community. Perhaps this is the first major step in bringing Linux to the desktop market.

Re:A step in the right direction (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909297)

would you please explain your reasons for linux distribution being a GOOD thing?

this is horrible if you ask me

Re:A step in the right direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909437)

i was sorta hoping GNU/linux would have conquered the world by 2005 : /

when i read "IBM Moves To Linux Desktop", i thought they were talking about the PCs they sell. For a second, i thought we were seeing the beginning of the end of the OS wars.

Lets hurry up people! We need to conquer the world before secure computing destroys it!

Re:A step in the right direction (1)

siege04 (547166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909461)

Who knows, if they manage to come up with something unified and useful for their employees, they might try making it (or some form of it) available as an option on the computers they sell.

We can hope anyway.

Goodbye Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909248)

It was... ahh... "fun" while it lasted!

IBM leak (3, Funny)

weeboo0104 (644849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909252)

Geez, first the ISS and now IBM? What gives?

Too bad they didn't do that with OS/2... (4, Interesting)

benzapp (464105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909264)

Just think of how much better the 1990's could have been if the entire IBM organization pre-empted Windows 95 by 3.5 solid years.

Re:Too bad they didn't do that with OS/2... (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909336)

Damn you, beating me to the punch.

On the same veign, Motorola doesn't use Macs, they generally use PCs even though they have made the Mac processor for ages.

Hmmm, an opening? ;) (4, Funny)

AlphaSector (676934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909269)

Another internal memo leaked from SCO to all employees: "First one to find a way to sue IBM for this is employee for the month"

Re:Hmmm, an opening? ;) (5, Funny)

eLoco (459203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909404)

Those 5 employees are too busy licking envelopes with threatening letters, selling their stock, surfing monster.com when Darl's not looking. No time for this.

Linux as a desktop? (5, Interesting)

R33MSpec (631206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909271)

As i see it this can only serve to help encroach Linux on the user desktop OS market dominated by M$.

Think of it - if the whole of IBM starts using a well designed desktop system, i'm sure a lot of other companies will follow suit.

This really is what Linux needs - a HUGE and well known company using not only a Linux user dekstop system but also assocaited open source applications to get things done in everyday business, while managing NOT to use any M$ products whatsoever.

And if successful and I never thought I'd be saying this but it could be the beginning of the end of Microsoft's total dominance in the desktop OS market.

Re:Linux as a desktop? (1)

siege04 (547166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909365)

If they make a unified desktop distribution it could definitely help Linux get a foot in the door of the desktop market.

Re:Linux as a desktop? (2, Interesting)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909435)

How good, or bad, is this for Apple?

Wouldn't they rather be picking up all the disenfranchised Windows users?

Needless to say replacing all those PC's for Apple G4's and 5's is a massive roadblock for such a switch, but at least people get a taste for something other than Windows, which can't be a bad thing on any level.

Re:Linux as a desktop? (1)

coldnight (12780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909453)

More importanly then IBM would be a non-technology company doing the same thing. If IBM can do it and they are the only ones, then the movement has fallen short...

I hope we see a couple of non-tech companies doing the same, then the people for whom tech is not a passion, but a line-item on a budget may notice. Unfortunately, THEY will have alot of influence on when there is a mass movement away from giving money to people for buggy software.

I don't think we should be less evangelical, but trying to put a bussiness perspective on it.

-cn

writings on the wall (1)

kenny blakenship (738677) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909272)

for SCO - big blue's lawyers are digging through your garbage for a reason.

for M$ - you can't compete with free as in beer.

Think IBM will be paying... (3, Funny)

cartzworth (709639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909276)

...the Linux licensing fee to SCO? hahahaha

Re:Think IBM will be paying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909363)

no. why would anyone think that.

here's hoping (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909277)

That they use this oportunity to learn from any issues, take data from the user base, and add to Linux.
With any large deploy of a new system, there will be issues, and if they can correct those and/or customize it for there need in house they will make a great selling point for other corporations.

Why not (5, Insightful)

Christoff84 (707146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909282)

Why shouldn't IBM move to linux? They are basically fighting for linux against SCO (yes I know, it's about AIX, but linux is there too), if they are dumping so much money into killing/beating SCO, why not use the software they are fighting for themselves. They have the resources to develop and support it themselves.

There is a business reason for this... (5, Insightful)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909286)

(I guess that rates a big DUH!)

But the business reason probably has something to do with Longhorn shipping 2006ish, and avoiding paying an upgrade fee to MS for desktops for over 300,000 employees worldwide. Even if the upgrade costs them just $79 and they only have to upgrade 100,000 computers, they could still save a cool $7.9 million by switching to a Linux desktop.

You talk about an MS tax, an additional $7.9 million looks good on anyone's bottom line. I wish IBM good luck with this one!

Of course, if they got rid of PC's altogether and replaced them with 3270 terminals and daisy wheel printers, they would be able to save $$$ on desktop management costs. ;-)

Re:There is a business reason for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909346)

I think you are off base here... 7.9 million is snot to a company like IBM and they will likely spend much more than that converting everything over. I think they really believe in Linux and want to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

Re:There is a business reason for this... (4, Insightful)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909380)

But it's not just $7.9 million once, it's a recurring expense every two to three years. Getting off the upgrade Merry-Go-Round pays dividends immediately AND going forward. Once they've endured the pain of the switchover, it will be easier the next time they want to roll out a new distro, upgrade X, whatever. In fact, this could lead to some cool tools like ZENworks, but for the Linux desktop. In fact, IBM *did* just invest $50 million in Novell! Wonder what those guys in Utah are up to, anyway?

You're off by a factor of about a gazillion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909418)


But the business reason probably has something to do with Longhorn shipping 2006ish, and avoiding paying an upgrade fee to MS for desktops for over 300,000 employees worldwide. Even if the upgrade costs them just $79 and they only have to upgrade 100,000 computers, they could still save a cool $7.9 million by switching to a Linux desktop.

Add in the cost of training 300,000 morons to use a new operating system, the cost of Network Administrators performing those 300,000 horizontal "upgrades" from Windows to Linux, and the resulting loss in employee productivity after 300,000 users have been saddled with an inferior desktop, and the savings start to look more like Negative $7.9 Billion.

I'd write it up American Express "Priceless" style, but I've got other things to do.

PS: And please don't give me that crap about how Linux is ready for the desktop. It's not.

Re:There is a business reason for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909454)

The other problem is that Longhorn doesn't have Ogg support. People talk about an MS tax, but there's also the Fraunhofer tax. Nobody wants to pay that, and eliminating it is good for just about anyone's bottom line. If you're trying to run a profit-making company, one of the obvious things you should try to avoid, are patent licensing fees.

Can you imagine the patent licensing fees for 100,000 computers? It would be horrendous. It is no surprise that IBM has learned to ask for Ogg support.

Re:There is a business reason for this... (2, Insightful)

Laser Lou (230648) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909462)

You talk about an MS tax, an additional $7.9 million looks good on anyone's bottom line. I wish IBM good luck with this one!

Hmmm. It can't be the license fees. $7.9 million is peanuts for any business the size of IBM.

They must be doing this to increase Linux' credibility, show SCO the finger, gain control over the core desktop, and encourage customers to buy their Linux software, all at the same time.

All we need now is ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909287)

Cygdos !!! A dos shell for Linux !!!
With all the DOS utilities, like DIR and
TIME and DATE and DEL.

Now is the time (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909293)

People keep saying "next year"...but I think you need a larger target audience to get the impetus for change. Its great to see IBM eat their own dogfood, and of course there are no worries - GNOME or KDE, OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc are all well suited to provde the tasks the employees will actually need.

Of course IBM could also see a huge cost savings over time as well, and provide a true real-world case for negating the ridiculous "TCO" whipping horse MS continues to fabricate results against.

Re:Now is the time (2, Informative)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909449)

What happens when the 800 lb gorilla decides that it wants to use a particular configuration? Sure, people can still use other desktops, browsers, office software, etc. People had choices before Microsft ate the market.

The pull of developing and using a standard configuration can be huge.

Now .. the question is .. is this a bad thing?

Lotus Notes already runs on Linux (4, Informative)

pointym5 (128908) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909294)

IBM's internal email, expense reporting, project planning, etc. is already (supposed to be) Notes-based.

Re:Lotus Notes already runs on Linux (0, Redundant)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909366)

Apparently Notes inside IBM is going going gone

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12197

Re:Lotus Notes already runs on Linux (1)

bailout911 (143530) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909385)

Uh apparently, you missed this which says IBM has already dumped notes because it sucks:

No more notes [theinquirer.net]

I'll take his challange! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909299)

This is good motivation to move our office to linux. This is actually pretty exciting. Man, I really like IBM these days!

GO IBM!

Gartner will say... (4, Funny)

msevior (145103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909307)

This is just a ploy to extract a more favourable deal from MicroSoft...

I would move 100% to linux if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909313)

I could play retail video games with no hassel

Still needs more 3rd party support (4, Insightful)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909317)

In my wife's small business [sammcgees.com] the only obstacle to going to a linux desktop is vender tools such as UPS worldship and Stamps.com, etc.

Re:Still needs more 3rd party support (2, Informative)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909399)

Well, Dosent Stamps, and UPS BOTH offer Web-Based versions ? Beyond that what about WINE ? I had a fair bit of problems migrating various people (for some it is simply NOT an option) But many of the others were resolved by the use of WINE and running Win32 apps under it ( some actually seemed to run faster :)

Re:Still needs more 3rd party support (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909408)

...As well as support for SCSI-driven jalapeno holders?

(-1, Uninformative, shameless plug) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909451)

Potential tradeoff? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909318)

Maybe with the money they'll save, IBM will be able to keep a few more jobs at home, instead of shipping them to Bangalore.

OK, you can stop laughing now.

Surprise? (1)

x3ro (628101) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909319)

Although this is good news, it's not really much of a surprise. IBM have been making noises in this direction for some time now ...

What would be a turn-up for the books is if Sun started pushing a Linux desktop --- oh wait, they already did :)

Lotus Notes Client? (5, Interesting)

Joseph Lam (61951) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909325)

Does that mean there will be Linux version of the Notes client? IBM's whole internal communication and intranet applications depends heavily on Notes/Domino.

Re:Lotus Notes Client? (1)

avrao (736771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909381)

Already there

Re:Lotus Notes Client? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909425)

They are currently working on a Java client (based on the Eclipse framework) for their new Lotus Workplace products. This client will have the ability to interact with Notes/Domino.

I haven't heard if it will have full client functionality or just a subset (might be just mail). They are going to have a basic version for release mid-year and then release a full version with offline capability by early next year.

OS/2 developers? (2, Insightful)

eLoco (459203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909327)

Anyone else wonder what happened to their OS/2 development team? Maybe they're long-since disbanded, but it seems a team like this could make a decent contribution to a Linux desktop system, at least from a usability perspective.

The *Real* Reason (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909331)

... for switching is, after many years, the employees are finally going insane from using Lotus Notes. They would probably retrograde to OS/2 running IBM Works if it meant no more Notes.

Attention: EU Space Scientists (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909332)

I missed the posting frenzy of the Beagle story, so I'll post my comment here and risk a possible off-topic moderation. My dear Europeans, your Beagle is gone. The Spirit has landed, nobody gives a fiddler's fuck about your piece of shit molten bits of metal scattered over a 30 km swath of Martian landscape, okay? If you want to keep listening for it, fine, do so, but stop making press releases about it, okay? Waste YOUR time, and not mine. Like I said, your piece of shit Beagle has been rendered obsolete by Spirit, whether it is a million molten metal fragments or is actually ever found in one piece.

Hey, I hate AmeriKKKans as much as the next non-American, but I have to give them props for Spirit. (Plus, quite frankly, I hate Eurotrash just about as much as AmeriKKKans. Well, mostly the French.)

An IBMer's perspective (5, Informative)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909343)

A couple facts from inside IBM. We've had a workstation build for Linux for quite some time, encompassing all basic business needs in IBM (Notes, corporate instant messaging, etc). Also, all of our HR and other internal applications are pretty much web and Java based, with a quiet directive that Mozilla will be our standard browser platform by 2005.

However, many groups use applications that cannot be replaced on Linux. My group, for instance, does nearly all of our work in Visio. I've looked at Kivio and others, and I can't begin to tell you how primitive they are. Also, at least my group does a lot of active development in Visual Basic to automate Visio and other programs.

Essentially what I'm saying is many basic users here may be able to move to Linux, but Windows will remain the primary client for the forseeable future, simply for the applications, integration, and relative ease of working with partners who use Windows.

Re:An IBMer's perspective (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909364)

Shut the fuck up and concentrate on putting SCO out of business, okay fuckstick?

Re:An IBMer's perspective (5, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909455)

No, you need to run Wine! If Wine doesn't run the program adequately, then either the program needs to be ported to Linux, or Wine needs to be improved.

Wine can be like the "Classic" compatibility environment for running MacOS 9 apps in MacOS X. You use it when you have to until the native app gets ported and and gets good enough.

As a former IBMer myself, I encourage you to try to migrate to Linux on some of your boxes. When you run into problems - report them and try to chase them down and get them solved!

IBM's move to Linux on the desktop could be the catalyzing event that kills Windows forever. Go for it!

Loss (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909357)

This means replacing productivity, web access and viewing tools...

Now hold on there! I'm pretty sure Linux has web access. ;-P

hmm... why not use their own hardware.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909360)

namely apple G5s...?

Enemies ... ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909362)

What's with m5shiv casting this as "the enemy of my enemy"? Is is so unreasonable to think IBM would move to a Linux desktop purely on its practical or philisophical merits rather than the notion of the secondary effects of market share? ... gotta chill on this whole "battle to the death" theme, we're bigger and better than that.

IBM Profiting from free labor (0, Troll)

aml666 (708712) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909371)

Does anyone else think it's a bit "wrong" for IBM to be profiting from the work of well meaning volunteers?

Re:IBM Profiting from free labor (1)

kjd (41294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909412)

No.

Re:IBM Profiting from free labor (3, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909432)

What are you talking about? It's a two way street: IBM has also contributed a lot to he open source world.

If those well meaning volunteers had not wanted others to use and perhaps even profit from their work, they wouldn't have released it under the GPL, would they?

Re:IBM Profiting from free labor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909442)

No. Besides, it benefits linux.

My cold dead hands! (-1, Troll)

SirDrinksAlot (226001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909379)

You will have to tear my Windows 2000 workstation out of my cold DEAD hands before I let you put linux on it. My tools suck as it is, I dont need them replacing them new NEW even buggier tools.

- A possibly future disgruntled IBM employee

IBM : Past, Present, Future? (4, Interesting)

EngMedic (604629) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909421)

I remember a time when IBM was regarded with as much animosity as Microsoft is now -- perhaps even more so, but for different reasons. More recently, the geek-public opinion of IBM has begun to shift towards neutrality and an uneasy understanding -- where do we see IBM's role and public opinion going in the future, especially with their (seemingly) wholehearted adoption of open-source technologies?

how strange would it be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7909438)

to see an OSX-like unixized OS/3 Warp ... if only they'd done OS/2 Warp as a linux-based product back then.

Current CEO is the Linux geek... (4, Interesting)

curious.corn (167387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7909457)

He shure looks like one! [ibm.com]
Jokes apart, Gerstner [ibm.com] put this guy on top and it's the one that managed the first sniffing ceremonies towards Linux. Do I see a pattern? Companies on the point of extinction like Apple and IBM (big companies... as far as mindshare and cultural relevance) literally resurrected the moment they embraced OSS and played by it's rules. Other companies like sun [sun.com] are fading away and nasty M$ (Yah, troll me... I'm spelling is M$... yes, I'm biased) is yapping in fear [microsoft.com] . Folks, it's our time. Old PHBs are retiring to Florida's golf resorts, the evangelized decision makers are making space for the new illuminati... I hate to say it, actually I'm not pleased by the "feast or fast" attitude of this industry, but the cosmological pendulum is swinging our way (I just hope I won't be put aside as these fools are today).
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