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You'd think 3 years of development... (3, Insightful)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927081)

..would mean 3 years of testing, beta or otherwise. It is after all an open source project...

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (1)

A1an Cox (739465) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927116)

Which is why they said "Beta testing" not "Alpha testing" or something else. Sheesh.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1, Redundant)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927126)

Which is why they said "Beta testing" not "Alpha testing" or something else. Sheesh.

As far as open source is concerned, I dunno how far those terms apply. AFAIK, that's just marketing-speak.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (2, Interesting)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927163)

Nah, Alphas are typically expected to be buggy... they might work, but haven't been hardened against hacks, network glitches, stupid users...

Betas are supposed to be functional, 'lets find the last few problems' kinda releases. Release candidates are high quality beta relases, usually.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927355)

So, when does Windows get to beta stage? According to your definition, they are still at alpha.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (1)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928372)

Oh shush. the horse is dead. Beating it is not gonna accomplish anything.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927215)

As far as open source is concerned, I dunno how far those terms apply. AFAIK, that's just marketing-speak.

You're an idiot.

Next.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927137)

I'm a Muslim living in the UK! I hate Americans you are all the fat and stupid! You have no culture and your terrible spellers.

Let me guess, your an American, right?

In Europe Islam is feared and respected, someday the crescent moon and star will fly over your own White House!

All non-Americans post here to show your support for telling all Americans to fuck suck it.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927182)

Islam is lame.

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927968)

You have no culture and your terrible spellers.

Uh huh. Their terrible spellers what?

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927165)

Icecast. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:You'd think 3 years of development... (2, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927169)

From their site:
After years in development and years in alpha testing, The icecast development team has released version 2.0.0 of its streaming media server. Icecast2 supports Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming and has many features and functions you would expect from a world class streaming media server.

lol, thought it said "Incest 2.0 released" (-1, Offtopic)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927083)



Mickey J would be getting his diamond encrusted credit card out

Re:lol, thought it said "Incest 2.0 released" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927092)

Mickey J would be getting his diamond encrusted credit card out

As long as that's ALL it was "encrusted" with.

Re:lol, thought it said "Incest 2.0 released" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927122)

I think it's more disturbing that you instinctively saw "Icecast" as "Incest". I don't know what your standard reading material is but maybe M.J. isn't the only one who needs treatment...

Re:lol, thought it said "Incest 2.0 released" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927179)

racist prick

Icecast is great.. (4, Interesting)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927091)

Icecast is a great piece of software.. I use it to stream music to myself when I am away from my PC.

Any idea if there is a better interface for controlling which songs play, yet?

Before, IIRC it could only shuffle through a bunch of files in a directory.

Re:Icecast is great.. (5, Informative)

nempo (325296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927106)

gnump3d -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/

Enough to be negative, not enought to be positive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927440)

nempo, I notice you know enough English to make unpleasant statements.

Re:Enough to be negative, not enought to be positi (1)

nempo (325296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927517)

mhm, well, a year or so ago I became really annoyed at people constantly picking on my spelling, I added that sig and people stopped. Since then, I havn't really bothered changing my sig, maybe it's time ?

Re:Enough to be negative, not enought to be positi (0)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928007)

yea it should read: "English isn't my first language, and I hate spellcheck" just kidding. I didn't think it sounded rude. I actually like to know when someone isn't a english speaking native. Makes it easier sometimes to understand what they are trying to say. Now my excuse...I had the part of my brain removed the controls spelling and grammer.

Re:Icecast is great.. (2, Informative)

stevey (64018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927901)

(I'm the author of GNUMP3d)

Due to the Savanna compromise the downloads aren't available from gnu.org.

You may either use CVS to checkout the code - or download from a temporary archive I've setup [steve.org.uk] .

Thanks for the plug ;)

Re:Icecast is great.. (1)

iwasinnamuknow (702730) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927213)

i have just started using tunez (http://tunez.sourceforge.net) which is a php FE to icecast and ices. i just got it set up with the latest icescast2beta so i am kinda sore at this news.

if you have trouble getting tunez to talk to ices and icecast with the perl module then i've got a patch for it.

Re:Icecast is great.. (2, Funny)

Bazzargh (39195) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927683)

Icecast is a great piece of software.. I use it to stream music to myself when I am away from my PC.

I prefer micecast [licensingbydesign.co.uk] myself.

Yawwwwwwwwn!!!

Re:Icecast is great.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927951)

Yawwwwwwwwn!!!
And when Bazzargh goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep.

Re:Icecast is great.. (1)

turnstyle (588788) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927848)

"Any idea if there is a better interface for controlling which songs play, yet?"

You might like my software, Andromeda. It comes in PHP and ASP versions. It's not free (I did try that, but it didn't work). If interested, come take a look [turnstyle.com] .

Zina is not Andromeda (1)

aoj (534783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928938)

I started out using Andromeda and switched to Zina.

Zina is a graphical interface to your MP3 collection, a personal jukebox, an MP3 streamer. It can run on its own, embeded into an existing website, or as a Postnuke/PHPNuke module. It is similar to Andromeda, but released under the GNU General Public License.

Zina Website [pancake.org]

Re:Icecast is great.. (1)

don_carnage (145494) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927887)

This is a blatant plug, but I'm working on a MP3 Server based on Lincoln Stein's Apache::MP3, HTML::Mason, and MySQL:

TVDinner [dnsalias.com]

Icecast is great (2, Informative)

Eric S Rayrnond (739458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927101)

In case, you don't know, Icecast is an audio broadcasting system that streams music in both MP3 and Ogg Vorbis format. It is available under the terms of the GNU GPL. The main home page for the Icecast Project is located here [icecast.org] .

Icecast is used mainly for a couple different reasons. If you are like me and work at a radio station, you may want to stream your live audio feed over the Internet. This provides access to listeners who would normally fall outside your nominal broadcasting radius. Or, if you wish to play Internet disc jockey, you can create your own playlist, insert sound bytes and broadcast to the world. This is useful for smaller stations who have limited wattage and who wish to play alternative music or talk radio. Because icecast does not broadcast over radio waves or use limited frequencies, it does not fall under FCC rulings. Anyone can set up an icecast server and begin streaming songs or audio files. This ranges from home use through networked machines or for use in a business environment. There are many stations currently using icecast.

Re:Icecast is great (-1, Redundant)

fldvm (466714) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927202)

Icecast FAQ

What is Icecast?

Icecast, the project, is a collection of programs and libraries for streaming audio over the Internet. This includes:

icecast, a program that streams audio data to listeners

libshout, a library for communicating with Icecast servers

IceS, a program that sends audio data to Icecast servers

What is icecast, the program?

icecast streams audio to listeners, and is compatible with Nullsoft's Shoutcast.

What is libshout?

From the README:

libshout is a library for communicating with and sending data to an icecast server. It handles the socket connection, the timing of the data, and prevents bad data from getting to the icecast server.

What is IceS?

IceS is a program that sends audio data to an icecast server to broadcast to clients. IceS can either read audio data from disk, such as from Ogg Vorbis files, or sample live audio from a sound card and encode it on the fly.

Eric S Rayrnond (739458) != ESR (3702) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927284)

Why are you trying to impersonate Eric S. Raymond? Your account seems to be new (only two comments posted so far) and you are trying to fool people by having a name spelled Rayrnond instead of Raymond.

Most Slashdot users know that the real Eric S. Raymond uses the account name ESR [slashdot.org] .

Re:Eric S Rayrnond (739458) != ESR (3702) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927363)

News Flash: No one cares.

Re:Icecast is great (1, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927297)

Is the only recorded instance where the slashdot troll Eric S RayRNond is more articulate, informative (and sane) than the person he's pretending to be?

Where were the fraudelent claims of importance? Where was the gloating about wealth? Where was the entirely-out-of-context firearm advocacy? Its a very poor ESR impersonation, if it lacks those things.

On a lighter note, the real Eric Raymond is a tit man. [asstr.org]

Broadcasting? Umm... (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927361)

Since when did sending data via a 1 -> 1 TCP connection become "broadcasting"?

Re:Icecast is great (1)

vvdb (739509) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927523)

You don't have to deal with the FCC, but you will have to deal with the royalties companies.

Sound eXchange
BMI
SESAC
ASCAP

Do not confuse a tool to broadcast with a authority to broadcast. Even a talk radio show has to pay fees to be a legal internet broadcaster. I work at a radio station that is going through these troubles right now. If they want to REALLY appeal to the start-up Internet DJs, they would make a logging program to make it a little easier to be legal.

Software for radio stations. (1)

autechre (121980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927554)

If you're a non-profit radio station, you can use the software I developed for WMBC radio to track your CD collection, spins, attendence, schedule, and more:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/radiodb/

If you're a for-profit radio station, you can contact me about using the software (probably no issue unless you're a ClearChannel station, which I find repulsive).

If you have any feature requests or suggestions, please let me know.

There are others to worry about, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7928235)

Thanks to the DMCA, there is the RIAA (or does Sound eXchange cover them?) to worry about. And if you are a commercial radio station, there are the unions to worry about.

Re:Icecast is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927701)

Would it have killed the original poster to put this description in the headline or is it just too cool to expect everyone to know every inane piece of software?

Keep they headz ringin (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927104)

Heh heh

Yeahhh

What up, this is Dr Dre

The party's going on

Thank God it's Friday.

Autodisconnect from relays (5, Interesting)

kaos_ (96522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927105)

I'd like to run Icecast in our office relaying to some external streams to utilize bandwidth for many listeners. Unfortunately, Icecast stays connected to the relays even when there are no listeners, which is a waste. I remember earlier versions of Icecast had this feature, but it has now since gone.

you can't listen to this in winamp, so who cares (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927118)

IIRC, end users can't listen to Icecast on winamp without adding a plugin themselves. this is too complicated a step for my computer-illiterate friends to take when they want to hear my stream my music. Shoutcast is a betteralternative, if you can get it to work, simply because more it's more widely available.

Sad as it may be, getting things over the windows platform is still the name of the game.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927143)

Yes you can idiot.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (2, Informative)

lotsofno (733224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927152)

The wonderful thing about shoutcast is, all you need to really run your own internet radio station is WinAmp, shoutcast software, and a playlist.

Icecast sounds like a good idea, but the part where others have to download a plug-in to hear your stream would sound like too much work to the potential listener.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (2, Informative)

R0 (40549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927293)

you need a plugin to send stuff to the server to relay, *not* to listen.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (0)

lotsofno (733224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927603)

my mistake. feel free to mod me down and shoot me in the face.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927599)

Exactly what are you talking about? You don't need a plugin of any kind to listen to an Icecast stream.

And yes, there is a plugin available where you can stream right from XMMS to an icecast relay (it's called Oddsock, and I imagine there are others as well).

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (1)

sloptaco (709054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928342)

winamp? what the f*&$ is that?!?

I run Linux, so your argument is entirely irrelevant. Besides, that's somewhat like saying: "Gee, that's a swell app, but it's too much trouble because you have to download and install it." WTF? Dude, go back to luserland.

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (1)

sloptaco (709054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928442)

Wait a second. This guy got a "Score: 2, Informative". I propose a new score:

Score: -1, Total Lameass

--Sorry, just trolling ;)

Re:you can't listen to this in winamp, so who care (5, Informative)

shione (666388) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927157)

Only if you have Winamp 3 but why would you?

Winamp 2 and 5 support Icecast 2.0 OOB

http://www.icecast.org/3rdparty.php

Winamp 3 Works For Me too. (1)

autechre (121980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927575)

I'm using Winamp 3 on this work machine, and I can listen to icecast streams with no trouble. I didn't have to download anything other than what winamp.com gave me initially.

I can't reach the icecast page to check, so maybe they added something to later versions that breaks Winamp 3 (I'm using the icecast version that's in Debian Stable).

for non-pro/home broadcasting to take off (5, Interesting)

osmethnee (717516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927133)

for non-pro/home broadcasting to take off, there needs to be an underlying p2p network layer. This is particularly true as live video-streaming becomes more popular. http://www.peercast.org/ exists, but sadly doesn't seem to have been updated for 9 months, and activity in their forum is fairly low.

The Eugenia song (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927138)

Imagine a place
Where all the trolls play
To rape penguins,
Throw rotten fruit,
To smash the windows,
and to get stung by bees.

Imagine a place
Where you can't get moderated down for obvious flamebait
Where the report abuse function dosent work
But when you attack the Queen Be, you get flamed to a crisp

Imagine a place, where Xandros is always reviewed
Where Gnome trolls bash KDE
Where Macs whack Gnomes
Where Slackware and Debian trolls murder their own mothers

That place is real, and its called Eugenia's Trolling supersite, OSnews.com! [osnews.com]

Alternative Ogg codecs? (3, Interesting)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927144)

Does this support non-Vorbis Ogg codecs such as Speex or FLAC?

Re:Alternative Ogg codecs? (with OggFile) (3, Informative)

ArcRiley (737114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928684)

Monty is working on something called OggFile, which will be part of libogg2 (currently available in CVS). Basically, the goal is that OggFile will work alot like current proprietary systems (Real, Quicktime, etc) in that any program that uses OggFile will be able to transparently support any codec which OggFile supports (via plugins).

When OggFile becomes useable support for it will be added to Icecast, whereas we'll have support to stream Flac, Speex, Theora (video), any other Ogg codec available at the time. Also, with OggFile, source clients and media players will be able to support these codec combinations, whereas very few players currently support Speex or Flac streaming now.

Debian Install (5, Informative)

rudabager (702995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927158)

Incase anyone cant fig it out, icecast is avialable for debian as "apt-get install icecast-server".

3 years of testing and it goes down in 5 seconds (3, Funny)

acomj (20611) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927234)

Gotta love the slashdot effect. 15 comments and the servers down..

Re:3 years of testing and it goes down in 5 second (1)

rudabager (702995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927300)

you should use debian, and then you could just run apt-get install icestorm-server. And yes i love it when a site gets /.ed.

Kill -STOP never felt so good :-) (4, Funny)

xiphmont (80732) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927450)

Apologies; an ill-timed cron job strangled the disk throughput on the web server.

But really, who the Hell reads Slashdot before noon? Jeez people, go sleep. CVS will still be there come dusk...

Monty

Re:Kill -STOP never felt so good :-) (1)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927816)

I can't go to sleep you insensitive clod! I'm at work - they'd notice me sleeping. However, they won't notice me posting! Wheeeeeeee!

union busting, cheap help, getting the uneducated, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927252)

?vote?? why the georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi felon labor law 'changes', allows for all of this, & much more for the execrabilious wons, whilst disallowing J. Public to compete, even in the low-income range?

?legalized? slave labour returns to US? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927265)

this is what you wanted?

Icecast vs. Shoutcast? (3, Interesting)

alexatrit (689331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927255)

I used to run small stations in college, using Shoutcast on both Windows and FreeBSD. Very simple to install and run. I've read the Icecast FAQ, and I'm a bit confused. It says that it's compatible with Shoutcast servers. Does this mean shoutcast.com's listing servers? Has anyone seen how Shoutcast and Icecast compare as far as memory footprint, system usage, bandwidth usage? or are they more or less the same?

Re:Icecast vs. Shoutcast? (2, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927338)

I believe it means that a Shoutcast client can access an Icecast server as if it were a Shoutcast server. Icecast has potentially lower bandwidth usage, since it supports Vorbis. Otherwise, I've never noticed much of a difference (I've never used either of them for anything serious).

Re:Icecast vs. Shoutcast? (2, Interesting)

autechre (121980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927625)

icecast is supposed to be able to get you listed in both icecast and shoutcast directory servers, though some people have had trouble with this.

We started out running shoutcast after deciding to ditch Real. I moved to icecast mainly because the source was available and it was in Debian. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from Real's software keeping one of our servers stuck on kernel 2.0 and glibc 2.0, and I don't want to run anything dependent on one entity recompiling it.

Re:Icecast vs. Shoutcast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927770)

As far as system resource usage goes, I can only compare Icecast 2.0 beta to the first version of Icecast. Let me just say that the differences are amazing. I have 10 streams running on a 180 P-pro with 128MB and the last version of Icecast was taking up close to 20% of my processor at all times. A month ago I downloaded Icecast 2 beta and saw my usage drop to an average 4% usage.

Note that I also updated the IceS streamers, so that could've improved my usage stats a bit too.

But all-in-all I've been super happy with the latest version of Ices and Icecast. When the site comes back online you should really take a look at them.

--Derek.

Streaming to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927303)

Icecast does the work of sending the audio to clients, right? How does one stream audio to the Icecast server from a UNIX machine? There was a plugin for XMMS that did both Shoutcast and Icecast, but I can't find it anymore. Anyone?

Blogzine [blogzine.net]

Re:Streaming to? (1)

Oryn (136445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928264)

Use ether Ices2 or Darkice. Both these take audio from your sound card and encode it in real time. This is then sent to your streaming server. I have tried plugins for xmms but couldn't get them to work. (You may have more luck than me) xmms.org has a few streaming plugins.

Unless you have an emu10k1 type card that can record what it plays you'll need to use the alsa soundcard drivers. On most of the pc's I own this gives me a capture channel allowing recording of anything my sound card is playing.

I also found that the crossfade plugin for xmms works like a dream :)

IceS2 streaming (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928799)

It might be of note that iceS2 can also be used to stream from an existing media file without a soundcard being needed. I only got it to work for ogg though, not sure about Mp3s.

Re:Streaming to? -- Try Oddcast (1)

showdax (641430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928580)

http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv2_xmms/

Re:Streaming to? -- Try Oddcast (1)

ArcRiley (737114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928829)

Don't forget to mention that OddSock [oddsock.org] also has DSP stream sources for Winamp and Foobar (not just XMMS). These media player plugins work with multiple servers and, with Icecast2, supports MP3 and Ogg. Shoutcast and Icecast1 can only support MP3.

For those using real unix... (1)

clifgriffin (676199) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927331)

For those using pkgsrc, cd to /usr/pkgsrc/audio/icecast and make install

Thanks, I'll be here all day!

I have to admit (3, Interesting)

silence535 (101360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927350)

that I was somehow annoyed that they declared the old version (1.3.2 or something?) as deprecated long time before releasing 2.0. And the website has been unmaintained for quite a long period of those three years.
Actually I turned off my little community-radio-streaming-project just because ogg support was flaky and administration and monitoring was difficult.

But hey, it is always easy to bitch and not to help hands on.

Maybe now Iwill pick up this thing again..

-silence

Enough with the "radio station" nonsense! (-1, Troll)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927388)

People , give the broadcasting fantasies a miss. Just because you've got some cheap PC that does streaming audio down ADSL line to 3 people and
a dog does NOT mean you're running a radio stations. Radio stations do NOT require people to boot up a PC , connect to the internet and start up an
application program before they can be listened to. Radio stations "broadcast". The clue's in the last word. So stop pretending to everyone else oh here that you're some hot, l337 king of the airwaves. You ain't.

Re:Enough with the "radio station" nonsense! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927466)

Airways, no. Packets, yes.

GNU GPL? (-1)

m3j00 (606453) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927494)

So I entered my PIN Number into the ATM Machine so I could pay for my SAT test. Hopefully, if I get a good score I can go to LSU University to pursue my dream of becoming Director of the Department of Redundancy Department.

WHY DO YOU NEED A GOOD SAT TO GET INTO LSU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7928331)

200 should be more than enough to get you in.

Ogg rules (3, Interesting)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927496)

.. especially for streaming, since a 64kbps stream sounds as good as a 128kbps mp3 stream, which means more people can listen to it, even on their congested at-work LANs, and if you don't attract more people, then at least you cut your bandwidth bill in half. Other codecs that sound sweet at 64kbps exist (windows media, real, quicktime) but they're not free, so you end up paying more than you save in bandwidth.

And if you go legal with your streams, some licensing authorities (for want of a better word) haven't been clued in to how good ogg sounds at half the bitrate, so they'll give you a sucky-quality discount.

If you want to go legal w.r.t. streaming BigFive content in The Netherlands, I don't recommend it btw. BUMA/Stemra seem to have a process in place that's relatively sane (i.e. flat fee for non-commercial use) but you ALSO have to pay SENA (not that it's not spelled SANE..) who are total fucktards in their pricingstructure (BUMA/Stemra are fucktards as well, but at least the pricing schedules seem doable. Anyway, having investigated the options I decided against it (and no, I don't stream unlicensed either).

Re:Ogg rules (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927981)

>Other codecs that sound sweet at 64kbps exist (windows
>media, real, quicktime) but they're not free, so you end up
>paying more than you save in bandwidth.

Darwin Streaming Server (Quicktime) *is* free and open source (APSL).

Re:Ogg rules (2, Informative)

xiphmont (80732) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928491)

... but the AAC+SBR you need to get low bitrate performance with Darwin is not.

(He said Ogg, not Icecast, as Icecast is not a codec and neither is the Darwin Streaming Server)

Monty

Re:Ogg rules (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928266)

"... more people can listen to it, even on their congested at-work LANs, and if you don't attract more people, then at least you cut your bandwidth bill in half."

You have to pay for your LAN bandwidth at work? Wow! You do have tough IT department. Most places I've worked the IT department is a continual expense that managers don't understand. Your's must be profitable!

Capture windows sound output? (1)

illumen (718958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927610)

Anyone know how to capture windows sound output?

I would like to capture it and then broadcast with icecast2.
Found you could use a winamp plugin to source icecast2. However winamp can not capture sound(I think?).

Have fun!
holepit [holepit.com] ; a winders game.

Re:Capture windows sound output? (1)

evbell (723550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927803)

I've seen quite a few live input plug-ins. Plus I've seen instructions on setting this up with the default shoutcast transcoder.

Here's one winamp plug-in (from NullSoft) to try:
Shoutcast Live Input Plug-in Download - 1.0b [downseek.com]

I just set up a shoutcast server (not icecast ... yet!) to stream my band's original music (shameless plug [bluejazzmusic.com] ). Just an mp3 stream right now (well, two: 96kbps and 24kbps). I'm looking for an easy (open source?) way to also stream WMA. As many people have mentioned, some people just won't go through the trouble of downloading another player when the one they have seems to work fine for 'em. Anyone have any WMA streaming suggestions?

Re:Capture windows sound output? (1)

sloptaco (709054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928248)

Why the hell would you want to output wma etc? That's basically closing your audience to people who run doze or people who gone to the trouble to set up the proprietary codecs on other systems. From a community standpoint, wouldn't mp3 be the best format for output? Ogg would be the most optimal, but unfortunately hasn't become common enough.

Re:Capture windows sound output? (1)

evbell (723550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928770)

My main connection is a 96kbps mp3 stream. I'm using streamTranscoder from oddsock.org to provide a second 24kpbs mp3 stream. In no way do I want to run JUST a WMA stream. I just want a way to add another stream that's a WMA of the current mp3 stream. Getting a lot of complaints that the radio doesn't work from people who only have Windows Media Player.

But does it run on Mac OS X? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7927661)

This is /. after all...

Is it using UDP yet? (1)

pestie (141370) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927853)

So, are they using UDP as a transport yet? I doubt it. I know, I know, the Icecast people just build a server for the Shoutcast protocol, but dammit, it's always bugged me that the designers of Shoutcast decided to use TCP as the underlying transport. UDP makes metric assloads more sense for a time-sensitive application like realtime audio delivery, where the consequences of losing a packet or two are nothing more than a momentary audio glitch. One thing that caused me to give up on internet radio was the phenomenon where a little packet loss would cause the connection to hang indefinitely, requiring a stop and restart to get it going again. UDP would eliminate this sort of nonsense entirely.

Developer satisfaction is (1)

Cenuij (526885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7927862)

  • Three years of development
  • Six weeks of testing
  • Tweny four hours of having your site ./'d so nobody can try your leet code out

I wonder if they fixed... (2, Interesting)

bigberk (547360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7928613)

All icecast 2 betas I tried were missing a vital feature; the ability to flood audio data out at the start of the TCP connection (rather than deliver it at the stream bitrate) -- this is vital because when you take too long delivering the data your stream can die due to filled queues.

For example, there may be temporary packet loss on the network that results in TCP data queueing up at the sending side. Now unless icecast can correct for that rate mismatch, you're consistently behind and eventually the stream dies.

I think they might have now added the fix, which is to step up its send rate from the stream bitrate whenever it has to, i.e. whenever the client falls behind (temporary network glitch). The unfortunate result otherwise is that your streams can die on a flaky network connection, even if the average bandwidth over time is more than enough to handle the audio stream!

Or... let me know, try my stream [pc9.org]
. Does it die on you quite quickly after connect?
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