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Sony X505/SP Notebook Review

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the eat-a-sandwich dept.

Hardware 235

John Gaule writes "Earlier it was mentioned on Slashdot that Sony has introduced the worlds thinnest laptop, the Sony X505 which weighs just under 2lbs. Designtechnica has reviewed this system and compares it to the JVC Interlink 7310, Panasonic W2 and Sony TR1A laptops. Apparently Sony had to have a custom motherboard configured to get the CPU and hard drive in the right position for cooling. There is also no integrated WiFi but it uses an 802.11g WiFi PC Card."

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Better link and more info on this laptop (4, Informative)

W32.Klez.A (656478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930026)

The full review on one page is available here [designtechnica.com] .

Also, I must say, that is quite the small laptop. And you can see the fingerprints all over it in one of the photos on the main article. :-)

There are other images available here [icube.us] as well.

Re:Better link and more info on this laptop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930160)

FREE NELSON MANDELA!!!!

Re:FREE MANDELA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930203)

In every box of Corn Flakes. Details inside!

Re:Better link and more info on this laptop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930197)

Notebooks. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Better link and more info on this laptop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930540)

in SOVIET RUSSIA, good is what notebooks are all about.

Laptop too thin.. too small. (3, Interesting)

jangell (633044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930362)

I dont know but IMO a smaller/thinner notebook is a very specialized product for a small market. I personally have a Dell Inspiron 4150 and I think it weighs in around 5-7lbs, but I think it is a perfect weight/size. When you go smaller you start to lose drives (ie, cdrom, etc..), I/O connections, and also the laptop is so light that if you *accidentally* snag your power cord then its to the floor w/ the laptop. I hate the devices that are too small... PDA/phones that try to be laptops (or laptops that try to be palm/small sized) are less user friendly.

Re:Laptop too thin.. too small. (4, Insightful)

Trashman (3003) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930497)

I dont know but IMO a smaller/thinner notebook is a very specialized product for a small market. I personally have a Dell Inspiron 4150 and I think it weighs in around 5-7lbs, but I think it is a perfect weight/size


To each his own. The notion of the perfect size/weight is subjective. I personally think the IBM T30/T40 is the perfect wieght at less than 5-lbs and it is still very functional.

Re:Laptop too thin.. too small. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930683)

I dont know but IMO a smaller/thinner notebook is a very specialized product for a small market. I personally have a Dell Inspiron 4150 and I think it weighs in around 5-7lbs, but I think it is a perfect weight/size

To each his own. The notion of the perfect size/weight is subjective. I personally think the IBM T30/T40 is the perfect wieght at less than 5-lbs and it is still very functional.


Heathens! The only valid weights are: 4.6 [apple.com] , 5.6 [apple.com] and 6.9 [apple.com] ! :)

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930040)

yeah

GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930047)

Is teh winz.

FUCK YOU GOD DAMN PIECE OF SHIT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930131)

what the fuck is with all this crap about gay niggers? you guys need to be stuck in IRAQ and let the SAND NIGGERS have their way with your puny little nigger asses! fuck you all you motherfucking faggots!

it breaks easily (-1, Interesting)

Tirel (692085) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930054)

What they don't mention in the review is how easily these things break, I got the new Sony for christmas and it fell on the floor (from 1 meter), and almost broke in half. I mean wtf? I think I'll just be sticking with Apple powerbooks from now on as they make the most durable and stable laptops on the market. I just love their 17" G4, it's such a beast ;-)

I would seriously suggest you try it out live before you buy it (but dropping it on the floor at the store might not be the best idea.) Or better yet, choose ppc [apple.com] ,
for superior architecture and design.

Re:it breaks easily (2, Interesting)

dattaway (3088) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930096)

"Almost" broke in half? Usually, smaller and lighter devices don't hit the ground as hard. It would be unusual to have a featherweight laptop to break due to its light weight. Do you have pictures of the damage?

Re:it breaks easily (1, Informative)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930299)

Usually, smaller and lighter devices don't hit the ground as hard.

Basic physics tells us all objects, when air resistance is neglected, hit the ground at the same velocity when dropped from the same height, and for a one-meter fall, I don't think air resistance is the issue.

Re:it breaks easily (4, Insightful)

jsahol (621872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930331)

Same velocity, different momentum, though, right?

Re:it breaks easily (1)

Strog (129969) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930384)

That's true if you want to talk about the speed at which they hit. You neglected inertia which tells us that the heavier object will have much more energy.

Hold a 2x4 in front of you and I'll shoot a 22 pistol and a 45 auto at the board. I bet the board will stop the 22 but do you want to find out if it can stop the 45 at roughly the same velocity?

f=m*a (1)

levl289 (72277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930460)

the force of the impact is equal to the mass of the object (a light notebook) multiplied by the acceleration of gravity.

velocity stays the same, but the force of impact is greater or smaller depending on the mass of the object. the original poster was correct if you take hard==force.

Re:it breaks easily (1)

Mochatsubo (201289) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930544)


When a mouse falls down a well, it's stunned but survives. When a man falls down the well, it breaks. When a horse falls down a well, it splashes.

-- a crude rememberance of a quote with attribution that has been long forgotten

sit down fanboy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930130)


if i sat on any laptop it will fail, having an Apple logo on the front of my taiwanese laptop makes no difference

Apple manufacture nothing, its all outsourced to the same people that make laptops for Del,Sony et al

Re:it breaks easily (0)

cb8100 (682693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930159)

Damn, dude. Be more careful with your stuff. I wouldn't expect any brand of laptop (except for those OLD 286 "mobile computers" that were about 6 inches thick when closed) to survive a 3 foot drop.

Re:it breaks easily (1)

gnushell (195014) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930163)

Hell, even my iBook has taken many a tumble and survived. One corner is chipped, and the LCD frame is slightly cracked in four places, but the structural integrity has not been compromised. It works as if it's never been dropped.

I've had to use Compaqs, and Toshibas at work, and none have been as well constructed.

Re:it breaks easily (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930186)

A fellow I know at college had a W2, and almost the same happened to him. He put his notebook in his backpack, which rolled from one step down to another, barely a one foot drop, and the panasonic dropped out of the side a few inches onto the concrete.

The result? a smashed screen and it wouldn't close properly. I'd ribbed him about how weak the thing looked, but didn't expect it to be so insanely fragile.

These things are notebooks, but I don't think they're meant to be portable, they're more like your grandmother's finest china tea set. So impeccably made, so fine, so well crafted... and not something you'd want to use for their supposed purpose.

(I bought myself a 12" powerbook btw. It's not as elegant as the W2, but stunning in its own right)

MOD HIM DOWN.. WELL KNOWN TROLL.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930215)

Parent is a well know troll and his signature is a goatse link.Look at his history. Please mod him down.

are you kidding? (-1, Redundant)

therealcaf (697590) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930219)

There aren't many electronics I would expect to survive a 3+ foot fall. You dropped it on the floor, it broke, and you're suprised about it? I mean...wtf.

Re:it breaks easily (1)

e-matt (158558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930339)

Lets Give Credit where Credit is do IBM makes some of the best laptop, for stability and performance.

Only caveat is the IBM (corporate level machines T and A Series) tend to more exepnsive than Dell but they also last much longer.

Drop a powerbook... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930371)

...and little angel wings spring out to levitate it just above the floor. Now that's superior design!

If we save just one person from buying a Sony (2, Informative)

Dasein (6110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930423)

All these comments saying "What do you expect from a 3+ foot-drop" Valid point but it doesn't change the fact that I will never own another Sony. The one that I had (also an ultra-portable or whatever they call it these days) would drop screws like crazy. The battery went kaput very fast. The hard-drive made that terrible "I'm about to fail noise". Bad, bad product.

So, how about the service. Non-existent. I was promised shipping boxes and RMA tags on no less that four occasions and never received a single one.

There is good news though, someone broken into out house a stole this piece of shit. Our insurance paid replacement cost, which allowed me to get a Dell. Been pretty happy with that.

For another thread of unhappy Sony owners check this [slashdot.org] out.

Re:it breaks easily (1)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930446)

Yes...nothing like shattering screens or malfunctioning latches to make you think that Apple has a quality product. The most recent iBooks are abysmal in my opinion, certainly no better than the run-of-the-mill HP's and Compaq's you see in Best Buy or Circuit City.

So drop your mac from 1 meter and see what happens (-1, Troll)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930457)

Oh...don't want to try that, do yah?

Re:it breaks easily (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930538)

"I think I'll just be sticking with Apple powerbooks from now on as they make the most durable and stable laptops on the market."

You want durability and stability? Try Tadpole [tadpolecomputer.com] . Used by the US military. Runs Solaris and Linux. I've found Thinkpads pretty solid as well. YMMV.

440Mhz at $3000 (1)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930595)

So 1996... I wonder if those ultraSparcs are really that good performance/clock-wise.

Re:it breaks easily (2, Informative)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930549)

I've had 3 VAIOs none of which have broken or are in any way flimsy.

I can understand some people want laptops with lots of drives etc, but personally I find once I've got everything I need installed on the machine I rarely need a CD drive for anything since new software gets transferred via the network. Different strokes and all that of course.

Re:it breaks easily (2, Informative)

technomancerX (86975) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930611)

Having used a wide variety of laptops (IBM, Sony, Toshiba, and Apple) I have to say Apples are not bad for durability, but IBM laptops are the ultimate. I still have a Thinkpad 570 (5 years old) that's functional with no structural damage that's been dropped several times from heights up to 5 feet.

The thing got yanked off a desktop when somebody tripped over the power cord during a reboot. It hit the floor on it's side on battery power after dropping 3 feet and never even hickuped while rebooting. I picked it up, plugged it back in, and went back to work. This was when the laptop was ~1 month old.

The only thing I've ever had to do to it as far as service was have the display hinge replaced when it was roughly 2 and a half years old. It was still under normal warranty. Service went like this:

  1. Day 1 - flickering display, called IBM, they said they'd send an Airborn Express box
  2. Day 2 - received box, packed laptop, called Airborn Express and they came and picked it up
  3. Day 3 - laptop at ibm
  4. Day 4 - got laptop back from IBM working fine mid morning

I've had the same problem with my iBook, which I'm typing this on, which was 8 months old at the time. For starters I was seriously pissed to be having problems with a system less that a year old. Service went like this:

  1. Day 1 - had problem, called Apple, was informed Store XYZ had authorized Mac techs and I should take it to them
  2. Day 2 - drove laptop to Store XYZ, they looked at it, told me the display hinge (and thus the display connector) was bad (which I already knew) and it would need to be shipped to Apple for repair, left laptop with them after being told it would be 7 to 14 days before they'd have it back and that they'd call for me to come pick it up when it was in... grumbled while driving home
  3. Day 7 - no laptop
  4. Day 9 - decided to call Store XYZ, laptop was in that morning, drove to Store XYZ and picked up laptop

I have to say IBM's service makes Apple's look like a bad joke. IBM picked up and returned my laptop in a period of three days. Apple's service for the same problem involved two car trips and a nine day wait. I was also upset that a problem that's taken around 2 to 2 and a half years to develop on the two Thinkpads I've owned occured on my iBook in less than a year... and seems to be starting again at a year and a half... not to mention the battery which died at 13 months (which is not covered by an Apple Care extended warranty, so I had to replace it out of pocket). Now if only IBM would license OS X and build some Power PC laptops... sigh.

Mine still works after 3+ years (1)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930612)

I have an N505VE and it's working great after 3+ years. The battery is dead (though I've never seen a battery last this long) but otherwise it runs like day 1.

I've never dropped it, but I think the build is pretty solid. The powerbooks also seem nice to me, I must admit.

Re:it breaks easily (4, Funny)

skidoo2 (650483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930705)

This should have been modded down as a troll. Or maybe even spam. "I dropped it and it broke?" That's interesting. Come on.

Thinner and thinner. (4, Interesting)

ActionPlant (721843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930066)

Looks like Apple will be going back to the drawing board. The iBooks look pretty thick in comparison.

Damon,

Re:Thinner and thinner. (1)

kertong (179136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930190)

But you have to consider - the iBook comes with a combodrive that can burn CDs, as well as read DVDs. The powerbooks that are even thinner, come with a superdrive that'll read/write DVDs and read/write CDs. Slot loading, too!

On top of that, you get DVI output, firewire ports, and usb ports too. I couldn't see what this new Sony laptop had (site is slashdotted), but looking at the images, it seems pretty bare-boned. Does it even come with a mouse/trackpad, or do you have to use the external USB mouse they provide?

Re:Thinner and thinner. (1)

ActionPlant (721843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930259)

I didn't notice the first time around, and now I can't get to it. Guess we'll have to wait to find out.

That's okay, I'll stick with my iBook. It's cuter anyway.

Damon,

Re:Thinner and thinner. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930191)

Looks like Apple will be going back to the drawing board. The iBooks look pretty thick in comparison.

Nah, with this example at 3500 to 4000 bucks depending on case materials, I'm not seeing it in the same league w/ Apple PBs.

No CD drive. No built-in wifi. A 10 inch screen. And Windows?

You can have it.

Re:Thinner and thinner. (0, Redundant)

ActionPlant (721843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930300)

Nah, with this example at 3500 to 4000 bucks depending on case materials, I'm not seeing it in the same league w/ Apple PBs.

No CD drive. No built-in wifi. A 10 inch screen. And Windows?

You can have it.


That's okay, I really don't want it.

Re:Thinner and thinner. (1)

kertong (179136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930383)

[i]That's okay, I really don't want it.[/i]

Give it to me! I'll whore it on ebay for $3500 and buy 2 12" Powerbooks for the price. :)

we will be right back (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930075)


after this commercial break

I won't give up my Powerbook. (-1)

Bubba (11258) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930087)

Especially since I didn't pay for it.

I'm an idiot. (-1, Offtopic)

Upaut (670171) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930143)

I, Upaut, am too stupid to log out of slashdot before walking away from a public computer.

No onboard RJ45 connection (5, Funny)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930145)

Yeah, I really missed those dangling network adapters [icube.us] .
Getting connected is a must. X505 gives you the
option to connect to your network through USB to
LAN adapter or Wireless (WIFI card is included)
I guess it should have actually read: Getting connected is a must. But we forgot about it during design.

Re:No onboard RJ45 connection (2, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930276)

An RJ45 plug is thicker then the notebook. Since it has built in WiFi I dont realy think the loss of a 10/100 port is that much of an isse. Whats more the USB->Ethernet adaptors are not much thinker then the ethernet cable itself.

Re:No onboard RJ45 connection (1)

KirkH (148427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930386)

There is no built-in WiFi. You have to use a PC Card.

Re:No onboard RJ45 connection (2, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930429)

Your right, my bad. Still dont think its much of an issue. Most if not all the Sony slim notebooks have been sans ethernet.

Re:No onboard RJ45 connection (1)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930637)

Missing the builtin wifi is quite lame, but not having an RJ45 jack on-board is forgivable, seeing that the laptop is too small to even accomodate one. (Though, I must admit, the tininess of the RJ11 jack on my N505VE astounded me the first time I saw it!) Maybe if they moved the power switch and used that swivel point for the jack?

I personally like my Toshiba (0, Offtopic)

pogle (71293) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930146)

After 6 years of tech support, Toshiba is the most problem free of the laptops I've dealt with, and IBM/Dell tied for the worst. Apple laptops are also sweet, but I've had more limited dealings with those.

Just got a Toshiba Satellite M35-S359. Something like 1.4" thick, 15.4" screen, ~7lbs. *Very* sweet laptop, and heat is no issue with the Centrino proc in there. Forget IBM's fragile creation, get something with some panache :)

Re:I personally like my Toshiba (1)

e-matt (158558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930407)

I'd like to which ThinkPad's you were using?



I agree Toshibia has made good machine in the past put there recent efforts are severly lacking.



Opionion's are like A-holes, eveyone's got them

Re:I personally like my Toshiba (1)

pogle (71293) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930486)

"I'd like to which ThinkPad's you were using?"

Too many to list. Been dealing with them for years, a lot of professors at my university had them.

"I agree Toshibia has made good machine in the past put there recent efforts are severly lacking."

Aside from getting a defective power plug out of the box, this Satellite has offered no trouble at all. YMMV of course.

"Opionion's are like A-holes, eveyone's got them"

Well, yeah. This is /. after all :)

Merely offering my insight from doing generalized tech support.

Re:I personally like my Toshiba (1)

planetmn (724378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930526)

The toshiba I'm using here at work right now sucks. Thing is heavy as hell. Sure it has a 15" screen, but the size of the case I need to lug this thing around makes it more like a moveable desktop than a laptop. Give me a 1" thin (or thinner) sub-5lb notebook with a 12" screen anyday over this giant. And for the price paid for the Toshiba, we could have easily bought a nice IBM T-series. Note, this Toshiba is not a centrino. -dave

Re:I personally like my Toshiba (2, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930655)

I've had just about the exact opposite experience... Well, except for Dell. Their laptops are just awful for the price. We had one die recently and it took about two days of us trying to repair it followed by two tech visits and mailing it back to the manufacturer for it to start working again. Meanwhile we loaned the guy who it belonged to one of our presentation Thinkpads... He's repeatedly begged to keep the Thinkpad instead of his Latitude.
In our case, we can't kill the Thinkpads in service with us. They're solid sturdy functional little machines. They're also fast, as well.
Toshiba I probably haven't given a fair shake, as the police department got a bunch of refurb Toshibas and they were some of the worst trash I've ever dealt with. I saw in another post you said the Thinkpads you had problems with were used mainly by professors... What sort of problems did you experience? I begin to wonder if it was PEBKAC...

RIAA, Bad luck (5, Insightful)

jrockway (229604) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930149)

I know slashdotters (like myself) love Sony's offerings... they're cool and neat looking, but remember that Sony is supporting the RIAA in all of the lawsuits. Also, the MemoryStick media that they back (and surely put in this laptop) is much more expensive than CF or SD or anything else.

Also, I just plain haven't had good luck with Sony products:

My NX60 stopped working one day for no reason (didn't drop or crush it), my stereo shocks me when i touch the case (so that's gone), my brother's PS2 died for no reason, my coworker's sony laptop's keys [letters on the keyboard] have all rubbed off ("how can I type now!?" "remember where the keys are" "what!!???"), etc, etc, etc.

My Multiscan200sf monitor is holding up quite nicely; that's a well-made piece of machinery :) Then again, maybe they didn't suck in 1997.

Note that I'm not flaming or trolling, I just think that most people on slashdot would be better-served by choosing a more open vendor than Sony.

Re:RIAA, Bad luck (1)

pogle (71293) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930193)

The only bit of Sony hardware I own is a nice 19" Trinitron CRT. I learned to stay away from most of their other stuff after tech supporting some of it. A lot of people share your luck in dealing with their products, in my experience.

Although I do enjoy the PS2, I waited till it was cheap-ish (relatively speaking).

Re:RIAA, Bad luck (2, Interesting)

Whispers_in_the_dark (560817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930377)

I don't know about the other denizens here, but I have to say I have *never* had any luck with any computer device made by Sony that had mechanical components (so I'm supporting the parent posting in a way). I previously owned a VAIO -- a large one, not the little tiny ones -- so I expect the device to be at least a little durable. Instead, the keyboard failed within a year. A year later, the hinge on the screen broke. The device is still operable, but it is *extremely* fragile.

I ended up getting a Dell Inspiron next since I take my machine to/from work daily. In some ways it has worked better but the CD-RW's slide mechanism is all screwed up. After closer examination -- you know it's coming -- the stupid thing's made by Sony.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not the easiest on portable electronics. But of the things I own that have had mechanical failures, it's the Sony label that's on most of them.

This is just my experience, YMMV.

Re:RIAA, Bad luck (1)

I_M_Noman (653982) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930468)

Also, I just plain haven't had good luck with Sony products: My NX60 stopped working one day for no reason (didn't drop or crush it), my stereo shocks me when i touch the case (so that's gone), my brother's PS2 died for no reason, my coworker's sony laptop's keys [letters on the keyboard] have all rubbed off
Your experience is completely different than mine. I've had a Vaio PCG505F since it came out (going on 5 years now) and haven't had a lick of trouble with it. Despite the small screen and slooooooooow processor (P233 -- fast enough then, deadly now) it just works. And my Clie N610c is still great two years into its life.

I guess that's why they created the phrase "your mileage may vary."

Re:RIAA, Bad luck (2, Interesting)

dial0g (86962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930572)

I share your experience with recent Sony products. My VAIO R505 has had numerous issues (LCD latch has broken 2 times for no apparant reason, docking station has had issues, and the battery has problems and is costly to replace).

I also have a dead PS2 (my newer PS2 works perfectly though, seems they fixed the DRE problems) and it seems any discman I've bought int the past few years has died in 6 months.

Interestingly, I had a discman from early-mid 90's that lasted a good 6 years as well as a bookshelf stereo system from '94 that still runs great. I also have a Sony Trinitron-FD monitor that is 3 years old and runs perfectly.

Interestingly, Sony gives 3 year warranties on their monitors (compared to much shorter warranties on the products mentioned above) - so if you are looking at any Sony products check the warranty. If they only expect it to last 90 days you probably shouldn't expect it to last much longer...

But, but, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930623)

But it is so shiny!

I, too, boycott the **AA, like any good slashdotter.

If I don't get this Sony laptop, how am I going to watch my LOTR & Star Wars boxed set DVDs? How am I going to listen to all of the Matrix soundtrack CDs I bought?

Re:RIAA, Bad luck (-1, Redundant)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930711)

A great formulat for +5 Insightful...

1) A blanket term that will be contradicted a'la Mark Antony's speach for Caesar. I know slashdotters (like myself) love Sony's offerings

2) Use RIAA in a negative sense. remember that Sony is supporting the RIAA in all of the lawsuits

3) Bring up solid state memory comparisons. much more expensive than CF or SD or anything else

4) Use the word "open" in reference to slashdotters to gain trust, even if it doesn't exactly make sense. , I just think that most people on slashdot would be better-served by choosing a more open vendor than Sony

5) Get modded up.

2Thin 2Furious (2, Funny)

ThePretender (180143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930158)

No direct quote as the article is now Slashdotted... However, they ask about inspiration for the carbon fiber. Oh come on, we all know carbon fiber is rad on your tricked out import racer, so why wouldn't it look just as cool on your laptop?

Re:2Thin 2Furious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930439)

Carbon fiber is light and strong, retard!

Re:2Thin 2Furious (1)

ThePretender (180143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930548)

I'm sorry to have left out the indication that it was obviously a joke, asshat.

looks like they're testing it as their webserver.. (-1, Offtopic)

mrgreenfur (685860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930161)

it's toasted... and only 8 comments!

LOLOMGWTF! YOU MAD# TEH FUNNAY W3BSRVR JOK# +5 LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930182)

LOLOLOLOLOROFL

Re:LOLOMGWTF! YOU MAD# TEH FUNNAY W3BSRVR JOK# +5 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930226)

I Agree With This Post

Can a laptop be too thin? Too small? (4, Insightful)

in_ur_face (177250) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930170)

I dont know but IMO a smaller/thinner notebook is a very specialized product for a small market. I personally have a Dell Inspiron 4150 and I think it weighs in around 5-7lbs, but I think it is a perfect weight/size. When you go smaller you start to lose drives (ie, cdrom, etc..), I/O connections, and also the laptop is so light that if you *accidentally* snag your power cord then its to the floor w/ the laptop. I hate the devices that are too small... PDA/phones that try to be laptops (or laptops that try to be palm/small sized) are less user friendly.

Re:Can a laptop be too thin? Too small? (1)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930260)

Ironic...the size of laptops decreases while the average weight of Americans increases.

Hmmmm...a new theorum is born:

The size of laptops is inversely proportional to the size of the American consumer.

Re:Can a laptop be too thin? Too small? (4, Funny)

be-fan (61476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930316)

Hmmmm...a new theorum is born:

Slashdotters can't spell theorem.

Re:Can a laptop be too thin? Too small? (1)

d^2b (34992) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930298)

Depends why you have a laptop. If you travel, then no, as long as the keyboard is usable, then no,
there is no such thing as too small and light.

Personally, I can live without any drives when
I travel: compact flash makes a reasonable backup choice.

Re:Can a laptop be too thin? Too small? (2, Funny)

FreshFunk510 (526493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930754)

Yes, I was about to say that sooner or later laptops will be so light that people will be afraid to use them outdoors lest they be blown away in the wind. Soon we will be needing laptop-weights just to hold them down.

$4000? HolySheeeee-it. (2, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930202)

My God. $4,000 who is going to buy this? P-Diddy? Martha Stewart?

Re:$4000? HolySheeeee-it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930234)

Just wait a few years. Not too long ago, I bought a VAIO that originally sold for $3800 for only $300. Couldn't run a modern windows installation, but it runs linux just fine.

Re:$4000? HolySheeeee-it. (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930654)

"My God. $4,000 who is going to buy this? P-Diddy? Martha Stewart?"

A sales manager who travels a lot with an expense account...

/.'ed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930204)

Well, someone must be RTFA. Site is gone.

Sony had to have a custom motherboard configured? (0)

odyrithm (461343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930212)

Sony had to have a custom motherboard configured to get the CPU and hard drive in the right position for cooling

I know Im no expert at language, but isnt that a contradiction? ;)

Re:Sony had to have a custom motherboard configure (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930545)

Are custom motherboards a rare thing in the PC laptop world? That seems pretty unlikely to me.

keyboard position (5, Insightful)

planetsphinx (712454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930228)

ok, with the keyboard slammed against the outside edge of the deck, how the heck am I supposed to use this in my *LAP*?
Come on Sony.. move the keyboard back so I can rest my palms on the deck, and hold the laptop on my lap at the same time...

Re:keyboard position (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930297)

I Agree With This Post

Re:keyboard position (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930320)

you are SOOOOOOO right.. jebus... cant believe they still make laptops like this.

Re:keyboard position (1)

gantrep (627089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930456)

They stopped calling them laptops when the things became too hot to use on the lap without risk of burns. They're notbooks now. I guess just put it on a desk and use one of these [hp.com]

Custom configured motherboard? (1)

swanky (23477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930264)


Don't all laptops pretty much have custom configured motherboards anyway?

Re:Custom configured motherboard? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930370)

Nope. Most have a 1 from colum A, 2 from colum B setup by your freindly Tiwanese mfg.

yiv jfopew fdsf flibble (-1, Offtopic)

gantrep (627089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930311)

The mouse doesn't look very ergonomic.

Touchpad? (5, Interesting)

loteck (533317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930340)

Does anyone know if Sony has addressed the widespread touchpad issues [com.com] that have plauged the Vaio laptops, specifically the 505 series?

I have a thin v505 that is less than 6 months old, has been treated extremely gently, and is already in need of touchpad replacement/repair (the cursor just skips all over and simply does not accurately track finger movement). This is an annoying and widespread enough problem to warrant those considering purchase of a 505 to perhaps think twice. And if you do, definitely get that extended warranty (but that may just go without saying in laptop purchasing).

Re:Touchpad? (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930560)

For this model, yes. It has a trackpoint instead.

Too small to be useful (4, Insightful)

KirkH (148427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930355)

It's pretty cool, I'll give it that. But at $3500 or $4000 (depending on which case material you go with) it's just too expensive and too feature limited to be something I would go for.

No trackpad (have to use trackpoint or external mouse).
No built-in floppy or optical drive.
Have to use dongles for LAN and VGA out.
Have to use PC Card for 802.11.
Only a 20GB hard drive.
Max of 512MB RAM.
1 GHz Centrino CPU.

All your paying for is thinness and lightness. That may be enough for some, but not me. Get rid of all the dongles, include a CD drive, beef up the specs a bit and then we can talk. I don't care if you have to make it a little thicker and heavier -- it needs to be useful!

I suspect they're going for the mobile professional market. Marketing guys that will pay out the nose for the smallest, hippest item. Good luck to 'em.

Re:Too small to be useful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930600)

Yikes. I didn't look at the specs but after seeing those pathetic features for that super high price, I personally would be much more inclined to spend that much money on a powerbook 15 or 17 inch. My question is the quality of the LCD. From experience the quality of the 17 inch powerbook display is amazing.

Re:Too small to be useful (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930603)

They do make something like what you want. It's called the TR series.

Unlike Apple, Sony makes more than 2 different laptop ranges.

Re:Too small to be useful (2, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930691)

"All your paying for is thinness and lightness. That may be enough for some, but not me."

It's not meant for you. It's a niche product. It's meant for business travellers.

I saw a few laptops sorta like this (very small, no externals to speak of) being used by journalists and business peeps at Siggraph a couple of years ago. Whereas I have an Inspiron. I love this machine but I'd be nervous as hell trying to navigate around the show floor with it tucked under my arm.

Sharp Actius MM-10 (4, Informative)

kindbud (90044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930356)

I got one of these. It weighs slightly more than the Sony, but has a Transmeta 933Mhz CPU, integrated 100baseT and 802.11b, 2 USB 2.0 ports, 10.1" TFT, and a touchpad. It runs Linux with no problem, except that the ALi sound chip doesn't support SPDIF, yet the sound driver expects this chip to support SPDIF and tries to initialize those ports with colorful results. :) A few minutes' hacking on the driver source, and that problem was solved.

With the bigger battery, its weight goes up to a whole 2.9 lbs, but it runs for 9 hours.

Re:Sharp Actius MM-10 (3, Informative)

kindbud (90044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930671)

Oh, I suppose I ought to post the point I was trying to make. First point is that tiny notebooks don't have to give up important features like network connectivity and touchpads. The second point is that because my Sharp is so lightweight, I use it and carry it with me much more often than the full-size notebooks I have owned previously.

Japanese (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930455)

Why are the Japanese always designing things around the characteristics of their penises? That hook-nose kike Freud was right afterall!

Fuck your heirarchy of moderation! Bring down the house trollaxor, GNAA, and troll priest!

Custom Designed Motherboard? (2, Insightful)

LamerX (164968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930501)

What do they mean by custom designed motherboard? Is there some sort of standard for notebook motherboards? I thought they were all custom designed. Last time I checked my crappy Dell notebook had a custom motherboard in it too. I think maybe that was some kind of hype statement?

Vaio Keyboards suck (1)

elan (171883) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930506)

The thing I've found is that if you type extremely quickly, and especially two of the same letter in a row, the Vaios are likely to miss the second keystroke. I thought it was a problem with my laptop, but the other ones in the store suffered from that problem as well.

Anyone else notice this?

robbIE online dating/won-eyed girl review? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7930559)

when too much is never enough, there's always the stuff that matters slowgun (for sale).

this storIE may never be tolled accurately?

planet/population rescue, gnu millennium edition? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, @12:08PM (#7846083)
no need to wrap it, just put it on the kharm(a).

making the case that the won-eyed girl is a phonIE (mynuts won, beating a lame won to debt, & incestuating 100's of thousands of lonely hobbyists/members of robbIE's gnu dating service?)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, @06:48AM (#7844071)

will corepirate nazi felon ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead execrable (mynuts won, it's ok if you do it for monIE?)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, @06:44AM (#7844061)
skew/FUDge survey results/EVERYTHING?

you can bet your .asp again on that won. fortunately we have robbIE's 'stuff that matters' slowgun, & his gnu dating service to keep US abreast of reality/prevent softwar gangster hypenosys mindphuking?

&, failing that, we have the:

pateNTdead eyecon0meter used to .controll ?pr? ?firm? crap? (mynuts won, need a date buddIE?)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 30, @02:38PM (#7837849)
that's right. this stuff is unbreakable, & wwworks on several (more than 3) dimensions.

morons build vessel that floats on any suBStance? (mynuts won, no need to be suspicious?)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @02:53PM (#7829639)
you can bet your .asp on that won?

creators/humankind converge to repel unprecedented evile? (mynuts won, who run our 'banks'?)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @02:51PM (#7829610)

& why not? what other options are there for us?

eyecon0meter: survival most sought after feature? (mynuts won, get yOUR freedumb here?)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @02:48PM (#7829586)

creators' badtoll over corepirate nazi execrable (mynuts won, many think hangin's way too good for the skalywags?)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @02:46PM (#7829567)
disposal?

newclear power dissed/cussed? (mynuts won, no animals killed buy MiStake in newclear power generation)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @02:41PM (#7829536)
&, it's free as in free.

newclear powered blips explore corepirate nazi (mynuts won, no lowrating robbIE's sponsors?)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, @07:53AM (#7826913)
cesspool?

pheWWW.

lookout bullow. the daze of the phonIE payper liesense ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys stock markup FraUD softwar gangster execrable, is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the increasing speed of right.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... get ready to brighten up?

solar(is) power included?

* mynuts won, stuff that really matters is...? by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Wednesday December 31, @12:14PM

* lookout bullow? by Anonymous Coward Friday January 02, @04:19PM

My experience with Sony laptops (4, Interesting)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930569)

A few years ago, I baught a Sony VAIO laptop. It cost about $3000. As was standard with Sony at that time, it came with a one year warranty.

Almost exactly one month out of warranty, I started having problems. The computer would start, stay on for a very short time (usually less than 5 minutes) and then it would shut off.

Thinking some part may be drawing too much power, I tried disconnection every possible part that could be disconnected. However, this did not solve my problem. I finally succumbed to calling the support department, which of course had no clue and recommended I send my laptop in to be serviced.

I sent my laptop in as they said, and got notification that it had been received at the service department. A week passed, and I had not gotten any indication as to the status. I called support, gave them my ticket number, and asked them what was going on. They had no idea, and nothing had been logged. A couple days later I called again, and got the same result.

At this point, I became rather upset, and demanded they call me back by the end of the next day to tell me what was going on. They were kind enough to call me back, but not smart enough to figure out the problem. They said it would cost me $2200 dollars to have the problem "fixed" which I'm sure at that cost meant sending me a refurb unit.

This was 1 month out of a year long warranty, and I was furious and demanded better service. At this point, I could have gotten a computer that was twice as powerful for the same price they were going to charge me for "repairs." Unfortunately I got nowhere in my requests for fair compensation. In fact, I had to pay $60 dollars to cover services rendered and have my unfunctioning laptop shipped back to me.

$3000 dollars got me use of a laptop for one year and one month. This thing had minor wear as it served mainly as a desktop replacement. After dealing with Sony, and being a loyal customer of their other products, I kindly told them to fuck off. I have never spent another dime on Sony products.

Small Laptops ... (3, Interesting)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7930743)

Small Laptops ...

I've been wanting a really small laptop for sometime now and finding one that looks sexy and has some punch at a reasonable price is not that easy. But when you realise that you can purchase a G4 12in ibook for just over a grand and an 11in G4 powerbook for just over 1.5 grand. This sony laptop starts to look decidedly expensive all for a couple of millimeters here and there.

Aside from the math, Id rather give Apple some of my hard earned dosh , than redmond. I'd bet Yellow Dog Linux would run a beauty on those *book's too. I just need a job... After a while one needs a gadget buying fix, and I've been yearning for the tiny powerbook for too long now!

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