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Colorization of Mars Images?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the technicolor dept.

Space 784

ares2003 writes "There is no scientific reason, why JPL is colorizing Mars in that dull red tint as in their press release images. In the latest panorama image, there is a hint, that they deliberately altered the colors, as the blue and green spots on the color calibration target (the sundial) suddenly converted to bright red and brown. Source of original images: 1, 2 - (for highres replace "br" with "med"). At normal weather conditions, as we have at the moment, there should be a blue sky on Mars and earthlike colors. Furthermore the sky looks overcasted on the pictures as it cannot be considering the sharp shadows on the sundial. If the sky was overcast, then because of diffuse lighting, there would be no shadows. A few years ago, I did an investigation about that very same topic for the Viking and Pathfinder missions."

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Don't forget... (-1)

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Heads up, my good men (-1, Troll)

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Re:Heads up, my good men (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931284)

1.0 Definitions

What is a glory hole?

A glory hole is generally defined as a small fist-sized hole between private video booths in an adult bookstore. It is placed about hip high for the average guy and is just large enough to place a man's penis through to let the person on the other side perform whatever sexual activity he pleases on it.

There are several variations on this theme - you will recognize them when you see them.

Variations

Small holes between toilet stalls on the Interstate highway or in a shopping mall. Toilet areas friendly to this type of activity are often called Tea rooms.

Buddy booths are video booths where a glass partition with dual curtains separates the two booths. There is a button on both sides that first raises and then lowers one (but not the other) curtain. When both buttons are pressed by both people, both curtains rise and you can see each other. Buddy booths were designed to allow people to see but not necessarily touch each other. Some businesses have modified the booths so that the glass doesn't go all the way down to the bottom of the curtain. This allows you to see and feel each other at the same time with the safety of a wall between you.

What is a private video booth in an adult bookstore?

Most (not all) adult bookstores have an area where you can put a token, a dollar bill or a quarter into a slot and have an X-rated video play for about 60 seconds on a TV screen in front of you. These booths are small enough (for example, 3' x 6') for one person to sit down and lock the door behind them. In some areas, these booths no longer have doors on them. Most places frown on having more than one person in a booth. Some however actually encourage it by advertising "couples booths".

OK, what's a "couples booth"?

A couples booth is a booth that is much larger than a normal booth. It may have a larger than normal seat or a bench. More importantly, it is a booth that the establishment will tolerate more than one person being in.

But this adult bookstore only has straight videos, could they also have glory holes or couples booths?

Absolutely! In fact, for bisexual or married guys, this is a great deal! They can go into a place that they can have sex with another guy and not worry about someone see them go in and "blow their cover".

Is there an equivalent place for women?

Not that I know of!

Re:Heads up, my good men (-1, Offtopic)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931340)

boring

Gary Larson Reference (3, Funny)

FractusMan (711004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931124)

Roses are Red Violets are Blue That's what they tell me Because I'm blind.

Check the links, editors (4, Interesting)

shystershep (643874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931133)

For more hard-hitting 'information' from the submitter of this story, visit his website: Alternative Areology and Archeology [mars-news.de] . Browse his conspiracy theories and check out his evidence of cities on Mars, spaceflight in ancient Indian Literature, and learn the secrets of the pyramids!

Way to go, Michael.

Re:Check the links, editors (3, Interesting)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931164)

Well, the truth is that NASA is well known for changing the colors in images. The spectacular images from Hubble are almost always in false (or exaggerated) color, though this is almost never acknowledged.

Re:Check the links, editors (4, Informative)

MooCows (718367) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931217)

Actually, (AFAIK, IANAS, correct me if I'm wrong) the Hubble images are correct, but they're just using pretty colours to represent different kinds of radiation, not just the normal light.

Re:Check the links, editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931344)

Exactly...Next thing you know we'll hear about a conspiracy because the images from night-vision equipped video cameras are all green.

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Informative)

GabeK (701376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931229)

They do that so that different elements of the image can be more easily identified, not to make things prettier. It does make for some very impressive images, but that isn't the point.

Re:Check the links, editors (1)

GnrlFajita (732246) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931249)

Nothing wrong with a little enhancement to increase public appeal, I suppose, but there ought to be a notice or something for those interested in more than a pretty picture.

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Informative)

Royster (16042) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931342)

WHen Hubble uses false color, that fact is *always* noted at the official site. If other people use the images and drop NASA's text, they can't be held responsible.

And, yes, NASA has to color correct just about every image one of their probes or landers takes. It's necessary because of now the images are taken. That ain't no cheap digital camera up there.

Re:Check the links, editors (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931355)

No true--they acknowledge it, but hide the fine print under where it says "false color imaging".

Did you know that Black Helicopters are actually dark green?

Re:Check the links, editors (2, Insightful)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931216)

Just because his other stuff is bogous doesnt explain why this seemingly obvious color-editing is going on.

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Insightful)

Tassach (137772) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931312)

Why shouldn't NASA color-enhance images used for PUBLIC RELATIONS purposes? This isn't the data that scientists are going to use - it's advertising, designed to get them good PR and consequentally, more funding. Joe Sixpack doesn't care about science, but he does like shiny things. Scientists, and anyone else who really needs or wants it, can get the raw data.

Re:Check the links, editors (1)

aenea (34844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931218)

This link was posted on a prevous story. Of course it's all a vast global conspiracy to mask the true color of the martian sky.

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Informative)

aenea (34844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931255)

My keyboard is obviously a part of the conspiracy. Butterscotch martian sky [nasa.gov]

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Funny)

GabeK (701376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931258)

Right on! And, as we all know, the Martian sky is green. This can be explained by the dust left over from all the money that we've crashed or otherwise blown in past missions on Mars.

Re:Check the links, editors (5, Funny)

efuseekay (138418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931304)

There will be a new story on how the government conspire to shutdown the mars-news.de website on the 9th of Jan 2004....

coincidentally after this story was posted.

Don't believe should be a blue sky (2, Interesting)

justanyone (308934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931139)

Shouldn't there be a red sky? All the dust in the atmosphere is heavily red-tinted due to iron content, by my understanding. Am I wrong? Anyone out there a planetary geologist or actually WORK for NASA?

Re:Don't believe should be a blue sky (4, Informative)

mark-t (151149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931220)

With enough dust in the air, yes... Mars would have a red sky.

But the same light refraction phenomenon that gives Earth a blue sky as seen from the ground should give Mars a blue sky as seen from the ground as well. Enough dust in the atmosphere could interfere with that sufficiently to create a red hue, but this should not be the norm in calm weather conditions.

Re:Don't believe should be a blue sky (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931349)

Er, IANAS, but last time I checked, ozone was the reason the earth's sky appears blue. Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere beyond carbon dioxide and some trace elements, so there's no reason it would appear blue from any angle.

You guys have watched Total Recall way too many times.

Re:Don't believe should be a blue sky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931289)

"Blue Sky on Mars? That's a new one" /get your ass to mars

Re:Don't believe should be a blue sky (3, Informative)

Jesrad (716567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931348)

You are wrong. The sky's color comes mainly from the scattering of light, which has to do with the wavelength of light. That's why the sky is blue on virtually every planet.

Check this panoramic photo [nasa.gov] (warning, 4.1 MB). Here's a small example [namu.free.fr] of what it should look like to human eyes, without the stupid NASA red tint. See the rainbow around the sun ? It's because of ice in the upper atmosphere.

Ummm (-1, Troll)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931140)

Did the submitter of this story get a good deal on a case of commas or what?

Carly's Home? (2, Funny)

ChaoticChaos (603248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931143)

I saw a picture of a martian family with placards reading, "Please send our daughter Carly back!"

This explains her recent tech outbursts.

Re:Carly's Home? (0, Offtopic)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931282)

"who the F*CK are the kenutzens?"

No Secret (4, Informative)

eean (177028) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931144)

Its no secret that they doctor the images for press release. They also have the original available. Check out Maestro, it was mentioned on Slashdot a few days ago, its almost the same software JPL uses, and the images in the data set are the original ones.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA???????!!!!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931147)

This is! That is why get american job transffered in India!

I'm a Paki living in India. I am finaly geting job that statisfies me! its good if I get microsoft here. I know windows software why not I get the job? Why cant I have a big house beautiful wife, big bed and why shoudl I not able to call pizzahut and order pizza, get 32" television, DVD, VCR, 5.1? Why American get these? Why not I get these? Why should I go work carwash, why American go not to work at carwash and live single while I enjoy spending quality time with my beautiful wife, eat at burgerking, pizzahut and that??? We are equal person than american we should have all that and american could do what we have done. work for living at carwash for a while.

Re:WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA???????!!!!!!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931187)

Yes! Yes! America is wrong! I fly a plane into their mothers!

Pictures are taken over time!! (5, Informative)

Lispy (136512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931151)

Not sure if this could be the reason but the MER-A pictures aren't taken at a specific time but rather during a whole day.

That means that the colors you see on the sundial don't match all frames of the final picture you get.

NASA therefore alters the colors to match the pictures as closely as possible. Maybe this disturbs the color? Not sure though. What do you think?

Re:Pictures are taken over time!! (4, Interesting)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931307)

I live in an area where there are often dust storms for part of the year.

That makes for a completely different light to that of a day overcast with clouds. generally clouds will completely remove distinct shadows, whereas red dust in the air will give an eerie dull appearance to the light, but keep much of the definition in shadows. Exactly like the mars image shows.

The sky may look "overcasted" but anyone commenting that the cast from a dust storm is anything like that from an overcast cloudy day has rocks in their head. (martian or terran will do either way)

There may be no scientific reason (5, Insightful)

Nevo (690791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931152)

..but releasing these images to the public is a public relations endeavor, not a scientific endeavor.

Do you know Richard Hoagland? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931155)

This is one of his pet theories, along with the fact that the reason for the color change is the hide the Earth-like appearance of Mars so we don't figure out that humans once lived there.

Maybe people are used to a red surface (-1, Redundant)

Moderator (189749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931157)

I mean, seriously, haven't you seen Mission to Mars [rottentomatoes.com] ?

...and we never landed on the moon, too. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931168)

What is this, the tabloid section of slashdot?

THIS IS BS (+1 Informative) (-1, Troll)

KyleW (705403) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931170)

This article is total crap. Who here actually believes they colorized the Mars pictures? Come on let's get some real stories on here.

Obviously doctored (5, Funny)

BillFarber (641417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931176)

The photos clearly have been doctored because they don't match the scenery in "Total Recall".

They're faked, obviously. (3, Funny)

CanSpice (300894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931178)

They're modifying the colours because the spacecraft isn't actually on Mars, it's on Mauna Kea in Hawaii. Or maybe Haleakala, where they did Lunar Rover testing. Either one, they're both pretty good places for faking either Moon or Mars landings.

Re:They're faked, obviously. (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931210)

Oh, where are my points to mod this up when I need them?

Re:They're faked, obviously. (1)

midifarm (666278) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931306)

Ah let the conspiracies commence! There's a section of the island of Lana'i that's called the Garden of the Gods and it looks spookily like i'd expect Mars to. Perhaps it's just another ploy by our governmet to fool us, maybe not. Odds are we'll never really find out. Help my government is infested with self serving power mongers!!!

OK, I admit it. (5, Funny)

shoppa (464619) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931179)

OK, I admit it. I grabbed the mars probe on its way to orbit and put it in my backyard, where I put a bunch of sand and rocks and spray painted everything brown and drab red. Some got onto the lander, my screwup. Neil and Buzz came by and gave me some advice, based on how they faked the moon landing.

My kids had lots of fun with those airbags, BTW.

Re:OK, I admit it. (0)

Box Checker (710832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931350)

"My kids had lots of fun with those airbags" i guess that makes 'em fun bags.

Re:OK, I admit it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931354)

you might as well have... It was just as big of a waste to spend $802 million dollars putting a piece of equipment on a barren wasteland many thousands of miles away.

Go ahead and mod me down. It will just further the proof that the Slashbots can't handle being told that what the collective believes is good might not be.

Colorization is worth it (5, Interesting)

addie (470476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931182)

All of the spectacular Hubble images that have been released over the past few years have been composites of various grayscale images each falsely-colored by whatever elements or wavelengths they represent. The result is a truly spectacular image that is accessible to people who have no interest in what the images actually show, but in just the beauty of the image itself. The exact same thing is true of the Spirit images.

We here on Slashdot rant about NASA budgets, and lack of interest in a manned space program. The only way to increase public interest is by catching their attention. Grayscale images simply are not going to cut it. I see no problem at all in colorizing images if it means more viewers are going to be interested, and therefore want to learn more.

Sure, the purist in me finds it a bit irritating, but as with many things, the pros far outweigh the cons.

Trying to sell Space Waste as LSD trip. (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931283)

Hmm. Leveraging the 2001 imprints in the collective conscience to deliver more Californian Engineer Welfare. What the hoars won't do.

Re:Colorization is worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931288)

So waste the tiny budget you do have on making pictures "pretty" for the general public. Great use of expenses.

Re:Colorization is worth it (1)

Hyperion X (120480) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931334)

Its not quite the same as the Hubble pictures. The Hubble pictures are images captured with scientific instruments that measure wavelengths of light not visible to the human eye. Since the wavelengths are shifted to the visible spectrum, they have already lost most of their real scientific information, and are then mostly just pretty pictures (I'm sure there's still some relative information, but the absolute scale is gone). The Mars pictures were taken with a visible-spectrum camera, and distorting the colors is purely a loss of information for aesthetic or public relations purposes, and is then slightly more deceitful.

just a thought (1)

MonkeysKickAss (735143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931184)

Maybe their camera is just color blind

Buy out. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931185)

You must have missed the news. Ted Turner bought out JPL yesterday.

"ballistic approach to punctuation" (5, Funny)

X_Bones (93097) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931186)

My, God the submitter needs, to learn how to use commas, properly when he writes, something that hundreds of thousands of people will potentially, read...

Re:"ballistic approach to punctuation" (4, Funny)

HardCase (14757) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931231)

When you're paranoid, you don't worry about punctuation...it's just one more tool that they use to get you.


-h-

Re:"ballistic approach to punctuation" (5, Funny)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931233)

"My, God the submitter needs, to learn how to use commas, properly when he writes, something that hundreds of thousands of people will potentially, read..."

HOLY COW!!! William Shatner posts on SLASHDOT!!!

Re:"ballistic approach to punctuation" (1, Insightful)

cetan (61150) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931266)

Or maybe the editor needs to learn how...well how to do anything really.

Yet another moronic story approved by /.'s in-house fuckwad.

I thought it was passed thru the Kirk Filter... (1, Funny)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931292)

a truely, amazing, device!

Re:"ballistic approach to punctuation" (1)

delinx32 (704877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931305)

I reread your first 4 or 5 words like 6 times, and then considered modding you down for crappy punctuation before I got the point of your post)

TSOP TSRIF! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931196)

Sehcib ti kcus!

Ah Ah Eeh!

Re:TSOP TSRIF! (0)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931294)

You forgot a 't'

The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931197)

It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.

Re:The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (1)

l8f57 (652468) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931291)

I hate to reply to the crap, but anyways...

Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950.

ha ha ha ha ha.

Genesis 37:9 - Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."

Last time I checked, the Bible was older than 1950.

Re:The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931330)

Remove tonge from own ass, then post again.

Colourization (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931198)

Hmmm, the pictures look awfully white to me. Almost as if the images weren't being displayed at all...

Oh, wait. That's because they're Slashdotted already.

It's quite simple really (1)

jcrb (187104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931199)

The average person expects Mars to be red, if they don't make it red people will not think its Mars. It's not really that they are 'lying' or anything, its just that the average person is too ignorant for them to want to deal with the hassle of everyone wanting to know why the pictures are not red.

Sure it might be nice to try to explain it to people but they would be drowned by the conspiracy freaks claiming they were pictures of the Arizona desert.

Hey isn't that a highway in the background of the last pic....... :-)

Re:It's quite simple really (4, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931264)

Why the F*** would they care whether or not some conspiracy freaks choose to misinterpret the facts as a coverup?

Catering to it is no better than being an advocate of the conspiracy theories in the first place.

Sorry, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931202)

NO SHIT!

Mars Landing Faked in Studio in Burbank California (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931203)

The studio that faked the moon landing and faked the Mars landing is good, but you can't expect them to get everything perfectly right.

Typical (-1, Troll)

Polymorph2000 (166850) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931204)

Ever since Mars was associated with the name "Red Planet", and given the previous mars rover's images, the general public has come to believe that Mars is predominantly red in color. If they were to suddenly see blue skies (despite lack of ocean) and slightly more favorable conditions, they would think the images were fakes.

Sounds like a NASA coverup or an admission of the author's insanity.

Filters (5, Informative)

paul248 (536459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931207)

The images they took are shot through near-infrared filters, and then digitally adjusted to compensate. The pan-cams each have about 16 different types of filters on a rotating wheel, but this near-infrared filter is the only color that's common to both lenses. Therefore, when they're taking stereo images, that's the best one to use. It's not a conspiracy, and they'll probably release images taken through the other filters eventually.

Re:Filters (1)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931285)

Finally, a GOOD explination

Re:Filters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931345)

Damn, and it was from Texas too???

Contrair Mon Frair ... (1)

sloptaco (709054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931209)

What a lot of people don't get is the apparent contrast between the division and the union. It's all about polarity of interests. Some people enjoy vinegar in the potatoes.

Geez...

If they left the sky blue... (2, Funny)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931212)

...it would be more likely that the public would realize that they're just filming this whole shebang out in the Utah desert.

PR stunt (0, Redundant)

Zeelan (533372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931214)

Everyone knows that Mars is red. So changing the colors on the pictures that they show to the public is probable just a PR stunt... to make it look exotic and exciting... when it really doesn't look at that exotic...

Or... if your like to think big... it is really just eastern Oregon that they are showing and they really spent all money on something else.

Zeelan

Heh. (0, Troll)

Chitlenz (184283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931219)

Maybe this is the problem

http://images.somethingawful.com/inserts/article pi cs/photoshop/01-09-04-space/Bimston.jpg

You guys have it all wrong... (1, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931222)

He's not talking about merely colorization (in this case, redder than it is), but the the fact that the colors of the sundial do not match in the pictures is a bit disturbing. Why don't they match? If it was a uniform coloration, it would be understandable. Or is it perhaps a mistake and that they meant to color the other two colored areas?

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931226)

Did, anyone find, the submission a, little painful to, read? I, did.

In a related story... (1)

w3weasel (656289) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931230)

Ted turner hinted that he may have some high level involvement in America's space endeavours. By showing his spaceworthy editing skills, he hopes to regain the attentions of a girl he only refers to as "Barbarella"

No landing on Mars? Oh well. (1)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931236)

There are still many people out there who think the moon landings never occurred, and were only staged to fool the Russians. (I happen to know one of these people, by the way.)

Following the same theory, in which I don't believe, you would come to the conclusion that the Mars landings never took place, and were staged for some reason or another.

For example, you mean to tell me that since the last space shuttle crash, which was only a year ago, they had time to modify their Mars lander design to include that "In Memoriam" placard that's on there? They would have had to do it almost immediately after the crash because it takes time to get to Mars. A long time.

Hmmmmmm. Maybe there is a conspiracy theory. Nasa should have been good enough to make the color dials stay the same while the rest of the photo is altered... but I guess you can't think of everything.

Why would such a fake be done? To make other countries fear the U.S.'s technology? To jack billions of bucks from the taxpayers and funnel it into all sorts of secret government programs? I don't know.

Re:No landing on Mars? Oh well. (1)

SplendidIsolatn (468434) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931341)

>>For example, you mean to tell me that since the last space shuttle crash, which was only a year ago, they had time to modify their Mars lander design to include that "In Memoriam" placard that's on there? They would have had to do it almost immediately after the crash because it takes time to get to Mars. A long time.

Columbia crashed in early Feb. They launched the Mars Spirit Rover in June. Call me crazy but I think that's enough time to add a metal plate.

Uh, yeah. (4, Funny)

Guano_Jim (157555) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931237)

It's a conspiracy. To make people...

BELIEVE THAT MARS IS RED!

Thanks for alerting us to that potential communist menace, senator.

There is also no scientific reason... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931238)

...for that comma after 'reason.'

Darn Ted Turner! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931241)

First "Gone With The Wind" and now this.

the easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931245)

its the easiest way to make that moon studio look like mars. smooth the dust out, add random smooth stones/rocks all over, turn on the red light.

Faked (0, Redundant)

milsim (739431) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931246)

[insert here: obligatory post on faked moon and mars landings]

It's not strange, they're trying out filters (5, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931251)

as the blue and green spots on the color calibration target (the sundial) suddenly converted to bright red and brown.

The "sudden" change happened as NASA "suddenly" applied another filter for the camera. They do this to better detect certain things in the picture I suppose. They spoke about it on a press conference when they was asked this question.

From Mozilla guru Asa Dotzler's weblog [mozillazine.org] :

Q. Then what we're seeing that's in that Pancam image doesn't correspond to what we'd see if we were standing there?

Jim: we have a pair of red filters that give us stereo. The red you're asking about is the infrared filter which is different from the red humans see. We can convert that red easily. We also have a red filter that matches human sight red but we prefer to use the infrared filter to get matchup with both cameras. Two cameras each have 8 filters. One filter on one eye is a dense welder-like filter to look at the sun. On the left camera is low frequency and the right camera is higher frequencies. Total of 11 unique wavelengths.

The truth is.... (0, Flamebait)

cjjjer (530715) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931252)

The lander actually crashed and NASA does not want to admit to another failure. The pictures are done by some graphic artist who is taking pictures of his sons sandbox and doctoring them up with Photoshop. The rocks are actually cat turds and the rover in the pictures are some beaten up tonka toys.

Mars has become a political agenda (5, Informative)

Eyah....TIMMY (642050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931261)

Unfortunately, it seems the primary motivation for the Mars for the general population is now sensationalism. I'm sure the Slashdot audience how a different view on Mars though.
USA Today has a good article [usatoday.com] about how Mars is shifting from science to politics.
The Washington Post explains better the goals of the current US gov [washingtonpost.com] .

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing because that's usually how space projects get more funding but it might explain why the photos are looking more "nice to the user" than "scientifically realistic".

Knee-jerk /. reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931262)

It's all that imperialist bush's actions... he's the root of all this fake information, and is using it to give money to his friends! Why isn't this obvious to the REST of the world! Everyone hates this, and only those foolish americans watching fox must believe this trash..

Oh, and it's all done by the new Microsoft/SCO software..

Conspiracy Theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931268)

NASA is hiding something.

My guess is that JFK and Bigfoot are alive on Mars and they've got Saddam's WMDs there too.

A Current Affair, Inside Edition, Slashdot. (2, Insightful)

Goner (5704) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931269)

Oh man. I've been reading this site for a while. This story should just be deleted, or at least have the links removed. There is absolutely no need to give this loon publicity while taxing the jpl site for no reason.

To put the conspiracy theories to rest: (5, Interesting)

Delphix (571159) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931271)

They're probably using a blue filter to block Raleigh scattering. We do a lot of image processing, and it's common to use a blue filter in images where you want sharp detail and aren't as concerned about the proper color. Blue light tends to scatter more because of it's low wavelength. If you don't filter it you can end up with just a haze in your image where you'd otherwise have sharp detail in the image.

So put the conspiracy theory to rest.

Mirror (1, Funny)

kevcol (3467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931295)

It's been slashdotted so here's a mirror [txcn.com]

Good site for this sort of thing (2, Informative)

marsvin (84268) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931297)

I don't think this has been addressed on it yet, but a good reference for these sorts of claims is Bad Astronomy [badastronomy.com] .

As Seen Earlier (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931300)

This has been seen in this earlier SlashDot story on the Blue Skies of Mars [slashdot.org] .

The questions are, of course,

  1. if there is a tinted color light source, what would the color target display on a normal color target? What would it show via the camera with the tinted light source
  2. The sun is the same light source on mars as it is on earth, therefore it should be easy enough to take a solar spectrum and see what the degree of tinting is.
  3. With an atmosphere at 1% or less of the earth, the spectrum could nearly be the same spectrum as in a vacuum
  4. if the spectrums are essentially similar, then the color targets should be the same, say as on earth or in vacuum, given a clear day without dust and clouds, etc.
See also this slashdot story on the Mars Sundials [slashdot.org]

Video of Mars on Nasa TV is not red (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7931309)

The video images of Mars surface shown on NASA TV does not look red. Perhap those images were not taken with the rover's color camera.

Some things to think about...From what i heard (1)

ConsoleDeamon (611610) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931315)

They have been changing the color ever since that they had an accident with an camera ( think that whas un viking probe and the miscolored photos it sent back) they now still use same filtering system on all the pictures ewen when it's now proven that is unnecessary.

Bill Nye saves the day (5, Informative)

legoleg (514805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931321)

Read here [nwsource.com]

The sundial from a little while ago helps find tint and all. The pics need calibration.... doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me.

I'm pretty sure mars is red (1)

Unnngh! (731758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931328)

What other color would it be? Green? To my understanding the pictures have been color-enhanced to bring up the contrast a bit, but that's about all. If you look at the Maestro images which have supposedly been untampered, Mars still looks awfully red, sky and all. If I understand from reading such pseudo-scientific works as Red Mars, this is the normal state of the planet and the pictures are pretty representative of reality.

there should be a blue sky on Mars? (0, Redundant)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7931331)

why? what is the martian atmosphere composed of?

Earth's is 79% nitrogen, 20% oxygen, and 1% other gases. and even then givin certain scenarios even earths sky isnt blue

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