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HP Working With Apple To Add WMA Support To iPod

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the wmhammo dept.

HP 840

iPod Afficianado writes to a short piece at Connected Home magazine in which Paul Thurrott "is quoted as saying that HP's blockbuster deal with Apple will have one exciting side effect. The company will be working with Apple to add support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format to the iPod by mid-year."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949068)

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Superior? (4, Funny)

Squareball (523165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949070)

Superior??? WHAT??? WMA??? Oh god! Leave it to Paul.

Re:Superior? (-1, Offtopic)

emo boy (586277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949098)

FRY (Fo Real Yo).

Re:Superior? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949101)

Superior to unencrypted audio (from a record company's point of view).

Re:Superior? (3, Interesting)

Logicdisorder (686635) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949157)

There are some people at HP that need to get off the pipe. Fuck WMA, it is crap, total crap. I thought Apple would have told them to get stuffed. Wishful thinking here - they should get OGG support going on the iPod. That is the main reason I will not get one.

Re:Superior? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949199)

Vorbis, you probably mean, in an Ogg container.

DRM? (4, Insightful)

stefanmi (699755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949071)

WMA is supported on more devices and players than Apple's AAC (w/DRM) and the iPod. BUT WMA support is IRRELEVANT if the Digital Restrictions Management that infests Microsoft products doesn't allow me to play it anywhere else anyway. I once had a free offer to download WMA files from some music service and found that once the files were copied to any other computer, they were useless anyway. Copying to a player which did play WMAs was fruitless as well. So the DRM (remember it's Digital RESTRICTIONS Management) is the overriding limiting factor, and not whether WMA is supported or not. All the other online music services are music RENTAL right? If so, I won't participate regardless of the format. Microsoft's argument is irrelevant until the WMA-supporting music services offer more lenient restrictions. I don't want my music to stop after I stop paying $19/month, I don't wanna have to worry if I bought the correct license to burn to CD for every single track I buy!

FIRST AUTOMATED POST (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949073)

This is a test of the emergency Slashdot posting system. If this were a real post, you would have already been trolled. - TEHGAFFER 23248

Re:FIRST AUTOMATED POST (-1, Offtopic)

m3j00 (606453) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949095)

hahahahahahahhahahaha

Re:FIRST AUTOMATED POST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949178)

i don't get it(cockmaster)

Superior WMA format? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949076)

What'd Microsoft/Compaquard Bell pay for that "editorial" comment?!

~~~

C'mon! Trolling in the submission? (2, Funny)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949077)

Did he really have to call Windows Media "superior"?

Yikes! Prepare for flamage!

The "superior" quote comes from Paul Thurrott... (5, Funny)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949167)

who, as near as I can tell, is some sort of sentient appendage growing on Bill Gates' ass. He has a whole site [winsupersite.com] devoted to his particular brand of hyperactive boosterism.

Superior? (4, Funny)

neonstz (79215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949078)

...support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio...

Superior? That's a new one.

Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949079)

Who are they trying to kid?

hmm nice (-1)

simontek2 (523795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949080)

Will be nice to be dual support. Although I doubt i will be able to afford one.

Superior CRM? (4, Funny)

Esteanil (710082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949081)

"...superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format" ? Superior to *what*, did you say? .wav?

Re:Superior CRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949246)

Actually, WAV is superior to WMA because it has no bullshit DRM attached. Go the WAV, I say!

too easy (4, Funny)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949082)

Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio

....too easy, I pass.

Superior??!! (0)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949090)

Time to stop buying HP stuff as a personal protest.

I also have no immediate plans to buy an iPod. I'll put that money toward an OGG player.

Re:Superior??!! (2, Interesting)

gimpyben (715189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949112)

Actually, this would be my only reason to buy an iPod, just like it was my only reason to buy a RioVolt a few years back.

Why? (1, Redundant)

RedHat_Linux_Man (692702) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949091)

Why don't they just stick with mp3? From my understanding it is a far better format and has better compression (?correct me if im wrong on that). If this is the case, you will just have less songs with a crappier format that no one uses on your iPod.

DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949143)

see subject.

Re:Why? (1)

kelnos (564113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949163)

iirc, the latest wma codecs have compression comparable to vorbis... if not comparable, then i do remember it's definitely better than mp3 (tho perhaps it's not so hot at low bitrates).

Superior?! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949093)

If WMA is superior, I'll shove a shoe up Bill Gate's ass. Similar to how WMA is shoved down the throats of the consumer.

stupid formats (4, Insightful)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949094)

first of all - superior to what?

secondly: I've had it with the codec wars. Let's let the big music/hardware/software companies keep duking it out and pissing away their resources fighting over mp3/aac/wma. Personally I'm re-ripping all my CDs once and for all to FLAC. If a better lossless codec comes along later, all I have to do is batch process them all and save some space. No worries about finding a new original to avoid lossy reencoding.

As far as my ears can tell, there is no appreciable difference between ANY of the lossy codecs about 192kbps. But they all seem to come with DRM these days, and that's just anacceptable.

Re: Not all with DRM (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949154)


I don't know about WMA, but AAC is certainly not a format that requires DRM. I can encode files with iTunes to AAC and share them with others, no problems.

AFAIK, AAC is a completely open format. (enough acronyms?)

For now, most of my files are still in LAME-encoded MP3s, though you have a point about FLAC. The problem is that I don't have a portable player that takes FLAC...

Re: Not all with DRM (1, Informative)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949217)

Young grasshopper, you fail to see the point of AAC. There is nothing "open" about it. Just because it's part of an MPEG spec does not make it "open", and it's most certainly NOT FREE [vialicensing.com] .

Consider this: who's seriously supporting AAC right now besides Apple? (crickets chirping). That's right - Apple probably has a special deal with Dolby which allows Apple, and only Apple, to distribute free software (itunes) incorporating the AAC codec.

You know what that is?

PLATFORM LOCK-IN.

Same goes for WMA, Real, etc. The big guys get behind a format and then they get to keep everyone else out unless they pony up.

Say no to proprietary formats. Say no to DRM. It's your music.

Re: Not all with DRM (1)

arubis (68392) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949223)

Get one. :)

The Rio Karma has FLAC support and 20 gigs of space to play with. List price is $350, I got one for $270 at J&R Music World.

Did I mention it costs less than an iPod and (if you care) has WMA support?

Re:stupid formats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949240)

FLAC is a format like any other; choosing a lossless codec does not make you above the codec wars any more than a person using MP3.

Re:stupid formats (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949247)

just to inform you, MP3 is not in competition with AAC since AAC is MP3s successor.

Apple is a sellout! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949096)

*cough* sellout *cough*

Superior... (4, Funny)

jmv (93421) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949099)

Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio

Will it also run on Microsoft's superior operating system so it can benefit from superior crashes and viruses?

Re:Superior... (1)

Randy Wang (700248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949120)

That depends on whether the infinitely inferior hardware will support it.

the subject (0, Redundant)

miketheninja (684223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949100)

its more like Windows Mediocre Audio (WMA)

What's up with that Fiorina bitch? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949103)

Is she a lesbo? Why don't some of youse niggaz probe her with a toilet plunger.

She needs the taste of jizz on here lips.

Lack of WMA support is a FEATURE! (1)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949105)

I will resist WMA to the end. I don't have, and don't want the ability to play it.

Superior? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949106)

Paul Thurrott obviously doesn't have any ears if he believes WMA is superior to mp3 at bitrates people would be prepared to "purchase". That aside from the obvious restrictions wma "offers the consumer".

Re:Superior? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949164)

It is not mp3 that it is suppose to be superior to; it is aac.

Yeah, right.

superior (2, Flamebait)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949110)

I can see a lot of people complaining about "superior" in the article. Rest assured he meant it to mean larger, as in bloated. We're all agreed to Ogg Vorbis is awesome and M$ sucks, so let's just get back to discussing what a waste of time this is and how much Apple should be opening the code bade to allow for Ogg playback.

The iPod's processor isn't fast enough to play Ogg. It can't even play MP3's in floating point mode without the external decoder chip. Anyone have info on how they implemented AAC?

Re:superior (4, Informative)

Darren Winsper (136155) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949191)

I've already mentioned this several times before, but when Linux was first put on the iPod, they had an early version of Tremor (An integer-only Vorbis decoder) running at 80% realtime. Seeing as there have been numerous processor and memory optimisations in that time, not to mention ports to other embedded platforms which don't have as powerful processors as the iPod, I'd say the iPod could play back Vorbis.

ogg playback in iTunes (5, Interesting)

rtm1 (560452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949215)

Apple should be opening the code base to allow for Ogg playback

Someone at Apple is planning on iTunes someday supporting ogg playback. They've even got an iTunes-ogg icon all ready for when the day arrives. Go digging around in the iTunes package (at least on OS X) and look in Contents/Resources. They've got a bunch of icons there that they use for mp3, aac, wav, etc files there. Included are icons for wma and ogg. Why would they bother creating ogg and wma icons for iTunes if they didn't plan to eventually use them?

Superior? (1)

obiedxss (241764) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949111)

Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio

So a closed source, proprietary format that defaults to a lower bitrate is superior?

that was just flamebait, but seriously, that's quite claim. i certainly think that AAC is superior, it just doesn't have as much industry support.

it is! (0)

pooman (735781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949114)

What it is! Well...er..
It's about the same as mp3 really.
There isn't that much of a difference.

Here comes the VORBIS! (-1, Redundant)

molafson (716807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949115)

OGG VORBIS rants in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Re:Here comes the VORBIS! (4, Funny)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949174)

You're 5... 4... 3... 2... Late...

FP was ages ago.

Not sure. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949117)

I'm not sure, but it looks like the article says WMA is superior.

Correct me if I misread it, though. Nobody in the comments seems to have anything to say on it.

- foad

Re:Not sure. (3, Funny)

r00zky (622648) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949225)

Since it doesn't mentions what it is superior to, i'll concede the benefit of doubt in case it was being compared with the internal pc-speaker.

Steve, how could you?! (5, Interesting)

ghettoboy22 (723339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949124)

I'd like to see this WMA news confirmed by a few more sources - until then I'll definatly be taking this with a grain of salt. If true however, I guess the only thing I could say is I sure hope Jobs knows what's he's doing. If he goes and supports WMA, it wouldn't be too unreasonable to think the RIAA would want the iTMS to switch to the more restrictive WMA DRM, rather than the AAC I currently favor. If the iPod is going to support WMA, it would have to support the more-restrictive DRM as well.

From a pure "bottom-line" viewpoint, it would mean a big boost to iPod sales, as those people who's entire library is WMA, or even people who use "other" online music services can now enjoy the beauty that is iPod. While not a bad thing, it's still diluting the iPod brand IMHO.

I think I'd rather see the iPod stay AAC only.

Re:Steve, how could you?! (5, Interesting)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949252)

I don't believe for one moment that he did. The only source is Paul Thurrott on winnetmag.com. He is a anti-Apple, pro-Microsoft commentator who's shown zero respect for the truth in the past. Indeed the "superior" reference rather gives that away doesn't it. Actually, did I say commentator? I meant troll.

But (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949125)

does it support ogg vorbis?

here it comes... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949127)

I, for one, welcome our newly superior WMA overlords.

Re:here it comes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949220)

I, for one, welcome you to shut the fuck up.

Unfortunate (1, Insightful)

Esteanil (710082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949128)

Unfortunately, however, this is a *serious* boost to the .wma format's commercial success.
The task of informing the public of the dangers of CRM becomes more important...
The only way we can stop it is by making it unpopular, even hated, amongst enough people to make a serious dent in profits for CRM systems, thereby forcing their hand back into open systems.

iTunes, QT and WMA? (3, Insightful)

Saxton (34078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949129)

I don't think this is far fetched: WMA on iPods. If there's WMA on iPods, then there's WMA in iTunes. If there's WMA in iTunes, then there's WMA in QuickTime.

Maybe HP will go off on their own branch... but maybe not... just a thought.

-Aaron

Don't Worry...I'm Asking For It (5, Informative)

Jim_Hawkins (649847) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949133)

Okay. Yes. I realize the guy said that WMA is suprerior. Now, I do have to say that I have recently been playing around with WMA files a bit.

1.) 64-bit WMAs do have a little less quality than 128-bit encodings of MP3's. However, because 64 is half the encoding of 128, this is only to be expected. However, unless you're specifically listening to it, you may never notice it.

2.) The WMAs are smaller in file size (even at the same bit encoding). This is nice. Especially if you plan to put the songs on some sort of MP3 player with limited memory.

3.) Yeah. The DRM thing sucks. I totally agree. This is why I chose not to go with WMAs in the end. (I was considiring converting my MP3s over.)

WMAs are not all bad. In fact, they do even have good qualities. But, the DRM overrides any benefit that they may have.

Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (3, Insightful)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949134)

Yes, I'm sure I will get plenty of replies stating that Vorbis support doesn't matter. Well, sucks for Apple: they're not getting my $400 because they don't support Ogg Vorbis, the format in which my 1,200 CD's/14,000 tracks are all encoded in. But these are the choices one must make, and they've made the calculation that they can do without Vorbis users' money. Time will tell whether this is a good calculation or not.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949175)

But these are the choices one must make, and they've made the calculation that they can do without Vorbis users' money. Time will tell whether this is a good calculation or not.

Time has already shown it to have been a good calculation on Apple's part to ignore Ogg. The bad decision was on your part to have wasted all that time ripping 1200 CDs (wink, wink) to such an obscure format. Get over it.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949241)

But then they wont get his $400. How will they remain profitable if they ignore all 12 Oggle Vorbis users?

Same here, but it's more than that (0)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949219)

It's ridiculous that they would go and have the compulsory meetings, deals, business trips, and so forth to secure the rights for a crooked, proprietary format that barely has any advantages over MP3s. That, plus trying to hack Microsoft's famously esoteric code into an iPod will take a team of software engineers quite awhile.

OGGV has free libraries for both floating-point AND now integer decoding with Tremor. OGGV doesn't require any deal making, as it's not just allowed, but WELCOMED to be used without permission in any software or hardware whatsoever. The way it's written, it would probably only take a few days for a talented coder to get it running.

At the CES expo, Fiorina expressed support for DRM handled by Microsoft. It's obvious OGG Vorbis is considered a threat, so they're giving it the cold shoulder.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (5, Funny)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949243)

Well, sucks for Apple: they're not getting my $400 because they don't support Ogg Vorbis, the format in which my 1,200 CD's/14,000 tracks are all encoded in.
Well, sucks for Apple: they're not getting my $400 because they don't support Vinyl, the format in which my 1,200 LP's/14,000 tracks are all pressed in.

Somehow, I don't think Apple will miss the money.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (1)

B1LL_GAT3Z (253695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949244)

"Time will tell whether this is a good calculation or not."

To the company or to you? The people who have their entire media collection encoded in OGG is a severe minority, you may be waiting quite some time before your 'ideal' ogg player comes out.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (5, Insightful)

matastas (547484) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949249)

So, I gotta ask: how many people outside the open-source/Slashdot community are really aware of Ogg? A dozen? Twenty, maybe?

Look, my parents can barely program the VCR, much less decide between audio codecs, and they're typically technologies buyers. They may not get the hardcore geek sale, but they'll get The Masses, and that's where the money is. DRM will give them a backlash, yes, but the codec wars are not fought in the Best Buy crowd. They're fought here. And frankly, we're about the only ones who give a damn.

Give The Masses something that's portable, sounds like a CD, and is flexible, and they'll buy it. Argue with them over open source vs. licensed and bitrates and OHMYGODMYHEADEXPLODED.

You get the picture.

Re:Without Vorbis, it is useless to *me* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949254)

When you wrote to Apple to express this concern, what did they say? You have written to them, right? They have a feedback page where you can send your complaint directly. I can't imagine you'd come here to commisserate with others on Slashdot about something you hadn't even yet bothered to express to the company in question. That would be childish and hugely ineffectual, huh?

Your opinion matters, but I've got a nickel in my pocket that says Steve Jobs ain't sittin' around reading Slashdot to get a sense of what he needs to do next.

Nice Ad next to the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949135)

You don't think the napster Ad next to the article had anything to do with them calling the WMA codec superior, did it?

In other news... (5, Funny)

boatboy (549643) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949136)

...Sony also announced today that it's newest CD player will support the superior 8-track and Vinyl formats. In addition, plans are underway to scrap the existing DVD line of products for the ultra-lo definition VHS format.

Ogg Vorbis (1)

Junyor22 (703784) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949138)

Its unfortunate that they don't adopt support for DRM free formats. Ogg Vorbis comes to mind.

Re:Ogg Vorbis (5, Interesting)

kelnos (564113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949248)

ogg vorbis is not (or rather need not) be DRM free. the ogg container format can certainly accomodate it, it's just that no one has actually implemented a DRM scheme for ogg. that's a common misconception - ogg is a container format - you can put video, audio, whatever in it (altho the original designers only wanted ogg to hold xvid video and vorbis audio, that's changed), any codec. the container format itself is extensible, and DRM can be built into it.

Superior??? I am reminded (0, Offtopic)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949140)

of Star Trek TNG in the episode where an admiral who has been taken over by an alien says to riker
"It is a superior form of life".

You know, I love Trek just as much as the next guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949165)

But, how did this get modded up? Good lord, mod down...

Apple, HP, and the FTC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949141)

In case you haven't noticed, Apple and now HP are more or less going to be dominating the online music industry, and someone else has also apparently noticed, the Federal Trade Comission. The FTC is launching an investigation [ftc.gov] into possible antitrust violations by Apple, and now is looking into HPs dealings with them as well. And the funny thing? It stems from the whole iPod battery fiasco.

DON'T CLICK ON THE URL! SPOOFED GAY PORNO URL!! (0)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949197)

And shame shame on whoever modded this up.

Re:Apple, HP, and the FTC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949202)

The above poster is a troll.

PARENT IS A GOATSE LINK (0, Offtopic)

CoolQ (31072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949205)

'nuff said.

Re:Apple, HP, and the FTC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949207)

Goatse link...you've been warned.

TROLL ALERT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949221)

nice external link jerk, you just got yourself added to RBL

First non "WTF?! SUPERIOR?!" post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949142)

um... yeah, so I'm not going to make a big deal out of the in-article troll, but only in an attempt to be original. Did it work? :)

Astroturf? (1, Flamebait)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949147)

Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio? Who wrote this? It sounds like something a marketer would say. I would say that /. is being astroturfed. It is up to the reader to decide if /. is being duped or if they are going along willingly.

What about Ogg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949149)

Ogg is way better than WMA. Maybe Bruce Perens could ask some of his friends at HP to add Ogg support. It's worth a try.

Re:What about Ogg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949171)

Maybe Bruce Perens could ask some of his friends at HP to add Ogg support

Bruce Perens was fired from HP a long time ago. I doubt he has many friends left there at all.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Ogg Vorbis yet? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949153)

Ogg Vorbis!

So, what is the point exactly? (4, Interesting)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949158)

So does that mean iTunes will support WMA? I doubt it. Does it mean the iPod or iTunes will be able to play the particular flavor of DRM used in online music stores using WMA? I rather doubt that too. So what exactly does this get anyone?

And who would want to use WMA in iTunes or on your iPod, unless you were at least going to be able to play a competitor music store's goods.

And why on earth would Apple agree to opening up the iTunes/iPod combo to someone elses store?

Re:So, what is the point exactly? (1)

Esteanil (710082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949181)

The Itunes service is mostly there to draw up iPod sales. AAC is probably for pride.

1G iPods? (1)

generationxyu (630468) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949160)

...I assume there's no support for us lowly 5gb scum.

Superior to What? (1, Insightful)

Flownez (589611) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949161)

WMA = Wipe My Ass.

This doesn't make sense for Apple (5, Interesting)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949169)

They promote an alternative to WMA in the AAC format, and it seems that incorporating WMA support into the iPod would only hurt iTunes Music Store, since many of its competitors sell WMA files.

I wonder if WMA will be available only on HP's version of the iPod, and if so, will HP's device support the Macintosh?

Don't worry... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949170)

"You heard it here first" sounds a lot like a guess to me.

I don't think it will happen.

I heard about this format called 'Ogg Vorbis', (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949172)

it's supposed to be DRM free and all that. Probably good for Linux.

This stinks! (1)

ljavelin (41345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949184)

WHY would I want TWO digital restriction management file types to deal with?

This is a bad move.

I don't give a damn about what restriction software other players that I don't own support. I'm not going to use crappy music services anyhow. If they want to sell to me, sell me in the restriction format that my player supports. AAC. If you want to support WMA too, great. Go for it. I don't care.

Now, if you want me to CARE, then support MP3 and OGG!

Hey, (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949186)

I heard of this new audio codec called Ogg Vorbis. Is there any more information about it? I'm suprised no one has mentioned it in this thread yet.

Knowing Steve (1)

KrazyFool (534528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949189)

Not that I ever met the guy... My guess is wma will be made into aac files. That would give "support" for wma without losing his... precious.

boo hoo it has DRM (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949195)

Nobody's telling you to listen to a .wma file with DRM activated. It's quite possible to have a collection of wma files with no restrictions whatsoever.

WMA is NOT superior M4A =J (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949196)

WMA "superior" to MPEG4Audio.. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.. oh, that's a good one.. pfft. WMA is far from superior to m4a, as many experiments have shown.

Oh boy (1)

jsrlepage (696948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949198)

Live flamebait and /.ing...

will those MS freaks ever learn?


On a side note, have the vorbis fanbase tried to hack the iPod firmware to manually add OGG support? Efforts are undergoing for ext2/3 conversion, i think... And why not make an iPod client? I'm just sick of having to emulate EphPOD (www.ephpod.com) under wine for my Musical needs. @+

Hello stuperior creatures (3, Funny)

inkswamp (233692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949203)

I thought laying flamebait in the article summaries died with the end of the "but they ruin it all by having a one button mouse" type posts. Anyway, I'm too tired to make a logical argument against it (and many others have done already) so I'll just fall back on an oldie but a goodie from Usenet. Come along kids... it'll be a trip down memory lane.

Drum roll, please...

The company will be working with Apple to add support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio

You misspelled "crappy."

Ba-dum bum!

(Raucous laughter)

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much. I'm here 'til Thursday.

Bricktop put it best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7949224)

The company will be working with Apple to add support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format to the iPod by mid-year. You heard it here first.
Get your tongue out of my ass! You're not a dog, are ya?
Bricktop from Snatch

Phone me UP right now ! (-1, Offtopic)

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Now's your chance! (1)

955301 (209856) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949236)

So did everyone notice the comments section at the bottom of the article? Well here was mine:

Shame on you! You had a somewhat noteworthy piece of information to pass out. What do you do? You insert what is so obviously your lack of understanding of codecs and specificity to differentiate yourself from an automated teletype.

If you're going to interject your thoughts on one codec versus another, couldn't you at least back it up? Superior how? Clarity? Losslessness? Compression? Or is this just more ambiguous hype to push the DRM "solution". Because we're all thinking the latter, and about replacing you with that teletype.

Lame ending Pal.


Now you try it!

Thurrott Makes Slashdotters Look Neutral/WMA? (2, Insightful)

Wanderer1 (47145) | more than 10 years ago | (#7949245)

In my opinion, Thurrott does nothing to hide his bias against all that is not Microsoft-made. He makes Slashdotters and Mac users look moderate. So view his article with the necessary skepticism of Microsoft propaganda. But hey, we're all entitled to our opinions - I just wish Paul's magazine was entitled "Connected Home Opinion" instead. Perhaps he should go to work for the mainstream media. Whether WMA is superior to AAC or not, it wasn't appropriate wording.

As far as the addition of WMA to the iPod - understand that Apple has a vested interest in selling iPods, not supporting AAC vs. WMA. With all that talk from a few months back about how iTunes makes Apple no money - those interested in Apple's success should be pleased that the iPod can enjoy a wider audience of music stores. As for myself, I agree that having a DRM-Free file format in the iPod other than MP3 is a win for all.

Why isn't OGG there? What costs would be involved in it's development?

Paul, please stop writing technical articles and stick to editorials.

Bill
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