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Microsoft Unhappy With HP's iTunes Decision

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the limiting-choices-incorporated dept.

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rbrandis writes "The general manager of Microsoft's Windows digital media division David Fester has suggested that iTunes' emerging dominance would be bad for consumers, because it would limit them to the iPod, as opposed to limiting them to Microsoft based products. In a moment of what must have been an attempt at ironic humor he said, 'Windows is about choice - you can mix and match software and music player stuff. We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services.'"

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choice (0, Troll)

Kevin_Cedrone (415009) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958920)

And in this instance, I believe Microsoft is right.

I would pay for the mp3s I had if I wasn't required to have an iPod.

Re:choice (5, Funny)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958967)

Wait.. what? I would fill up the gas in my car if my sister wasn't a lesbian.

Re:choice (1)

Paleomacus (666999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959093)

Apt and hilarious! Bravo!

Re:choice (5, Informative)

cultobill (72845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958980)

What?

iTunes doesn't require you to have an iPod. It works fine on your computer. And it's the only solution that allows you to take the files you buy from it, unprotect them, and turn them into whatever format you want.

I know, you'll call me an Apple apologist. Whatever. I guess I could call you a Microsoft apologist and it would make as much sense.

Re:choice (2, Insightful)

Kevin_Cedrone (415009) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959045)

I'm sorry.

I was under the mistaken impression that iTunes only worked with iPods as far as mobility went... Live'n'learn I s'pose.

Re:choice (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959008)

This mod needs to lose his mod ability. You can't use a deep hatred of an OS to say someone is a troll for believing the story.

Re:Why is this considered a troll? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959055)

It is only because the author sided with Microsoft? Its a perfectly valid point. What part of his message is considered troll material?

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958921)

FP!

Teh ironing is delicious (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958922)

Yum

i do have a choice (4, Insightful)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958923)

and i choose to not use your "enabling" products

Re:i do have a choice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958998)

I have a choice not to use "Apple" based Homo-enabling products.

Itunes maybe easy to use, but Straight men know that it will turn you queer.

Re:i do have a choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959031)

you still hava a choice not to use them, but that doesn't make you any less gay

Re:i do have a choice (5, Funny)

Cornelius the Great (555189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959023)

"We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services."

Does anyone else cringe when you see/hear the words "choice" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence?

Bad for consumers? (5, Insightful)

DrLudicrous (607375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958924)

I think what he really meant is that is would be bad for Microsoft.

Re:Bad for consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959017)

Does it make you feel good knowing that you make baby Jesus cry. Beiotch!

Microsoft Reverses Decision to Stop Support! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959018)

Re:Bad for consumers? (5, Funny)

glenebob (414078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959046)

You must be new... that's what it has ALWAYS meant.

#1!! (-1, Offtopic)

rabbits77 (453747) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958925)

fp for the rabbits!!

suck it trebek (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958926)

first non-trollkore non-gnaa non-clit post

First post on behalf of... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958927)

non-communist, non-negro, jews who are in favor of clitoral stimulation but opposed to posting logged in but also opposed to Ali. Hope that makes sense.

M$ not happy (-1, Redundant)

fmlug.org (695374) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958931)

Some how they are going to try and blame Linux for this.

NEWS FLASH! (5, Interesting)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958932)

Microsoft not happy that people take advantage of their own non-Microsoft monopolies!

Why don't they sue Apple ? Hell, iTunes is bundled with OS X! Because they'll bundle a music store with media player soon enough... and try to kill iTunes completely.

Re:NEWS FLASH! (1)

Cat_Byte (621676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959044)

I don't think so. Remember pdf's when they first came out? Apple only. You can now download Windows compatible viewers and it gives the end-user freedom of choice on all aspects. Thats what I understood it to mean anyway. Just like mp3's can be played on all operating systems.

choice? (4, Funny)

stefanmi (699755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958936)

ROFL! Talk about naked FUD. Choice, choice, choice. Yeah, that's the Microsoft Way, isn't it? NOT. What hypocrisy!

What would Michael Crichton say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958939)

I think he'd use a digital media device in his next novel. Perhaps the character (who would be similar to Ian Malcolm, who is similar to Mr. Crichton himself) would store his statistics on one of these devices and predict the downfall of the amusement park--the robots go haywire and eat the visitors. Then a strange alien "virus" kills the survivors.

Re:What would Michael Crichton say? (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959016)

Then a strange alien "virus" kills the survivors.

Except it will mutate into a harmless strain just before the hero dies! I generally like Crichton, but God I hate that book.

Don't bullshit please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958940)

Today I predicted that there would be a news on Slashdot something like "Microsoft is not happy with this HP-Apple deal", and I wasn't wrong. Thank you guys for making this up.

Easier to let it be (2, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959100)

Why would we make up stories about corporate stupidity. Honestly, many of them are so contradictory and say such stupid things that they make themselves look far dumber than we ever could.

I particularly like the Microsoft=Choice part... which is only true to the extent that it is "Choose, but only from the selection we give you."

....just out of curiosity (3, Interesting)

flynns (639641) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958944)

If HP/Apple can get iPods to chat with HP Windows boxen, can we get them to talk to Linux as well? Has this already been done?

Re:....just out of curiosity (5, Informative)

acaird (530225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959013)

Don't iPods already work with Windows? :) I don't think they are that picky about which hardware is running the OS. So, I'm sure they do work with "HP Windows boxen" (when did that become plural for boxes?). In addition, there are several ways to get iPods to interoperate with Linux [google.com] .

Re:....just out of curiosity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959034)

""Don't iPods already work with Windows?"" Yes.

Re:....just out of curiosity (4, Funny)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959074)

"HP Windows boxen" (when did that become plural for boxes?)

About the same time "moosen" became the plural of moose (as in "I see a flock of moosen").

(props to Brian Regan)

Re:....just out of curiosity (2, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959037)

"If HP/Apple can get iPods to chat with HP Windows boxen..."

I'm sure someone out there with an HP system running Windows has an iPod running iTunes for Windows. So there is no "if," because it's already happening. All the iPod is is a portable firewire drive...so as long as your distro supports firewire, you can use it.

The *real* question how soon will it take for some enterprising individual to be able to play the songs they bought on iTunes Music Store under Linux?

Re:....just out of curiosity (2, Informative)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959048)

My God... YES. The Windows version of the iPod has been out for ages. Since the first generation, in fact. It used to work with MusicMatch, now it runs on iTunes for Windows. There are even a few Linux tools [gnu.org] to work it already. Hell, it can even RUN Linux [sourceforge.net] if you want.

Somebody has to say it... (4, Insightful)

blurfus (606535) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958946)

Windows is about choice
Tell me Mr. Smith, what good is to have choices if they don't work?

Apple's iTunes just works... it's that simple.

Somebody has to say this too... (5, Funny)

jigyasubalak (308473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959090)

You can have any color as long as it is black!
- Henry Ford

People may hate Windows Media Player... (5, Informative)

rborek (563153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958948)

As bad as people may hate Microsoft or Media Player, it does support multiple players and platforms - not just the iPod. A list is available at http://windowsmedia.com/9series/Personalization/Co olDevices.asp [windowsmedia.com] .

Re:People may hate Windows Media Player... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959027)

Have you ever tried MS Media player on the Apple? It pretty much sucks.

Re:People may hate Windows Media Player... (3, Informative)

gblues (90260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959088)

That's funny, because iTunes also supports multiple players and platforms.

And iTunes beats the shit out of Windows Media Player when it comes to content organization.

Nathan

Re:People may hate Windows Media Player... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959089)

If other companies built players for Apple then OS X would support them too however no one does. Its not apples fault its the companies like roxio sony and others who choose to not make OS X products.

Re:People may hate Windows Media Player... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959094)

Good point. However, I would be inclined to believe that all the devices on that list support and license WMA, which directly supports Microsoft's attempt to dominate the audio playback formats.

Terribly, terribly grateful (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958952)

I am ever so grateful that once again Microsoft is looking after my best interests. We can all sleep well.

What confuses me is Dell's response.... (5, Insightful)

TheWart (700842) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958953)

Dell says this:

"According to the New York Times, Dell also suggests HP is making a mistake. A Dell spokesman said: "We expect competition and it's good for customers. Over time, however, customers will want industry standard choices.''"

I am no English expert, but it sure sounds like they are tryin to say that WMA should be the only game in town, and are at the same time trying to play it off that they 'want' competition.

Re:What confuses me is Dell's response.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959035)

"Industry standard choices" means WMA, WMV, MPEG-2, MPEG-4.

Non-industry standards are Vorbis, FLAC, among others.

Container classes like Ogg, QuickTime, and the like are not really applicable here.

Microsoft is saying that they want to keep the data as close to the user as possible and let the software/hardware mix worry about the formats. They don't want to see something like QuickTime or Ogg become a necessary component in these devices just so you can listen to your music.

Microsoft is right on this one. It doesn't happen often, but at least acknowledge the blue moon when you see it.

payback? (1)

truesaer (135079) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958954)

Well, I guess this story submission's bias offsets the "superior WMA format" bias of that earlier story. Heh. Leave it to slashdot editors to pick the dumbest sounding submissions when posting a story!

David Fester? (1, Funny)

R33MSpec (631206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958956)

Shave the hair off [bbcworld.com] and you'd swear it was Uncle Fester!

LOL, couple of great quotes (1)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958958)

He told journalists at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas: "Windows is about choice

General manager ... Uncle Fester has suggested that Windows emerging dominance would be bad for consumers, because it would limit them to the Windows.

What? (1)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958963)

'Windows is about choice - you can mix and match software and music player stuff. We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services.'

That was the sound of the mack truck hitting the customer wearing the antlers staring into the mezmorizing headlights.

What happened to DRM, and what happened to windows media player being everything you ever needed, and what happened to integrated music purchasing, and what happened to....

What happened to consistancy? My understanding of the world has been shattered. //need a tissue.

~Wx

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HP kills DRM (yay Carly) (4, Funny)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958966)

It has always been questionable as to whether they would get DRM to work in the first place. Now along comes HP, trying to make what are essentially incompatible DRM systems work together, and still protect content. The closest analogy I can think of is trying to have make a marriage work with two spouses at the same time.

Anybody who has installed any kind of media player on Windows knows what I'm talking about... it's almost impossible to assign specific file types to Window's Media Player, QuickTime, RealPlayer, Winamp, etc., without all of these applications trying to steal the right to handle these file types out from one another. Now the same thing is going to happen, but with DRM in the mix?

It's going to be a zoo. Nobody is going to stand still for this, especially when people start losing the right to access content they've already payed for.

And just wait till this shit starts happening to everybody's porn collection. People will be running amok in the streets.

Wrong. (5, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959036)

This is the same 'No American has a God given right to a job' Carly that said that EVERY HP product coming out after Q2 2004 will have DRM built in. Hell, she even wants to make recording like a VCR on your HP impossible unless the copyright holder agrees.

She is no ones friend save for herself and her fellow exec. She thinks nothing of the employers/users/shareholder of HP.

RE: Choice!!!@??@ (1)

fshalor (133678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958968)

So what's the *choice* in not being able to choose my freakin os? Huh? Lets let this guy answer that. And I CAN use something other than iTunes for iPod's... I use mpg123 and play scripts. (I'm just gui defecient.)

Ah well. And didn't apple just announce that the're going to supprot wma on there iPoden?

Re: Choice!!!@??@ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959007)

Actually, you can. You can buy systems with Linux now. You can build one without an OS yourself. The only system that truly forces you to buy an OS is Mac.

Re: Choice!!!@??@ (1)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959080)

The only system that truly forces you to buy an OS is Mac.
You forgot Sun, SGI, and pretty much any company that sells ready-to-use PCs or workstations that has stayed in business for more than a few years. What was your point again?

In similar news (1)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958969)

Microsoft, advocates of free choice, will let users decide how they wish to be hacked or infected in their new OS - crappy coding and bad firewalls, or preloading Outlook Express again.

Heh, Fester (2, Insightful)

thelexx (237096) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958970)

Actually makes it sound pretty reasonable if you just imagine that it's Uncle Fester [toyadz.com] saying it.

Bad for choice? (1)

nizcolas (597301) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958975)

How is this bad for choice? Yes there is only one music player that can play Apple's Music Store files, but everyone has the CHOICE not to buy from the Apple Music Store. There are many music players that support the WMA format, most at a lower price point.

Re:Bad for choice? (1)

Mr Pippin (659094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959083)

Ummm, so you mean Apple WON'T license their DRM to other players? I somehow doubt that.

Choice? (3, Insightful)

I_am_Rambi (536614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958976)

Windows is about choice...


Theres a catch 22 here, you have to use windows to have... ummmmm..... m$ make your choice for you.

Isn't he right? (0, Redundant)

m00nun1t (588082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958979)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only listen to iTunes content on an iPod.

You can listen to WMA file on any of the huge number of devices that support WMA, purhcased from any of the several shops that sell WMA files.

So, isn't he right?

Re:Isn't he right? (2)

VeloDrax (684329) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958989)

As long as those devices support WMA. Pot calling the kettle black.

Re:Isn't he right? (4, Insightful)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959057)

correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only listen to iTunes content on an iPod.
You're only one 'Burn' button away from a DRM free CD you can play anywhere. (which is a good idea from a backup standpoint)

Re:Isn't he right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959077)

Just about any .mp3 player can be connected to, and recognized by, iTunes. I used an obsolete Rio player with it all the time before I grabbed an iPod. iTunes always shuffled .mp3s back and forth over the USB 1.1 connection without any trouble.

Having said that, I don't believe I can think of any players besides the iPod that can handle AAC files, the format in which purchased music from the iTunes store arrives.

So...
iTunes == any player
iTunes music store != any player
iTunes music store == iPod

Isn't that true?

Re:Isn't he right? (4, Informative)

Kevinv (21462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959095)

Not compeletely. You can only listen to iTunes Music Store protected AAC files on iPods, Windows computers and Macintosh computers.

iTunes itself allows you to create unprotected MP3 and unprotected AAC from your own music collection and do whatever you want with them.

I do not believe Microsoft's Windows Media Player for the Mac allows listening to protected WMA files, so in that regard the WMA format is more locked in than AAC (currently).

Also if you look at Buy.com's music store you'll see that instead of Apple's flat and mild DRM policy (same policy all songs), music company's can restrict you to how often you can copy music to your player and how many times you can play a song and if you can burn it to CD (the ability to do this may be in AAC files, i'm not sure, but it has not been enabled)

so no, currently the itunes is not as restrictive as Windows Media Player, but the protected AAC's can only be played on iPod players (if Apple gains a large enough share of the online music world -- say 90%, there may be an anti-trust law suit against them for not allowing the songs to be played on non-Apple devices)

Kevin

choice is there (2, Insightful)

hamoe (260438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958982)

The choice in music services are there and will continue to be, and I'm sure there are a good number of folks who want to use their pre-existing mp3 players (or not buy an i-pod when they do decide to get a portable player) who won't be subscribing to i-tunes. I just think this is a case of Microsoft using a valid point (choice is good) to illustrate nothing (choice exists).

BWAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958985)

HAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

More Whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958986)

Hm. I think that it is entertaining that they whine when the shoe is on the other foot. That's what they get for pandering to business partner's interests instead of considering what the consumers want. Perhaps it is time to see them in the 5% market share slice of the pie.

To Microsofties : go back to Office applications and general-use operating systems. Leave the audio and video stuff to the experts.

MS = Choice = BAH! (4, Interesting)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958988)

Crap Microsoft, Crap indeed. You are now lying through your... well, backside. MS = Choice my arse.

Microsoft is ALL about cornering you into using MS products...

PRIME example is their damn Movie Maker 2... quite nice program to use (I haven't used iMovie, so I can't compare), but then try and save... "Hmmm, I'd like to save to an open format that pretty much anyone can play... VCD or SVCD, or perhaps just plain MPEG would be nice." "Hmmm, I seem to ONLY be able to save to MS formats unless I have a few gig free to save out to a straight DV dump and then use someone else's program to convert to a more user friendly format, so really I'm forcing anyone who wants to watch movies I've made to have an MS compatible player"

"Hmmm, MS can blow me, and blow me hard"

This is hilarious... (3, Insightful)

tuxlove (316502) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958990)

...considering that HPs decision to add WMA support to the iPod means that the iPod will *be* a Microsoft-enabled device.

I choose (1)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7958991)

Windows is about choice, and I choose to use an iPod and AAC..minus the whole windows part, if I *did* use windows I would still pick the iPod/AAC.

oh yes MS, poor little me (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7958992)

They should fix things at home before looking at other companies products...

Windows is about Lack of Choices, no matter how Microsoft dresses it up.. Windows is about using Microsoft's products, regardless if these products are better or not..

saying that there is nothing stopping MS from including a variant in the next SP for Windows XP. If people really like what Microsoft have on offer they'll see a change towards it.. But Mircosoft knows very well how lazy users can be, internet Explorer is a good example of this. it is included in windows so people just use it because they are too lazy to look for something better..

Betamax vs. VHS (4, Interesting)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959000)

Yes, it is an old example, and yes, it is simplistic-- but it is still very relevant: Betamax vs. VHS.

Sony had a superior quality format for videotape (betamax), but wouldn't share with anyone. Meanwhile, Panasonic, Philips, and others all got together and agreed on VHS format. Competition brought lower priced machines, and eventually VHS killed betamax for home use.

Microsoft is half-right: it is about choice-- but it must ALL be available for choice: the hardware, the OS, the apps, the data format. Only true, open standards under a GPL, LGPL, or other similar "free to evolve independent of any single vendor"-type license will work in the long run.

What Apple Should Do... (1)

LinuxMacWin (79859) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959001)

Support WMA for Rio, Dell Jukebox, Nomad...(whatever)..., and then pull a Microsoft in the next release. So iTunes does not work with Dell Jukebox. Looks like a bug. We will fix it soon...like 2 months.

Oh no, only Microsoft can do that, in the name of providing choice...Sorry.

Hello, shoe... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7959005)

...welcome to The Other Foot.

No monopoly for MS (2, Interesting)

zem_11 (729831) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959010)

Its great that users have even more of a choice with HP getting involved with iPod - heck, it may even push the price down. And the alternative is to use a Dell player and MS s/ware? Pfff ... that's not a choice.

The point on interoperability is so true: Apple started to bridge the divide - in online music at least - with iPod/iTunes for Windows. Now HP are going to help bridge this further (and make $$'s from it of course).

So just how many brownie points did Dell earn with the "we love the MS monopoly"?

I like MS, but... (2, Insightful)

wshwe (687657) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959011)

I also like my iPod. Microsoft should be grateful HP will work with Apple to add WMA support to the iPod. No major digital music service will offer MP3 or other open source format music for the simple reason they lack digital rights management. To force the industry's hand, people would have to boycott iTunes, Musicmatch, Real Networks, Walmart, etc.

Hang on... (0, Troll)

Cosmik (730707) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959015)

I'm sure Microsoft as intellectual property rights on monopolies.

We've had the warm-up match, now I want tag team action!

Microsoft & SCO VS Apple & Linux

Let's get ready to ruuuuuuummmmbble!!!

Honest Question (4, Interesting)

cmason32 (636063) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959022)

Is there anything preventing other companies from making an mp3 player that would play iTMS files? I realize that other companies can make players that play the AAC format, but is Apple preventing them from accessing the DRM?

Having lived on both sides (1)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959024)

I'll pick iTunes hands down.

I've had a RCA Lyra that'd only play MP3's it mangled with a Music Match plug in on CF cards written by it's own proprietary reader

I've used WMA to transcode music onto an iPaq. Once forgetting to turn off DRM and losing music when I didn't back up the key

I've lost a couple of albums on iTunes due to a catastrophic IBM deathstar disk failure...

Now I purchase the music off iTunes and IMMEDIATELY burn it to a CD. Problems solved.

(and you can drag and drop from iTunes to a card reader and the mp3s'll play in a WinCE device. My portable music listening is split between an iPAQ 4150 and a Rio cd/mp3 player -- it's not perfect, but it sucks the least so far, at least until the iPod Minis come down in price.)

Generous with irony...or is he for real? (1)

echion (219637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959026)

1. "Windows is about choice...[you can mix & match music software & hardware]"

  1. vs.

2. "Over time, however, customers will want industry standard choices."

Given "industry standard choices" is doublespeak for "choices MS likes", these great quotes contradict both themselves and the customers that have voted with their money.

And even better that the other offerings for windows don't satisfy his first (compatibility) criterion!

is Windows Media Player a virus (1, Interesting)

lesburn1 (93956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959032)

I seem to me that any program that takes over your computer when used, and opens up browsers and pop-up windows should be called a virus.

can someone clarify (4, Insightful)

cyberworm (710231) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959038)

but can't all these players play mp3's? I've got an iPod and other than the slowness of using iTunes I've had no problem putting MP3's on it. Isn't that a free choice that I have, or are they trying to push people into using WMA or AAC only, in portable music players? And (as the article suggests) if they are working on playing wma on iPods, is there even a problem here?

AppleTurns (4, Insightful)

computerme (655703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959049)

AppleTurns site translated it this way:

Check it out, this was the best a company spokesperson could muster to undercut the announcement: "Windows is all about choice... we believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services." Translation: "Use any service you want as long as it sells Windows Media, buy any player out there as long as it plays Windows Media-- but for heaven's sake, don't buy one of those wretched iPod thingies or we'll be completely boned with our whole plan to monopolize digital media commerce and then we might actually have to start innovating for our paychecks for a change." Or, to put it a little more succinctly, "you can have any color you want, as long as it's black."

Not a dupe article, but... (1)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959050)

This appears to be the same David Fester that popped up a few months ago and spewed forth the same sort of garbage.

iTunes, the iPod, and the iTunes Music Store are popular because Apple has delivered stuff people want in a way that pleases them.

It's pretty simple.

David Fester Said (1)

deadmongrel (621467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959053)

Well couple of words are missing like
a) Windows is about choice
should have been... Windows is about our choice...
b)you can mix and match software and music player stuff
should have been...you can mix and match within software and within music player stuff
c)We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services
incomplete sentence...should have been...We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services the same choices you have(well alright had) when buying a new desktop PC from any major computer dealer

Convicted Monopoly (1, Insightful)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959058)

One Platform: x86
One OS: Windows
One Version: whatever they haven't killed updates and support for, today.

Where do you want to go today? are you sure it wasn't msn.com, oh well, i'll take you there anyway.

I think MS are just upset because apple found a way around media player(albeit all MS applications) stealing default types, regardless of the user's chosen options. My favourite however is when two MS apps fight over an extension, like word and internet explorer with the .html extension.

iPod vs Dell DJ (5, Insightful)

Mage66 (732291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959059)

The bottom line is that the iPod and iTunes provides a better user experience.

I had a 5gb 1st Gen iPod, and I now have a Dell DJ (Dell gave me the credit, Apple wouldn't).

I prefer the iPod.

The DJ works ok, but the user experience isn't as good.

There's no way to stop a playing song. Only pause it.

Syncing music is not intutitive.

Navigating through the tracks on the DJ takes FOREVER.

It's just not as well thought out as iTunes and the iPod are.

I'm thinking of selling my Dell DJ on eBay, and buying an iPod or an iPod mini.

Ipod choice (0, Troll)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959062)

I think Microsoft's main complaint here, and I agree with them, is that if you want to use the popular iTunes service, you have no choice but to use an iPod.

It probably would be more fair to all to be able to use the iTunes service without having to use an iPod exclusively, but that would require all the other mp3 player types to play nice with each other (very unlikely) and iTunes (Apple) probably is not inclned to be this accomodating given the fact that their distribution product (iTunes) is doing just fine, thank-you.

In essence, Microsoft is complaining about the same type of quasi-monopolistic practices that it has been engaing in for quite some time, which make them the quintisential case of the pot-calling-the-kettle-black.

But they just so happen to be right, IMO.

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Choice! (3, Funny)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959066)

Windows is about choice - you can mix and match software and music player stuff. We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services.

Do not laugh at our choice. Microsoft is all many choices. We have so much choice it is silly. You must not listen to the apple! We will crush the infidels with all the choice that we are having!

Sincerely, Microsoft Information Minister

Choice? Oh, that's rich. (5, Insightful)

Soko (17987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959068)

Windows is not about choice - it is about having developers and service providers further entrench the Windows hegonomy, with little to no effort on the part of MS.

HP made a choice, as the market seems to be doing as well.

Let's see how well Microsoft lives with this.

Oh, and to all of you who say "Watch how high the price of Windows goes for HP", Microsoft won't dare do anything of the sort. Having both IBM and HP actively looking to kill Windows is not something Microsoft shareholders would appreciate.

Soko

If Microsoft's so pro-choice... (4, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959070)

Then why does it do everything possible to destroy it? Lotus 1-2-3 for Dos, WordPerfect (countless times), DR-DOS, OS/2, OpenDoc, Go/pen computing, Netscape, Java - and those are only the examples I can think of off the top of my head.

In fact, there has never been a more monopolistic, closed technology advocate than Microsoft. If someone comes up with something original, or something that's superior to anything Microsoft can engineer, then they'll be driven into the ground by the full force of the Microsoft machine.

I use Microsoft products (eg, Windows 2000, Office) and I also use non-Microsoft products that compete directly with the company's offerings (eg, Opera, Winamp). I'm not pro- or anti-Microsoft. What I am is pro-choice. And, frankly, that's one thing Microsoft can accurately never claim to be.

from the news post (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959071)

In a moment of what must have been an attempt at ironic humor he said

I must be an idiot or something, but could someone please explain why microsoft is generally anti-choice? look at the facts, windows is built to give people the opportunity to choose whatever they want to do. Windows xp HOME. windows xp professional. dos. windows has more features than all other operating systems. apple on the other hand forces people to do certain things... they're the ones who sell computers that are stuck to a monitor. people are forced to upgrade their software because older versions are incompatable. look at windows xp - you can choose a compatability mode. i can run windows 95 software seamlessly.

if you ask me, microsoft has the right to say they are better at giving people options. look at windows media player - it plays EVERYTHING.

After all . . . (5, Interesting)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959072)

If you can't beat 'em, FUD 'em.

Remember, kiddies, that Microsoft is never about competing. Otherwise, they'd still be working on IE for Mac OS X, instead of complaining that another browser beat them.

Take your toys and go home, I say. We don't want you here.

I choose not to Wave My Ass around... (0, Offtopic)

jeeves99 (187755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959079)

its rather big and bloated and of sub-par consistency. I'd rather take my Ass Around the Corner and hang with the other non-conformers.

this and that (5, Funny)

sstory (538486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959081)

Windows IS about Choice.
Also,
Slavery is Freedom
and
War is Peace

If I remember my Orwell right.

so let me get this straight (2, Interesting)

ironicsky (569792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959082)

Microsoft if worried about Apple gaining a monopoly on MP3 players... So what is microsoft then? an entry level company trying to gain a footstep in the industry? Microsoft is just worried that people will stop using their substandard equipment and software to use something superior.

Thats one reason why I dont have an Ipod now is the lack of WMA support. My Creative MP3 player will play pretty much anything I tell it too.. Including microsofts limited wma files.

Once apple gains a foot hold more or less it will be better for the consumer

If I had a choice of 10 crappy products or one good product on the market I'd take the 1 good product

Rich corporate people have fun (1)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959091)

They know they're doin better than everyone, so they try their best to have fun while making a mockery of the courts.

"Industry standard choices" (2)

MikeMo (521697) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959092)

Isn't that Big Brother doublespeak, an obvious oxymoron"?

This is truly the most double-faced marketing spin ever to come out of Redmond, and that's saying a lot. I think it's a sign of desperation!

Wait just a sec... (1)

danidude (672839) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959096)

Microsoft's Windows digital media division David Fester has suggested that iTunes' emerging dominance would be bad for consumers

MS saying that domination is bad? What's next? Emacs and vi lovers uniting, BSD'ers and Linux'ers singing in harmony, qmail people installing postfix... now I'm a beliver!

Apple Choice vs. Microsoft "Choice" (5, Insightful)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 10 years ago | (#7959099)

There're two basic methods of Innovation at work here, Apple's brand and Microsoft's. Microsoft wants to leverage the choice of software tools made by third-party developers (that they haven't driven under by co-opting technology from) to promote a "choice" among applications on the Windows platform.

Apple wants to provide the "choice" of a Non-Windows platform and non-Microsoft technology. And Apple, for all their ills as far as co-opting technology in ways distressingly similar to Microsoft, has never been known to utterly decimate the competition or actively belittle or disparage them. What Apple does when they add new features to the OS is to simply set the bar higher for 3rd party developers.

Apple bothers me in some things, but when it comes right down to it, I don't see Apple trying dirty tricks in the background to drive anyone away from creating music services for the Mac platform. Microsoft would just -love- to push vendors into a MS Music Store lock in.
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