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Verisign to run National RFID Directory

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the we've-seen-this-before dept.

Privacy 194

JamesD_UK writes "Verisign has been given the contract to develop a national RFID directory by EPCGlobal. Under the directory scheme each company will maintain an Object Name Service analogous to DNS with Verisign running the root server. Verisign has already setup the infrastructure at six different global sites."

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Fjrst Poist (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961663)

MooKores MandrakeMoovin. Because debian fucked up again!

Re:Fjrst Poist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961934)

National RFID Directory. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961665)

fp!!!

omg lol rotfl ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961666)

Bush est un con !
Viva Saddam !
(Adolf Hitroll)

Fresh pork! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961667)

Again?

lol... (4, Funny)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961669)

PeopleFinder is on it's way then :)

'The person you are trying to find does not exist. Did you mean....'

Re:lol... (5, Insightful)

Dilbert_ (17488) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961688)

Heh, that means we'll soon get all-kinds-of-stuff.google.com ;-)
Imagine entering a query to retrieve your car keys... the possibilities are endless.

Re:lol... (2, Funny)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961715)

Actually, that would be kind of cool. I'm always losing stuff...

Re:lol... (5, Insightful)

quigonn (80360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961723)

Yes, the possibilities are indeed endless. I'm wondering when the terrorists will catch up and build booby traps that only explodes when the RFID scanner attached to the booby trap detects an e.g. US-american citizen nearby (which wouldn't be too difficult to build, since the passports will have RFID tags, too). "RFID tagging supports terrorism"?!

Or the criminals that check whether it's worth to rob out a bank or a store by using an RFID scanner that detects all banknotes and calculates how much money is in the cash register. "RFID tagging supports delinquency"?!

Re:lol... (2, Interesting)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961965)

. I'm wondering when the terrorists will catch up and build booby traps that only explodes when the RFID scanner attached to the booby trap detects an e.g. US-american citizen nearby

Better still, if it was really clever it could read the tags in their clothing too. So a bus-load of obese american tourists turns up, the rfid reader detects 40 US citizens with waist sizes of more than 80 inches and BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, there goes my karma

HH
--

Re:lol... (2, Interesting)

ReelOddeeo (115880) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962279)

I'm wondering when the terrorists will catch up and build booby traps that only explodes when the RFID scanner attached to the booby trap detects an e.g. US-american citizen nearby

Someone could even set us up the boom such that it only explodes when brought into proximity of a specific RIAA CD, or a specific Gilette razor. Highly targeted.

Re:lol... (5, Funny)

Lord of Ironhand (456015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961735)

> Imagine entering a query to retrieve your car keys... the possibilities are endless.

Indeed, why restrict yourself to your own car keys?

Re:lol... (5, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962099)

Imagine entering a query to retrieve your car keys... the possibilities are endless.
Imagine somebody else entering a query to retrieve your car keys... the possible locations of your car are endless.

Re:lol... (2, Funny)

Illserve (56215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961822)

PeopleFinder is on it's way then :)

And Google will soon provide us with Poogle.

Or maybe Stoogle

(St for Stalking)

Re:lol... (1)

6.023e23 (738640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962122)

Oh no. Here we go again...

Hillary as leather dominatrix? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961671)

I know that Spy Magazine once had a photoedited picture of Hillary Clinton in a leather dominatrix outfit on the cover.

Does anyone have links to that? I've got the hots for her...

Re:Hillary as leather dominatrix? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961683)

Of all the things I've read on slashdot, this is, by far, the most disturbing. The goatse man has nothing on it.

Re:Hillary as leather dominatrix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961713)

What do you mean?

Hillary is a goddess. I want her to make me lick her boots, I want her to whip my ass raw and fuck me savagely in the ass with a strap-on dildo while abusing me verbally.

And if she would let me to serve her orally all night long, I'd die as a happy man.

Re:Hillary as leather dominatrix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961788)

You've got a long, lonely life ahead of you when you grow up. Most women don't like S&M and only of a fraction of those like to dominate.

Re:Hillary as leather dominatrix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961913)

Indeed. My exgirlfriend never liked it when I pissed in her face when she was tied up. Even though she asked for it.

I'd like to think that that's why she went off with another guy, but then last I heard he beats her up and stuff, which sucks. Ah well.

Disturbing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961741)

What? The RFIDs?

Re:Hillary as leather dominatrix? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962094)

I saw that cover and may even have the issue.

It was a great pic but I can't find it online.

And if you use one that does not exist... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961672)

you get a nice Verisign advertisement.

What happens when it can't find an item? (1)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961673)

Does it defualt to telling you that it's a McCheeseBurger when it can't find the item you were looking for in the database?

We're not in kansas any more.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961674)

Munchkin VeriSign's Brendsel is surely going to lead us up the yellow brick road.

Verisign & code signing (5, Insightful)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961682)

Did anyone else run into trouble with Verisign using Microsoft's code signing last week? A bunch of Verisign's certs expired, which shouldn't have mattered if you were using the API correctly, but WinVerifyTrust() was blocking for minutes at a time. (I'm not sure why the certs belong to Verisign and not MS)

The CryptoAPI mailing list was claiming that "verisign was running slow".

Anyhow, if its true, I don't trust Verisign for to provide infrastructure for squat.

Re:Verisign & code signing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961702)

I'm not sure why the certs belong to Verisign and not MS Verisign sign MS certs with their root cert, not that this should in any way signify trust.

Re:Verisign & code signing (5, Informative)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961710)

One of the grand-daddy certs expired. [theregister.co.uk] Screwed everything from websites to Norton Antivirus

Re:Verisign & code signing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961722)

(I'm not sure why the certs belong to Verisign and not MS)
Uh...because MS aren't a trust authority and Verisign are?

Re:Verisign & code signing (1)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961733)

Yes, but isn't it Microsoft's job to renew their certificate with Verisign? It is Microsoft's public key they are signing, after all.

Re:Verisign & code signing (4, Informative)

jrumney (197329) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961857)

Yes, but isn't it Microsoft's job to renew their certificate with Verisign?

Microsoft's certificate wasn't expired. The problem stems from the fact that Verisign sign third party certificates with a certificate which has an expiry date (for safety, to limit the effects in the unlikely event that the private key is stolen from the secure facility it is kept in). The Verisign certificate is not part of the server certificate (otherwise people could make their own "Verisign" certs), it is distributed with tools and browsers etc.

Now a few years ago, Verisign realised that one of their Root Certificates was about to reach the point where it would expire within the lifetime of the certificates they were issuing. The sensible thing to do would be to create a new Root Certificate, and start using that, but then everyone using existing browsers and other tools would need to install the new certificate to continue working smoothly. Instead, they decided to extend the expiry date of the existing certificate, and reissue it. This meant that existing tools could keep working for a while without installing new certificates, and as newer updates replaced them, the new certificates would filter through.

The problem with this approach is that people became complacent and it was just delaying the problem. Some certificate stores ended up with both new and old certificates, and bugs in software (some MS software from what I've heard) meant that the old certificate was still being used, the new one was ignored. Other software (Java) continued being released with the old certificate and noone noticed until about a month ago. And then there's all the installations of Netscape Enterprise Server, Netscape 4.7, even IE 4 and 5.0 that are still out there with old certificates.

Re:Verisign & code signing (2, Informative)

PaschalNee (451912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961732)

Seek [google.ie] and ye shall receive [slashdot.org]

Re:Verisign & code signing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962031)

The certs don't belong to Verisign, the certificate revocation store does. That's what was overloaded.

Re:Verisign & code signing (1)

neowolf (173735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962378)

Verisign IS the Microsoft of security...

Be afraid, be very afraid!

Hey, Alright! (3, Insightful)

robpoe (578975) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961686)

So, when you need to change something, or fix an error with your registered RFID tag, you can attempt to make the change via their web interface, then wait a week and a day, or you can call in and fax in the form and have someone never get anything done with it, too?? Then, right in the middle of it all, they'll switch out how things are done and you'll have to conform to their backward standards..

Great... (5, Funny)

jasonfncsu (735876) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961692)

now verisign has the ability to erase me.

Please remember me when I'm gone...

Re:Great... (3, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961843)

now verisign has the ability to erase me.

Please remember me when I'm gone...


Don't worry... you're still in the Google cache, although you haven't been spidered since you were 11 years old.

Re:Great... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961890)

That's funny, because I got "spidered" by Michael Jackson when I was 11 years old. Well, that's what he called it, anyway.

In other news.... (5, Funny)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961694)

The ./ community has released an update to patch this "issue."

Simply wear the provided tinfoil hat to nullroute this new service.

What is this ./ of which you speak? (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961892)


and how do I become a member?

Re:In other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961906)

What is the "current UNIX directory path" community, and why are they releasing patches?

Re:In other news.... (1)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962554)

Well, not everyone is perfect at typing...especially realizing the difference between /. and ./

It could have been worse...I could have typed c:/.

Renewal fees (5, Insightful)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961697)

Just wait until the implement wildcard RFID als site seeker and start charging $70 a year to renew a tag. It wouldn't surprise me a bit

Rus

Re:Renewal fees (2, Funny)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962180)

Yea, but I won't want to renew the tag for my out-of-style pants, so thats a bonus! The scanning system will even tell me when I can't wear my pants anymore.

Who needs style when technology can do it for me!

First post ! First Poste (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961699)

First post ! first post ! first post... sorry (not).
I didn't read anything (so i had time to make the first post), but I did recognize the binoculars thingy on side of the article, and then I spotted "Verisign" in the subject of the article.
That's all I need to know ! Verisign + privacy = bad.
So having no clue, I nonetheless boldy write :
" Given the track record of this malevolent company - Verisign - i am sure that initiative bodes ill for the American people and our beloved and cherished constitutinal liberties "

I am a bot ! i am a bot ! i am an abbot !

Organisation or Disorganisation? (2, Funny)

janfarrell (697370) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961700)

More standards, new methods... and what about embedded systems... surely this will not be compliant with old systems in 5 years time... You will need Windows 2006 to be able to use this. Just seems like the web is getting more and more bureaucratic, not good... America: where liberty is a statue and patriotism is trusting the government.

I wonder where they will embed the RFID? (0)

cornholio_hehehe (739161) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962299)

Oh noooooooo! ouch ouch, hehe hehe, ooooooaauughhh.

Your last statment is so true. (1)

sindarin2001 (583716) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962466)

Your last statement is so true. Thank you for enlightening my day!

"Unbiased" BBC suspends a host (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961701)

All you who have been touting how unbiased BBC is should take a look at this [yahoo.com] ...

Re:"Unbiased" BBC suspends a host (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961773)

Well, based on that article, I'd say the guy deserves to get fired altogether.

As a (news)host you should be careful what you say in public. Inciting racial hatred and promoting stereotypes is just bad. That's why EU has nazi-parties and nazi-talk banned in the first place.

Re:"Unbiased" BBC suspends a host (0, Offtopic)

greenpanda (679394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961777)

While I believe BBC is wrong to suspend Kilroy-Silk, I can definately understand the resons behind them being so heavy-handed.

The critism they have recieved from their involvement in the Dr.David Kelly fiasco would surely make any national organisation take Political Correctness very seriously indeed!

Kilroy-Silk made a mistake. His original article was misleading and he has appologised for that. I am sure we will see him back in the Beeb soon enough.

It's not "political correctness" (0, Flamebait)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962011)


That's what bigots try and plam it off as when they are exposed.

K-S said "all Arabs are suicide bombers and limb amputators" in a National Newspaper. All Arabs, not 'a few arabs'. And he hasn't apologised for saying that at all, he said "it's been quoted out of context" and then tried to blame "political correctness" on people being upset that he should host a national chat show dealing with issues such as bullying and racism.

I find it amusing that it was printed by mistake, it's a reprint of an article published *during the gulf war*, which to my mind, makes it *even more* inflammatory.

The guy is also a former MP. The sooner he's out of a job, the better.

The don't claim 'non-bias' (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962027)


The BBC's Coat of Arms bears the slogan :

NATION SHALL SPEAK PEACE UNTO NATION.

Which is perfectly in line with their decision to suspend (and hopefully fire) Kilroy-Silk.

what about UPC? (3, Insightful)

Mazzie (672533) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961727)

Found it very odd that they didn't mention UPC even once in the article. Wouldn't it make sense to have support for UPC while EPC is phased in over time?

CueCat vs. EPC Directory? (3, Interesting)

WebTurtle (109015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961731)

It seems that this is just a slightly different implementation of an old idea. The only really interesting thing is that they are searching for RFIDs using the same redundancy as DNS.

What are the similarities between CueCat and the EPC Directory project? It seems to me that the only difference is the scale of the implementation.

Is that accurate?

Re:CueCat vs. EPC Directory? (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962475)

Cue cat logged the serial number of the scanner taking the scan as well as the code being scanned. I presume you can buy a scanner to suit your needs and do all lookups in-house if needed. It required hacking the cat to do that. However you do have a valid point, to interface with the bigger world (Is that a candy bar in your pocket?, when was that tire sold, rotated, car milage etc.) would need external data to be returned to you.

Too much control by one company? (5, Insightful)

wongqc (555152) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961734)

Mabbe it's juz me....but I am extremely uncomfortable of them running both the RFID database, and the DNS database. Too much control by one company.....I would prefer it's runned by a non-profit org. But I don't really like the idea of RFID in the first place.

Re:Too much control by one company? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961780)

Not only that but lots digital signatures depend on them as the issuing authority, which isn't a cheap service. But we can trust them, they run eTrust...

Re:Too much control by one company? (1, Informative)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961878)

Sounds like you need to crawl back under a rock and hide from the future, then!

EPC is simply a reference for finding the producer of a given item - you pick up an RFID tag with the appropriate data, it refers you to Gillette, where you can use more specific information to find that it's a case of Mach 3 razor blades, shipped from such-and-such warehouse on such-and-such date. What exactly are you afraid of???

It disappoints me to see how many supposedly tech-savvy readers around here react with such fear...

Choice of Verisign is very misguided (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961736)

For at least two reasons, choosing Verisign for this project is as bad a choice as picking SCO to safeguard free/open-source software -- a direct analogy, not just because SCO is flavor of the month.

Not only do they lack the technical competence to do it properly and flexibly, but they also lack the professional integrity to be doing this work. It is a company that rejoices in its commercially-led myopia, at every opportunity making the "wrong" decisions on the basis of perceived market benefits to itself alone.

This is going to end in tears.

Re:Choice of Verisign is very misguided (4, Insightful)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961803)

Sometimes I wonder who makes these illogical decisions. Certainly not people who have a clue about what they are doing , thats for sure. Why are there not more savvy people in higer places?

Re:Choice of Verisign is very misguided (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962280)

Peter Principle.

Great... (2, Interesting)

kcbrown (7426) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961746)

<sarcasm>
I can't think of anyone I'd trust more...
</sarcasm>

Seriously, it's a wonder anyone trusts them with anything anymore, especially with the way they've abused their position as DNS registrar and TLD maintainer. I certainly don't. They'll have to do a complete 180 for an extended period of time (many years) to ever get my business again.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961898)

I can't think of anyone I'd trust more...

Microsoft?

Re:Great... (1)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961980)

I can't think of anyone I'd trust more...

Microsoft?
SCO?
Haliburton?
The CIA?

Anyone else not liking this? (0, Redundant)

Gillious (723833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961747)

I don't like RFID to start with, but being that verisign is involved I can't help but feel uneasy. It seems to me as if I should be looking to find a way to convert verisign's name to 666 via some mathematical equation or something. Given the way they have delt with domain registration, this can't be good.

Trust ? (2)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961750)

Sounds like a great job for a company we can trust.

3133 (-1, Offtopic)

graveyardduckx (735761) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961753)

I will hax0r mineself and become someone rich and powerful!

Thats nice. (5, Insightful)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961759)

But we should have an open, public, maintainable database which is -not- under the exclusive domain of Verisign for these things.

I can think of plenty of private uses of RFID which I would not want Verisign to be involved in, in the slightest.

Re:Thats nice. (1)

segmond (34052) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962282)

Verisign does not have the market yet, so if you feel we should have an open/public DB, which I also feel, then it is imperative for us to act at once and implement our own DB. If there is an open alternative, people will use it! But if we let Verisign grow rather quickly, then they will win by first movers advantage.

Re:Thats nice. (1)

greygent (523713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962464)

I can think of plenty of private uses of RFID which I would not want Verisign to be involved in, in the slightest.

You just keep that to yourself. Nobody wants anything to do with your pleeasure-seeking shaved cyborg gerbils.

Uh-Oh (1)

pergamon (4359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961766)

As anyone who has had to deal with Verisign knows, this is bad news.

Verisign and RFID (4, Funny)

Pompatus (642396) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961789)

all in one story is not quite enough for a flamewar. If they were running this new service on SCO licensed servers donated by Microsoft in order to find oil on Mars, THEN you would have a story.

ASN.1 vulnerabilities? (3, Insightful)

winchester (265873) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961793)

Given the fact that this sounds like a directory in X.500 or LDAP format, which are both extremely vulnerable to ASN.1 vulnerabilities, hackers will have a field day exploiting this directory.

Also, since ASN. is very non-trivial to program, it will be interesting to see how many programmers will be able to use this succesfully... i am referring to the ASP.NET generation :-)

Verisign is not so bad (3, Funny)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961801)

Imagine the outburst on here if FBI was to run directory!

Haven't you heard??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962572)

Rumor has it that Verisign is just a front for the NSA, so that they can have backdoors to our encryption.

Surprised? (3, Insightful)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961838)

Is anyone actually surprised by this? I was just as shocked when Oracle's Larry Ellison said that he would help set up the National I.D. card database. These companies are just profiting from stealing away what little chunks of our privacy we have left, after congress and the government have taken their share. I guess that in this economy they will do anything to survive. Sad.
</conspiracy theories>

Re:Surprised? (1)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961902)

These companies are just profiting from stealing away what little chunks of our privacy we have left

As long as personal data continues to be a commodity, profit will go over privacy.

As much as I hate VeriSign... (4, Informative)

Shoten (260439) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961845)

I have to say that they've proven that they're a good choice for this. Keep in mind what the #1 priority is for maintaining TLDs, particularly the big ones (.com, .net, .org) that Network Solutions/VeriSign handled for most of their lives. VeriSign's idiocy and abuse with regards to non-existent domain handling and misleading 'renewal' notices are despicable for sure, but while all that was going on, they also kept things up and running quite well, even weathering out the largest DDoS on record without going down.

Re:As much as I hate VeriSign... (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961935)

I have to agree, much as I hate Verisign's modus operandi, I can't recall any instances where, for example, the entire .com heirarchy was off line. From my understanding of the planned implementation of RFID, Verisign is only going to be providing resolution up to RFID's equivalent of ".com" and it's up to the other "registrars" to support their own RFID domains.

If you want to use Verisign instead of one of the alternates to register and manage your RFID domain then I'll be offering no sympathy if the level of service and support is akin to that of their handling of domains. But Verisign, or rather the erstwhile Network Solutions, has provided essentially bulletproof TLD resolution and I'm sure they are capable of doing the same for RFID.

Re:As much as I hate VeriSign... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961984)

Which means...

Nothing really since they are only the second company to be allowed the oppertunity.

As you stated, they do have a history of being abusive. Honesty and morality are the essential issues when selecting a company to maintain something as big and as controversial as this RFID database.

There are MANY companies who manage to maintain systems more complex than top level DNS and certs... Many of those companies do not have Verisigns abusive track record...

ObjectID spoofing, here we come! (4, Insightful)

Craig Ringer (302899) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961888)

Just think what fun you could have with cache poisoning.

Well crap (1)

Tinfoil (109794) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961904)

If verisign is running this, does that mean that at any given point my RFID enabled electric razor will start going really, really, slow?

Re:Well crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962002)

Hey, you're my hat! Come back here!

Free Groceries (2, Interesting)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961905)

Cool, does this mean that when their intermediate root RFID numbers expire, we get free stuff? Or does it just mean that the cash register will pop up error messages when they try to verify my purchases?

So let me get this straight... (5, Insightful)

TygerFish (176957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7961907)

The company that thought trying to swindle *everyone* who didn't know the market price of domain registration by sending out pseudo-bills is the company that the Gov'mint thinks is worthy of keeping tabs on, well, on everything?

Okay, I got it.

I understand the future: no company will be entrusted with sensitive, and potentially vital security work unless they combine incompetence with malfeasance.

Lovely...

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962107)

Um, I don't think epcglobal is the 'guvmint'

I think the guvmint gave verisgn domain registration, and a consortium named epcglobal gave them everything else..

Re:So let me get this straight... (2, Insightful)

ultraw (99206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962175)

Remember that this is also the same company that redirected all typo's to their own service/servers/...

"Hello, the tag you scanned does not exist, but we supplied the info of some other product..."

VeriSign would be the last company I would give this mandate to. Only choosing them on hardware terms is plain stupid...

The sounds of Skynet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7961972)

Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left it's seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of Skynet.

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of
A neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of Skynet.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one deared
Disturb the sound of Skynet.

Fools said i, you do not know
Skynet like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you.
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of Skynet

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon God they made.
And the sign flashed out it's warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the signs said, the words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls.
And whisper'd in the sounds of Skynet.

Re:The sounds of Skynet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962091)

Wow, cool it's like you've replaced every occurence of the word "Silence" with the word "Skynet". Man that's so deep, it's like a total re-interpretation of like...everything, Wow !!!!!!!

Re:The sounds of Skynet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962446)

At least I didn't post the same old lame skynet quote from t1.

Prayer for the return of Camelot in 2004 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962097)

What kind of peace do I mean?

What kind of peace do we seek?

Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war.

Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave.

I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.

Bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7962152)

Have you read the words of Chairman Mao, leader of the revolution of China who led his people on the long march ?

Mao Tse Tung said change must come, through the barrel of a gun.

Not through talking or contemplating on the facts, cos we know what they are. So let Mao Tse Tung be your guiding star, pick up a gun and learn how to fight all through the day and all through the night.

New Verisign Ad Slogan (3, Funny)

lww (323019) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962199)

We put the 'F' in RFID...

RFID based Advertisement (2, Insightful)

tacocat (527354) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962254)

Think of the possibilities!!!!

  • All plasmas screen advertisement screens will automatically change according to the demographics represented by my RFID tags I'm wearing, or based upon a demographic RFID type DNS lookup against my RFID tags.
  • Anyone can track anyone elses stuff
  • Want to know what your SO is doing? track them via RFID and identify all RFID's within range of them
  • Walk into a store and they'll be able to not only identify you, but obtain a complete financial records and shopping tendencies.

In short, the data that we carry with us via RFID will precede our every action in society.

Imagine having BLOGS based on RFID's. "I dated a guy named Joe with an RFID tag of XYZ and he's a real loser/winner".

Makes Minority Report and Gattica seem pretty likely in our lifetimes.

If I microwave my clothes, will it destroy the RFID's???

Credit for This Idea (2, Interesting)

tspauld98 (512650) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962308)

Any credit for this idea has to go to George Orwell. Who would've guessed that he was just 20 years too early on his prediction?

I remember reading 1984 in 1983 and thinking, "Well, thank God that could never happen." I don't think it's funny anymore. Somebody stop the madness.

tims

Re:Credit for This Idea (3, Funny)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962463)

I bet you were worried when they started putting barcodes on everything in the grocery stores, too.

EPC lookups for what? (1)

xyote (598794) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962347)

I imagine that stores would already know what rfid's they had in inventory. So, it's not clear why they would need a EPC root server or who actually would be using this service. I'm more worried about the stores forgetting what they have in inventory vs. what they sold, given how good companies are at correctly maintaining databases and backing them up. Could make for some interesting store exit scenes. Make sure that you have all your receipts for everything that you are wearing.

Write to EPC, my letter is here: (5, Insightful)

kidMike (627686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962386)

Please write to Jack Grasso, Director of Public Relations, at mailto:jgrasso@uc-council.org.

My letter is below:
(hpoe my facts are mostly accurate)

Good morning Mr. Grasso -

I am writing this morning to express my extreme dismay at the selection of VeriSign to run this RFID registry. As a professional in the technology field, I have dealt with VeriSign on many occasions, and have decided that I never will again, if at all possible. VeriSign has a history of putting the company first before all else, including privacy, not a great attribute for someone who will organize a system to track millions of things and people.

VeriSign has engaged in deceptive business practices, for example the "fake" invoices they sent out to clients of competing registrars, giving the false impression that the client had to pay VeriSign in order to renew their domain (VeriSign lost many lawsuits over this deceptive practice, and the FTC even got involved).

VeriSign most recently used the monopoly position on maintaining the .COM and .NET "Top-Level Domains" to bring web surfers that made a typo in a URL to a VeriSign-owned search engine, which sold advertising to other companies and promoted specific search results based upon their paid advertisers. In the process, the technological changes they made to do this caused the malfunction of millions of programs, primarily many anti-SPAM utilities.

In all these cases, VeriSign acted greedily to further the company's aims over what's good for the people who must use the services that VeriSign administers. Their track record of deception and the world-renowned sluggishness with which their company operates should be a red flag for anyone who understands the types of technology involved and the effects that VeriSign's moves has had on the Internet.

Please consider some additional viewpoints. There is a website known as SlashDot, located at http://slashdot.org, which has one of the largest user bases of any web site. Most of the users are tech workers, and the discussions on SlashDot are some of the most intelligent discussions I have ever read. A discussion on your organization's decision is in progress right now. Please read it at http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/13/125721 2&mode=thread&tid=158&tid=99

And please pass along to your management the unhappiness this move has brought to the vast majority of the people who actually understand what your technology does, what it is capable of, and the ways it can be abused.

Thank you for your time.

In other news... (3, Funny)

gekkotron (641131) | more than 10 years ago | (#7962410)

Verisign is considering a name change to 'Skynet'.
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