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Mars Rover Rolls And Turns

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the now-make-it-beg dept.

Space 339

hcg50a writes "MSNBC reports that overnight, 'the golfcart-sized rover cut the final cord tying it to the landing platform that it came in on 10 days ago, then backed up about 10 inches (25 centimeters) and turned 45 degrees. These were the first maneuvers planned in preparation for having Spirit roll 10 feet (3 meters) down a ramp onto the Martian surface on Wednesday night or early Thursday morning.' The NASA Mars rover website has complete animations from numerous cameras of the 45-degree turn. Driver training was never this cool!"

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GNAA rolls and turns (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971157)

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Here you have it: it's official; Google confirms: Desktop Linux is dying.

Now, you might be thinking this is just another cut & paste troll based on the typical *BSD is dying bullshit.
It isn't.
As you might have know, your favorite search engine, Google [google.com] , has been running a little statistics service, called "Zeitgeist [google.com] ".
Since about a year ago, they started providing statistics of the operating systems used to access their search engine worldwide.
I will let the numbers speak for themselves:

Operating Systems Accessing Google in January 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in March 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in April 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in May 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in June 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in July 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in August 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in September 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in November 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in December 2002 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in January 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in February 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in April 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in May 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in June 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in July 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in August 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in September 2003 [google.com]
Operating Systems Accessing Google in November 2003 [google.com]

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According to Google Zeitgeist [google.com] , there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 [microsoft.com] users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.

Linux "leaders" will have you believe that Linux is gaining market share. However, according to Google [google.com] , "Linux" was never a top 10 search word at *any time* since Google began tracking search statistics. This can only mean one thing: Linux is dying.

All major surveys show that Linux on Desktop is something never meant to happen. Repeatedly, reputable organizations review Desktop Linux offerings, and consistently [osnews.com] give [com.com] it [com.com] unacceptable [yahoo.com] scores, compared to even Apple [apple.com] 's MacOS X [apple.com] , which is actually based on the "claimed to by dying long time ago" *BSD. If you paid attention to the operating systems used to access Google graphs earlier, you will notice that MacOS has consistently scored higher percentages than Linux. Infact, the obscure "other" category, which we assume is embedded systems, PDA's, cellular phones, etc, has at times ranked Higher [google.com] than even Mac OS - and of course, Linux.

In almost 2 years worth of statistics, Linux [linux.com] has NEVER outranked even such a truly "dying" OS as Mac OS, and infact, never raised above the 1% mark. When Windows XP [microsoft.com] was released, Google searches for Linux drastically decreased [google.com] . This clearly demonstrates that Linux on Desktop is, for all practical purposes, dead.

Fact: Desktop Linux is dead.

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Re:GNAA rolls and turns (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971174)

All this info you've provided really shows is that people are moving from 98 to XP. Linux's stay at 1% has more to do with rounding error than with lack of growth.

I'm not a fan of Linux, but your 'proof' is embarrasing.

Re:GNAA rolls and turns (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971201)

you are saying that linux's 1% is just error, so that means nobody actually uses Linux, as this study is indeed suggesting.

is this my correct interpretation of your post?

what exactly is "embarassing" about my proof?

Re:GNAA rolls and turns (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971262)

You should pay more attention to the topic dude. Have you even read the article? Before you post, how about you keep it on topic? The reason slashdot is going down is people like you. -TBHY.

Re:GNAA rolls and turns (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971218)

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Kill the trolls. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971437)

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Re:Kill the trolls. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971465)

did you even bother looking at the link?

Fer fook's sake! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971168)

Drivers ed was never this slow!

Re:Fer fook's sake! (1)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971292)


"Driver training was never this cool!"

That confirms it - hcg50a has had too much coffee. Lucky I dont have such an expensive r/c vehicle. ;-)

Teach it to fetch and sit (0, Offtopic)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971171)

You'd have yourself a Rover trained as well as an CEO?

Wow! Metrics! (4, Funny)

Snaller (147050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971175)

How unslashdotian :o)

Re:Wow! Metrics! (2, Funny)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971209)

How unslashdotian :o)

I bet Nasa uses metric. You can't say "within hollerin' distance" in space, because in space no can hear you scream (or holler).

Re:Wow! Metrics! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971541)

Xploit This [mailto] bitch!

Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971232)

Too bad their conversions are off:
10 in = 25.4 cm
10 ft = 3.05 m

Re:Idiots (-1, Offtopic)

OpenBoot Troll (734892) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971257)

My, what an apology you are owed!

BTW, by your own unnecessary crack-smoking precision, 10ft is actually 3.048m. Hint: when converting, don't give back more precision than you got.

YHBT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971330)

NASA uses metric... the imperial values are wrong.
ROR!

Oh my God! (-1, Troll)

CosmeticLobotamy (155360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971176)

Ten feet? I'm so excited! OhmyGodohmyGodohmyGod! I hope it goes eleven!

Parallel parking is worth ten points (4, Funny)

Tirinal (667204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971180)

I can just imagine the conversations at NASA:

"Hey, this gizmo thingy is pretty nifty."

"You shouldn't fiddle with that, its highly delica-"

"Dude, this thing has fourwheel drive! Can I go offroad? Please?"

"Damnit, you can't just wa-"

"Watch me do a barrel roll! Weeeee!!!"

Re:Parallel parking is worth ten points (5, Funny)

tonyr60 (32153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971345)

And then...

"Oh shit, I just ran over a Beagle"...

Re:Parallel parking is worth ten points (5, Funny)

woohoodonuts (734070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971445)

Dude, this thing has fourwheel drive! Can I go offroad? Please?"

I'd say this is about as far "off road" as you're gonna get.

Re:Parallel parking is worth ten points (2, Funny)

woohoodonuts (734070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971470)

Dude, this thing has fourwheel drive! Can I go offroad? Please?

speaking of off-roading... here's hoping they didn't use firestone tires.
"Ummm... well, Boss... it appears we lost a little tread and blasted back into orbit."

Remember! Don't drink and drive. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971186)

You might spill some.

Re:Remember! Don't drink and drive. (1)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971280)


Uncle Jimbo: Now boys, boys, I, I need to get serious for a minute. I want you to understand a few basic rules of interplanetary rover RC, since this is your first time. First, don't ever walk with your gun unless the safety's on. Second, don't shoot anything that looks martian and third, never spill your beer on the mission control computer.
Peter Theisinger: Uh, Uncle Jimbo, we don't drink beer.
Uncle Jimbo: You what?!?
Ned: Moh yeh, that's right, I don't think geeks drink beer, mmm.
Jan Chodas: I like chocolate milk.
Uncle Jimbo: Well, we'll be doing plenty of drinking on this trip; After all, scientific research sober is like ... fishing ... sober.

Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (-1, Troll)

Debian Troll's Best (678194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971187)

Just a reminder to folks who might have missed this announcement earlier (it was buried in one of NASA's smaller research group home pages) that high resolution images of all images from the Mars Spirit rover are available through an apt-get interface for those interested. The URL to add to your apt.sources file is aptsource.spirit.downloads.nasa.gov. To grab the latest image updates, just issue this at the command line:

apt-get update nasa-spirit-images

This will download a .deb package containing all new updated images. This .deb also contains an installation script which will conveniently launch xpaint to view the images as a slideshow. Debian (and apt-get) are used pretty heavily throughout NASA, so it's no surprise the Spirit team has pulled off this little apt-get trick!

Hope this helps lighten the load on the NASA web servers a little for those Debian users out there!

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (0)

OpenBoot Troll (734892) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971216)

ping: unknown host aptsource.spirit.downloads.nasa.gov

Dumass mods can't even spot a troll a mile off, puh.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971251)

Ping is not the best way to check if a host works. Some servers reject ICMP echo request: Slashdot for instance. It would be better to use netcat to connect to the http port.
C:\>nc -vv aptsource.spirit.downloads.nasa.gov http
aptsource.spirit.downloads.nasa.gov: forward host lookup failed: h_errno 11004: NO_DATA

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (0)

OpenBoot Troll (734892) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971277)

I wasn't checking a host, I was cheking a DNS entry. It didn't resolve.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (1, Offtopic)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971223)

Ok, I use apt, but I am using fedora. Now I can imagine a couple of ways to do this, but is there an elegant solution already available for working with packages/repositories from different distributions?

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971252)

Hai,

This is Dr. Darkus Shin from mission control at JPL. It's true we been Debian fans and used that Operating system on every martian probe mission.

But recently due to an informative article from SCO ceo Mr. Darl McBride, we are influenced to try other operating systems.

Thus, there are two camps here on JPL, one the boy scouts camp running Apple's Operating System X and the other the Mars team running Gentoo GNU Linux.

Now, me I don't really know what the boys are doing up in their camp, we rarely hear much from them, but during late night we do hear a lot of celebrations and feasting. I do hope they would stop slaughtering the wild life.

And now since we are running Gentoo GNU Linux, the Debian way has been appricated (I'm sorry I'm dyslixc). The only sanatised way to do is is as follows (provided the enviornment varible JPL is not strange, in a quantum sense).

1. Make sure JPL is not strange.
2. Edit the kernel to make sure it knows what we are doing (thx to McBride for this).
3. Build the images from source by using

emerge mars-crap

Ok this would build it from source, it's optimized for the 8086 enviornment and should automatically launce Internet Explorer and show the pictures.

I hope you all build from source without downloading huge images. The source files are relatively small and use sophisticated imaging algorythems to guess the formations found on mars.

Dr. Darkus "Amaafui" Shin
Mission Control

--
"HI, my name is Darkus, if u r a lady who wants me, come click on the link to match.com, i'm waiting 4 u, i kiss u"

Mod the parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971261)

LOL, that was funny. I guess no one figured the grandfather post was by Debian troll.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971270)

Woah there moderators, that post was certainly not flamebait. Did you read the parent post of it (which was a troll post). I think Dr. Darkus is trying to point this out. I thought it was funny since it's so obvious.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (5, Informative)

Florian Weimer (88405) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971263)

The URL to add to your apt.sources file is aptsource.spirit.downloads.nasa.gov. To grab the latest image updates, just issue this at the command line: apt-get update nasa-spirit-images

This is a complete fake. Neither host nor domain exist, nor is the information sufficient to populate a sources.list (the file isn't even called apt.sources), and the apt-get update command doesn't accept a package name, either.

sigh

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971455)


At least you didn't find a gaping red hole.

I would call it a good day.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971269)

hahaha slashdot mods are quite stupid.

Re:Latest Mars images available thru apt-get (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971289)

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apt-get udtpae nasa-siprit-igames

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Shit... (4, Funny)

boomgopher (627124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971188)

I thought at first the subject said: "Mars Rover Rolls And Burns"

Re:Shit... (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971226)

Yeah, the headline is kind of confusing to those of us who know that we're still several hours away from rolling of any kind. When I saw the Rolls bit I suffered a brief pang of anxiety.

But a headline consisting of Mars Rover Turns wouldn't really be a headline, would it!

Re:Shit... (4, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971259)

I saw "Turns" okay, but my flight sim experience translated "Rolls" into something assuredly awful. :)

Re:Shit... (0)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971302)

No, if that was the case, this story would be a dupe referring to the Beagle2.

Re:Shit... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971362)

Considering the Martian atmosphere has 10^-7 oxygen molecules per square meter, I'd say the chances of anything burning there are pretty low.

Myself, I read it as the rover rolled onto its back. Like an SUV or something.

Mars rover, mars rover.. send water right over.

Re:Shit... (1)

jigyasubalak (308473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971538)

Seriously! The subject made me jump off my seat. For a moment it had me thinking that something was really wrong with the machine. Had to read this post before I regained my breath back. Relief!

Take it easy on our nerves... posters!

So humans... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971192)

... go to Mars for the untimate rock & roll experience? ;)

Raise Your Goblet of Rock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971211)

For those about to rock, we salute you.

linux at nasa (5, Interesting)

xk (64049) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971200)

Looks like they're using linux. Anyone know which GUI?

here [nasa.gov] is the image.

-bk.

Looks like Windows to me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971240)

Maybe if the Lunix community came up with an original GUI, it'd be more easily recognized.

Re:Looks like Windows to me (1)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971517)

Damn... Too bad I can't mod THAT up!

Re:linux at nasa (4, Insightful)

dmiller (581) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971283)

You mean "looks like they are using X" - it could easuly be BSD, Solaris or any other Unix-like OS.

Re:linux at nasa (1)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971310)

it looks like an older 1.2 version of gtk/gnome. something like off of rh6.x, or thereabouts. wonder if they whipped together the UI using glade. which would make pretty decent sense. writing the rendering part would be hard, but then they are just extending the GtkCanvas really. it's really not difficult programatically, it is tough mathematically. you have to kow fractals, etc. not 1st semester calculus, that's for sure.

Re:linux at nasa (4, Informative)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971450)

Viz [nasa.gov] runs on Unix, Linux, or Windows according to the site, so it could be any number of GUIs.

ignorant but curious... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971203)

Sorry if this is a stupid question.. But why does it take so long for things to retract, the rover to move, etc etc. Obviously they want to be careful since they can't very well say "oops. pick it up and let's try again", but it's taking days for it to just move off the pad..

Re:ignorant but curious... (0)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971237)

"it's taking days for it to just move off the pad"

Because it's like really good sex...why rush it!

Re:ignorant but curious... (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971373)

Actually scratch the sex bit - even though there is an analogy in there somewhere - but the why rush bit sticks.

Reasons why it takes so long (5, Interesting)

dekashizl (663505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971256)

But why does it take so long for things to retract, the rover to move, etc etc.

OK, this is a fair question. Here are four big reasons.

1. As soon as it disembarks, there are hundreds of new risk factors that come up. So they want to make sure that if anything fails (e.g. airbag catches a wheel and knocks it over, breaking off the high gain antenna), at least they've gotten something for their incredible effort.

2. They ARE conducting scientific experiments while it is safely on the lander. It is furthermore slightly elevated and able to take panoramic photos from a position it will not again regain when on ground level.

3. Getting off the lander is DELICATE. There is a ~10 minute communications lag, which means ~20 minutes to give a command and see the results. This means everything must be done very carefully and very cautiously to make sure each minor step went off perfectly.

4. If they did it quickly and something broke, every "genius" on the internet would be saying how stupid NASA was for rushing ahead and how they never get anything right and were just trying to get publicity and blah blah blah blah blah. So let them do it the right way so the mission is a success.

--
For news, status, updates, scientific info, images, video, and more, check out:
Mars Exploration Rover Highlights (AXCH) [axonchisel.net] .

Re:Reasons why it takes so long (4, Interesting)

cmacb (547347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971382)

Yeah I agree with parent. I'm glad they took lots of nice high resolution photos now, and even gathered some other data on temperatures, spectroscopy etc. rather than doing the risky business sooner. They in fact explained this at one of the press conferences. Having gotten past the riskiest part of the mission (the landing) they want to take advantage of that achievement while they can rather than proceeding with other risky maneuvers first. From here on out, every move, every pyro firing, and so on will potentially lead to dead air on their communications link.

If I were them I wouldn't want to take any more risks than necessary until after the second lander is safely down, and of course there is a significant chance that it will vanish and never be heard from just like the Beagle2. With all the work that went into this thing they have every right to be cautious.

Re:ignorant but curious... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971258)

Well, they have to do several other things at the same time.

Firstly, going through engineering logs sent from the lander/rover. Every move, every action has to be verified and checked to make sure all went to plan. You can't just rely on a camera for that. You need sensor feedback, etc.

Secondly, they have to survey the area to pick out possible travel routes and areas of interest.

Remember, before they landed they had a -general- idea of where the lander was going to end up, but could only verify and pinpoint it after it landed, with extensive imagery and surveying.

Re:ignorant but curious... (4, Interesting)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971368)

I think what the mission manager said summed it up pretty good: "brave, not stupid". Spaceflight.now [spaceflightnow.com]

Drivers ed. (5, Funny)

OgreFade (627705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971207)

At least at NASA the backseat drivers are qualified enough to give criticism.

If NASA failed this driving test it would be huge waste of resources. How could they ever live it down? Imagine the headline:

"Rover drives off the side of ramp, breaks off two wheels, and a solar panel."

And the story afterward!

"Felix Milton man in charge of rover navigation watched in horror as the picture feed reached earth. "The rover wheel slipped off the side of the ramp due to some... er.. martian dust," Milton reported. All in all the rover took a five meter trip, and then reported fell 25 cm to the unforgiving martian ground. NASA spokesmen report the trip took 8 agonizing minutes to reach its conclusion. "

Ahh well I hope its fun for them, expensive remote control toy if you ask me. I hope we get solid answers for the questions this project was sent to investigate.

Grandma (4, Funny)

ericdano (113424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971213)

Geeze, and I thought my Grandma's driving was slow. Perhaps if the Rover was using a hands-free cell phone attachment it could concentrate on driving more....

Re:Grandma (1)

jigyasubalak (308473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971529)

If it had been my kick-ass rover there, it'd have honked the sh*t outta that super-grampa rover called Spirit. Now, what kinda name is that for something so slow, for chris' sake.

Rolls over sounds like some kind of disaster (0)

j_dot_bomb (560211) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971219)

I didnt think the thing was acrobatic too.

Am I the only one? (0, Troll)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971222)

Seriously, call me when the rover is "on the ground" , trying to find signs of water.

Nothing that they are doing now, i.e. preparation for egress, really isn't news.

I'm tired of hearing that the rover has "moved 10 inches" on its pad or "turned" on its pad. What makes that "special".

Re:Am I the only one? (4, Insightful)

dekashizl (663505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971297)

These rover updates are BY FAR more newsworthy than the latest Scott Peterson updates that seem to come in every couple of days on nearly all major news outlets.

Updates on the progress of the rover are NEW, and they are NEWS. I completely understand if you don't find it interesting, but in that case why do you click on the headlines, read the stories, and post about them? Just ignore them.

--
For news, status, updates, scientific info, images, video, and more, check out:
Mars Exploration Rover Highlights (AXCH) [axonchisel.net] .

Re:Am I the only one? (-1, Troll)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971342)

These rover updates are BY FAR more newsworthy than the latest Scott Peterson updates

You forgot anything having to do with Michael Jackson.

If I need to know anything about Jackson, Jay Leno can tell me about it (and Scott Peterson for that matter).

I just do not consider the rover moving 10"/45 deg news. Just like I do not consider "course corrections" by the cassini probe news, or when the Hubble flips open/closes its door news. Or anything having to do with the International Space Station (as much as NASA tries).

When the probe starts meaningful sampling to find traces of water, that would be news.

You're irrelevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971391)

Because I do consider them news. Therefore they get posted.

Re:Am I the only one? (3, Interesting)

thelexx (237096) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971496)

As someone who has a few rc airplanes, I do find it newsworthy that it was actually able to move and complete a basic turn. Simply, it's the first time some its drive components are being tested. After its rolling and everything is _actually_ working ok, instead of just not being obviously broken and lighting up someones panel, then I'd agree and say it won't really be news until something breaks, gets discovered or the mission goes eol.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971329)

What makes that "special"

Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's that the rover is over 40 million miles away?

Re:Am I the only one? (0, Troll)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971349)


Anyway you look at it, it's still a glorified RC car.

Re:Am I the only one? (3, Funny)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971406)

If you had a glorified RC car that worked 40 million miles away, I'd be jealous.

Am I... (0, Redundant)

Vrallis (33290) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971228)

Am I the only person who started to mis-read that as 'The mars rover rolls over,' and suddenly felt their stomach hit the floor?

Re:Am I... (1)

aXis100 (690904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971300)

No, I too mis-read it that way, and felt my stomach drop.

What sort of sad geeks are we?

nice big ass picture (1)

tankdilla (652987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971229)

that 7 meg picture is pretty sweet, and bland, but cool bland.

Question.. (4, Interesting)

RALE007 (445837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971234)

The ground looks like it's been disturbed in the panoramic image [nasa.gov] from the website. A few locations, most notibly a little left of the "Northwest Hill 335.9 Azimuth 11.2 Kilometers" marking looks like it could've been caused by the rovers bouncing airbag landing. Anyone know for certain or can identify any terrain disturbed by the landing?

Yeah, well (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971253)

Shit happens, too fucking bad.

Re:Question.. (4, Funny)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971314)

It's possible the martian terrain has been disturbed by images of the goatse man. Nasa has it plastered on the surface of the rover to deter thiefs and martian ghosts.

So disgusting, even dirt crawls away.

Re:Ground disturbance (4, Interesting)

dekashizl (663505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971339)

There is the "Magic Carpet" which is the odd deformation of soil left after the airbag was retracted back under the lander to clear the way for the rover. This is right next to the lander.

Further out, there are numerous marks where the lander bounced during its landing stage and the airbags deformed the soil from impacts.

So basically, as far as I can tell, all the markings are from the airbag, either bouncing or scraping on the surface.

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For news, status, updates, scientific info, images, video, and more, check out:
Mars Exploration Rover Highlights (AXCH) [axonchisel.net] .

kilometers? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971343)

Why NASA writes "kilometers" instead of "km" is beyond me. After all these years they still speak metric like a second language. Hint: "kilo" replaces 3 zeros with 4 characters, it doesn't make things shorter.

Re:kilometers? (1)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971421)

wrong, "kilometers" is shorter than "1000 meters".

NASA writes "kilometers" instead of "km" because they are trying to target as wide of an audience as possible, and there still are many people in the US who have NO IDEA that "km" means "kilometer."

What happened to Beagle? (4, Informative)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971242)

In this story http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040113reconstr uction.html
It says that the atmosphere was much thinner than expected, because of a dust storm. NASA changed the chute to deploy earlier because of this, but even with this adjustment the chute opened a mile lower than expected. As far as I know Beagle's chute deployment was never adjusted for the thinner atmosphere, so maybe that explains why they haven't heard from it

Re:What happened to Beagle? (3, Funny)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971468)

That WOULD mean it really is "in a crater." So they were at least partly right.

The perils of creationism (4, Funny)

flopsy mopsalon (635863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971249)

I read this in a column on the internet:

"Kathy Sarvak of Burlington, Vt., points out that European Space Agency's "Beagle 2," named in honor of Charles Darwin's vessel, failed at Mars while NASA's "Spirit," with its quasi-religious name, succeeded. "God's sense of humor is a wonderful thing," she declares."

Personally, I am shocked and appalled that our NASA technicians are giving quasi-religious names to scientific equipment. This shows no faith in reason and deduction. It would not surprise me if the data from Spirit is cooked up by creationists in the Bush administration to shore up their own wacky beliefs.

I hope NASA's scientists use more common sense next time.

Re:The perils of creationism (-1)

eyeknowkungfu (687992) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971276)

Flopsy you are not the only one that is shocked, every day I grow less tolerant to ignorance.

Re:The perils of creationism (5, Interesting)

CHaN_316 (696929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971340)

Before you're shocked and appalled for NASA technicians giving quasi-religious names to scientific equipment, maybe you should read [planetary.org] how NASA came up with these names.

And I quote from the winning child's essay that named the rovers:

I used to live in an Orphanage.
It was dark and cold and lonely.
At night, I looked up at the sparkly sky and felt better.
I dreamed I could fly there.
In America, I can make all my dreams come true.....
Thank-you for the "Spirit" and the "Opportunity"

-Sofi Collis, age 9


Heaven forbid that NASA names the rovers after the things that make America great. Oops...probably shouldn't have mentioned Heaven :P

Re:The perils of creationism (-1, Offtopic)

troon (724114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971350)

I'm sorry? Since when has belief in God been exclusive to the Bush administration's creationists?

There is no firm evidence for the non-existence of God, and therefore the use of common sense one way or the other doesn't really come into it. Many people, myself included, are totally convinced that God exists (in one form or another), and a good scientific grounding does not put that belief into question in the slightest.

Maybe you should question why you are so hostile to people's beliefs...?

This isn't to say I agree with the implication that God deliberately destroyed Beagle 2 but ensured Spirit's success because of their names.

Re:The perils of creationism (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971474)

Maybe you should question why you are so hostile to people's beliefs...?

Because religion has caused and is still causing most of the suffering and pain in the world today.

Human history is nothing but a great big bloodbath "for the glory of the God".

Re:The perils of creationism (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971515)

Natural resources, colonialism, racial and ethnic intolerance, famine, etc. are also all causes of pain and suffering and war. Religion is not a major driving cause in any of these cases.

Just because it makes you feel better to point the finger at something you are not a part of, doesn't make you right.

Religious intolerance (something you appear to exhibit) has been the cause of war more often than religion itself has.

Re:The perils of creationism (2, Interesting)

bonzomcgrue (719128) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971486)

Here are the definitions of spirit [reference.com] . I've never thought of it as necessarily quasi-religious.

Darnit! (0)

graveyardduckx (735761) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971255)

I read the topic and thought it rolled off the edge of the ramp. Wouldn't that suck for NASA? Seriously though, this reminds me of the parents of a newborn, video taping every waking moment of it's life and making a big deal about it's first steps... next thing you know it's going to be getting speeding tickets and brought home by the intergalatic space patrol.

More: Mars Exploration Rover Highlights (AXCH) (4, Informative)

dekashizl (663505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971264)

For news, status, updates, scientific info, images, video, and more, check out:
Mars Exploration Rover Highlights (AXCH) [axonchisel.net] .

It takes time (-1, Flamebait)

topics (305646) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971306)

It takes a long time to get the rover off because the working day is only 5 minutes long.

JPL employees spend the rest of the time simulating there departure and tommorrow's arrival in the JPL carpark.

To increase the amount of work achieved in a day. New watches have been issued to increase the hours in a day.

Spammers Using Mars Rover as Relay (5, Funny)

odeee (741339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971309)

Spammers Using Mars Rover as Relay [bbspot.com]


"NASA engineers first became aware the issue when the images of the Martian landscape from the pancam started to resemble hot young girls"br>
...

"NASA promised to track down the people responsible. "Please send to us any spam you receive originating from the '@spirit.mars' address, so we can track down the offending spammers. Don't forget to include the pictures too,"

Don't Be Alarmed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971327)

I am the Bishop of East Anglia

WTF? The most useless software evar!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971467)

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Oh wow the world is going on a big road trip. (1)

TheNarrator (200498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971335)

Isn't it neat. The whole world is going on a roadtrip around mars. It's like the whole planet is getting towed along behind the rover :).

BigTrak! (2, Funny)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971347)

Pfft, I was doing [lancs.ac.uk] this sort of stuff years ago on my BigTrak [robotprojects.com]

I scanned that as "Mars Rover Rolls Over on Turn" (1)

Excarnate (453613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971377)


Good adrenaline rush, though!

Roll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971433)

And was the message "roll over Red Rover"?

Re:Roll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7971452)

"Red rocket! Red rocket!"

Watch out the count (1)

Swai (678004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971446)

If the count reaches 10 is a technical K.O. (knock out).

aut0tr0ll is teh sp0kE!? (-1)

CHECKTHEGOATS (735227) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971507)

Hello master.

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formkey=oRbheUYK8a

This is a joint venture that will be mutually advantageous to both parties involved.

Render wrong in Mozilla (0, Offtopic)

hey (83763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7971511)

That MSNBC page rendering wrong in Mozilla 1.5 on NT for me. There a big chunk of white on the right where I assume the article is supposed to be. The article is found down at the bottom. Its been a long time since a page didn't render correctly in Moz. Is MS being bad?
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