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Walking Through SkyOS 5.0 Beta

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the shades-of-atheos dept.

Operating Systems 311

Hexydes writes "TechIMO has published the first preview of the next-generation SkyOS platform. The article includes a first-look at what users can expect in the next version of SkyOS, a review of how development has progressed from previous versions, and many screenshots." SkyOS is a free operating system for x86 systems; it looks very polished for being "mainly (99.9%) a one man project."

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Need the "sun"... (-1, Offtopic)

HoxBox (670161) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973312)

This assumes that geeks actually spend time with natural photons....

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973314)

FP!

Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (-1, Redundant)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973334)

Just as the subject says, has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? If so, any luck?

Re:Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973348)

if you would have read the article you would know part of the review was done with VMWARE.

Re:Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (-1, Offtopic)

Sh0t (607838) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973734)

Here is an explaination of the what I was talking about using the OFFICIAL WEBSITES OF THE FED AND THE TREASURY FOR INFORMATION
Privates Murphy and Blackguy go to the bank....
Let's remove the basic fraud creating section of the deficit of the united states being monetized.
Let's start with a very simple illustration and allow me to try and pique your interests.
Pretend I start the 782 Gear Savings and Loan, hereby known as Deuce Bank

I open my doors, and lo and behold here comes a customer, PFC. Murphy ready to deposit 1000 dollars(or pebbles or beer cans or whatever, this is totally arbitrary)

I take his dollars and give him a receipt for 1000 dollars
The books are as follows:
Deuce Bank: Assets: 1000 Liabilities: 1000
Pvt. Murphy's account shows: 1000
The books are balanced because the Bank has a liability of 1000 dollars, Murphy's receipt/bankbook and an asset of 1000 dollars, Murphy's money.

Pvt Murphy tells his friend, the black dude from the comic and he comes to deposit his money and also deposits 1000 dollars into Deuce Bank.

the books are now:
Deuce Bank: Assets: 2000 Liabilities: 2000
Pvt Murphy's Account: 1000
Pvt Blackguy's Account: 1000
Books are balanced.

This is where the scam begins.
The bank decides, hmmm, it takes a long time to wait a whole year(or whatever billing period) to charge these guys for holding there money. Say a 50 dollar fee per year. You've experinced this if your accounts were below the fee cut off.

So, since this is a SAVINGS and LOAN, the bank decides to embark on the other half of the name and start loaning money.

There is a rule saying banks MUST kept 10percent of all assets liquid in the bank. Keep this in Mind.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolic y/reser vereq.htm

So at current the bank has 2000 in assets. If it follows the rule, it can loan out 1800 dollars, keeping 200 bucks in house in case murphy or blackguy want to draw some out of their account and take their girlfriends out to eat.

Soon, a crusty SNCO comes in and wants to get a loan so he can buy a gas powered calculated to keep track of the amount of pushups Murphy and Blackguy owe him and the other ncos. The bank officer looks over the SNCOs finances and decides he's a good candidate for a loan and viola, the loan is granted(we'll leave out interest to keep the math simple, it reall won't matter as you'll see)

So let's take a look at the books

Deuce Bank: Assets 200 Liabilities: 2000

Pvt Murphy: 1000
Pvt: Blackguy 1000
SNCO: 800 asset(the borrow money) Liabilities: 800(he has to pay it back)

Hmm.
Something odd has happened.
Murphy, Blackhguy and SNCO all have 1000 dollars (on record) to spend.
Yet, nowhere was another 1000 dollars deposited to account for all 2800 dollars
The Bank still owes Murphy and Blackguy their 1000 dollars respectively, but only has 200 dollars in assets after loaning SNCO 800.

Next day, SNCO buys the gas powered calculator and now remembers every pushup, mountain climber and 8-count bodybuilder that Murphy and Blackguy owe.
After a long day of PT and IADs, the pair decide to go get some beers. Before heading to the bar, they stop by the bank to withdraw some cash.
Murphy goes first, withdraws 150 dollars.
Let's look at the books:

Deuce Bank: Assets 50 Liabilities: 1850

Pvt Murphy: 850
Pvt: Blackguy 1000
SNCO: 800 asset(the borrow money) Liabilities: 800(he has to pay it back)

Murph has his money and now Blackguy steps up to the tellar and asks to also withdraw 150 dollars.
Ut ohes.
The bank doesn't HAVE 150 dollars to give Blackguy.

What happened here?
Basically the bank loaned out most of the privates money hoping they would never take out more at one time than the 10% reserve they keep.

The situation we have illustrated is a microcosm of what is known as a BANK RUN.

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Since this is only a simulation, we can pretend the paratroopers here are smart and ask "What does this FDIC thing mean guranteeing up to 100k in deposits?"

The bank teller smiles and says, "That gurantees your deposist sir, just give us a few days to fill our reserves"

Here we arrive at the second level of this scam and more important, we arrive at the involvement of the banks and the federal government.

Deuce bank is now in the hole and needs an infusion of money to cover it's liabilities.

It is worth noting that if this were to happen to ANY OTHER ENTITY ( a company, YOU or I) the government would liquidate our assets and then use that to pay our creditors. Ie if SNCO can't pay his loan, they will take away the gas powered calculator and maybe his house if he used that as collateral. Keep this in mind.

Unlike mere mortals, the banks are above such punish and receive money to cover it's liability in the form of a loan from the Federal Reserve Bank(in reality this is a multi tiered process, ie district banks, but for the sake of expediency, lets simplify). The Fed reserve bank loans Deuce Bank 2000 dollars to cover it's liability and a bit more to provide it with a reserve cushion.

Deuce Bank: Assets 200 Liabilities: 2000(owes the fed)

Pvt Murphy: 1000
Pvt: Blackguy 1000
SNCO: 800 asset(the borrow money) Liabilities: 800(he has to pay it back)

It is worth noting at this point, some people who are uninformed into this system will try to use the IOU(the promise of SNCO to pay) as an asset.
IT IS NOT.
However, the illusion that an IOU is an asset is the very premise of our monetary system. Keep this mind.

Everything is fine and good now at Fort Bending. Over the next few days, the FDIC "insurance" gave Murphy and Blackguy all their money and kept the Deuce bank solvant.

Sounds like a great system right? Deposits are insured against the situation above, everybody seems happy?
What could possible be wrong.

Well let's just take a look at the Federal Reserve Bank, which loaned out the money to save the Deuce Bank.

It too has deposits which it uses as assets, keeping in reserve, the same ratio of member banks, 1/10.

STill sounds like a great system right? A power central bank to gurantee the deposits of member banks, providing a safe secure method of banking in the united states.

Sure!

But because I am always stuck in OODA loops, I must ask, where does the fed get the money it loans out?

Using it's own very handsome website, we are informed:

"The income of the Federal Reserve System is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations."

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faq.htm

Wow that sounds powerful. The primary income for this bank is on the interest (just like your mortgages interest, credit cards or your car loans) of US government securities.
What exactly is a US gov security and what is a open market operation?
The fed tells us!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/
http://w ww.federalreserve.gov/fomc/default.htm
http://www .federalreserve.gov/fomc/fundsrate.htm

"Open market operations--purchases and sales of U.S. Treasury and federal agency securities--are the Federal Reserve's principal tool for implementing monetary policy."

Aha.

Hmm, what exactly is a US Treasury/Fed Agency security?

Well Let's ask the US Treasury itself what a US treasury Security is.

"The national debt or public debt is a direct liability of the United States Government. Payments of principal and interest on all public debt securities receive backing by the full faith and credit of the United States Government. By law, amounts for payment of interest on the public debt are available automatically without annual appropriation actions by the Congress. For these reasons, U.S. Government securities are considered the safest financial investment in the world."

"Under the authority of the Second Liberty Bond Act, as amended, the U.S. Government borrows money by issuing Treasury securities to finance expenditures that exceed its receipts"
http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/mark ets/nationa l-debt.html

For the record, exceeding it's receipts means a budget in deficit.

Thanks for the answer, Treasury website!

So now we know, a US Treasury security is the US government borrowing money and issuing a promise to pay.

Cool!.

So now we know the Federal Reserve Bank makes the majority of it's money on the interest of the US government borrowing money and issuing a promise to pay(security).

Hmm.
Does this sound weird?
The Primary source of income of the primary lender to the united states(buys bonds) is the interest on the US government borrowing money and issuing a promise to pay(security).

Does this sound even weirder?

Well let's go back up to that "finance expenditures that exceed its receipts" aka deficit.

"Many people do not realize that when the Federal Government runs a deficit, it does not create money for itself to make up the difference. The Government finances the budget debt by issuing and selling bonds to the public. In addition, the Treasury Department does not print money to cover budget deficits. You may be interested to know that the only types of money that the United States issues directly through the Treasury Department are United States notes and United States coinage. While the Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) produces Federal Reserve notes, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System issues them into circulation. The vast majority of currency notes in circulation today are Federal Reserve notes. In short, the Federal Reserve Board has primary responsibility for the control of the Nation's money supply, whether there is a budget deficit or not"
http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/markets/n ationa l-debt.html#q6

Awesome information

But I wonder, what is the ROLE of the Federal Reserve Bank.

"The Federal Reserve, the central bank of the United States, was founded by Congress in 1913 to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system.

Today the Federal Reserve's duties fall into four general areas: (1) conducting the nation's monetary policy; (2) supervising and regulating banking institutions and protecting the credit rights of consumers; (3) maintaining the stability of the financial system; and (4) providing certain financial services to the U.S. government, the public, financial institutions, and foreign official institutions. "

http://www.federalreserve.gov/

Cool.
So now we know the Federal Reserve is supposed to provide the US with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system.

But wait.
The fed makes money we learned earlier correct? So obviously, not only does it give us a stable monetary system, it makes money too. What an efficient machine.
Let's examine once again how it makes money.

"The income of the Federal Reserve System is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations."

NIce.

It makes money on the interest of the securities the government issues to cover the deficit.

Whoa.

Something is odd here

Let's go back to the treasury

"The Treasury Department is concerned about the need to reduce the Federal debt. The Treasury Department issues debt to the public to finance Federal deficits. Consequently, debt reduction can occur only when Federal outlays do not exceed Federal receipts. While the size of the public debt in nominal dollars is at an all-time high, it is not near historic highs in relation to our economy's size. The power to appropriate lies with the Legislative, not the Executive Branch of the Government. Our Bureau of the Public Debt is responsible for the operational aspects of financing the debt, and as such does not formulate budget policy. While the arithmetic of reducing the outstanding debt is simple, the policy choices to achieve a budget surplus are not."

The Treasury Dept says it is concerned about the need to reduce the federal debt.
Yet running at a deficit only increases the debt.

However the Federal Reserve Bank makes the majority of it's money on the interest of the debt of the United States Government, ie the interest on securities.

Something is in conflict here.

Howeverm let's just take it that hte government knows what it's doing and examine what happens to that income once it's In the Fed.
Exciting stuff!

Like the Duece Bank, the federal reserve bank only keeps a 1/10 reserve of the money it makes from that interst in the back at one time.
The rest it loans out.

However as we have shown in the Paratrooper/ Deuce Bank scenario, fractional reserves of this type are disasters waiting to happen.
To prevent that from happening, the Federal Reserve must keep a steady flow into it's account so it will never become insolvent.

And we have already shown that the main source of it's income is the debt of the united states government.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faq.htm#frsq3

"The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."
"Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government."

Hmm. We have shown it makes money on the debt of the government.
We have also shown the US Treasury is concerned with the debt of the government.

Sounds like a paradox to me.
Or somebody's lying.

"The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

The earnings of the Federal Reserve System come primarily from interest received on the Reserve Banks' holdings of U.S. government securities (which are used in the conduct of monetary policy) and from fees they charge depository institutions for providing services (such as processing and clearing checks)."

Once again the fed tells us it's primary earnings come from the interest of holding US gov DEBT(securities).

So what's going on?

" For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System."

Ok so now we know the federal reserve banks issue stock to member banks.
The reserve banks are not operated for profit. However, the reserve bank loans money to member banks. Aka the Deuce Bank in our Paratrooper example.

And those member banks use the money loaned to it by the fed(either by discount window or FDIC mechanism).

And once the money is in those banks, they keep a 1/10 reserve and then they loan out the money.
And then make money on the interest.
And we have shown that fractional reserve banking is a fraud.

So thsoe banks no doubt become insolvent, unless they get a loan from the fed to keep them solvant.
And to make sure the fed has enough money in it's accounts(to loan these member banks who need loans to remain solvants), it has to receive it's primary source of income:

"The income of the Federal Reserve System is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations."

Welcome to Serdom citizens of the United States.

Take thsi knowledge and ask questions.

even if peolpe don't OWN stock in the reserve banks, people OWN those member banks, like the Deuce Bank in our example.
Therefore they own the federal banks.
And the primary source of income for the federal banks is the DEBT of the United States Government.

And as we've shown in our paratrooper example, fractional money lending leads to more money in circulation than assets(the 2000 deposits, versus the 2000 in account receipts and the 800 dollars loaned to the SNCO), along with being a fraud.

More money in circulation than assets = more dollars than wealth
WHat happens when you have 2800 dollars in dollars circulating, as in our example, but only 2000 dollars worth of real wealthy?
A process called inflation which drives the VALUE of those 2800 dollar bills to match the 2000 dollars of real wealth.

Which means the government, by financing the federal reserve banks through debts, creates this inflation.
And remember, the Federal reserve BUYS this debt from the federal government with THE INTEREST FROM THE DEBT OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT(primary source of income remember?)
And how does the government get it's money?
By taxing you.

Welcome to Serfdom.

If you See the hoax in this, please please PASS THIS OWN TO OTHER UNINFORMED CITIZENS(other serfs)
IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, PASS THIS ON
IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, PASS THIS ON.

Remember all those policies the government spends money on? They all add up to a budget deficit.
And who makes money on this budget deficit? The instution that gets it's primary income in the form of the inerest of the debt of the united states government.

YOUR CURIOUS IS FOUNDED, THIS IS A SCAM.

SEE CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL, of Texas:
http://www.house.gov/paul/

He has legislated to ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK FOR YEARS.
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49. H.R.2778 : To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 7/17/2003) Cosponsors: (none)
Committees: House Financial Services
Latest Major Action: 8/4/2003 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology.
---------
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi- bin/bdquery/D?d108:49:./ temp/~bdfGgE::|/bss/d108query.html|

WE MUST ABOLISH THE FED.
WRITE RON PAUL
PUSH RON PAUL TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SO HE CAN ABOLISH THIS DISGUSTING instutiton:

Read the "Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edwards Griffin To learn the history of this institution

REMEMBER THIS FACT:
In 1913 we Got BOTH THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK AND THE INCOME TAX AMENDMENT

THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT.

SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR THE REAL INFORMATON!!!

I LOVE YOU MY COUNTRYMEN AND MY COUNTRY, SO WE MUST ACT TOGETHER IN OUR COMMON INTEREST.

DISTRIBUTE THIS ARTICLE

http://www.sh0t.com/inflation_communism.txt

http://www.sh0t.com/pillars_of_freedom.html

Timothy T. Jones.
San Diego, California

http://www.sh0t.com/inflation_communism.txt

http://www.sh0t.com/pillars_of_freedom.html

Re:Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (5, Informative)

Sklivvz (167003) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973365)

Basically RTFA! The whole test is done with VMWARE... also the screenshots are done using that.

Re:Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (1)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973419)

sorry, the review site is slashdotted (i did try!)

Ob. Joke (5, Funny)

sohp (22984) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973336)

Please tell me that that IP stack on this thing is not called SkyNET.

Re:Ob. Joke (5, Funny)

ooby (729259) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973363)

Silly, it doesn't use IP. It runs on a neural network. It's a learning OS.

Re:Ob. Joke (1)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973364)

Please tell me that that IP stack on this thing is not called SkyNET.

No, it's called the 'IP stack'... Thanks for playing...

Re:Ob. Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973614)

you just don't get it...or you just suck...or you think your funny but your not...or you've been up to long...or maybe your rents wouldn't let you watch R Rated movies...your so dry you must work for M$

Re:Ob. Joke (5, Funny)

Samus (1382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973431)

SkyNet won't come around until .NET is ported to SkyOS. Then we all have to worry as the 5 machines that are running this os try to take over the world. Or something like that.

Re:Ob. Joke (2, Interesting)

bdejong (312792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973463)

Actualy, we have an ISP in belgium called Skynet.
Scares me everytime I hear their name ;-)

=> http://www.skynet.be/ [skynet.be]

Re:Ob. Joke (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973638)

I would have expected Skynet to be what they would call the network that manages traffic control for sky-based personal transport vehicles once approved skyways are in place.

Never thought (-1, Offtopic)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973338)

I never would have thought, i would live to see the day when slashdot copies articles from osnews.com. Sigh

Re:Never thought (1)

PFee (741018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973384)

Well maybe they should have copied it. Looks like it's been /.d Can someone post a copy?

Re:Never thought (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973392)

It became quite feasible when Taco and a few others became such Apple fanboys. Where else to go to get news that matters to Apple zealots than OSSnooze?

As opposed to copying names? (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973455)

Unless you claim you came up with that name first ...

bigot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973621)

do you have some problem with people from the middle east?

what is this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973340)

some other useless Lunix distribution?

oh my god just pooped my pants (-1, Troll)

CreamOfWheat (593775) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973341)

damn tan khakis now everyone will know...oh the smell ughh oh no dribbling down my legs what should i do?

Re:oh my god just pooped my pants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973371)

Videotape it and see it in Japan, you'll be a millionaire, since they like that kind of crap (pun intended).

Re:oh my god just pooped my pants (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973383)

you should be wearing 'oops I crapped my pants' brand adult diapers

TEXAS HOT PLATE'S ON ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973538)

mmmmm good.

hobby os (5, Interesting)

wed128 (722152) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973342)

With no clear advantage over other free unixes, why is this hobbyOS getting so much attention? i tried a beta disc a few months back, and i didn't see anything special...i mean, a one man OS is impressive, but i can't see anyone actually using it...

Re:hobby os (2, Interesting)

slimak (593319) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973399)

I have to agree -- there is no garuntee that SkyOS will remain (and be current) in say 3 years, but it seems likely that RedHat, Mandrake, etc will -- and almost positively Debian due to this [slashdot.org]

Re:hobby os (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973685)

I have to agree -- there is no garuntee that SkyOS will remain (and be current) in say 3 years, but it seems likely that RedHat, Mandrake, etc will -- and almost positively Debian due to this

I can believe Debian will still be around in even 20 years, but Red Hat and Mandrake will likely fade away after their companies go out of business. That's the flaw in using commercial Linux distributions. If the shareholders decide they want to get out of the Linux business and sell their assets to Microsoft you're shit out of luck. That's one of the reasons I love Debian.

Re:hobby os (5, Insightful)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973408)

"With no clear advantage over other free unixes, [like Linux?] why is this hobbyOS getting so much attention? i tried a beta disc a few months back, and i didn't see anything special...i mean, a one man OS is impressive, [see Linus Torvalds] but i can't see anyone actually using it...[like everyone uses linux now?]"

Not trying to blow your argument out of the water, but do you have to immediately assume that there is no use for this because you can't find one? Gee, if nobody else uses my web portal software, why should I bother to develop and release it, too? Maybe I should just give up programming cuz nobody will ever see a use for it. I think it's great that someone can find a hobby, stick with it, and share it with everyone else.

Re:hobby os (2, Insightful)

benja (623818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973486)

I think the question was not, why should somebody work on a one-person OS in their spare time (kudos to them), but why should it be posted on the /. frontpage? Seems reasonable to me to ask, "Why would people use it?"

Re:hobby os (4, Insightful)

Alric (58756) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973568)

Your point is valid but not a rebuttal to his statement. He is questioning why this specific OS, out of the myriad hobby systems, is getting so much attention. He is yearning for knowledge of what qualities distinguish SkyOS from the pack to the degree that it should be repeatedly highlighted on Slashdot.

He is NOT questioning why somebody would develop this. He is NOT saying there is no use. He merely wants to know what makes SkyOS special.

Maybe you should actually read posts before trying to make clever responses.

I don't mind seeing spots on SkyOS; I just wish other hobby systems were highlighted also. It reminds me of an earlier Slashdot.

Re:hobby os (1)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973675)

One of the things I think make it special is that it is written by an ex-BeOS developer. At least I *think* that is true, but now that the site is slashdotted I can't verify that.

Re:hobby os (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973717)

I think you're confused. There is NewOS, which is written by an ex-BeOS developer and is the kernel being used by the OpenBeOS project. You could be thinking of AtheOS, which wasn't written by an ex-BeOS developer but a lot of people seemed to think it was. You're definitely not thinking of SkyOS, which is not written by an ex-BeOS developer.

Re:hobby os (5, Insightful)

finkployd (12902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973492)

Linux was once the same way. People doing stuff like this (imho) is what pushes the computing world further. There may not be a real good production use for it now, but who knows what will happen in the future. 10 years from now we might be talking about another hobby OS and asking what benefits it would offer over SkyOS? :)

The reason it gets so much attention is that people are now convinced that hobby OSs can actually become more.

Finkployd

Re:hobby os (2, Insightful)

fredrikj (629833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973509)

With no clear advantage over other free unixes, why is this hobbyOS getting so much attention? i tried a beta disc a few months back, and i didn't see anything special...i mean, a one man OS is impressive, but i can't see anyone actually using it...

In the light of some dozen retarded case mod articles each year on Slashdot, this doesn't bother me at all.

Yes Hobby OS (4, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973583)

Reminds me of another "hobby OS" I ran into circa 1991 also developed by a single person. What was his name ..Linuz something. Ah yes Linuz Torousveld. Wonder what happened with that OS?

Re:Yes Hobby OS (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973652)

SkyOS won't ever 'blossom' as Linux has because the guy who is writing it doesn't release source and is quite adamant about never releasing the source freely/publicly.

Re:Yes Hobby OS (1)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973697)

Kind of like Windows "doesn't" release source code and is/was adamant about not releasing it?

Maybe it will blossom in a different way...

Re:Yes Hobby OS (1)

drakaan (688386) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973715)

Linuz Torousveld...he was the inventor of Linouex, right?

Re:hobby os (1)

schuster (39361) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973629)

I have to agree. The project is impressive, but what advantages does/will it actually bring? According to the article, the file manager looks and behaves like windows explorer- just like all the other free Linux GUIs. So from the user's perspective, what advantages do SkyOS (and by extension, KDE and GNOME) bring?

Re:hobby os (1)

jasonbowen (683345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973691)

Good thing people didn't think like you with regards to Linux back when it was young.

For something small.. (1)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973345)

It looks very impressive with the sheer amount of work that has gone into it but I can't help but thinking apart from geek value why? The about page doesn't seem to give huge amounts of insight

Re:For something small.. (4, Informative)

p4ul13 (560810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973449)

I guess if one man can show people a fully functional OS that he wrote pretty much on his own, he could definitly land any programming job he wanted. Maybe it's to build a nifty portfolio. Maybe it's intended to make a couple extra bucks (seems he's managed to sell some copies to developers). Maybe it is jus to see if he could do it.

Would you or I do this? Probably not (I know I wouldn't), but I'll give this dude credit for what he has done here.

One man show? (1)

mr_luc (413048) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973530)

See, they SAY that they know it's a one-man show. But then they go and slashdot his one-hamster web server! :(

[OT] Your company is called VPS _Colo_ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973540)

But nowhere on the site does it say that I can, say, give you a 1U box and you stick it in your rack and host it for me. So what's up? Do you offer server hosting? Also where is your datacenter located?

It looks like a good project and all... (-1, Offtopic)

sahonen (680948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973347)

But do we REALLY need another OS? I mean, it's hard enough getting Linux on the desktop, what about something even less known than that? Especially one that seems to be designed specifically to run only on the x86 architecture.

Re:It looks like a good project and all... (4, Interesting)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973441)

Yes, it is hard enough to get Linux on the desktop. First, this isn't Linux. It's like it just like it's like all the other unices. The entire thing is written from scratch. Including the windowing system and all the GUI stuff. It is not compatible with Linux either. However, they are working on a Linux emulation program.

Anyway, the reason this thing is good is because it looks good. I think the menu has icons that are a bit large and all, but otherwise it looks very nice. There are other Linux distros that look very nice as well, but they are difficult to install for someone that hasn't used Linux before. Of course, it would be best to install an OS without a 50 page manual. So, therefore we eliminate quite a few of the best linux distros. The Linux distros that are super easy to isntall generally end up running KDE or Gnome by default, which are slow. If SkyOS is what it is, then the GUI will be faster and more intuitive.

I look forward to seeing how it all works out, and if I can find my 3GB hdd somewhere, I will install it and play with it - though it'll be hard to beat the speed of my fluxbox, but this one sure looks a hell of a lot better.

Oh, and unlike some of the "out-of-the-box" linux distros...this one is completely free.

Re:It looks like a good project and all... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973542)

But do we REALLY need another OS? I mean, it's hard enough getting Linux on the desktop, what about something even less known than that? Especially one that seems to be designed specifically to run only on the x86 architecture.
Some people don't have an agenda of "getting [my favourite OS] onto [other peoples'] desktops". Some people create things because they can, just the way other people climb mountains because they can. I feel sorry for the SkyOS people getting attention from slashdot, because it will get undeservedly slagged by large numbers of Linux bigots. OSNews is the right place for info about alternative operating systems because on Slashdot, there are only one or two "acceptable" or "worthwhile" OSes, supported by a political agenda. Would there be a Linux today if, 10 years ago, everyone had said "do we really need another x86 OS"? Some seriously closed minds around these parts. Sorry, but it's true. Not everyone, but a lot.

Screen shot (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973358)

Screen shot [66.90.81.8]

WArning! screenshot of goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973453)

It's a screenshot of SkyOS running a web browser of http://www.goatse.cx!

I've got to admit, the font rendering in SkyOS is very good, though.

Re:WArning! screenshot of goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973464)

Wow, really? I'm impressed that he got the web browser to work and run long enough to get Goatse.cx to load!

Re:WArning! screenshot of goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

fracex (591622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973599)

It's a screenshot of SkyOS running a web browser of http://www.goatse.cx!

Oh, GOD... thank you. I was very close to loading that. It's at times like this that I'm glad I have a dial-up connection. Horrible pictures load a hell of a lot slower.

Re:WArning! screenshot of goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

bubkus_jones (561139) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973651)

Hell, the things moving like frozem molasses on my (usually 200 KByte/s and up) cable connection

Windows syndrome. (2, Interesting)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973628)

Why there is always somebody that comes with a screenshot when here is an announcement about a fscking Operating System?

I would be more interested in talking about the internals, not the eye candy (which is not part of the OS in any serious OS anyway).

Filing this under... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973390)

the who gives a wank category. Puhlease.

Just what I need (-1, Redundant)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973395)

I've been looking all over for YET ANOTHER small OS & GUI. Geez, I mean, I'm sure these are cool projects to work on and everything, but like AtheOS and others, it's simply a small OS with very little real support.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to disparage the people working on this. I've done plenty of my own projects that will go nowhere. Should I start dragging them out so Slashdot can run stories on them?

Re:Just what I need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973427)

Linux distributions outnumber "hobby" operating systems like SkyOS & Syllable by almost 10 to one. Why do people complain about "Yet another OS" yet seem to believe that 2^64 Linux distributions (All slightly different) is just fine and dandy? I don't get it. Really, I don't.

Re:Just what I need (4, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973474)

Okay, come on... there is value to other OS projects, yes, linux is the big thing, and everyone should concentrate on it, yadda, yadda...

But, if people don't do other small OS's, or even dead end crazy projects, then a lot of stuff could be missed. For example if I'm going to write an OS, then I'd have to worry about a bootloader... Now let's say I write one from scratch... Great, a total waste, as me and maybe 4 other people on the planet will ever use it... But if LILO (or whatever the latest bootloader for Linux is), would have a problem, it's quite possible that my bootloader may have a fix for it, and then the experience gained from writing my own useless OS, would pay off by being used to fix the current popular OS.

And posting about these projects on slashdot may be what is required to get enough attention that someone examines it's functionality, and discovers that the useless project has something working, that their project does not...

Re:Just what I need (2, Insightful)

TiggsPanther (611974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973483)

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to disparage the people working on this. I've done plenty of my own projects that will go nowhere. Should I start dragging them out so Slashdot can run stories on them?

Only if you want to stress-test your webserver. =^.^=

In all seriousness, though, it depends on the project. If it's something that you feel will go nowhere but would be useful if it went somewhere (and you feel you have the bandwidth to cope) then why not?
The worst that can happen is that the editors will reject your article.

Tiggs

hmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973398)

a one-man project in his spare time is more polished than the turd all you open sores hippies call gnome? Say it ain't so, joe!

From the shades-of-atheos dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973400)

That'd be Syllable [sourceforge.net] . Syllable is cooler than SkyOS anyway...

For x86?? (3, Interesting)

earplug (465622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973416)

It seems that x86 is on its way out the door, and 64bit is on its way in.

Is there a 64bit solution in development, or is this yet another project to keep our old hardware useful?

Re:For x86?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973461)

is there any reason why you're opposing x86 and 64 bits ?
is there any place where you've seen things such as x86==32bits or x86==16bits or x86==8bits ?

Re:For x86?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973669)

But it's not gone yet, is it? I mean, people are still using Windows 98, after all. My company just recently got rid of several Pentium 166 machines they were making people use. Yes, that's right, only three digits in that CPU speed.

Anyone got a mirror to the fullsize images? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973420)

They keep timing out on me...

Re:Anyone got a mirror to the fullsize images? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973448)

here you go [terrato.org]

Re:Anyone got a mirror to the fullsize images? (0, Offtopic)

spickus (513249) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973499)

Very creative goatse troll.

Re:Anyone got a mirror to the fullsize images? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973598)

dont you have anything better to do than reply "GOATSE TROLL!!1!" to every good link?

Re:Anyone got a mirror to the fullsize images? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973622)

nice link Anonymous Troll

hmmm (1)

rogabean (741411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973426)

just as the debian tool's link from earlier, it seems these links have went down already too? /sigh oh well guess i'll wait till later to take a peek.

Hardware (5, Funny)

sonoluminescence (709395) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973432)

The minimum requirments are a pentium and 32MB of RAM.... And from the load time of the web page I think that web server is running on a that exact hardware.

Re:Hardware (1)

fbg111 (529550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973716)

It must have been slashdotted by the firstposter.

Summary of posts, present and future (4, Funny)

haggar (72771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973442)

30% will say "Who needs another OS when we have Linux."
25% will say "Why another OS project? He should rather concentrate on MySQL/fishing/stamp collection"
25% will say "So what, it's his damn time, he can do what the pleases."
25% will say "HA! You can't even do math! 30+25+25+25 != 100"

Re:Summary of posts, present and future (5, Funny)

p4ul13 (560810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973520)

25% will say "HA! You can't even do math! 30+25+25+25 != 100"

Some might say that, but I'll simply thank you for giving %105 to us, the slashdot community.

Thanks Haggar, you're an example to us all.

Re:Summary of posts, present and future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973593)

HA! You can't even do math! 30+25+25+25 != 100

Re:Summary of posts, present and future (0)

JeremyALogan (622913) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973607)

wait... that isn't right? damned windows calculator

I have two problems (4, Interesting)

msuzio (3104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973458)

I see a couple "problems" (well, OK, they're just gripes of mine, so take that for what it's worth):

1) It's not free-as-in-speech. I take a dimmer view of projects that aren't open and have already taken a firm stand that they will *never* be open. Coupling this with some allegations of *possible* GPL violations (which were covered in the last SkyOS story), and it just gives me a bad feeling

2) I just don't see anything here to get excited about. Kudos to the author for doing this all on his own, that's great... but without something new and exciting to offer, it's just a toy project at best. I'd rather see innovative minds like this throw their weight behind projects that we do need (like better Linux games <g>).

Mirror (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973460)

The server is running slow so here is a mirror. Pasted Anonymously so as to not karma whore:
Many would say "thinking outside the box" is an overused cliche, but the developers with the SkyOS project would be the first to challenge such an assumption. Spearheaded by Robert Szeleney, the group of part-time coders is furiously hacking away at producing an operating system with one of the most intuitive graphical user interfaces ever. Gone are misconceptions about conformance. SkyOS serves as a reminder to GUI developers that the current status quo will only suffice for so long.

About SkyOS

SkyOS started life in 1996 as a small operating system project written from scratch for the x86 architecture. As underground support grew, the project rapidly evolved into a full-fledge, freeware platform. Sure, it certainly is not Linux or Windows, but those with an insatiable appetite for tweaking and bleeding-edge development will probably come to love SkyOS over the upcoming months.

While a wide variety of hardware support still remains minimal, SkyOS does deliver features commonly found with commercial operating systems: 32-bit processing, symmetric multiprocessing, virtual memory, memory protection, multitasking, multithreading, hardware 2D acceleration, TCP/IP networking, PPP support, and much more. Given the small size and part-time nature of the core development staff, SkyOS has came a rather long way in a short amount of time.

The real centerpiece of the project is the graphical user interface. With the bulk of low-level coding already established, the SkyOS team has recently transitioned to developing a high-performance GUI capable of delivering a unique desktop experience. Just as with the OS layer, the GUI includes many impressive features: 32-bit color depth, hardware acceleration (as applicable), a message passing subsystem, and even preliminary OpenGL support.

Sure, I could write volumes about the technical aspects of the SkyOS core, but it seems the development team is already well ahead of us journalists. A thoroughly documented SkyOS manual and SDK are already available, packed full with detailed information. What would an operating system project be without an adjoining documentation project as well?

SkyOS 5.0 Beta Release

Following a few emails with Kelly Rush concerning ATI driver support, I found myself in a position to receive a preview copy of the SkyOS 5.0 Beta release. Never being one to turn down free software, I quickly snapped at the opportunity, plus secured TechIMO an exclusive first look at the operating system. Following several days of testing, SkyOS 5.0 represents a true evolutionary step from the current version 4.x installation.

While I will refer to this release as a beta build, the version I received was more typically aligned with a pre-beta development build. Since initial receipt of the code, the development team has opened up a SkyOS beta program for those interested in testing the operating system during the next few months. A one-time purchase of $30 includes a SkyOS 5.0 disc and technical support via a beta forum. Once finalized, SkyOS 5.0 will be free as with previous releases, but the developers needed to cover expenses for supporting the beta test program, thus the small fee. Only 100 spots were allotted, and those are being filled fast!

Installation

Installing SkyOS seems painless enough, assuming you already have experience with Linux or another Unix-type platform. While several options exist, my installation was successfully completed using a hard drive with two partitions (SkyOS install files and SkyOS install drive) and a simple boot floppy running a preconfigured version of the popular GRUB bootloader. I also installed SkyOS under VMware 3.2.1 with little trouble, though a few minor changes were required within a text configuration file to successfully detect the VMware graphics subsystem.

Once booted, the installation routines look fairly generic. Most options are clearly documented, and the actual install process took only a few scarce minutes. Once completed, I used to same GRUB boot floppy process to access the working SkyOS installation as it proved to be the most simplistic route available at the time.

Desktop Interface

Once booted, I was welcomed to a familiar looking desktop, then again, most every OS project ever envisioned in the past ten years seems to copy the desktop feature. Just as with commercial offerings, SkyOS offers a standardized application bar and desktop icon/shortcut support. Otherwise, I could have been looking at modified Windows or X environment had the knowledge of SkyOS not been present. Not much to say here, everything worked as expected.

Configuration

Once accustomed to the interface, I went in search of the setup routine. Surprisingly, SkyOS 5.0 offers a menu driven setup akin to other leading alternatives. The System Manager lists all detected hardware, plus will flag any devices that failed auto detection; just like Windows device manager. Considering all drivers are auto loaded at this point, there are no interactive features allowing for driver installation or updating.

The graphics section will be of significant interest to most users. SkyOS offers standard support for a wide variety of VESA 2.0 compliant graphics accelerators. Hardware support is also extended to most current nVidia and ATI chipsets, though the ATI driver is still relatively new and undergoing validation with a variety of video card models. A VMware-specific driver is also provided, though it failed to properly initialize my older VMware 3.2.1 configuration. VMware 4.x was not tested due to editorial time constraints.

All screenshots were taken under VMware, so I opted for the widely compatible VESA driver with write combining (accelerate framebuffer) and hardware acceleration enabled. OpenGL was enabled, though further testing will be required to test this 3D feature as support increases. As to 2D graphics, the system worked flawlessly considering this is an early beta release. I only noted a few occasional graphics glitches and flaws during many hours of testing, though most were only present while operating with VMware.

In additional to 2D acceleration, SkyOS 5.0 also offers support for GUI themes. The default WindUI will no doubt be the most popular choice given its rapid development path. The additional SkyOS themes resemble variants of WindUI. For those seeking something a little more traditional, a BeOS theme is provided; and yes, the window manager looks and feels just like BeOS 5 Personal Edition. Font anti-aliasing is also available, though I could tell little difference with the feature disabled.

Bundled Applications

Included with the SkyOS 5.0 installation is more than enough base system utilities for a typical desktop user. Due to the preview nature of the tested release, not all additional applications were bundled with the installation. I reserve comment on those software packages until additional testing can be completed.

Considering the development nature of SkyOS, plenty of system monitoring tools are available. TaskManger lists running processes, System Information lists subsystem data, and Disk Manager displays the available drive space. Disk Manager also provides a foundation for building an interactive partition management utility.

Interestingly, a command-line environment is provided as well. The shell seems to accept a variety of MS-DOS and Bash-style UNIX commands. The command-line interface proves useful for working with applications like the Bochs virtual machine and Apache web server. Otherwise, a graphical user interface dubbed "Viewer" resembles Windows Explorer in both shape and form.

As to available application upon final release, SkyOS 5.0 will sport similar software packages as its previous siblings, such as the SkyKruzer web browser, Developer Studio, multimedia player, Quake, Apache, Bochs, and ZSNES. A complete list of current applications is available here. Most Linux/Unix applications can be easily ported to SkyOS due to a low-level Linux emulation layer, plus the development team intends to soon start working on a feature to allow Linux binaries to be directly loaded without recompilation.

Hardware Support

Understandably, SkyOS lacks a wealth of hardware support, as evidenced here. Nearly all VMware options are supported, plus it should prove easily enough to obtain hardware presented on the compatibility list. The vast majority of supported devices are generic off-the-shelve items, thus building a system to support SkyOS is not exactly a predominate concern for most users.

As to future hardware support, a full-fledged Driver Development Kit will soon be issued to core OS developers and experienced beta testers. Upon public release, the complete DDK will be available to anyone interested in supporting the SkyOS platform.

Licensing Model

After a quick skim of comments posted to sites like Slashdot, there appears to be much confusion regarding the actual license being used to develop SkyOS. As it stands, SkyOS is essentially a freeware operating system. It does not specifically conform to the GPL or any other typical open source license.

The core team may release the operating system source code under such a license once they feel comfortable interacting with outside developers, though such a scenario would likely not occur until well after SkyOS reaches a widespread audience. As to the bundled software applications, the required rights have been secured from projects with code being deployed with the SkyOS installation. Upon public release, the SkyOS 5.0 CD-ROM will include the source code for all third-party open source applications.

Final Thoughts

This preview barely scratches the surface of SkyOS, especially when referencing the latest beta release. The real question comes down to whether SkyOS will eventually gain enough momentum to propel it past the status of being a hobby OS. The foundation is already in place, and the graphical user interface is rapidly evolving with each new release.

From my perspective, the most important factors will be driver and software support. Driver support will be slow during the interim term, though the public release of SkyOS 5.0 should spur more than enough interest to entice several open source developers to begin a serious driver development project. As to software support, SkyOS is actually further along than most would tend to believe. A working file manager and web browser are already available, and rumors point towards a few coders attempting to port an office suit, most likely OpenOffice.org.

SkyOS definitely leads the alternative scene right now. Will the project witness popularity in 2004? Probably not, as much work is still needed. However, the reliable SkyOS team has proven highly dedicated to the 5.0 effort for many month now. Assuming they continue at the current pace, I can certainly see SkyOS leaping forward as a competitive, though still alternative, desktop solution by early 2005. Expect many more SkyOS 5.0 articles as we track the development of this operating system project over the next few months.

Does SkyOS come with.... (-1, Redundant)

Asprin (545477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973471)


Does SkyOS come with SkyNET?

If so I'll have to pass, but it looks cool, man.... really....

Re:Does SkyOS come with.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973588)

No it comes with OnStar

Mirror Please (-1, Flamebait)

dominick (550229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973505)

Give me a damn mirror. All you guys overloaded the server you slashdot reading hippies!

Huh?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973506)

Why is this newsworthy?
When IBM releases a new version of Domino, is there a posting on macslash?
It is HIGHLY probable that more of Us(tm) have to deal with things like Domino, or Oracle AS, or what-have-you, then some consumer level video editing program.
So what? Apple released, no wait, is GOING TO release a new version of Final Cut.
Did you hear that SUN is going to "ignite" the "Adrenaline Rush" in "Java Technology" based games? Well I hope you didn't hear it on slashdot.
What the fuck? since when are press releases newsworthy? Surely when they relate to the geek population. How many video editors do you know who read macslash? no, really. I know 0
I know 10 IT guys, 2 IT managers, and 4 programmers who read macslash. They don't give a DAMN about some piece of software that they'll never use

skyos is as worthless (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973546)

as tits on a boar hog.

besides, SCO probably owns most of it.

w000t! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973555)

DOUBLE SLASHDOTTING!!!

Yes thats correct, we have successfully slashdotted two different sites in the same article! Keep up the good work and let's try for a triple slashdotting!!

Re:w000t! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973687)

The site is probably hosted in a SkyOS machine

Some time ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973564)

someone told to one student there: "Ahh, Linus, why do you need another OS? There is plenty of choice, and Unix already exists"

Bad press (4, Interesting)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973569)

I'm sure there are some people who are happy about this project, but showing off screenshots of you 'illegally' playing a Nintendo title on an emulator probably isn't the right thing to do.

Re:Bad press (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973641)

It's only illegal if you don't have the real game...or so I'm told

Mirrors coming soon! (5, Informative)

Hexydes (705837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973572)

I'm sorry everyone, we didn't know we'd get Slashdotted! We're working on getting some mirrors up for all of you.

QUIT STEALING OUR BANDWIDTH! =D

Re:Mirrors coming soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973668)

Uh, it was you who submitted the article to Slashdot. If you submitted the article in the hope it would be posted..why didn't you at least suspect the possibility of a Slashdoting?

Re:Mirrors coming soon! (1)

Hexydes (705837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973711)

Because the story came back to me as rejected and I put it out of my mind. Then all of a sudden our site wasn't working anymore, and we had to figure out what happened (which didn't take long), and now we're trying to find a solution.

Re:Mirrors coming soon! (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973671)

how could you not know?

Re:Mirrors coming soon! (5, Informative)

Hexydes (705837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973688)

Ok, here is one mirror, though I don't know about the bandwidth supply on it, so be careful:

http://skyos.lynx-tech.biz [lynx-tech.biz]

You submited the fscking story! (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973725)

Damn, YOU submited the story? What where you expecting? Also, what every happend about those possible GPL violations?

What license is the source code under? (1, Interesting)

dido (9125) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973597)

It's at least free as in beer, but is it free as in speech? That's what I'd like to know, and is the most important question from my point of view. Is it GPL, BSD/X-Windows, or public domain? Or could it even be proprietary but gratis? I can't tell from looking the pages from the SkyOS website I was able to see at before it got totally slashdotted just like the TechIMO website.

If it's closed source and proprietary, then forget it. Such a system is of no real use.

Re:What license is the source code under? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7973695)

It's closed source and proprietary.

Apart from the parts which arn't, but they're not releasing the code for them yet. They say they'll release stuff which they've modified under the GPL when they release SkyOS 5.0 This is fine and dandy and well within the terms of the GPL but it doesn't address the issues of binaries of GPL'd stuff which are already being distributed in the current version of SkyOS.

Re:What license is the source code under? (2, Informative)

Betcour (50623) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973714)

From what I understand it is "proprietary but gratis".

At least (4, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973640)

it wasn't reviewed on OSNews. Had it been, there would have been snide comments on package management, anti-aliased screen fonts, and the color scheme used for the 'Recycle Bin' icon. And Eugenia would have tried to build a custom version of GAIM, and failing dependencies would have caused another tantrum.

Politics in SkyOS (4, Interesting)

pcraven (191172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973654)

This [slashdot.org] is kind of an interesting post from one of the SkyOS guys. Even being a small 'one-man' OS, it seems that people get mired in politics these days.

Mirror of content (3, Informative)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973683)

A mirror of the SkyOS review can be found in a Slashdot comment here [slashdot.org] .

No-one seems to have modded it up to a point where people might start actually seeing it.

/. effect (5, Insightful)

Karem Lore (649920) | more than 10 years ago | (#7973721)

Hey all,

Just a few little question:

If we manage to slashdot all these sites all the time:

how come /. never gets /.'d?
What the hell are /. running over at /. to maintain /.'s high speed at all times allowing /. readers access?
Everyone must come through the /. site so the /. site must be hammered at least as much as other sites...

Karem

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