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Half-Life 2 Already Being Illegally Sold in Russia

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the bad-men-doing-bad-things dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 85

freidog writes "A short blurb on GamesRadar reports Half-Life 2 is for sale, sort of. It seems the 'leaked' Half-Life 2 source has found itself nicely updated and packaged for sale, in Russia. Some work has certainly gone into this production, as 'Hackers have apparently even gone to the length of translating text in the fully playable code into Russian.' However, one would imagine the game's content would be pretty sparse, and stability and polish lacking on such an early build." Another reader points to a page with more information on the bootleg discs, although only the disc art and packaging is mentioned as being translated.

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Not News (3, Interesting)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994643)

A compiled version of the source was on the net about a week after it was downloaded. Where the textures are from I don't know, but the only thing that surprises me is it took so LONG for someone to start selling it.

Re:Not News (2, Informative)

TheOnlyCoolTim (264997) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995246)

The content was leaked a while after the source was.

Tim

Re:Not News (2, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7996076)

I figured that whoever got in took the textures too. Whatever the case, there's a version been on the net for aeons now.

I have very little sympathy for Valve, and find their fanboys deeply amusing. Running a program that any monkey knows is full of security holes (Outlook) on a system with valuable code on...

It's like leaving all the doors open at the bank and using the honor system to keep people out of the vault...

Re:Not News (2, Insightful)

log0n (18224) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001467)

Theft is still a crime.

Re:Not News (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 10 years ago | (#8004393)

To be theft an item has to be in the sole possession of the criminal. The Valve incident is copyright violation (on a grand scale) NOT theft.

Regardless, my point still stands. Machines, hooked to the net, with known security problems on it... The guy or gal who did it wasn't exactly facing a Fort Knox level of security.

Like if you left your car unlocked on purpose and someone stole it, sure, it's still "theft", but I have no sympathy for you because you bought it on yourself.

Re:Not News (1)

ripewithdecay (573894) | more than 10 years ago | (#8003550)

...not to mention having said system hooked up to the fuckin' INTERNET.

Re:Not News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8011699)

Kind of pointless to be using Outlook if you're not on the internet.

In Soviet Russia... (0, Funny)

Green Light (32766) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994663)

...Half-Life 2 illegally sells YOU?

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Cosmik (730707) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994704)

Damn. Beat me to the pun. Oh well, I'll have to go for sloppy seconds.

1. In Soviet Russia... 2. ??? 3. Profit!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7996662)

"In Soviet Russia... 'X' does 'X' to YOU."

For the love of god: WHAT IS THIS FROM?

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7996987)

The original joke by Yakov Smirnoff:
In Los Angeles, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, the Party can always find YOU!

Further reading:
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node =in+soviet +russia
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laugh-In

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7998119)

Oh come on, this is so barely off topic that it's informative nature makes up for it... Come on, someone give this guy some credit for digging this up?

Thanks danila...

It's a real social commentary (4, Insightful)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994717)

That people who lived under communism for so long have mastered capitalism so quickly.

Must we really squash this beautiful flickering light?

Seriously, has anyone seen screenshots? From what I understand, only source code was stolen - no artwork or textures. Someone went to a lot of trouble to get this into a playable condition, I'd imagine. Of course, since we don't know who someone is, "Half-Life 2" could also be searching our hard drives for credit card numbers and PayPal logins while we amuse ourselves. I don't care how desperate you are to see Half-Life 2 early, I wouldn't take the risk of installing this "demo"

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

HotFat (46399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994868)

The entire game was stolen not just the code. About 1.4gig (zipped) of assests and tools etc. I heard it ran reasonably well although not all levels where playable or complete. I'm sure the ruskies got their hands on this version and cleaned it up for sale.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

obeythefist (719316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994936)

I had a look at it, it's very incomplete. There is a lot of data, but it's clunky and completely raw, no optimisations for anything but (presumably) the ATI Radeon, since ATI and Valve are of course in bed together.

It'll be an interesting first half of '04 when the next generation nVidia and ATI cards are released. A whole new war. I wonder if ATI will keep the crown?

Capitalism! Viva! (3, Funny)

Schezar (249629) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994894)

Step 1: Develop long-anticipated game.

Step 2: Leak source to said game.

(Step 1.5: Make deal with Russian hacker types, give them better copy of "leaked" code)

Step 3: Use back doors in said code / existance of said code to

a) Royally screw pirates
b) Steal ccns for extra, secret income
c) Generate even MORE buzz about your game
Step 4: Profit!

(I'm KIDDING!)

Re:Capitalism! Viva! (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997008)

I know you are joking (you said that yourself), but it's a myth that pirated software is likely to steal your CC numbers.

In more than a decade of buying pirated software only twice I had an infected disk and never ever had seen or heard about any spyware or malware on a pirated CD (other than Real Player or MS Windows).

Pirates are normal companies with normal distribution networks - you are just as likely to buy spyware in BestBuy as from pirates. So please, stop spreading misinformation.

Re:Capitalism! Viva! (1)

Schezar (249629) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997110)

"So please, stop spreading misinformation."

Oh? Now I'll make it my mission to distribute pirated software that collects ccns and profit from the lack of competition. ^_^

Re:Capitalism! Viva! (1)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7998924)

Well thats a stupid statement. Companies that publish software are easily held liable for what they publish. International warez rings are pretty hard to prosecute when you say, "I bought this illegal software and it stole all my credit card numbers." It would be very easy for a company pushing warez out the door to do this. And you don't see or hear about pirated software companies doing this because not very many people will publicly review pirated versions of software. You call it a myth because it hasn't come to your attention, or because maybe it hasn't happened to you. But it very easily could (and more than likely does) happen. Some pirates are "normal companies" in the sense that they sell a product (albeit an illegal one), but all pirates are by definition already breaking the law. So exactly what are their incentives not to lace your PEs with some little stealth program that runs without your knowledge collecting private information?

Re:Capitalism! Viva! (3, Interesting)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999326)

First of all, my comment about BestBuy was purely mathematical. To the best of my knowledge, the probability of a random piece of software sold in BestBuy containing spyware, malware or viruses is approximately the same as the probability of a random pirated CD sold in Moscow to contain the same, give or take a few percentage points.

Second, most companies explicitly disclaim all liability and while this might not help them in case of malware, it surely protects them in case of spyware and viruses. Even dialers appear to be legal.

Third, CC numbers theft is illegal and prosecuted everywhere, including Russia. If you were a pirate company selling CDs with malware, you would very soon be paid a visit from the R-department, since it's extremely easy to track a CD. Of course, individual people might attempt to disguise malware as warez, but that can no more turn pirates into criminals, than a burglar masquarading as a plumber can make all plumbers criminals.

Turning back to the real pirates (not criminals disguising as pirates), there is another reason why they don't do basty stuff. They have a business and they have a reputation. If they print a CD with malware, distributors won't trust them next time. So they will wreck their successful and profitable business for no apparent reason. Microsoft is known to regularly break the law, but that doesn't mean they are completely reckless - they won't murder Linus Torvalds, for instance, even though they are criminals. People usualy break one law - they one they are best at breaking. :) Even drug dealers would not usually murder people left and right.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

pcbob (67069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7996096)

That people who lived under communism for so long have mastered capitalism so quickly.

Actually the only way to live "normaly" (ie. above poverty line) was to be as big of a capitalist as possible. Otherwise you get to starve while trying to live of off various social programs and low paying government owned jobs.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997028)

Actually the best way to live "normally" was to live normally. E.g. be a scientist, an engineer, a teacher, a worker, etc. During the 70+ years of socialism in Russia there have been many periods when average quality of life could be favourably compared with Western Europe.

And now, when we have capitalism and free market in Russia, average real incomes are lower than in 1991, 75% of people have monthly income less than 150$, a nurse in a maternity hospital gets measly 25$/month, the richest 10% in Moscow earn 43 (!!!!) time more than the poorest 10%, and you are here on Slashdot speaking about how bad communism was! Get a fucking clue!

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997254)

You want to talk about equality? In communist russia (errr..I promise, no troll coming =p), those with high-level gov't jobs got -everything- the poor masses didn't. They got beach homes. New shoes (the way to tell a party member from a non-party member was by the shoes). Limos. High-pay. And there was more corruption than you can shake a stick at.

The only reason their "capitalism" sucks so badly is because they've built it out of a hundred years of poorly done communism.

Oh, and Russia wasn't communist. It was socialist. Communism requires a complete lack of a governing body controlling wealth.

Re:It's a real social commentary (2, Interesting)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999726)

See my answer to GeckoX [slashdot.org] regarding inequality in present Russia. It is absolutely obvious that the situation in USSR was much much better than what we have today. I am very well informed about perks that the nomenclatura received, but you must realise that almost everyone had the perks, although less impressive. Everyone, from the last janitor to the Secretary General had access to beach homes (or resorts and sanatoriums), the difference was only in quantity and quality, but noone could own these beach homes. The elite had limos, but I could drive in almost the same car (same brand, twice as cheap, probably, not as well maintained) when I was coming home from the weekend with grandparents. And everyone could become a member of the elite. Witness our Russian Presidents - Yeltsin and Putin, both of them made their way from the very bottom all by themselves (I don't like them, but it's not like they came from a rich clan such as Kennedys, Clintons or Bushes).

Our capitalism sucks not because of communism. Actually the decades of communism are what still keeps our economy alive for the 12th year already without any significant capital expenditures on infrastructure. The depreciation of bridges, railroads, power plants, heating systems, manufacturing equipment and everything else can be as high as 50-80%. The only reason we still have power, gas, hot water, etc. is that the USSR built all that.

And finally, if you would read my original post, you would notice how I use the word "socialism". I am very well aware of the difference. And I am looking forward to a real communist society somewhere around 2015-2020 (thanks to robotics, nanotech, AI, etc.). Europe is already on its way, now the US and Asia need to catch up and then hopefully they will help the Russia, remembering that it was our country that tried to build it first. :)

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8000669)

Just one correction. The Clinton family was not affluent (don't know about Hillary's side, though). Clinton made himself on his own, and DIDN'T have a wealthy connected family (like Bush, Gore, Kennedy, etc.).

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 10 years ago | (#7998524)

You think that the richest 10% earning 43 times as much as the poorest 10% in Russia is news? Do you really think that that would be much different in the good ole US of A?

If I were to guess, I'd guess that it's probably closer to 100 times in the US, but I am pulling that out of my arse.

Re:It's a real social commentary (2, Informative)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999587)

Please, Gecko, put the numbers back where you took them from. :)

From here [www.ccsd.ca]
Earnings Gap: Canada - 3.7, USA - 4.6, Sweden - 2.2. It is defined as the "ratio of the top to bottom 10% (i.e. top of 9th decile to top of 1st decile of earners).

As I said before, in Moscow it is 43. Russian average is 14.6, but if you exclude Moscow from the statistics, it will probably drop to around 5-8. But 43 is simply not right, especially when you consider that Moscow has 8+ million population...

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

L7_ (645377) | more than 10 years ago | (#8000004)

I would assume that if you did the same with New York you would get similar numbers. There are som very rich people in New York City as well as some very destitute people.

Big cities are where the wealthist live and the poor go to find shelter.

Moscow is no different than New York, Detroit or Chicago.

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7998592)

>And now, when we have capitalism and free market in Russia, average real incomes are lower than in
>1991, 75% of people have monthly income less than 150$, a nurse in a maternity hospital gets measly
>25$/month, the richest 10% in Moscow earn 43 (!!!!) time more than the poorest 10%, and you are here on
>Slashdot speaking about how bad communism was! Get a fucking clue!

Why don't you get a fucking clue. Today a person in russia making less then a 150$ is a lot better of then any person (eg.: my father, a highly educated university profesor) was under communsim. Less then 15 years a normal person couldn't even buy toilet paper. Let alone mention things like a tv or even a personal computer.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999496)

Well, that again proves that intelligence is not an inherited trait...

My father was a professor too (not sure when he became one, probably in the 1990-s) and believe me, our family lived ok under socialism. We had a decent (although small) flat and eventually bought a larger one, we at much better food than today (even though we are much richer now), we didn't have fancy clothes, but we didn't wear rags either. We didn't have a car, but taxis were more affordable then today and public transportation was quite good. We had a TV, although a computer was out of the question for obvious reasons (in 1980s they weren't so populat in the USA either).

And as I said, the REAL INCOMES (which means PPP adjusted for inflation, changes in the consumer basket, etc.) are less today than in 1991 (and in 1991 they were less than in 1980s). So an average person is worse off today, not "a lot better". The matter of 150$ is moot, because rouble was not convertible in Soviet time.

And computers arrived not because capitalism is better than socialism, but because Intel made them so much cheaper. And TVs were in most people's houses 20 years ago and even earlier. Yeah, and the lack of toilet paper does not mean everyone was poor, it simply means that with fixed prices you might have deficit. If we had a market economy at that time, the price would simply jump 10 times so that demand would equal supply, although the total amount of paper consumed would remain the same.

So please, would you stop lying? Thanks.

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7999815)

And computers arrived not because capitalism is better than socialism, but because Intel made them so much cheaper.

Here's a free clue: Intel making computers so much cheaper is a _result_ of capitalism, as is the very existence of Intel.

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7999879)

>Yeah, and the lack of toilet paper does not mean everyone was poor, it simply means that with fixed >prices you might have deficit. If we had a market economy at that time, the price would simply jump 10
>times so that demand would equal supply, although the total amount of paper consumed would remain the same.

I really don't care if I'm rich or poor if I can't spend my money to buy things I need. I need to wipe my ass. Now I can walk in to supermarket and buy what I need instead of having to spend all day searching for it. A completly prosaic thing like sugar or meat was almost impossible to find back then, so you could have all the money you needed and it would be completly useless. And if you were to compare black market prices the "REAL INCOMES" look a lot better today.

If the US was just to print out money and at the same time by means of a presidential decree freeze prices, would any sane person claim that the people in US are richer?

>My father was a professor too [...] and believe me, our family lived ok under socialism. We had a
>decent (although small) flat and eventually bought a larger one, we at much better food than
>today (even though we are much richer now), we didn't have fancy clothes, but we didn't wear rags
>either. We didn't have a car, but taxis were more affordable then today and public transportation
>was quite good. We had a TV, although a computer was out of the question for obvious reasons (in
>1980s they weren't so populat in the USA either).

I don't know how your parents got all that, and with out knowing I'm not going to pass any judgment, but most of those things like a flat or a TV were very hard to get without being a party member.

>So please, would you stop lying? Thanks.
No, won't "stop" lying anymore then I'm going to "stop" beating my wife or "stop" enriching uranium.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001301)

>I really don't care if I'm rich or poor if I can't spend my
>money to buy things I need. I need to wipe my ass. Now I
>can walk in to supermarket and buy what I need instead of
>having to spend all day searching for it. A completly
Good point about spending too much time searching. But the truth is that there are many things people in the US can't buy now, like dental services. Yes, in market economy there is no apparent deficit, because when you don't have money, it's not counted as a deficit. In planned economies, prices were fixed, so sometimes deficits would occure. Inefficiencies were very real, I admit, especially in the late 1980s, when our beloved leaders were driving the economy into the ground. Still, overall according to all available data, people were better off then.

>prosaic thing like sugar or meat was almost impossible to
>find back then, so you could have all the money you needed
>and it would be completly useless.
Now you simply don't have the money. Same result.

>And if you were to compare black market prices the "REAL
>INCOMES" look a lot better today.
Good point about real incomes. But the truth is that consumption of most food groups, like milk, chocolate, meat, etc. decreased in 1990s, sometimes by as much as 70%.

>If the US was just to print out money and at the same time
>by means of a presidential decree freeze prices, would any
>sane person claim that the people in US are richer?
No. But would any sane person claim that the people in the US are poorer? It doesn't really matter how much money is there, it matters how much stuff is produced. It just happens so that today we produce less stuff per capita in Russia than we used to in the USSR.

>I don't know how your parents got all that, and with out
>knowing I'm not going to pass any judgment, but most of
>those things like a flat or a TV were very hard to get
>without being a party member.
Well, mother's parents bought her a flat. Where they got a TV, I don't remember. I just spent a few minutes and found out that every year 11 million TVs were made in the USSR. Not too bad for a 300 million country, considering that today we have 0.42 TVs per capita in Russia and in Soviet time TV was still a relatively new technology. Yes, not everyone had a TV, but it wasn't something that only party members got. And to think of it, may be we were actually better off having less TVs? :) You know, more time to read the books, have a walk, etc.

BTW, how old are you and where do you currently live?

>No, won't "stop" lying anymore then I'm going to "stop"
>beating my wife or "stop" enriching uranium.
Well, for a second I thought this might work. ;)

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8001647)

>Still, overall according to all available data, people were better off then.
Most of the data was probably fake. I can see all around that the standard of living is higher today then it was before the fall of communism.

>Now you simply don't have the money. Same result.
Oh, but I do have the money. I work hard, live a honest live and can afford what I need.

>No. But would any sane person claim that the people in the US are poorer? It doesn't really
>matter how much money is there, it matters how much stuff is produced. It just happens so that
>today we produce less stuff per capita in Russia than we used to in the USSR.
They would be poorer, becouse it would collapse the economy, when there's no correlation between producing the goods and consuming them. Besides that most of the soviets products were of absymal quality.

>Well, mother's parents bought her a flat. Where they got a TV, I don't remember.
Very well then, please accept my most humble apology. However most parents can't afford buying flats for their children, and I still need to live somewhere.

>[..]And to think of it, may be we were actually better off having less TVs? :) You know, more time
>to read the books, have a walk, etc.
To be honest, no. I think people drunk a lot more. Today I practicly never see things like people verbaly assualting strangers on a bus, or some random buerocrat treating my like trash.

>BTW, how old are you and where do you currently live?
28, Leopolis, Ukraine

>Well, for a second I thought this might work. ;)
No it won't, I like being free and hope to keep it that way. And to do so, I think it's important to be aware that things we might today take for granted haven't allways been that way. After all historia est magistra vitae.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8002785)

>Most of the data was probably fake. I can see all around
>that the standard of living is higher today then it was
>before the fall of communism.
First, to say that most data was fake is an oversimplification. Although in many cases the data was phony, rarely was it faked outright, because the consequences could be serious, and because valid data was actually necessary for the planning. Second, even the Soviet statistics of questionable quality are much better than personal anekdotes. Third, the Soviet data is largely irrelevant to our discussion. What is relevant is the modern Russian statistics, some of it collected independently from the state. And these data shows that average income, average consumption, average retail sales, pretty much any such indicator is lower today than it was in 1991 and most people would agree that in late 1980s the situation was worsening, leading to the conclusion that in 1980 it was much better than today. Quod erat demonstrandum.

You have the money, that's great. I have the money too. But I was never in need in Soviet time either. Still, it is important to realise that the majority of people in Russia (I guess, it would be the same in Ukraine - after all, the GDP per capita is half of Russian) are much poorer than me.

>To be honest, no. I think people drunk a lot more.
That's the problem. You think. :) But hard data shows that consumption of alcohol in mid-nineties was 18 l per capita (more than in 1970s or 1980s) and in 2002 it was 10 l per capita, compared with 13 in 1980, 10 in 1970 and 7 in 1990 (after the anti-alcohol campaign).

I like being free too, but I realise I cannot be free if my mind is overcome with myths. I have to open my eyes to the truth - the country is fucked up, people lives are shit and it is not really changing to the better in any significant way. At the same time I live in comfort, have high-speed Internet, spend my time as I want, can choose between interesting well-paid jobs and can lead a relaxed lifestyle. But I do not deceive myself that everyone is just as well-off.

This time I should ask you to stop lying to yourself. Learn to make a distinction between your personal life and the average for your country/region/city.

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8003293)

>Although in many cases the data was phony, rarely was it faked outright, because the consequences
>could be serious, and because valid data was actually necessary for the planning.
It was probably falsified on a pretty low level (in the manufacturing plants), and no one really cared about if they're going to use the fake the data for planning.

>Second, even the Soviet statistics of questionable quality are much better than personal
>anekdotes.
No what I see around me, and know form other people that so do they, is much more important then meaningless digits.

>What is relevant is the modern Russian statistics, some of it collected independently
>from the state. And these data shows that average income, average consumption, average retail sales,
>pretty much any such indicator is lower today than it was in 1991 and most people would agree
>that in late 1980s the situation was worsening, leading to the conclusion that in 1980 it was much
>better than today. Quod erat demonstrandum.
There's a catch with people considering that situation was better before. First they were 20 years younger back then, which makes them view things a lot better. Secound they can simply express they're protest against the sourroding reallity, which is still far away even from what we can find even in former soviet sattelites like Poland. It dosn't mean they really think they would really like things to be as they were, just that they're angry.
Could you post a link to the statistics indicating a decline of avarage everything?

>But hard data shows that consumption of alcohol in mid-nineties was 18 l per capita (more than in
>1970s or 1980s) and in 2002 it was 10 l per capita, compared with 13 in 1980, 10 in 1970 and 7
>in 1990 (after the anti-alcohol campaign).
The Leopolis national medical university claims 2l per person. Sorry, as far as I can tell they don't have it published on the net.

>I like being free too, but I realise I cannot be free if my mind is overcome with myths. I have to
>open my eyes to the truth - the country is fucked up, people lives are shit and it is not really
>changing to the better in any significant way. At the same time I live in comfort, have high-speed
>Internet, spend my time as I want, can choose between interesting well-paid jobs and can lead a
>relaxed lifestyle. But I do not deceive myself that everyone is just as well-off.
The situation is still far from normal but it's hardly as bad as when we had communism. Unfortunatly I can't choose between many well paid jobs, instead I fit somewhere in the middle of the society, but I'm still young and have got my whole live before me. I am better of then quite a few people, but almost all of us are better of then we were 20 years ago.

>This time I should ask you to stop lying to yourself. Learn to make a distinction between your
>personal life and the average for your country/region/city.
Sorry but I won't be able to continue this futile discussion, becouse it's getting quite late here.
Thankfully you don't have much influance on world politics (afaik), and as time passes there are a lot less people who share your econmical views (at least where I live).
Have a nice life and godspeed.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

arose (644256) | more than 10 years ago | (#8006065)

Living in the USSR sucked. Say what yuo wan't you can't change a fact.

Re:It's a real social commentary (1)

Oddly_Drac (625066) | more than 10 years ago | (#7996292)

"Of course, since we don't know who someone is, "Half-Life 2" could also be searching our hard drives for credit card numbers and PayPal logins while we amuse ourselves."

Damn those fiendish ex-communists. I hear the Reds in China are creating a version of Linux, too

Roll on the days when we can be sure our computers are safe, secure in the knowledge that root access is only ever used by Microsoft and some nice gentlemen at the DoD...

Re:It's a real social commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8011705)

How can something be voted Insightful if it's completely wrong?

What you understand is completely wrong, and would have taken about 5 seconds worth of research to find out that code AND art was stolen, and a compiled, playable version of the game was out a few days after the source itself.

So... (1)

alexdm (728255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994721)

they get to illegally beta test the game...
whats the problem again?

Copyleft issue (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7994884)

Half Life 2. Is it good, or is it whack?

DEMO ONLY (3, Informative)

squant0 (553256) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994958)

Did anyone notice:
"The current version of the game is demo only and the distributor hold no responsibility for the operational capabilities of this product."?

So regardless of if its not legal, they aren't trying to pass it off as being the ACTUAL game.

DEMO ONLY and a BIG RED FLAG (1)

Allaran (557295) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999302)

Ok...so the product has most definitely not been released. Yet ,it's being sold. Doesn't this mean that any store selling it should be shut down for blatant illegal acts? Or is that not something that non-US govt/law won't care about?? Maybe it's only some 'in secret' pirates selling, but it seems like a reasonably good opportunity to go after them, as clearly they have no leg (well...maybe a peg leg) to stand on. Aarrr!

Re:DEMO ONLY and a BIG RED FLAG (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001262)

To quote the article:
Unlike Russia that has flooded all sources of media with advertisements stating that piracy is persecuted by law and tries very hard to fight with the sellers, the Ukraine is a haven for the illegal media industry. Here you will find stands selling all sorts of programs, music, movies, games at any subway station, along with massive markets devoted only to this industry.

Re:DEMO ONLY (0)

thatnerdguy (551590) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999572)

What I found ironic was this: "(C)2003 Russian Project. All right Reserved. Illegal copying of this disc is strongly prohibited by law"

The uninformed masses (2, Insightful)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#7994962)

You gotta pity the Russians to buy/bought copies of those copies. Its fairly common knowledge on the internet (at the very least for gaming readers) that there was a leak and a delay. For the uninformed masses, they're buying a broken, beta that might not even run on their computer.

Re:The uninformed masses (1)

Naffer (720686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995496)

Happen to see the prices though? Less then 5 dollars. I bet Gabe Newell is still recovering from the coughing fit he surely had when he found his source on the Internet.

I for one welcome our new incomplete code-publishing overlords.

For the uninformed MMaestro (3, Interesting)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997052)

Nobody is passing the game for the final version. Most of the salesmen would tell you outright that this is a demo/alpha/beta/not a final product, and even those who would not tell you (because they assume you already know that) would answer the direct question. And, BTW, most would also be happy to exchange the disks for anything else for a small 1$/CD fee (applies to almost all disks).

Re:For the uninformed MMaestro (2, Informative)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001391)

'If you play through this demo version [...]'

I'm sorry, DEMO version? Last time I checked it was a leaked version of the game containing some of the source code. When did anyone say a thing about the leak being a DEMO? Even if salesmen outright told them the truth, consumers would raise an eyebrow when they notice what the truthful salesman and the back of the jewel case don't say the same thing.

You're right, they're not passing it off as the final version. However, they are trying to pass it off as a near completed version of it by claiming its a demo version.

Re:For the uninformed MMaestro (1)

arose (644256) | more than 10 years ago | (#8006098)

Unlike megacorpns these people can't expect to make money by screwing people over.

Re:The uninformed masses (1)

golgotha007 (62687) | more than 10 years ago | (#8006296)

pity? ya, i bought my copy for 80 roubles, that's about $2.50

you don't need to pity me, it was chump change.

But how... (0)

Avada Kedavra (712991) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995341)

Valve said only a third of the source code and tools were stolen and leaked to the net so how can one compile it to run data files? (heh)

Re:But how... (3, Informative)

Amorpheus_MMS (653095) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995387)

This "one third of the source" was just the publisher trying to put into layman's terms how much was actually copied. They said it was one third of the GAME, and that got twisted somehow. I heard it compiles fine, so there should be all of it...

And what's being sold is the E3 demo that had been leaked as well.

Re:But how... (1)

braddeicide (570889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995402)

They say only one third of the game was stolen? Does that mean it'll be released on 6 cds? damm. :)

Re:But how... (1)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999468)

is it going to be on 6 cds?
well, thats exactly a size fit for a DVD-R so I wouldnt be surprised.
Anyway, what was leaked was some of the code (a third of the code) and the E3 demo, it didnt included the actual media (which takes a most of the space) so theres no telling how big the final product would be.

When is Release? (1)

bluewee (677282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995476)

Anyone know when the release of HL2 is going to be?

Re:When is Release? (1)

blacksong5 (739815) | more than 10 years ago | (#7998615)

First ill give you the classical game developer answer of........WHEN ITS DONE.....sorry couldnt pass that one up. Seriously now from what i have read the current theory(unless it has changed in the last 5 days) is that it will be relesed in april. although many sites say it is april 1st so who knows if it is real or not.

Re:When is Release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8002234)

Amazon.com told me they'll send it to me on March first if I pay for it now. Somewhere, someone is full of shit.

Note to RIAA: (1)

agent dero (680753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995587)

This is where piracy kills your sales, not in little susie who downloaded 2GB for her own music collection.

It's those in foreign countries that are actually reselling it.

Re:Note to RIAA: (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997061)

You are nuts! Tell me, how piracy of a leaked demo in Russia is killing sales of music labels in the US???

1) this is no more a replacement for the full game than a demo, people will still buy the final product
2) this is Russia, where 75% of the population earns less than 150$/month
3) this is a game, not music

Re:Note to RIAA: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8000523)

He means people selling bootleg music cds in Russia, not a video game, and that's where they are losing real money.

At least that's what I hope he means.

Re:Note to RIAA: (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001374)

Thanks, AC, now it makes more sense. But still, I am confused how they can lose something they never had in the first place. :) It's not like there was a huge market for American pop that was somehow destroyed by evil pirates. It's just that people are poor and they are not buying expensive stuff. If pirated content is available, that helps drive up penetration for players. When players are relatively widely available, people can eventually be persuaded to buy licensed media.

I mean, if you look at RIAA/MPAA figures for Russia, you would see steady growth all the way. Every year some film sets a new record for gross ticket sales (now it can be as high as $5-7 millions), DVD/CD sales are up as well.

Re:Note to RIAA: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7998444)

> This is where piracy kills your sales, not in little susie who downloaded 2GB for her own music collection.

>It's those in foreign countries that are actually reselling it.

Except for the fact that little susie actually has the money to pay. The Ukrainians really can't afford buying a game for over a hundred dollars so it's not like if the company is losing much.

CS 1.6 LAN client? (2, Interesting)

complete loony (663508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7995639)

I've also seen a CS1.6 client that doesn't require a steam connection to connect to a LAN server that may have been built from the HL2 source code (or information therein).
Here's [kainskforever.com] the link I have, again it's russian.
Disclaimer; I haven't tried it or downloaded it or anything or even checked if the file is still there.

Re:CS 1.6 LAN client? (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997997)

I got a copy of that off of suprnova.org a few weeks back. It played just fine. The copy I got did not have a serial in-place, so you still needed a serial. Then agian, that could have been a trojan to swipe good serialz. I used a keygen, so the joke's on them. NortonAV did not pick up anything out of the ordinary; nor did AdAware.

All in all, Steam has guarenteed that I'll never play another Valve game agian...at least not one I pay for. I love LAN parties. Even though my local gaming group has a T-1, it just isn't worth it to wait 20 minutes while everyone logs into a remote server just to get some quick counterstrike action.

How about some FACTS? (3, Informative)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7996974)

There is plenty of misinformation and hearsay in regards to the sales of HL2 in Russia. The best weapon to combat the rumours are the facts, and here they are.

1) The authors of the article on GamesRadar is stupid. The game was on sale in Russia basically since October, when it was leaked. And it wasn't sold in Novosibirsk only, but pretty much everywhere.

2) The author of the page about Ukraine is a complete idiot. I don't even want to comment on all the stupidity he wrote there.

3) The game has a couple of playable levels, including textures, models, AI, everything. Of course, it doesn't yet form a coherent story, but as far as I know, it includes all demoed levels, among others.

4) Here is one of several reviews of Half-Life 2 alpha version: http://www.3dnews.ru/games/half-life2-alfa/ [3dnews.ru] . It's in Russian, but you can look at screenshots, or use the fish [altavista.com] . Among other things, the reviewer says that the graphics are not revolutionary, despite the hype and cool videos. There is no per-pixel lightning and no realistic destruction physics (like in Silent Storm), e.g. indestructable boxes, etc. Water is pretty cool, though. On Athlon 2500+ with GeForce Ti4200 the game runs at 22-35FPS in 1024x768x32 with average details and 4xAA. Overall the reviewer thinks that the final version would be good, but not as good as we were led to believe.

5) The game doesn't collect your CC numbers, Mr. Fortunato. Despite what one may think, pirates are not criminals.

6) Doom3 alpha also was/is on sale pretty much everywhere in Russia. Still, nobody risks buying it believing it's a real deal, because the most sellers would always specifically warn you that it is just an alpha and everyone would say that when asked.

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

VisualStim (130062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997689)

Despite what one may think, pirates are not criminals.

How about another FACT ...

"Pirate" == copyright infringer == thief == criminal

I'm not sure how you can justify otherwise.

Re:How about some FACTS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7998318)

copyright infringer == thief

So how was your recent visit to the RIAA re-education camp?

Re:How about some FACTS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8000548)

copyright infringer != thief

dickhead

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

asrb (513512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7998024)

5) The game doesn't collect your CC numbers, Mr. Fortunato. Despite what one may think, pirates are not criminals.

Uh uh. So they:
1) Use viruses to plant keystroke loggers at Valve.
2) Use stolen passwords to crack Valve's systems to steal source code & other assets.
3) Resell the stolen property in another country.

This makes them not criminals...how? What would they have to do, in your view, to be actual criminals? Would they have had to burst into Valve's offices waving guns, beat and tie up the staff, torture the passwords out of people, and physically steal the development servers?

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999153)

First, nobody stole Valve's property, even though their PR guys jumped out of their pants to prove otherwise. Repeat after me: the delay of HL2 release is not caused by someone depriving Valve of its source code. I.e. that was not stealing. It was unauthorised access to data/information/software. And yes, hacking into someone's system is a crime in most places, so those guys probably were criminals.

But pirates are not hackers, and the hacker didn't do that to make money on stolen code. So pirates do not do anything criminal. Some of them break the copyright law, some of them don't. In some countries distributing leaked alpha is not illegal. But even if it was against the law, it is a civil offence, not a criminal one. And pirate companies are very well aware of this distinction. Most pirates in Russia play taxes (not all taxes, but then, again, noone here pays all taxes), they create jobs, they provide infrastructure for the IT economy, etc. They do not steal CC numbers, they do not spam, they do not sell drugs and they do not kill kittens... As I said, pirates are not criminals.

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

Lemental (719730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8004745)

Ha ha! Delusional, arent we? Let me spell it out for you. Pirates Are Criminals. Breaking the law...is criminal. Thank you, thus ends today's lesson.

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8006626)

Sorry to burst the bubble for you, but

Crimes, in the English common law, are grave offenses which were originally capitally punished (murder, rape, robbery, arson, burglary, and larceny), as distinguished from misdemeanors, which are offenses of a lighter grade.

If you want to call pirates criminals, fine, English language allows you to do it, but only if you admit you are a criminal yourself for parking in the wrong place, exceeding the speed limit by 1 km/h or by crossing the street in the wrong place.

And how about breaking the laws of grammar or the laws of visual perspective? :) Are the people who do it criminals?

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

borg1238 (692335) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999156)

Overall the reviewer thinks that the final version would be good, but not as good as we were led to believe.

You've got to be kidding. How can you take a review seriously of a STOLEN/INCOMPLETE/APLHA version of a game? It was probably optimized for a specific system and video card, it's missing huge chunks of the game, and it's NOT FINISHED!

I think I'll wait until the final version of the game is released before I pass judgement.

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8000952)

I wasn't very much optimised for any system (it was Doom3 alpha that was optimised for ATI Radeon 9700). Yes, ATI cards currently run HL2 better than NVidia, but if you read my post, you would knew that even GeForce Ti4200 ran the game at 25+ FPS with 4xAA and medium-details.

Huge chunks were missing, all right, but he could see how well the very much hyped features pan out. He thought that the hype was not warranted. Please also note that the delay of the game increases our expectations. Since May 2003, when HL2 was first shown, we saw Max Payne 2, Prince of Persia, Deus Ex 2 and many other graphically cool games. Yes, HL2 will probably have great story and gameplay, but it, apparently, is not something unbelievably good we were led to believe it will be.

uh Pirates aren't criminals? (0)

sw33tjimmy (662009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8000577)

Sorry to drop a load of reality in your lap but pirates break the law and are therefore criminals.

Re:How about some FACTS? (1)

nova20 (524082) | more than 10 years ago | (#8001163)

4) Here is one of several reviews of Half-Life 2 alpha version: http://www.3dnews.ru/games/half-life2-alfa/. It's in Russian, but you can look at screenshots, or use the fish.

Haha. "Half-bodice". Silly babelfish.

/nova20

Re:How about some FACTS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8004885)

haha no please comment no how the author(me) is a complete idion =) could use a laugh

Well I've got my copy of it..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7997320)

....pity I can't play it until Steam lets me download it.

(Got it as a free copy with my ATI-AIW9600Pro, unfortunately it's just a download key).

heh (1)

Solikawa (604301) | more than 10 years ago | (#7997539)

lets hop on a boat to russia then :P

Any one know where can I get a copy in Poland :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7998862)

Or at least in Leopolis instead of Kiev.

Hmm.. open source? (1)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7999073)

I wonder if the famous hl2 "leak" was somehow a way to make it "open source" so the active and large fan community could help solve the thousands of problems that valve ran into while making this extremely ambitious game?...

After all, once the code is back in the product nobody will be able to claim property but valve (since it was modified ilegally) the community couldnt even watch the actual code again (unless they buy it at several thousands of dollars)...

I dont know is too thin yes, but suspicious none the least...

About Hl2 being sold in russia.. bah, who would buy it? it was released for free in all the warez sites, and according those who download it, it didnt even worked. The equivalent of selling the doom3 alpha (which was done)
Nothing new there, move on.

Just a question here. (2, Interesting)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8000170)

How does Valve explain that code from "doom3", ,"doom nukem forever","halo2" and even "counterstrike zero" (which is also produced by sierra) which are games with similar (or even bigger) hype, are known for having a very large fan base including modding and hacker communities (specially on counterstrike) and are made by american based companies using similar protection techniques. Have never suffered *"leaks" or "security attacks" like the ones they described when their code was "stolen" from them?

*As far as we know the only one who suffered a leak was doom3, which "leaked" an e3 demo (not a bit of source code).

The security Sierra provided for CS:Zero was tighter than for their flagship most expensive and expected product?

How come the hackers found a way into a security system, yet they decided to only stole a fraction of the code in it, and didnt attacked any other product using the same security system in the same company? or similar systems in other companies?

How they did that? they called the secretary and asked for the password? a dizzy employee released his password (or code) in a forum? how could they have installed so called "password loggers" only in the valve office and leaved all other sierra projects (and other valuable information) intact And most importantly, if they are so good at it how come they didnt tried to steal other gaming projects? not even in the same company?

Re:Just a question here. (1)

rvw14 (733613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8002750)

Siera is just the distributor for Half-Life2, Valve has its own offices, network, security (or lack of) etc. Valve would have no access to any other of Sierra's product line.

Re:Just a question here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010889)

Counter Strike ZERO and the xbox version is from VALVE and it didnt got stolen in the "security attack" they went in and stole 1/3 of the code of half life2 thats all they also forgot all media from hl2 by the way.
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