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P2P File Swapping on the Rise Again?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the depends-who's-counting dept.

Music 319

asdf 101 writes "News.com reports today that 'After six months of declines, peer-to-peer usage recently climbed 14 percent.' Their bottomline: 'The decline came as the RIAA launched more than 300 lawsuits against file swappers. The reversal cast doubts on the music industry's claims that its lawsuits are working to deter people from illegally downloading music files.' I guess wake_up_and_smell_the_coffee time just gets that much more imminent for all the hacks at RIAA." There's also an AP story, and you might want to review this story from just a few weeks ago that has different conclusions.

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My wish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010546)

I wish there was a way for me, as a Christian, as a human being, to sit down with some of you and have a pleasant, civil discussion without bitterness or sarcasm. I don't force people to believe what I believe. I don't mock others with different beliefs. I hope I can find the words to explain myself, as my life goes on. I hope I can help people to see.

Re:My wish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010551)

Wish denied.

Re:My wish (-1, Offtopic)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010621)

I wish there was a way for you, as a 'bot, as a human being, to sit down with some of you and have a +1 informative, +1 insightful discussion without the -1 troll or -1 redundant. I don't force people to view tubgirls I link. I don't +1 funny others with SOVIET RUSSIA. I hope I can find the first post to explain myself, as my karma goes on. I hope I can help people to see natalie petrified grits

What's the Point of This Article? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010553)

What is there to discuss besides bitching about the RIAA?

What?! You mean (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010555)

College students who went home to dial-up stopped swapping music over Christmas?! This is shocking!

why is slashdot.org so hypocritical (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010556)

and why is michael's pussy so deep? what went in there that made it that deep? HUH?

DANISH SMOKED SAUSAGE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010666)

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chop the beef and pork together; when about half chopped, add the 12 lbs. of fat
and finish by chopping all fine, adding the seasonings toward the finish; then
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smoked in cold smoke until they are a rich dark brown in color. The sausage is
then ready for eating, and will keep for several months. Length, about 18 inches.

Re:DANISH SMOKED SAUSAGE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010704)

SNAUSAGES R NoT oN TEH SpoKE!

vlad is a faggit (-1)

rusty-nail abortion (470272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010557)

fuck you vlad!

It depends on who you ask... (4, Interesting)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010558)

Seriously, from Day 1 of those lawsuits it was different stories every week. P2P use declining ... no wait, it's on the rise. Then it's declining, and CD sales are increasing, now it's rising again.

I'd like to know, though, which P2P networks they're watching... (my apologies if it says so in the article, this is /. after all).

Re:It depends on who you ask... (4, Informative)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010615)

Seriously, from Day 1 of those lawsuits it was different stories every week. P2P use declining

It doesn't say exactly which networks are monitored, just:
NPD uses two tools to monitor peer-to-peer activity. MusicWatch Digital is a tool that continuously examines PCs of roughly 40,000 participating individuals, recording which sites they have gone to and what they have downloaded on their hard drives. The ongoing survey has been compiling and analyzing data on a monthly basis since April 2003. The second tool, called MusicLab, is a traditional paper survey mailed to 5,000 individuals asking them to report their usage and Web surfing. The results represent the U.S. population.

There are bound to be variations, and yes, it definately does depend on who you ask. This is perhaps as "neutral" as they come though.

Re:It depends on who you ask... (5, Interesting)

Ralph Yarro (704772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010678)

And from this they learned that immediately after RIAA started some highly publicised lawsuits, people who were aware that their activities were being actively (voluntarily) monitored cut down on their use of P2P software, and perhaps even more stunningly, people asked in paper surveys whether or not they were doing anything they could be sued for were less likely to say "yes".

I guess the fact that the numbers are going up again is mildly interesting, but I don't see that you can draw many conclusions the earllier drop in recorded p2p use. "Not telling" is at least as likely as "not doing". Promises of anonymity or not, it's human nature.

Re:It depends on who you ask... (1, Redundant)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010671)

I'd like to know how they take these statistics.

Do they just log in to Kazaa (or whatever is hot at present) and look at the number of people logged in, avaliable files, etc?

They probably don't realize there is a whole world of people using other means of sharing files, not to mention buying CDR compies from people on the street, or friends.

Re:It depends on who you ask... (5, Interesting)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010697)

Don't worry, I RTFA and they didn't mention any. But 2 points:

1. This is not seasonally adjusted. OK, reliable seasonal adjustment is not easy in usch a small data set, but comparing November to Septemer is a misnomer. In November college students have got they computer systems set up and want some entertainment but September they're just starting out and havn't got their computers set up (and the whole April-September season they're working or on holiday). How about some quantitive statistics so YoY% growth can discount seasonality.

2. I have noticed a serious decline (this is a personal observation, not any scientific analysis) in my turnover in several key P2P networks recently. Since Kazaa acted against KazzaLite clients and servers on the Kazaa network seem to have significantly fallen (thoug the population stats in the client browser show similar numbers as before), I suspect Kazaa implemted an update on the protocol, but don't have any details. On eDonkey it is increasingly hard to et a connection, let alone a decent DL rate, but ULs are saturated. On WinMX there has been a decline in availibility of most files. I would like to know the cause of these changes (it can't all be a updated implementation on Kazaa and a contagion effect on other protocols can it?!).

I, for one, have stopped (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010560)

I buy all my CDs now. It's the ehtical thing to do.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010617)

I do too. I buy all CD's USED. cince buying used CD's gives ZERO profit to the RIAA and pisses them off to no end.

the only new Cd's I buy have been from IUMA artist and other indie bands I have found online and at their concerts.

do I download music on a p2p netowrk? hell yeah. but then I buy that used CD to get a better copy of the recording.

I suggest that EVERYONE buy used cd's only whenever possible. it will help a small business in your area, plus it will smack the RIAA in a way that royally pains them but they can do nothing about.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (0, Troll)

bpm140 (92250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010719)

Buying used Cds is only one small step above piracy. Sure, it gives nothing to the RIAA, but it also gives nothing back to the artists.

I am a games developer and this is been a major issue with our industry. The rise of used game sales is far scarier than outright piracy.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010747)

Buying used tables is only one small step above piracy. Sure, it gives nothing to the CIAA (Carpentry Industry Association of America), but it also gives nothing back to the carpenters.

I am a blacksmith and this is been a major issue with our industry. The rise of used hammers is far scarier than outright piracy.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010748)

Why dont you tell us what company you work for..
oh because nobody would ever buy your games again because of that inane attitude?

and you know buying a used car is only one small step above car theft, it steals money from the car makers.

Oh and don't buy anything off e-bay, as you are stealing from all those manufacturers...

I have heard this argument from software people before.. It's the same as how people that continue to use an old version of the software they bought 5 years ago are stealing from the programmers and software developers.

If you truthfully feel that way, then I pity you as you have a dismal outlook on life.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010812)

Buying used houses is only one small step above piracy. Sure, it gives nothing to the Freemasons, but it also gives nothing back to the builders.

I am a builders and this is been a major issue with our industry. The rise of used house sales is far scarier than outright piracy.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (-1, Flamebait)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010848)

I am a games developer and this is been a major issue with our industry. The rise of used game sales is far scarier than outright piracy.
Fuck-off and die.

Artist gets ZERO from used CDs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010767)

You might as well have downloaded as far as they're concerned.

Re:Artist gets ZERO from used CDs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010787)

but there is NOTHING they can do about it. that is the utter cool part, they can whine and bitch all they want, but they can do NOTHING.

anything to screw them by plaing by the rules is golden.

I strongly suggest that others do the same... It's called using their system against themselves.. and it works most anywhere...

The artist got their money. (3, Interesting)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010838)

When the first person got that copy. There's no reason why the artist should get another cut just because it changes hands.

You're still helping the RIAA (4, Informative)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010810)

Since by buying the used CD you raise it's value in the market, and make it more likely someone will buy the CD new (either because it doesn't cost much more new or they can't readily find the CD used since it's in demand). If you really want to stop helping them go here [magnetbox.com] and use it to stop buying music that supports them all together. I'm too weak though, several of my favorite bands have record contracts with the RIAA.

Re:I, for one, have stopped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010816)

This should work for quite a while,
but what happens when no one buys them new anymore?
The used CD stores go out of business!
You my friend, are trying to run those nice, small used-CD stores into the ground!

Re:I, for one, have stopped (4, Interesting)

10101001 10101001 (732688) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010825)

> I do too. I buy all CD's (sic) USED. cince (sic) buying used CD's (sic) gives ZERO profit to the RIAA and pisses them off to no end.

The fact that you and others buy used CDs creates a secondary market upon which primary CD buyers can rely upon to exist. Therefore, they're more likely to buy CDs in the first place and later on as they use the money from selling their CDs to used CD shops. The net result is increase sales. Hypothetically, used CD sales are a net loss as the total times the CD is sold decreases the net profit per sale. Hypothetically, also, CD makers make more as the used CD sales allow for CD makers to have a higher initial markup as the cutting-edge buyers pay a premium price and even buy a lot more CDs than they'll keep, selling most to used CD shops.

The sad part about this is the latter occurs with the real cost of production (excluding markup, which amounts to the price) is cheaper than used CD prices, and pirating CDs is even cheaper. The whole point of the used market, I always thought, was about selling objects that are in worse condition for a cheaper price than retail. But with intellectual property, you're selling a right to the work which is independent of the media it is pressed into, so why are used copyrighted works cheaper (realizing that most people wouldn't want to buy a used CD that doesn't play properly)?

Want to find a used store, here's a huge list... (3, Interesting)

tentimestwenty (693290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010866)

A hobby of mine:

RecordStoreReview.com [recordstorereview.com]

Most have pictures and reviews so you know where to go at a glance.

You have new cds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010804)

Cool - whats your Kazaa screen name, I can't wait to ...uh...sample your new cds :)

thirst frost! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010562)

pirst fost!
poist foist!
poost foost!
fyist pyist!

ha!
it's dumb

fail post~! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010588)

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I haven't used p2p in months (4, Informative)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010568)

I've been getting my music via second hand stores or I've been getting free (not bootlegged, but totally freely given) music from places like http://www.modarchive.com.

I'll keep going until the companies that support the RIAA are bankrupted or they relent with their assault on fair use rights.

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010629)

Running Linux is like owning a Lightsaber. Only interesting to terminal geeks.

(sorry couldn't resist)

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010858)

::bzzz:: ::whoosh:: ::stab::

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (0, Troll)

Iamthewalrus (688963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010668)

Or until you die.

Which one do you think is more likely?

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (1)

Neop2Lemus (683727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010744)

I like it.

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (5, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010780)

I use P2P services even now. I downloaded Fedora 1.0 at a rate of about 2-4x that I was getting from an FTP server. When you're sucking down a trio of 600+ MB isos, that's a big savings!

Why do we assume that P2P networks are only being used by college students who want porn and music... could there perhaps be professionals in the industry out there too?

Re:I haven't used p2p in months (3, Interesting)

pherris (314792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010791)

Flashback ... Amiga 1200 and deathjester mods ...

Mod files were incredible 10 years ago and are still pretty good today. I'm a little surprised that it never really caught on (which is too bad). I guess marketing does matter. Imagine one of those cheapo 64M USB flash drive / mp3 players (~$50USD) that could play mods. Since they're a lot of them around that are 100k or less that's a lot of music. Plus they transfer so much better than mp3s over a slow connection.

The parent posting was enough for me start exploring mods again. Thanks.

Yet another story about RIAA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010569)

Now how about some important news. Like the fact that GOATSE.cx (you know, that guy with that butt) has been KNOCKED OFF THE INTERNET!

This is NOT offtopic, troll, flamebait. It is very informative! Go to goatse.cx (no hyperlink for obvious reasons) and see that ITS GONE!

SAVE GOATSE.cx!

Re:Yet another story about RIAA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010577)

I can think of few eventualities more worthy of celebration than the demise of that thing.

Re:Yet another story about RIAA! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010659)

And you check this site, how often?

Re:Yet another story about RIAA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010682)

It's real! Check out the WHOIS data [www.nic.cx] :
Registrant Information:
Domain Name: goatse.cx
Creation Date: 2001-07-10 09:35:12
Expiration Date: 2005-01-06 00:00:00
Last Modified: 2004-01-17 10:49:23

Nameservers:

Status: REGISTRY LOCK

Registrar: CITC (http://www.NetDNS.cx/)
Whois Server: whois.nic.cx
Let us join together in celebration of this glorious day.

Re:Yet another story about RIAA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010691)

Wow! You've gotten people to visit goatse, WITHOUT a hyperlink! Nice one.

Re:Yet another story about RIAA! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010757)

ALERT

The CX Registry has shut off the goatse.cx domain suddenly and without warning.

They have cowardly cited a section of their AUP with allows them to remove sites at their discretion.

Please e-mail ----@---.-- with your opinion of this matter.

This is indeed a glorious day. Kudos to Christmas Island.

It never really stopped (4, Insightful)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010574)

What the RIAA doesn't seem to realize is that, people are able to block certain IP addresses in many of the client programs. Thus, when the RIAA goes online looking for traffic, they see fewer clients.

The other thing they don't seem to realize is that, there's more to "illegal file sharing" than Kazaa. It could be that people have cut down on their Kazaa use and have gone to other P2P programs.

Re:It never really stopped (1)

Zycom (720889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010592)

Except the RIAA isn't the one looking for traffic, its being done by an independant research group using a combination of software and random surveys.

Re:It never really stopped (2, Informative)

EinarH (583836) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010834)

It's not just the RIAA IP they block...:
PeerGuardian v1.99b pr11
http://xs.tech.nu

http://www.peerguardian.net

Successfully loaded 395213296 IPs from 3098 profiles.

An idea . . . (2, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010576)

Let's all go buy a bunch of CD's, and share the files vi P2P. That'll REALLY screw with the statistics. . .;)

Re:An idea . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010667)

Yeah, that way both CD sales and illegal trading will go up. On one hand they'll have to tell that their actions were successful and on the other that piracy is everincreasing problem. Boy, will they be confused then huh?

How it all works (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010586)

or Ignoring that Cognitave Dissonance

You may notice a large number of posts made on Slashdot concering KaZaA, or similar programs such as Gnutella or FreeNet. Often these will be posted under "Your Rights Online" (YRO), in order to show how the use of KaZaA affects your "rights". You may wonder what the hell programs whose sole purpose is to circumvent copyright laws is doing on a conservative (yes, I mean it) site such as Slashdot.

Let me explain to you. In the back of their minds, most Slashdot readers ("Slashbots") know that they simply don't want to pay for anything which they can get illegally for free. Most people are exactly the same way. KaZaA et al allows them to get music for free, so they use it. They know that this is copyright violation, which is a bad thing to do. This brings them feelings of guilt which they want to do away with.

How do they do this? They rationalize it away. It's the copyright laws that are wrong, not them. DCMA needs to be rewritten. The MPAA needs to be destroyed. It's an expression of free speech. And those greedy record companies take all the money anyway. Never mind that with pirate mp3s the artist never sees any money anyway. This way, they are sticking it to "the Man", who exists to make life difficult for 31337 Linux users like themselves. Yes, it is flimsy, and yes, it allows them to take the moral high ground by robbing hard-working artists. Yes, many will say that modern popular music is all horrible anyway, and that their favorite music is the only worthwhile type, but then go on to slam others for being "elitist" in any discussion in which Gnome or KDE is mentioned.

And what about the Lindows beta? Didn't that violate the GPL by attaching a boilerplate NDA? And remember the cries of the Slashbots that Lindows should be sued, destroyed. boycotted, etc.? All because Lindows who was helping out the Linux community mistakenly added a certain clause to their beta, which violated the GPL. As you can see, the "community" is quick to cry foul when the copyrights on their software is violated, even by companies with good intentions. Our copyright good, yours bad.

It's called "hypocrisy" and if you read Slashdot enough, you'll have to get used to it.

Now ask yourself exactly why ther is coverage of KaZaA on a site obstensibly devoted to Free Software. KaZaA is proprietary as hell. Those protocol specs had to be reverse engineered. Isn't proprietary software bad? Isn't all free software superior? Isn't "open sourcing" a piece of software the best way to improve it?

These are all bleatings of the party lines. Here, we consider proprietary software Evil until Rob Malda tells us otherwise, or it gets ported to Linux. Then it becomes a special class of proprietary software which somehow becomes better than the rest. KaZaA is one example. Lindows is another. Somehow, they are able to ignore this seemingly large discrepency by claiming that these companies are "helping" the "community". The only one being helped is VA Research^WLinux^WSoftware who gets to sell ads to these people after giving them free publicity on the most popular "Linux" site of them all.

Stop lying to yourselves.

Re:How it all works (3, Interesting)

Oddster (628633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010672)

You are missing one key motivating factor behind downloading: It is the only way to nearly instantly (on hi-speed) obtain a song or a movie.

Sure, you could drive to a store, but that involves getting off your ass, which is something manking has been trying to do less and less of since the Industrial Revolution. And store collections are severely limited compared to online collections.

The point is, there is a demand for instant on-demand entertainment, there's obviously the technology, but the only people who can allow it legally are dragging their feet.

Re:How it all works (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010764)

...except there are legal ways of buying and downloading music. See iTMS for one often-used example (although it's not available where I live, and uses DRM, but you didn't mention either of these points).

Re:How it all works (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010732)

Now ask yourself exactly why ther is coverage of KaZaA on a site obstensibly devoted to Free Software.

Skashdot is not onstensibly devoted to Free Software. You may feel that it is in actuality devoted to Free Software, but then that would contradict your own point. Slashdot is ostensibly devoted to "News for Nerds" and to "Stuff that Matters".

HTH

Re:How it all works (4, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010755)

Yes, downloading is illegal. Yes, it should not be done. For god's sake make the punishment fit the crime though - if I get caught downloading one MP3 I believe that it is not right to sue me for $5000 or more. That's what they expect for the loss of one sale which, if bought through iTunes, would be $0.99 or less.

Also, you mention Freenet's only purpose being copyright violation. Wasn't it's main purpose to help those under opression make their opinions known? Isn't it far too slow for effective copyright abuse anyway? Isn't BitTorrent a P2P client which is usually used for legitimate purposes?

You could've made an interesting point, but get your facts straight first.

reversal doesn't (4, Insightful)

fishbert42 (588754) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010595)

The reversal cast doubts on the music industry's claims that its lawsuits are working to deter people from illegally downloading music files.

I think the legal reversal pertaining to Verizon having to hand over its members' information to the RIAA could explain such a rise. People are more likely to fileshare if they think the RIAA is less likely to be knocking on their door tomorrow. If anything, the lawsuits seemed to be "working" before that Verizon ruling.

Out of sight out of mind (5, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010754)

I suspect one of the reasons for any possible reversal is that as the press about the lawsuits dies down so does peoples conciousness about it.

Scare tactics only work when you are scaring people. That's why the law suits won't work in the long term. You'd not only need new lawsuits all the time but you'd need the press to continue to be bothered to write about them. Otherwise for 99% of people they effectively aren't happening and there's nothing to worry about.

Statistics are dangerous (4, Insightful)

(1337) God (653941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010596)


Statistics are dangerous in the hands of people who may have a certain agenda to push. For example, saying that filesharing goes up 14% could simply imply that more new computer and/or Internet users have signed online to find previews of their favorite music artists' songs. Also, it's very possible that the way these companies conduct these studies of the popularity of file sharing could simply have changed a bit. If one month they're monitoring seven different filesharing networks for their statistics, and they suddenly add an eighth to the mix, the numbers are obviously going to increase.

We need to stop worrying about these silly RIAA lawsuits and about the ethics of filesharing and simply realize that the current music distribution model is horrible. The CD/album is not popular anymore; artists are fueled by hit singles much more so than hit albums. Things like Apple's iPod/iTunes service, while expensive, are a good first step to delivering media content the way people wish to receive it.

Stop letting the media tell you what to do. If you want to use peer to peer software, use it. There's nothing wrong with sharing songs with friends/associates in my opinion, and it only helps to spread the word about music artists and make them and their merchandise more popular. Sharing file is as natural an act as sexual intercourse between a man and woman/man and a man/woman and a woman, so the days of prosecuting it are definitely numbered, and it'll be as laughable in 20 years time as the article 2 nodes down on the Slashdot front page about VCR taping regulations.

Have fun with life and be responsible, but at the same time don't worry about the evil bit devil at the other end of your cable connection reading your data that flows to and fro your machine. There will soon be better options, and hopefully moves like HP licensing Apple iTunes technology, as well as other things, will make the online movies/music environment better than ever.

Re:Statistics are dangerous (1)

cervo (626632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010634)

Actually I agree, but also don't forget that any survey/data collection has error with it. The error is probably over 1% maybe 5-10% in which case an increase from 11% to 12% could just be from the error.

Musiclab's "increase" was quoted above an increase of 1%, the other method didn't even show what type of increase. I bet it could just be a result of the error.

Re:Statistics are dangerous (1)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010683)

Amazing.. you are almost a perfect example of what the anonymous coward a couple posts above you was talking about. I'm flabergasted!

Kudos to the AC

Re:Statistics are dangerous (1)

xilmaril (573709) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010688)

trite but true, as always.

'lies, damn lies, and statistics'.

and just for the sake of using quotation marks,

'never underestimate the power of large groups of idiots'

Do all these statistics really show anything... (4, Insightful)

Meowing (241289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010602)

....except that stuff like this can't really be measured too accurately?

wishful thinking (0)

painehope (580569) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010604)

I guess wake_up_and_smell_the_coffee time just gets that much more imminent for all the hacks at RIAA

Dude, I'm pretty sure that when you smoke that much crack, you probably don't smell anything other than burnt rubber.



( For those who don't know : burning crack smells like setting a tire on fire )

Re:wishful thinking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010641)

that's crank, duh
crack is like budtah

Re:wishful thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010711)

Crack actually smells like fruit punch when it burns. MmMmMmMm ... Kool Aid.

Re:wishful thinking (1)

Neop2Lemus (683727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010685)

Holy crack,

and I thought my neighbours had a tire fire going every weekend.

Ask Your Candidates About Copyright Reform (4, Insightful)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010605)

Is it time to get the DMCA repealed? Do you think the RIAA has gone [slashdot.org] too [suedbytheriaa.com] far [laweekly.com] ? Do you think it's wrong that Disney can get a law passed to keep Steamboat Willie from passing into the public domain - a law that makes it impossible for anyone to expect a newly copyrighted work pass into the public domain during their lifetime?

How about making copyright reform a central issue in the upcoming election?

Very likely most politicians don't know if the DMCA is fit to eat, feel Disney and the RIAA are important campaign contributors whose requests should be given priority, and music downloaders are simple thieves who deserve every bit of punishment they get.

You can change that. But it's going to take some work. There are enough people sharing music in America - more people than voted for George Bush - that if you get off your collective asses and get politically active, you can get laws passed to get the RIAA off your back.

In Change the Law [goingware.com] , I explain that copyright is not a Constitutional right, like free speech. Instead copyright is allowed (but not required) to serve a useful purpose, a purpose which I feel has long since outlived its usefulness.

I suggest steps you can take to bring about copyright reform, ranging from speaking out [goingware.com] to practicing civil disobedience [goingware.com] .

One thing I'd like you all to do today is to write your elected representatives [goingware.com] to ask their opinion of the current state of copyright law given its widespread abuse by organizations like the RIAA and MPAA, and to urge them to work towards copyright reform. Let them know your vote will depend on a positive response.

When you're done writing that letter, write to the other candidates for each office in the upcoming elections, to ask them the same question.

Sixty million American peer-to-peer file traders have the potential to raise a lot of Hell with the politicians. I want every candidate to be peppered with questions about copyright reform at every campaign stop and in every press interview. I want the repeal of the DMCA to be discussed in the Presidential debates.

People marched in protest when Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested. Dmitry is free now - but the law under which he was jailed is still on the books.

If you agree with me that something needs to be done about copyright, I need your help [goingware.com] .

Thank you for your attention.

They'll never figure it out (4, Insightful)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010607)

"The NPD Group, an independent market research firm, reported on Friday that peer-to-peer usage was up 14 percent in November 2003 from September. This upturn comes after six straight months of declines in digital file sharing. Usage dropped dramatically starting in April 2003..."

The first thing from the article that caught my eye was the timing. So the usage declined right around the time all the college students started exams and then went home. Then it picked up again in September...just in time for school to start again.

Next...just what is "usage"? It doesn't specify mp3s, video, documents...nothing. It just says usage. Yet the RIAA will assume it's all mp3s and go nuts again.

There will never be a way to truly determine why usage drops and rises. The RIAA likes to say "it's because we're educating the public", news sources like to say "it's because everyone is afraid of the RIAA's lawsuits", music download companies (ie, iTunes, Napster, etc) like to say "it's because of our services and people would rather get legitimate copies". Nobody knows. This battle will rage for years, we'll see different theories on why it rises and drops, and people will continue to download their files whenever and however they want.

Usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010655)

Next...just what is "usage"? It doesn't specify mp3s, video, documents...nothing. It just says usage. Yet the RIAA will assume it's all mp3s and go nuts again.

Good point. I can't tell if 'usage' refers to number of users online or number of megabytes transfered or number of files transfered or what. And like you pointed out it's difficult to know whether this has anything to do with music at all. Sharing of large movie files and porn clips could really skew the results.

Re:They'll never figure it out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010863)

"Next...just what is "usage"? It doesn't specify mp3s, video, documents...nothing. It just says usage."

dude: usage = pr0n

there are lots of lonely people around xmas

Legal File Sharing (2, Interesting)

JLDohm (741501) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010613)

Could it be that file sharing as a whole has been growing, but that people have been moving from p2p applications to pay-for-music services?

First post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010630)

English: First post!
Spanish: Primer poste!
French: Premiere distribution !
German: Erster Pfosten!
Italian: Primo alberino!
Portugese: Primeiro borne!

Re:First post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010846)

French: Vous foutu echouer il.

Illegally downloading? (0, Flamebait)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010633)

The number of people downloading music illegally surged a month after recording companies began suing hundreds of music fans, a marketing research firm said Thursday.

I still say it is not illegal. If it was legal for me to get a tape and record off the radio, then why is it illegal for me to use my pc? Also, what I HATE about the music industry is they rip people off. They all made secret deals to keep prices high, and they do not pay the artists anything. Why does a CD cost $15 bucks when I can buy a blank one for $0.05 and burn it myself? And if the artist is not getting money, then who is? Plus, this dollar a song crap is just as bad, it still costs 15 bucks to make a CD (yet minus the manufacturing costs, warehouse costs, and store costs). The recording companies are still overcharging.

I say people should keep sharing. If I find some song which tells me something or makes me feel something, I want others to know about it. And if I own that song, I have a right to make as many copies and give them out to whoever I want. I could care less about the RIAA terrorists.

4 million online at Kazaa (3, Informative)

AmVidia HQ (572086) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010638)

That's a rough average of how many are online at a time, the last time I checked. That would be 10 or 100s of millions of Kazaa users. And there are many other P2P systems other that Kazaa.

Can RIAA sue them all? There is strength in numbers. People would not take them seriously, if the chance of getting caught is next to nothing (if you don't share your entire HD worth of britney sphere =b)

endless game of whack-a-mole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010639)

The RIAA is playing an endless game of whack-a-mole. This version of the game has millions of moles though. Some of them are large organizations, some are 12 year old girls.... Let them play if they wish. The people will get what they want, and they want music.

P2P is only one aspect of file-swapping (3, Interesting)

ghettoboy22 (723339) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010640)

I realize the RIAA is aware of the other ways people illegally swap music, but I don't think the press does. P2P is only one aspect.... usenet anyone? IRC? DC? BitTorrent?... I could go on. (Remember those great ratio FTP dump sites before Napster?? yeah those were _GrEaT_ :P ). The "war" being played in the media seems (IMHO) to say "If the RIAA can kill P2P, pirating will be dead". Whatever.

As a side note, I haven't touched anything but iTMS in almost a year (come April). Why would you want to pirate when there are great *legal* alternatives available?

I hope I don't have to remind you (1)

dandelion_wine (625330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010642)

If you don't buy CD's, the terrorists have won!

But don't worry, us Canucks will keep footing our share of the bill. Next step: just include it in our taxes, in case we even think about filesharing.

Re:I hope I don't have to remind you (1)

dandelion_wine (625330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010660)

Oh, and in other news, two tracks on my latest RHCP CD won't load into my multimedia library, regardless of the software I use.

Perhaps it's time we took this fight to them. The courts await...

My sharing has gone up (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010648)

I needed to re-install Win XP, and when I did I left Kazaa lite off.

I now bittorrent most stuff, and use Aquisition (OS X) for the most part.

According to everything I see, filesharing on the Mac is pretty much under the radar, which is fine by me.

Of course, I have a giant FTP server that serves everything I've ever downloaded, ratio free. I only give the addy/name/password to people I know, and that keeps leeches away, as well as the xxAAs. I freely share it all with people who need something. Why not? I know what I'm doing is against the law, but frankly everyone you know does something against the law everyday, whether they know it or not.

This is just my bit of civil disobediece. I'm posting this anon so I don't have a pile of emails asking for access.

Probability of getting sued (5, Interesting)

damacer (713360) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010649)

I think when the RIAA first started to file lawsuits many many people got scared and either stopped filesharing or at least took steps to limit their risk of being sued (e.g. turning of file sharing programs when they're not being used).

I think people are still taking steps to limit their own personal risk (in the article this is reflected by It's important to keep in mind that file sharing is occurring less frequently than before the RIAA began its legal efforts to stem the tide of P2P). However, looking at people I know, I think a significant number of them who completely stopped filesharing when the RIAA started to file lawsuits are starting to do so again. My theory on this is that they've noticed that all of the people they know who still use p2p have not gotten sued, so they've concluded that some p2p usage is probably safe. This empirical result makes sense given the large number of p2p users, and the proportionaly limited number of lawsuits the RIAA has been able to file. Note that, this doesn't mean that p2p services are necessarily safe, it just means that for the majority of the population it appears that they are less dangerous then they might have thought they were a few months ago.

Underground (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010650)

In my corner of the world all this RIAA stuff has
just pushed things further underground. Small networks consisting of trusted ssh users and sneaker net via usb2.0 external drives is the most common way of moving media around here and no one has to worry about RIAA and friends seeing what's going on.

which one (1)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010657)

alright so which the best p2p app for music, softare, movies, etc.

Re:which one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010826)

File Donkey a/o BitTorrent dude
I'm guessing you have no access to "l33t h4xors"

Time for more useless Michael postings! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010670)

My encounter with Kathleen Fent at a party...

I remember it well...it was my junior year in high school, and Kate and I were at the same party. She had been doing rails of coke all night and swigging Jack Daniels like nothing any of us had ever seen. You could tell this was something that she had done often, as the sheer amount of intoxicants that she had been consuming did not seem to affect her one bit.

I was hesitant to approach her...she was not really the type of girl I dated usually -- I went for the cheerleader/popular girl type who you were guaranteed to at least get a blow job by the first date. Fast girls -- not the kind of girls that required at least two dates to get a kiss on the cheek and a raging case of blue balls. Yet tonight was different. I was particularly randy, and Kate was there snorting enough coke to supply a small country. She was considered to be in the geeky chick group -- the girls that weren't hot, but were tolerable enough to hang around outside of school. But I didn't care...she looked like she wanted to get fucked -- and hard.

Finally I made my move. I had made eyes with her all night and I finally went to talk to her. I came over to her and before I could get out "Hi, my name is..." she grabbed my penis and started massaging it. There was a bathroom nearby, which no one was occupying at that moment, so I motioned for her to join me in it -- she accepted.

We enter the bathroom and lock the door, and she didn't even bother to kiss me or anything -- she dropped straight to her knees and whipped out my dick, and practically swallowed it whole. I'm no John Holmes, but they don't call me tic-tac either; I'm working with a good 8 inches or so, and she deep-throated it -- just like that.

I knew there had to be a catch to this. I felt around and grabbed her crotch, only to notice that she was on her period. I wasn't sure what to do, and then I asked her if she wanted it like a dirty whore and take it in the ass. Luckily, I had a condom with me that was lubricated, but it was obvious that she had been an anal pro and had already relaxed her sphincter to the point where my cock just slid in. It was the best ass I had ever had and she loved every inch of it in her ass. I couldn't last long -- her ass was still tight, surprisingly. I pulled it out and whipped off the condom, and unleashed my white wave into her waiting mouth. She swallowed every last drop of it. After I finished, I put my pants back on and wasn't sure what to say to her, but she smiled and left the bathroom. It was like she knew that I just wanted to fuck her and leave and not say shit to her.

After the encounter in the bathroom, I didn't see her for the rest of the night. I did see her occasionally at school and we exchanged smiles, but we never mentioned our hot anal session in the bathroom at that party. I still look back on it fondly. I'll always remember that 10 minutes of fun in the bathroom with Kate.

Wasn't it the other way around weeks ago? (1)

vicparedes (701354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010677)

Or is the RIAA unleashing another pandemic because sales increase (not surprisingly) failed to materialize after suing the pants off of adolescents and geriatrics?

There's something sinister at work here. On the one hand the RIAA claimed weeks ago that P2P-sharing is down. Now it's the contrary?

Statistics can prove anything... (4, Insightful)

ttldkns (737309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010680)

You should never rely on statistics if you cant see the evidence. For all we know they could count this on how many people download off a server they set up. They could even run kazaa and look at the blurb in the status bar at how many users are online and how much theyre sharing and monitor it over time. With no way to know dont take this too seriously, and its rediculous that big companies will use trashy figures to promote their products. it just doesnt seem to matter these days companies dont care as long as they can dupe their customers into buying their product. Bottom line, dont even trust a %.

70 % of people i spoke to agree to this post with 100% of them being imagined.

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Count me among new file sharers (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010692)

I own more than 1,500 CDs. Up until recently, I owned an additional 400 cassettes, but they degraded so much over time that I eventually had to pitch them after several unsuccessful attempts to record them as MP3s. I have purchased, on average, three to four CDs, every week for the past several years.

Prior to this year, I had very little experience with file sharing. I always thought it took too long, required too much effort and I didn't want to worry about poor rips at low bitrates. I thought both sides have their collective heads up their collective asses. Traders whining about copyright law vs theft and the music industry doing everything they can to destroy themselves. I don't know what's more annoying, people saying that they steal because music is overpriced, or label executives saying that traders will put low-level employees out of business. Show me that trailer with the stuntman again and I'll barf! Plus, I liked to point out that just about every complete album I downloaded I ended up purchasing. It seemed like P2P was a non-issue and both sides were idiots.

Then I got sick over the holidays and ended up hanging out in bed. After my third straight day of Bond movies on Spike, I decided to see how long it would take to download Pitchfork's [pitchforkmedia.com] Top 50 Singles of 2003 on a P2P network. By the end of the night I had the complete list, and suddenly the challenge was "How long would it take to download their top 50 ALBUMS of the year.

In the last two weeks I've downloaded nearly 50 CDs (Only six of them were on Pitchfork's list). Many have been out of print albums, but many more have been straight-up recent commercial releases. The quality is awesome and modern software enables you to queue up a long list of files and forget about it.

I now see what the RIAA has been so afraid of. Just a few weeks ago I was spending $50 a week on CDs. Now I drive by a record store and think "What sort of chump pays for music?" I don't download because music is expensive -- I download because it's too freakin' EASY. If one of their strongest customers is so easily turned, what's up with the casual consumer. The media companies are screwed.

Decline of Individual Music File Sharing... (4, Informative)

aSiTiC (519647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010695)

..does not mean decline in total music file sharing. People are moving to downloading complete ALBUMS via eDonkey/eMule. Users don't want to deal with many, many rips of the same song (many of which are faked) on KaZaA.

As a quick check visit top 100 lists such as Pitchfork top 50 of 2003 [pitchforkmedia.com] , which contains sub-pop music flavors. Now search for the albums on edonkey networks with clients or FileDonkey [filedonkey.com] . It's amazing to see so many RARs and ZIPs.

Less fakes, more helpful comments, better hashing, etc... at least for time being.

Am I being watched? (4, Interesting)

i love pineapples (742841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010696)

On a slightly related note, I have noticed getting a hit or to from http://www.riaa.com in my referrer logs. Should I be scared?

It ought to be on the rise. Goodbye RIAA. (4, Insightful)

twitter (104583) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010706)

With all the advertising those goons at the RIAA have given the concept, there are few people who have not heard about file sharing. When you tell people that a 12 year old girl in the housing projects can have thousands of songs on her PC, people understand that there's nothing out there that they can't find free of charge. Do they expect people not to go try it out after all that publicity?

They have also critically damaged people's sympathy to them. If 100 year copyrights were not bad enough, threatening 12 year olds and grandparents was. Few people have any sympathy for publishers who are making money off dead artists, artists they hardly pay and stuff they could have recorded off the radio 40 years ago. Everyone knows that music recorded in 1902 paid for itself by 1903 and the big publishers are nothing but greedy control freaks.

The continued rise of file sharing spells the end of the 5 big dumb music publishers. Music is being libreated from it's comercial clutches and all sorts of wonderful acts will flourish and profit without those goons in the way. People basking in a variety of music and cultural service the comercial world never delivered will not put RIAA chains back on. They will understand they were right and when the money goes from the RIAA, so too goes their propaganda and fewer and fewer people will be mislead. Good riddance.

I know for one that I have changed p2p app (5, Interesting)

speeDDemon (nw) (643987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010713)

As im sure alot of /.'s are aware their is a program out there called Bittorrent [bitconjurer.org] .

My preferred client is Bittorrent++ [sourceforge.net] .

Now, if you like to download stuff in an environment that kinda reminds me of the ol audiogalaxy days I strongly recommend you try out Suprnova.org [suprnova.org] . Obviosly this is still subjective to riaa 'snooping' as the clients dont appear to support ip range banning, but since they are Open source, anyone can be free to implement any sort of riaa spoofing/protection.

Look at the Sales Figures (4, Informative)

serutan (259622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010726)

Keep in mind that the litigation campaign and stopping P2P activity are not ends in themselves. The real measure of success of anything record companies do is sales figures. Money is, after all, the only language they understand.

I couldn't find any year-end figures, but here's a look at the RIAA's own sales figures (pdf) [svenrox.com] for the first half of 2003. Notice that CD sales were down 14% from the previous year. Apparently the wave of lawsuits launched in April had no immediate effect on CD sales. However, look at the sales of CD singles. Up 162% ! ! !
Unless I'm crazy, the fact that music sales in album form are down and in singles form are up might indicate that people want to decide which songs they pay for, instead of being forced to buy a few good songs along with a lot of filler.

People have been trying to tell the record industry this for quite a while. With hard evidence in the form of actual money, do you think they still have no clue why their profits in recent years have declined? It's because of their own outdated marketing rather than "piracy."

According to this article in the Register [theregister.co.uk] music sales overall for 2003 fell only 0.8% below 2002. They credit a big rise in music videos on DVD, but the RIAA will no doubt be singing the praises of their legal crusade. Reminds me of Caligula ordering his army to fight back the incoming tide.

Canute (2, Informative)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010800)

Reminds me of Caligula ordering his army to fight back the incoming tide.

Canute [google.com] . Caligula [straightdope.com] was the sister fucker [google.com] .

No more mass subpoenas (3, Interesting)

Ilex (261136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010746)

The Riaa could easily say the recent court ruling preventing them from easily forcing ISP's to hand over customers details are behind the recent rise.

Why Don't Lawsuits INCREASE Traffic? (3, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010773)

Why don't these RIAA/MPAA lawsuits increase traffic on P2P networks?

Now the theory is that they announce these things and people get scared that if they use a P2P they'll get sued right?

Well when are the more likely to find people to sue? When they haven't done it for a while, or the day after they file a suit and are busy with legal stuff? I'm thinking that the time immediatly after the suits are announce would be the SAFEST time to use a P2P service.

Escapology 101 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8010814)

Evidently, a decrease in numbers of people hosting large volumes of files has taken place.. however the P2P networls are all still running well.

I suspect people have taken to downloading files, keeping them a few days or weeks on their shared volumes and then deleting... many people have always done this, when you get a file you help a few more people get it, then delete the shared copy to reduce the likelihood of legal action against yourself

in other words P2P has become more distributed.. more multiply redundant. Less legally actionable.

RIAA, and your counterparts here in Europe. We're the people who you have to thank if you wake up in the morning: everything in your comfy leather-lined world relies on IT support.

Don't screw with us. You'll lose.

The More You Tighten Your Grip... (5, Insightful)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010822)

The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Students... (4, Interesting)

OneFix (18661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8010829)

I think I suggested it when they announced it in December, but it's obvious that college students probably make up the majority of P2P downloaders...and since most schools now offer 24/7 broadband access from dormitories, it would only go to reason that they make up a majority of the uploaders...

The RIAA was trying to spin the end of semester as a win for their cause...but as soon as they released the info, I'm sure they realized the error of their ways...it was only going to last for about a month...

So, why are all schools not blocking P2P??? Because, when you start blocking ports you start to take responsibility for what your users are doing (block KaZaA because it's "bad" and you have to block gnutella too)...most schools are simply throtling the most popular P2P ports...which isn't keeping students from downloading...
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