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Google Eyes New Email Service, Expansion

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the ultimate-internet-moogles dept.

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GillBates0 writes "According to a CNN/Reuters story, Google is developing a service to attach its lucrative keyword-based advertising to email: ''I'm sure Google is getting more and more concerned about locking in users. It wouldn't surprise me if they did something very sophisticated with e-mail,' said Danny Sullivan, editor of SearchEngineWatch.com, who tracks the industry.' Apparently, Google has purchased an e-mail management software maker and registered the domain name googlemail.com. The article also speculates that Google is slowly on the way to becoming a full-fledged portal, with the gradual addition of more and more portal-like features like Froogle."

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Email Services. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024536)

Email Services. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Email Services. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024686)

AWESOME. You seem to be the only troll on this story. As if the millions of others had suddenly... vanished.

Interesting things at google. (-1, Interesting)

tljohnsn (32689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024538)

Is google going to eventually require some kind of stripped down registration for this service? They've slowly (over the past year or so), started to roll out a pervasive registration for their various services (Adsense, Adwords), and optional registration would make sense here too.

On the other side of things, Google stands to make a killing here. Google can sell a new class of ads to people like plumbers, who don't need a webpage. In fact, they could possibly host a minimal web page for those kind of advertisers who just want to show some simple text and services.

Hey, perhaps Google wants to give me some kind of idea fee???

Re:Interesting things at google. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024560)

fee???

Your ?-key seems to be jammed.

Re:Interesting things at google. (5, Interesting)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024676)

On the other side of things, Google stands to make a killing here. Google can sell a new class of ads to people like plumbers, who don't need a webpage.

Back a few months ago I was developing software and the question arose as to whether or not it'd be best to charge for the software or to include ads in it (i.e. Kazaa). It was concluded that Kazaa like ads were too intrusive and text based ads would be appropriate. I emailed Google about whether or not their AdWords could be used in a software environment and they said not at the current moment, but its a possibility for the future. The guy was real nice and forwarded the idea onto some more people inside Google. Personally I think that text based ads would be perfect for situations where you can't open source your project, but you can't (or don't want to)charge for it either, but still want to make profit. For example, you could place a nice little unobtrusive text ad at the bottom of your menus or something. Who knows, maybe we'll see google coming out with this kind of feature in the future.
Regards,
Steve

Re:Interesting things at google. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024871)

take a look at Overture -- they sell a service that does exactly what you are looking for. It's easy to get keyword directed text adds included into your html dynamically from an overture server.

it's not expensive either.

Re:Interesting things at google. (4, Insightful)

cmacb (547347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024716)

My guess is that they will end up looking a lot like Yahoo. I think Yahoo thinks that too, since they have already announced that they want to go head to head with Google's search technology. Yahoo surely hopes that by the time Google starts registering users they will be able to convince their existing user base that there is no need to register at Google too.

I doubt it will be required to register at Google to continue to use their search. You can do a lot of things with Yahoo without setting up an ID there, it's just that you can't do anything that requires it to remember your settings, preferences, etc.

Nothing here (3, Interesting)

metalhed77 (250273) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024838)

You only have to register for things that have some business angle to them. Registering for adwords makes sense. Registering to post on google groups makes sense. Registering to use an email address, well you kind of need to. I sincerely doubt that you'll need to log in to search or anything though. My mom gets confused enough trying to log in to windows XP. As far as portal goes it looks like they track people based more on what they're viewing at the present time than historical stats.

Re:Interesting things at google. (2, Funny)

jeffkjo1 (663413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024848)

In fact, they could possibly host a minimal web page for those kind of advertisers who just want to show some simple text and services.

You mean like the yellowpages?

Too Good To Be True (0, Offtopic)

MissMarvel (723385) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024542)

Google is a class act. It's right up there with RefDesk [refdesk.com] for how to provide a quality Internet service with eloquence and style. If Google comes onboard with an email service I'll be one of the first in line.

Re:Too Good To Be True (4, Funny)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024564)

yup

couldn't agree more. google is definitely a class act. like their pop-up blocking software. it blocked 3 for me from that refdesk site.

Re:Too Good To Be True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024606)

& brevity

Re:Too Good To Be True (1)

richard_za (236823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024680)

I would be ashamed comparing Google [google.com] to that RefDesk site [refdesk.com] . It is so riddled with popups it should have been a post on this Slashdot story [slashdot.org] .

Re:Too Good To Be True (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024722)


except that refdesk dont actually have any of their own content, they are just using everyone elses

thanks but iam trying to use the internet to cut out the pathetic middlemen like refdesk with their advert farms

Re:Too Good To Be True (1)

richard_za (236823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024747)

How many useless link farms are out there - especially those who are cybersquatting on expired domains. One the web we need easy access to content .... not links ... to links ... to linls

Re:Too Good To Be True (2, Interesting)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024773)

At this point, there's no need to be worried about their email-based stuff. If I had a machine to download all the mail to, I'd subscribe to their news update service...They do a Google news keyword search and email you the news results every so often. That's what I call staying up-to-date.

Here [google.com] 's an example link. Look at the bottom of the page.

Re:Too Good To Be True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024946)

If Refdesk is a class act, then it's at the first grade level. Its html is bad and it doesn't even look right on my browser.

Moooogle (5, Funny)

manganese4 (726568) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024547)

Just think when you get all your usual spam, it will be annotaed by keyword to other sites that sell similar crap

Re:Moooogle (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024708)

Moooogle

i think square/enix would have a problem with their new service being called "moogle" i mean what if you wanted to look up info about moogles on google?

Re:Moooogle (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024758)

Or worse, buy a stuffed moogle doll?

Can you just imagine somebody saying they're going to froogle moogle on google? It makes the mind boogle.

Re:Moooogle (2, Funny)

K-Man (4117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024808)

Yes, here are some real life examples from my inbox. This will be a really useful service.

Subject: MOV1ES 4 FR33ovol!

Google: Your search - mov1es 4 fr33ovol! - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
- Try fewer keywords.

-
Subject: Man hunter from real life

No man is safe.
Imagine going about your daily life,
then out of nowhere you are attacked
by two of the hottest babez you have
ever seen, whose only intent is to
fack and sack you.

Google:
Re: TCP NewReno, SACK and FACK ... loose more than three packets, you will get ... TCP_FACK, adds 'forward acknowledgments'
to SACK, basically a ... [FACK is considered experimental, but seems to work ...
www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/tech/9810/msg0 0194. html - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

Re: TCP NewReno, SACK and FACK ... Why already writing here, perhaps I should add, if you want to test this stuff, either
compile your ... Follow-Ups: Re: TCP NewReno, SACK and FACK: From: Chris ...
www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/tech/9810/msg0 0190. html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.monkey.org ]

etc....

Google does it again... (4, Interesting)

danielrm26 (567852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024548)

I for one am dumping (or at least sidelining) my other webmail accounts immediately if "googlemail" has the features I need. When is the last time you saw Google down?

At the moment, they can do little wrong in my eyes, and I thouroughly expect to enjoy anything coming out of their company. I just hope that as they grow into the beast they are sure to become that they don't lose the purity and creativity that sets them apart from the rest.

Improve your Google efficiency:
http://www.dmiessler.com/google

Actually... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024766)

About 2 months ago I noticed that Google was down for about 3 minutes.

OMG. I thought that the world was coming to an end.

Re:Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024964)

It was probably a problem on your end, or at least your ISP's end.

Re:Google does it again... (0, Offtopic)

richard_za (236823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024776)

Why not host your own webmail - for ages our (relative small south african) software development company has been hosting our own webmail for internal use. I can see little reason for using a commercial provider .... what's the benefit?

Re:Google does it again... (1)

reidbold (55120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024900)

Um,

1) It's free
2) requires no additional effort
3) requires no additional equipment
4) less security risk
5) free

I can probably think of more, but that's enough for me. I even run my own web server, but don't trust it enough from the point of security or uptime for it to handle my email.

Prepare to be underhwelmed (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024779)

What is left in webmail? The best Google can do is offermore default space than Yahoo and Hotmail. This will cost them money - Yahoo currently soaks $19 a year out of anyone wanting more than 4 MB. Maybe they can do filtering better, but I don't see them outdoing spamassassin etc. Ultimately its just another email address. The geek cachet will wear off quick after everyone you despise starts using googlemail.

Re:Prepare to be underhwelmed (2, Interesting)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024962)

Because Google have a great brand for a straightforward trustworthy service. Maybe someone would like to swap their job_bloggs_1897216@hotmail.com address for job_bloggs@googlemail.com.

The geek cachet will wear off quick after everyone you despise starts using googlemail

Ah, but how about ...@linux.googlemail.com! And if everyone starts using googlemail, then they have won.

Re:Google does it again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024881)

http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html

You work there, or something?

Froogle (5, Interesting)

Rkane (465411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024550)

I don't know about any of you, but "Froogle" hasn't impressed me yet. I am a frequent user of pricewatch [pricewatch.com] and techbargains [techbargains.com] , and Froogle hasn't even come close to matching these. Call me old fashioned, but I sincerely hope that google stays away from the portal business.

Re:Froogle (2, Insightful)

Thrakkerzog (7580) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024695)

why don't you try buying something other than computer hardware or software?

Froogle has much more than computer stuff.

Re:Froogle (2, Insightful)

chmod000 (123913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024760)

Froogle has much more than computer stuff.


Even on the computer stuff page!


Found on the CPU [google.com] page: this link. [clubmac.com]


So what is it really? A pendant PDA?


Looks like Froogle is at the mercy of the sellers when it comes to the content of those links.

Re:Froogle (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024822)

why don't you try buying something other than computer hardware or software?

Are you sure you're on the right website?

Re:Froogle (4, Informative)

RocketScientist (15198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024744)

They seem to do a good job with non-computer bits. Look for a set of 6L6 or EL84 tubes, or a Traxxas Nitro Rustler, or an inflatable christmas tree on Techbargains or Pricewatch and you're very likely to be disappointed.

Re:Froogle (2, Insightful)

lordvdr (682194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024767)

Let me know when they make "!froogle.google.com" Most of the time I want to search for pages that ARE NOT trying to sell me something.

-lv

I checked out techbargains (1)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024951)

And found it funny that CDW advertises there.

Re:Froogle (1)

hahn (101816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024982)

That's not exactly a fair comparison, since Froogle is still in Beta.

The near future.......? (5, Interesting)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024553)

You log into your GoogleMail account, and it has emailed you an entire evening's worth of web crawling for the data you were looking for. It's searched for places for your for your next vacation, and has managed to provide you with not only information, but Froogle'd for the best prices too. It's suggested things you'd like to do, and gone out and found the most popular sites about that as well. All you have to do is log into your Google HomePage and accept its suggestions, or negotiate with your own little GoogleBot for other venues.

Could this be the beginning of intelligent software agents? It would seem that if anyone could bring such a thing to us, it would be the Google folks...

Re:The near future.......? (1)

danielrm26 (567852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024588)

Not that they don't have smart folks to come up with ideas too, but I would keep some of these to yourself and consider proposing them to Google. There could be something in it for you. :)

Re:No. (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024589)

Nice dream, but that's not what this is.

Re:The near future.......? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024626)

no, you're a faggot.

Re:The near future.......? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024786)

haw haw haw i agree he is such a FAGGOT

Re:The near future.......? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024640)

I've been considering writing my own agent, since I'm good at software development and suck at searching. Since I've come up with the idea, it only makes sense that would somebody would develop it now. It used to happen to me all the time: come up with an idea, then read about it being made the next week.

Re:The near future.......? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024649)

I thought hotmail already did this. I'm constantly getting info from them on how to enlarge my penis, and tons of sites with naked women.

If google gets involved, there is sure to be a patent violation somewhere.

The likely future... (2, Interesting)

blunte (183182) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024789)

might be similar to what you describe, but you left out something important.

The crawling that was done for you was silently biased toward Google advertising clients.

And the travel suggestions have been biased toward Google advertising clients.

Oh, and the Froogle selections also were biased toward paying ad customers.

Maybe that's all ok (legally and economically), but it's probably not what you would expect, and as such you'll be working from bad data to make your decisions.

We call this "spam" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024807)

Come on, agents have been around for a long time and ultimately they end up being overrated and annoying.

I'll switch if it's as nice as google (0)

xankar (710025) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024555)

It would be wonderful if their email service were as simple and free of stupid features as their search engine is.

It's a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024557)

Sad to see the great google fall to this, but I understand they need the money, as long as google.com doesn't turn into Yahoo!, I'll stick to Google until the end, if it starts filling with crap like Y!, it's off to find somewhere else....

concerned? (1)

msg1825 (742416) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024563)

"[google] concerned about locking in users" ?! Are companies now concerned about being too popular, having too many customers and making too much money? News to me.

Re:concerned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024673)

D00d I think you are confused. I think google is concerned that they will not have user lock in. Imagine that when google goes public, the search engine starts to get a little too clustered/commercial. Gets a few pop-ups that the google-bar doesn't block. Well users would leave right? Not if you lock them in with their webmail as well. Now when users come to check their mail, they will also use your service.

I think this is the intended meaning from the submitters words.

--Boy George

Portals (5, Interesting)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024565)

So what's wrong if Google becomes a portal? I certainly see enough people complaining about it. As long as the search engine still works pretty well...
As for "locking in" users, I would hardly compare this to the wonderful lock-in schemes we've seen out of Redmond.
Google email... would that mean that they parse my text and attach a keyword-based ad to it? :)

Re:Portals (3, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024721)

My answer to this is

(1) I don't want a portal.
(2) Historically, when search services become portals, their search services suffer as a result, or else try to force you to jump over all their portal "features" to use the search features you came to use.
(3) I have multiple times in the past found myself having to stop using a search engine (for example, altavista) because they just couldn't keep their frigging portal-ness out of my face.

If google added portal features, I'd be OK with that as long as I could just keep using the search and not have to think about their portal. However I just have trouble trust that anyone, even google, could start "being a portal" and yet not have their core service lose focus or otherwise suffer as a result.

Re:Portals (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024818)

To me, portal has always been a buzzword that translated to information overload. Google has always tried to avoid information overload in their search engine. I figure, if anybody can do a portal right, it will be Google.

Oy. (5, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024570)

Dear Google,

Instead of messing around with all this e-mail stuff, how about you concentrate on actually making your search engine useful again? It has become completely overrun with results like sony.dscp10.reviews.digital.cameras.hot.sex.now.fr eesexsite.com that it's becoming incredibly hard to actually get any information out of it. It used to be that when I searched for a product, you gave me user/site reviews on that product. Now, all I get is a bunch of people trying to make me buy it from them.

Please remedy this before trying to do other things.

Thank you.

Re:Oy. (1)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024660)

Agreed. The recent trend you mention is most certainly a plague in the Google world. My search results have been contaminated with all sorts of advertisements and E-Bay links posing as potentially worthwhile.

Re:Oy. (1)

edalytical (671270) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024748)

I was just thinking the same thing. Google is a search engine company, why not just concentrate on improving what they do best.

Maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere. I like the idea of Nutch [nutch.org] the effort to implement an open-source web search engine.

Re:Oy. (5, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024752)

Remember when yahoo! had a useful catalog of sites? Remember when their search/catalog started sucking? remember when they added featres like email, new, stock quotes, chat, etc?

Remember when google had a useful search engine....

hopefully misinformation (1)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024576)

unless google has something innovative up their sleeve, i urge them to avoid making the standard portal play. look where yahoo is today. google has an amazing brand and great technology - they should leverage these resources when they think of something truly innovative....

Keep the Look (5, Insightful)

Saige (53303) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024578)

As far as I am concerned, they can start offering e-mail, or whatever. They can become as much of a portal as they want.

Just don't destroy the simplicity of their search engine's front page by tacking on all sorts of ads and images and text. The bare-bones website they offer up for searches is so much more efficient and, I feel, better for serving the purpose of what Google primarily is - a high quality search engine.

If they start tacking all sorts of crap to it, they'll become just like everyone else, and lose their uniqueness. It'll still be a high quality search engine, but without stand-out packaging.

Google AdSense and e-mail (2, Informative)

glinden (56181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024585)

Google's AdSense [google.com] program, which allows you to get paid for ads on your website, explicitly prohibits [google.com] using it in e-mail, but it may not be a big deal to start allowing that. Seems like just releasing that restriction and a little work for targeting of ads to e-mails instead of websites would mean that Google's advertising system could be applied to e-mail.

portals (1, Interesting)

funny-jack (741994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024586)

The difference, the way I see it, between Google and the other so-called Internet "portals" out there is that Google develops useful technologies one at a time, tweaking them here and there, and then adds them to the main site when they think that is is a useful enough feature to have. Yahoo and the like just threw together as many features as they could think of, slapped it into a pretty (debatable) interface, and hoped the feature-bloat would attract people.

Google continues to expand their services but... (5, Interesting)

HMA2000 (728266) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024594)

Is it just me or does it seem like google is getting further and further away from what they are good at (excellent search results) and closer and closer to a Yahoo type service?

I am sure the money must be great for introducing services like these but aren't they canabalizing their value by introducing these new services while at the same time polluting their search results?

Re:Google continues to expand their services but.. (1)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024623)

Ha. Looks like we had the same thought [slashdot.org] at the same time.

Re:Google continues to expand their services but.. (1)

HMA2000 (728266) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024658)

Wow! We must of. I even had "core competency" typed out but then remembered that this was slashdot and such business-y terms are frown upon.

You are a brave man and I salute you.

Thus it begins (4, Funny)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024599)

1) Web-based company? Check.
2) Do one thing incredibly well? Check.
3) Do one thing so well you got MS nervous? Check.
4) Slowly expanding offerings that move more and more away from core competancy? Check.
5) Try and become everything for everyone? Check.
6) Spiral and burn?

The pencil is poised. I hope to god its not true.

Mod parent up (1)

Corbie (685225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024683)

It would be a sad day to see Google go portal . . personally, I think it would be nice if they stuck with 2).

Re:Thus it begins (4, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024714)

Exactly my fear.

Google has done it's one thing so well, they should just be happy with it.

If they feel the need to go portal ( and let me just say "#1 fucking retarded idea of the year...but whatever" ), they should launch an entirely different site ( and company, preferrably ).

If they feel the need to do so, add shit like "From the makers of Google!"

Re:Thus it begins (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024981)

I'd guess that the business managers at Google understand what their magical franchise is, and that they'll do anything they can to avoid screwing it up.

Wild Speculation (5, Insightful)

sithkhan (536425) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024602)

Isn't this a perfect time for Google to announce such a common, easily identifible service as this than at this particular juncture? How better to prepare the investing world to sell this upcoming IPO to Main Street Techno-Neophyte Investors than to say that Google is expanding, and that they even have email services ... Plus, think about those eyeballs that will be locked into those browser-based email pages, and all the ad space that comes with them. I am a cynic, but that's just me. I'll still sign up for the service!

Free? (2, Interesting)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024612)

You have to wonder who google is going to get people into this. Will it be the traditional yahoo/hotmail approach where you get 5MB free and then upgrade, or prehaps they will just go fora decent free emails service ala normal ISP. Intresting to see how they make money

Rus

Re:Free? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024817)

maybe they will offer free SEX WITH A MARE fuckface

Then again... (4, Interesting)

loserbert (697119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024613)

...all of this could be driven by the fact that they are working on an IPO.

They may be the kindest, gentlest search engine and downright good people, but cash is cash. Everybody wants more. More features means more users means more money.

Google needs help (5, Interesting)

DRue (152413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024619)

Google is still on top of the market. But, more and more often I am getting bad results from a search. By bad results I mean that instead of getting the best site, I get the most commercial site.

I would really like google to get a feature that instead of listing the name and summary of a web page, lists JUST the domains of returned results. i.e. if I search for "mp3 player", i get back
www.apple.com
www.rio.com
www.othermp3play er.com

--- not buying google IPO

Re:Google needs help (2, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024771)

well doing one for own use wouldn't be that hard.. with googleapi it would be quite easy to do a page for your own use that only did that(just showed the domain names). that's one nice thing about google..

Re:Google needs help (2, Interesting)

mopslik (688435) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024815)

...instead of getting the best site, I get the most commercial site... i.e. if I search for "mp3 player" ...

The problem with this example, of course, is that the context is rather difficult to discern. Are most web surfers looking for a review of a certain MP3 player, or are they looking for a cheap online store to snag an easy Xmas gift? Both contexts would demand two different sets of search results.

To find reviews and datasheets (or other non-commercial pages), it's pretty much necessary to add +review or +specifications to your search. Now, the fact that these results are sub par is another matter entirely.

As for returning just the domains, I'm not too sure why you'd want that. First of all, Google indicates the domain below the site's description. Why not look there? I find it's easy to eliminate bogus links that way. Second, searches would be good if domain names were immediately identifiable by product names, but they are often not. For example, I just installed FreePDF on a few Windows machines. The domain returned would be "www.webxd.com", which would leave me wondering if that was really the correct site or just another Spam farm.

Still, interesting...

Not impressed yet... (1)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024621)

Just because it's Google doesn't mean it's going to be good. Froogle hasn't impressed me at all. Dealing with Usenet used to be much better under Dejanews. Unless they can offer better spam filters that Yahoo, I'm not switching.

Google-powered spam filtering? (3, Insightful)

richard_za (236823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024625)

The guys are at Google are so innovative [google.com] , I'm sure they could come up with some spam filtering technology. They could leverage info from their USENET archive [google.com] or the web.

Lock (4, Insightful)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024637)

I'm sure Google is getting more and more concerned about locking in users

It's only a lockin if the users want to leave but can't. Google has a good history with users, I wouldn't expect them to do any less with a mail client.


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Two Words.... (3, Funny)

Anonimo Covarde (669695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024638)

Embrace and extend.

less on the actual web serving? (4, Insightful)

TheCoop1984 (704458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024641)

it seems to me that the more google branches out into these extra services the more the only reason for google's success - the web searching - will be lost and ignored. I really hope google doesnt become like www.yahoo.com, which is simply an eyesore and completely useless as it tries to do too much...

connection with IPO (1, Redundant)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024650)

wonder if they are planning on making any of these announcements around the same time they hit the stock market. Might just make them even more money.

Maybe they have found a way to kill spam? (2, Funny)

JumperCable (673155) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024651)

Think of it. Every spam you get from here on in would be laced with links to their own viagra, herbal diet products & work from home options. The real spammers would never have a chance.

Anyone else having trouble with google? (4, Interesting)

Denver_80203 (570689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024653)

Seems like in the last few months, Google searches have turned up other "search engines" as a top result or 4 out of the top 5. So, as an example, I search for "foo" and most of the top results lead me to another (crappy) google like site with it's own results for "foo". The feeling I get from those sites is similiar to those crappy sites you end up on when mis-spelling a URL.

I would like a Journal tab in Google. (5, Insightful)

F34nor (321515) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024667)

Wouldn't it be great if you could use Google to search full text all the refereed scientific journals?

That would make the internet into what it was made for, free open exchange of scientific work.

A LexusNexus Tab would kick ass to but might be a little pricey.

Groups (2, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024689)

However, since it opened in 1998, Google has added portal-style discussion groups and is testing a comparison shopping site called Froogle, as well as a news site.

Is that really a "discussion groups" section as much as Google's newsgroup browser? It's not really a Google service as much as a Google interface to a web-wide service.

This is no surprise (5, Funny)

dmoore (2449) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024720)

According to the law of software envelopment [jwz.org] :
Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.

Email was inevitable for Google (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024732)

Ultimately this is the only long-term sticky application on the web. This is true for Microsoft and Yahoo, who leverage entire networks of services based on the id people initially used to get their email.

What is sad is that most useful email addresses @google.com will be swallowed up within ten minutes of the service going live, so you'll be back to charlie055539833 or cooldude1975 as your userid there too.

Get used to Google losing its agnostic stance after it goes public. Stop thinking of Google as a round-about and more as a parking lot.

I doubt it will take significant market share (1)

metroid composite (710698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024738)

People stick with the service they're used to. I don't see any other search engine replacing Google as the leader anytime soon. I don't see any instant messaging program outdoing AIM (which is significant because it means most of the people I know use AIM). I don't see any free email service being larger than Hotmail anytime soon (despite how yahoomail may try).

Call me cynical I guess...

SlashGoogle? (1)

headqtrs (467875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024775)

Will they also let you comment on their news articles? Dupes inclusive?

Bad move (4, Interesting)

Krafty Koder (697396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024783)

it's a bad bad move on google's part. The infrastructure needed (and the sysadmin) to provide a robust, spam-free , web based email system is of a sheer magnitude greater than just being pure search.
For starters , the tech support will ramp up ,and add to google's costs. And Googlemail will become the numero uno target for spammers.
If I were the Google founders, I quite honestly wouldn't bother - it's to much hassle and dilutes the Google "brand".
But then again, the IPO is coming up, so having a "webmail" component is an easy sell to "analysts" in Five Points ...ahem... Wall Street I mean.

no (1)

relrelrel (737051) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024797)

is this just Google turning itself into Yahoo!?

I simple want a search engine, and are yet to use anything else from Google. If I was them, I'd probably prefer to start these things up under a different name, at the moment most of their stuff is hidden in Google.com which most people won't find unless they go huntin`.

blogger.com (1)

richard_za (236823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024811)

Didn't google acquire , how come I haven't seen much integration.

Pipe dream "what if": (2, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024819)

What would be interesting is if what Google did was release spam blocking software.

It seems to me that blocking spam, and weeding out google-exploit spam search results, are the same sort of text processing / arms race sort of problem. Research on the latter, which is what Google is working on right now, will probably lead to techniques helpful in the former. So if they're looking at expanding into email, it seems like that would be a likely area for them to expand into...

Of course, given, they aren't right now doing a good JOB of filtering out the google-exploit spam results, but I expect they'll unveil some kind of brandnamed technology attempting to deal with the problem sometime shortly before MSN's search engine is released...

I just hope if they offer email addresses, they offer some, you know, better domans. I'm sorry, I don't want to be "mcc@google.com".

This Does Not Mean Google Is Becoming A Portal (4, Insightful)

reidbold (55120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024840)

Go to google.com, then go to yahoo.com (if you're using a good browser, view them in tabs side by side). You'll notice Google has their search bar prominently in the middle of the page, surrounded by 13 links, 4 of them are for searching, 1 for the news service, 3 setup options. Also, out of the way at the bottom are links to info about the company.

Now look at yahoo, the search bar is at the top (good) but there are probably over 100 links to all of the various parts of yahoo arranged in a, *gasp*, portal like fashion.

It seems obvious that for google, searching remains job 1, while for yahoo, searching competes with the dozen other features they offer.

Re:This Does Not Mean Google Is Becoming A Portal (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024952)

perhaps you'd prefer this [yahoo.com]

End of Google? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024858)

I think that just about time Google goes IPO, it will be just a footnote in the history of the internet.

Already, google search results are MUCH WORSE than they were just a few months ago. There is so much fake ranking trickery and strange re-ranking changes on google's part that the results are nearly useless for many searches.

It's a real opening for competing search engines now that Google has taken their eys off the ball and they are wasting money playing with Froogle and news.google.com

These guys are so impressed with themselves that they are going to be very suprised when they have no money left, or worse, they are forced by their IPO backers to start even more foolish online projects -- iTunes powered by Google anyone?

free million dollar idea for google... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8024877)

offer porn. you could call it 'ogle'

Even better... (5, Funny)

Poulpy (698167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024886)

... they also registered the following domain names:
googleporn.com [whois.org]
googlesucks.com [whois.org]

Can we expect better content from Google soon?

More seriously, when they register domain names, I believe it's more to prevent abuses than anything else...
There are more than 1800 domain names registered [whois.org] containing the google keyword.

A bit disturbing... (1)

SilentT (742071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024902)

One of the things I like most about Google is that it's not one of those portals like Yahoo that's loaded down with crap I'm not interested in.

Me@google.com (5, Informative)

shubert1966 (739403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8024920)

I found a cool List of Google Features [freepint.com] that you may or may no be aware of. Check it out.

I have never had anything but praise for Google. The "Less is More" design was an oasis compared to other yahoos. However, I have always had a Yahoo account because it is free. I'll jump to google in a heartbeat ~ as long as it's free.

Google has created more innovative search features than anyone. And they just keep doing it. People have discussed the impending or eventual doom because of new offerings from MS and Yahoo, but the mindshare is with Google and the service just rocks/folks!

I have only 1 suggestiong for Google, and that is to let me up the number results returned to 250 or 500. Other than that, I'm on the bandwagon!
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