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Star Trek: Enterprise in Danger of Being Cancelled

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the maybe-if-it-was-better dept.

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jkcity writes "According to Cinscape.com The Star Trek Enterprise set is awash with rumour that it will not be renewed for a 4th season, It was previous told it was safe by UPN but so was Enteprise's lead-out show Jake 2.0 which was just Cancelled. Star Trek: Enterprise has also been reduced to 24 episodes this season by UPN, things don't look good for the Star Trek Television Franchise and after the flop of Star Trek: Nemesis it could be many years before we ever see any new Star Trek outside of books."

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HAHAH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030725)

I got FP Or is it SP or LP Star Trek Sucks

So Are Nerds (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030741)

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shame (4, Funny)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030734)

Shame, enterprise was the only good one.

Still, too many of them are too 'lets break all the rules, oh and against all the odds it all works out'.

and wtf kind of captain keeps risking his ship and thousands of crew to save one or two people?
plain stupid

beg pardon? (1, Funny)

ed.han (444783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030941)

you think enterprise was the only good star trek? no offense, but have you seen the other ones? o wait: your question re: what kind of captain risks the ship and crew to save one or 2 people clearly indicates you haven't. :>

ed

Can't say I was ever curious about that show, (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030735)

now, if they had Star Trek:Grits with a scantily-clad Natalie Portman at the helm...

Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030736)

Since Brannon and Braga forced a meltdown of Voyager around Season 5, all broadcast and motion picture Star Trek has been sub quality.

What I'd like to know is.... (0, Flamebait)

SilentT (742071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030737)

does anybody care?

Re:What I'd like to know is.... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030818)

Of course people care! What else will fat 40-year old virgins do on dateless Friday nights in their parent's basements than watch Star Trek and post on USEnet?

Re:What I'd like to know is.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030871)

Shut up and go back to stabbing yourself with a pencil.

Gee (0, Flamebait)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030738)

I can't imagine why. [imdb.com]


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Re:Gee (4, Interesting)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030867)

I think you got the link wrong. It should have linked to here [imdb.com] Instead. Yes, it is all Rick Berman's fault. Every ST movie that has royally sucked was his fault. Every episode that royally sucked was his fault. It's his genius idea to NOT write (or even allow) star trek episodes that reference any part of the star trek mythology.

Seriously, when the FIRST episode of Enterprise didn't fit in the continuity (Klingons, huh?). I knew it was dead, despite the amazing amount of potential a pissed captain has. Right now they just took the events of 9/11 and turned into into a third season of ST:Enterprise.

Re:Gee (4, Insightful)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030938)

Yes, it is all Rick Berman's fault. Every ST movie that has royally sucked was his fault.

umm how do you explain Star Trek 1? Vger? come on take the cosmic dust off for gods sake. worst movie of them all. 2 was best. i know it had holes but i was never a fan of TOS so i thought it was great and continue to repeatly watch it. 3 ok. 4 wacky humor. 5 is where we start seeing a down turn until after generations.

Good (4, Insightful)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030739)

Without attracting a troll modifier, I'm glad. The genre is now sufficiently well-established that there are other franchises (Farscape spin-off anyone?) who could do more interesting things with the Network's money.

It's sad letting our favourite things end, but moving on is cool too.

Re:Good (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030753)

they beat this one to death. I think they forgot the mold they use for star treks and this one came out of no where. I mean what was the target audience for this series?

Re:Good (3, Insightful)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030906)

I second the "Good" for another reason: the quality of writing in Star Trek: Enterprise was worse than the original series. Frankly, Enterprise sucks. They need to get it off the air before it permanantly taints the incredible work done in TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

Are you really surprised? (3, Interesting)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030740)

Could it be that such innovative plot twists as alien 768 is an alien because it's got REALLY funny headbumps isn't enough to entertain the audience anymore?

I loved TNG, liked DS9, and my attention started to waver half way through Voyager...that said, I'm impressed that they could keep it going for another series and a half. I gave them much more of my time than I would have given ANY other medoicre show. Looks like I'm not the only one that managed to stop watching this year. (Funny, I didn't miss it, either.)

I turned Enterprise on last week while channel surfing to find it was the exact same formula that's been used every week for the last _five_ years. (0:06 mystery, 0:23 find out mystery is horrible threat, 0:42 make threat seem impossible to overcome, 0:58 solve problem with seconds to spare, 0:59 have credits roll over zany laughing cast.)

Re:Are you really surprised? (4, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030775)

To be honest I am not suprised one bit. I watched every episode of TNG. But from there the series weren't as good. Each one is a little worse than the one before it. They ahve lost the magic and the method that made it great.

The magic that captured us was that TNG wasn't about space or the technology but about the people. Enterprise always seemed like it didn't make the grade there. It isn't a drama the way it needs to be for success.

Re:Are you really surprised? (1)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030839)

Yup, it's time to shoot this dog and put it out of its misery. This show has been recycling TNG/DS9/VOY plots so much you can often guess everything that will happen in an episode before even that hideous theme tune plays.

Re:Are you really surprised? (1)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030880)

The last real bit of innovation in Star Trek for me was the introduction of the Borg in TNG. At the time they were almost the best aliens concieved. Virtually indistractable with a new twist on evolving. By Voyager they just seemed like little puppies

Rus

With out sounding like Flamebait (1, Redundant)

hrieke (126185) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030742)

Thank god.

As May West would say, 'Too much of a good thing is still too much.' and that's where the Star Trek shows have ended up being- too much.

I haven't caught much of this year's seasion, really don't care one way or the other, but then again, I feel the same way about most of TV.

Re:With out sounding like Flamebait (1)

mgv (198488) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030798)

As May West would say, 'Too much of a good thing is still too much.' and that's where the Star Trek shows have ended up being- too much.

Yeah, I loved TNG and DS9. After that , it went downhill. They are just churning out the series to make more money. Plus, a few bad decisions on the last one.

Going back in time wasn't really a great choice for the fifth series - they always went forwards between series (TOS -> TNG -> DS9 -> Voyager). By going backwards it made it nearly impossible for cross overs.

I'm probalby just being bitsy here, but they didn't really need a theme song either - no other trek has singing in the intro.

P.S. Love your .sig (III.IIVIVIXIIVIVIIIVVIIIIXVIIIXIIIIIIIIVIIIIVVIII V IIVIIIIIIVIII...) took me a while to work it out.

Re:With out sounding like Flamebait (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030804)

By going backwards it made it nearly impossible for cross overs
Right. And every one knows that crossovers are an absolute necessity for good drama, rather than just a tired old cliche, used by writers who are totally out of ideas.

Re:With out sounding like Flamebait (2, Interesting)

mgv (198488) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030909)

Right. And every one knows that crossovers are an absolute necessity for good drama, rather than just a tired old cliche, used by writers who are totally out of ideas.

Ok, I'll bite.

I don't suppose you have ever watched Angel, by any chance? Just to prove that cross overs don't negate good writing, rather they add to it.

Michael

Re:With out sounding like Flamebait (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030840)

P.S. Love your .sig (III.IIVIVIXIIVIVIIIVVIIIIXVIIIXIIIIIIIIVIIIIVVIII V IIVIIIIIIVIII...) took me a while to work it out.

Wow, you must have just barely passed fourth grade. It took me about 2 seconds to see it was pi written out in Roman numerals. Nice detective work there, jerk-off. Now get back to your McJob.

Re:With out sounding like Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030874)

speaking of flamebait..

yeesh.

DL

Syndication? (1, Interesting)

upstateguy (90019) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030744)

I think Enterprise is a pretty decent series (compared the the dreck of 'reality tv' and teenage melodrama) and would hate to see it gone. I think their Tucker-clone episode was especially good and topical for a network TV show.

UPN is a bit of a misfit channel (not available in my area). They'd be better off still making it and selling it for syndication to whomever wants to broadcast it. Of maybe SciFi channel will pick it up. WOuld make a far better choice than continuing the 'battlestar glactica' kitch-remakes!

Re:Syndication? (2, Insightful)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030869)

I think syndication would be a better choice than UPN any day. I quite enjoy Enterprise. My biggest problem with it is that the local UPN affiliate keeps pre-empting the show for Orlando Magic games. I'd rather watch BAD Star Trek (Voyager) than ANY basketball game...

This is apparently a major problem for UPN, whose affiliates are largely made up of not-very-committed-to-the-network stations (Like WRBW) or even shared with WB network.

If Enterprise gets canned, quite frankly I hope the entire UPN network folds, as has been rumored. We don't need another network filled with generic ethnic sitcoms and Reality Shows.

I wouldn't want Sci-Fi to pick it up. They'd completely ruin it and then bury it at some odd time, or turn it into "Tremors: in Space".

Phew! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030747)

it could be many years before we ever see any new Star Trek outside of books.

Crossing my fingers....

UPN go ahead and cancel Star Trek (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030748)

and we will sick the borg on you and turn you into a FOX look alike.

Haha! Good one (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030750)

They cancelled that show two years ago. I think they may have had a few episodes after the pilot.

-4809439804890378387438438048383898338, Flamebait! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030751)

Congratulations for cancelling Crap Trek, the world thanks you!

Let it die. (1)

cableshaft (708700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030752)

Can't say I'd care too much. I never could get into Enterprise. I'd say let it die and try again with a new series. Next Gen and Deep Space were soooo much better. I'll just keep watching them instead, for now.

star trek books (1)

small_box_of_stuff (258902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030754)

Even the books are few and far between now. Used to be one or two new ones every month, now its more like 1 every 4-6 months.

No! (0)

0x54524F4C4C (712971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030756)

They will remove my only reason [64.124.163.74] to keep staring at the tv.

damn (1)

wrax (570032) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030758)

I actually liked that show, one of the few actually good shows on TV IMHO. Still, perhaps its best if the franchise goes away for awhile, it'll resurface in a few years anyway with the making of a remake movie. They'll call it Star Trek: S.W.A.T.

Re:damn (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030827)

I thought I was the only one. I admit it isn't as good as TNG (I'm a little tired of the ship being taken over), but I've occasionally said that when Enterprise, Simpsons, and Monster Garage are cancelled, that'll probably be the end of TV for me, since those are the only shows that are currently produced that I watch.

--RJ

captain's log (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030759)

captain's log: stardate 1982, brown with corn chunks. Rather relaxing if i do say so myself.

Should have continued with the Borg episode (1)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030763)

There was one good episode where they find the borg ship that crashed in First contact. They should have just continued with that instead of some Xindi crap. That may have made the show at least slightly watchable. The show deserves to be cancelled.

Re:Should have continued with the Borg episode (1)

Red_Deth (733789) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030809)

I agree it deserved to be cancled. :( They should have made Enterprise more earth bound and concentrated on stories with real issues. :P

I Doubt It (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030766)

As much as Enterprise sucks it's still one of UPN's highest rated shows.

Why?

Everything else on UPN is worse.

yes! (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030768)

YES! I'd be soo happy if they cancelled that show. Startrek has been serving up crappy sci-fi for years and it time for it to just go.

Maybe it's time? (5, Interesting)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030771)

Maybe it's time for the franchise to take a rest. I was a fan of the original series. Then with TNG came out, after the first season, I started to get interested (I think the actors didn't really find their characters until mid-second series).

I know a lot of people enjoyed DS9, though I didn't really care for it that much. I personally enjoyed a number of episodes of Voyager.

But maybe it's time to let things rest for a while. Maybe come back to it in 5 or 10 years with some fresh ideas and in the meantime, let people build up their appetite for it again as well. I think they've just really gotten to the point where their grasping for new story ideas and nothing is really drawing people in to the series. Maybe it's just me. I watched a few episodes of Enterprise. It's not bad, but it's not that great either.

People have high expectations of the Star Trek franchise, and if they're not going to be able to meet those expectations, they ought to let it rest until they can. But that's just my opinion.

Re:Maybe it's time? (1)

EMN13 (11493) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030824)

I agree. It's simply to frequently to similar to previous episodes to remain interesting.

And perhaps it wouldn't damage the franchise to concentrate on books somewhat. Although I don't think they're that great usually (meaning the star trek books simply aren't that nice), books are much longer and more detailed than an episode. Perhaps a more vivid series can emerge from a period of pure book-ness.

Why a weekly series? (5, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030779)

It just occurred to me to ask the question of why Enterprise needs to be on every week for each new season? Why not go with a mini-series every year. The hype increases, there is more latitude to do something different and there is less danger of worrying about ratings.

Just a thought....

Re:Why a weekly series? (1)

taliver (174409) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030910)

I like this as a format for a show, and I really hope the Sci-Fi people go with it for Battlestar Gallactica (that way they couldprobably keep the same actors, or skip years every now and then, letting the loss of characters come as 'tearful rememberances'.)

Also, I'd ike to point out that by going with a mini-series format, you could have lots of fun killing off characters, since no one would no who was 'supposed' to stay alive from installment to installment.

I'll also say that the mini-series idea would have worked really well for a pre-trek time like Enterprise was supposed to be, and they could have focused on little minor plots at a time.

But, there are plenty of better universes than Trek, anyway.

Jake 2.0 (5, Interesting)

dpoulson (132871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030784)

Jake 2.0 hasn't even started over in the UK yet, and its already cancelled! Another good buy by Sky!

Enterprise is a good series, much grittier than TNG, on a par with DS9. Pity to see it go.

Re:Jake 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030881)

I kinda liked Jake 2.0, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the NSA/CIA/acronym-of-your-choice is already working on a nanotechnology-powered superguy.

Anyhoo, I particularly liked the hot blonde love interest, she's a hottie. I also liked the geekgirl scientist, I'd bang her as well if I ever got the chance.

Maybe if the actor playing the lead character wasn't so geeky, maybe the show would've had better luck reaching a broader (i.e., female) demographic.

I predict Hollywood will make a movie based on the premise of this show soon enough, so take heart, Jake 2.0 fans.

Re:Jake 2.0 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030894)

"Sky|One - Jake 2.0 - (Widescreen, New Series) - 12/02/2004 20-00

The Tech. Series 1, episode 1.

Christopher Gorham is Jake Foley, a very ordinary technician who suddenly becomes a super hero when he is infected by a 'computer virus' then suddenly dissappears mid-season without rational explaination as Sky yet again bets on another dubious US import, you can only guess what would have happened next"

Jake 2.0 (4, Funny)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030786)

It was previous told it was safe by UPN but so was Enteprise's lead-out show Jake 2.0 which was just Cancelled.

Whoopses. Sky over here in the UK is heavily plugging Jake 2.0 which is due to start in February.

Nothing like starting to watch a series which has already been canned!

Re:Jake 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030821)

Sky over here in the UK is heavily plugging Jake 2.0
Not as heavily as they're hyping Nip/Tuck...

its interesting (1, Offtopic)

katalyst (618126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030789)

unlike hollywood movies, these shows seem to be made ONLY for the American market. I am surprised, because most of the other countries in the world do end up watching a lot of american shows; also, these shows come to these other countries MUCH after the american cycle. If these shows do become a hit abroad, everyone comes out a loser - the fans can't get enough - the producers can't give enough. I guess these guys don't think big enough and are still stuck in an old business model. Sighh... so much creativity, expense and skill - all for nothing

Re:its interesting (2, Informative)

fruey (563914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030832)

I am surprised, because most of the other countries in the world do end up watching a lot of american shows

Most of the shows are made just for the American market, perhaps you can make an exception for Friends, but it's still got a lot of in US jokes which we don't get until we hear the audience laugh.

The sad fact is that it's cheaper to buy US rejects or old US shows (you'd be surprised at what's still running on African TV stations) so they get shown instead of locally produced content, or newer European content...

Am I the only one that says.... (4, Insightful)

Brendan Byrd (105387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030793)

Good!

Not to knock the entirety of Star Trek, but the recent "Franchises" (do you want fries with that?) have been crap. I could barely watch Star Trek: A Three Hour Tour, and Star Trek: Boobies and Scott Bakula was not even worth the John Tesh opening theme. I'm not saying the age old "Ever since Gene died...blah blah blah", but the corporates at Paramont really have taken over and pissed on the whole deal.

There are better sci-fi shows out there: Bablylon 5, Farscape, Stargate SG-1, to name a few. Some are in threat of being cancelled or already in limbo. Support THOSE! Try to revive the GOOD series!

Let Star Trek die the death it has been begging for since ST:DS9 ended. Don't let it drag on. (Flame on!)

Can't say I'll miss it... (5, Interesting)

feidaykin (158035) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030794)

It started off with a huge strike against it. They refused to call it Star Trek: Enterprise. It was simply Enterprise. I guess the "Star Trek" name is too tarnished? Or is it, perhaps, that they wanted to market to a new fanbase, assuming that the die-hard trekkies will watch anyway. I think it was an attempt to distance themselves from Trek.

Well, it worked. It also helps that the show is nothing at all like Star Trek. Basic premise of every episode: Let's take a good idea from TOS or TNG, update it with a new cast and new effects, and completely ruing the meaning!

A recent episode had what seemed like interstellar terrorists on it. The theme was a sort-of "with us or against us" thing, as if the episode had come straight out of a propaganda machine. I don't need my Star Trek telling me what to think. I want my Star Trek making me think. That's what Trek was always best at: making people think about things. What if? Why? The settings was incidental. The effects were irrelevant. The story was what mattered. Enterprise ditched that and focused on everything else. The result?

Star Trek Lite: It tastes bland and isn't very filling, but people accept it anyway.

The sad thing is the cast works. I think Backula does a great job, and I loved his role in Quantum Leap. Phlox is pretty entertaining. But these few perks just can't make up for the general disarray of the series.

And don't even get me STARTED on Star Trek timeline continuity. If Trek continuity were a person, it would be time for it to seek rape consoling! The Borg episode... the Romulans? What the hell? Have the writers ever even watched any of the previous Treks?

Sorry Enterprise, but I can't say I will miss you.

It's About Time Too... (5, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030797)

Much has been said about the control that Gene Roddenberry had over the Star Trek franchise & many have criticised the power he had over it.

However, under Roddenberry, we were at least guaranteed a cohesive Star Trek universe.

"Enterprise", I'm told at least, did not fit into the pre-Kirk Trek universe and deliberately did not do so. The lame excuse that Rick Berman/Brannon Braga gave for this was that events in "First Contact" caused the timeline to be changed.

Berman & Braga have made a complete hash of Trek since they got their grubby paws on the franchise that has seen it deteriorate more and more since Roddenberry's passing - TNG was, on the whole, excellent, DS9 had a poorish start but improved as things went on, Voyager had a handful of good stories and Enterprise was a complete waste of time.

I watched the first series, hoping to see an improvement and then gave up with it. Recently, I tuned into a repeat episode (possibly 2nd series) to see a plot stolen straight out of "Enemy Mine" (human and alien stranded together on a planet) & was shocked at how unoriginal the plots had become.

The only good thing about Trek recently is that my lack of enthusiasm for it has caused me to go buy the Babylon 5 DVDs (I missed all but a hndful of episodes when it was shown on TV) and to restore my faith in good, well-made science fiction TV series.

Braga & Berman can go sit on the scrapheap - I'll not lose any sleep over it...

Why am I not surprised? (5, Interesting)

vudufixit (581911) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030801)

With each new iteration, Star Trek distorts and dilutes its own mythos. I thought this would be an interesting take on Starfleet's early history, with raw, unpolished versions, or complete absence of, the day to day technologies that the TOS and later crews used and of course modified at the eleventh hour to avert a crisis. The writers wasted no time updating/uprating Enterprises' systems and accoutrements ("phase pistols" anyone?) so now the ship is nearly indistinguishable from its descendants. The exploration oriented format is too similar to the preceding shows. The TOS crew have earned a Campbell-esque place in our pantheon of modern day mythic heroes. Picard may ascend to that pinnacle. Janeway and Cisko never will. Neither will Jonathan Archer. Star Trek is in a decadent stage. A long hiatus with no series and no movies would serve everyone best, giving both the general public and hardcore fans some time to build up some real desire. Hire completlely new writers and give them years, if need be, to come up with a really fresh take. Some ideas for a next Trek: How about a show with a built-in limited lifespan, starting right at the post-Shuttle era, and ending with Archer's Enterprise? Each season would be a complete epoch, showing the development of the technology, and the adaptation of people to long-term life in space. Another idea: breakdown of the Federation. It collapses sometime after Picard's retirement, and a starship crew makes the rounds restoring order to worlds and rebuilding alliances. Once again, a series that's planned out ahead of time to run for a certain number of seasons. See, the open-ended nature of each Star Trek series is the problem. I hope the next writers come up with something great, but most importantly, KEEP FOCUSED!

Re:Why am I not surprised? (0)

machinecode (409342) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030820)

A series planned ahead.. sounds like Babylon 5 ... :-)

Re:Why am I not surprised? (2, Insightful)

vudufixit (581911) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030830)

Yeah, I was trying not to invoke the "B" word, for fear of starting an intragalactic conflict over "which series was better." Whether you liked B-5 or not, I think it's difficult to argue that having a pre-planned story arc helped keep things focused.

Re:Why am I not surprised? (1)

David Watson (96639) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030925)

Another idea: breakdown of the Federation. It collapses sometime after Picard's retirement, and a starship crew makes the rounds restoring order to worlds and rebuilding alliances.

Wasn't that the plot of Andromeda [andromedatv.com] .

Shame really (5, Insightful)

Illserve (56215) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030803)

That repetitive drivel like Enterprise gets to last this long while the ream gems (FireFly, Farscape) pass away tragically.

Those shows had more originality, creativity and quality writing than the Star Trek franchise can hope to match. Not to say that Star Trek wasn't good and original in its day, but that day has passed.

I recently showed Firefly to a housemate for the first time, he was hooked after the pilot. After each episode (we just finished the last one), he sits in stunned amazement, quietly saying "why was this cancelled?". It's sad really.

Well, now we finally know... (4, Funny)

Doktor Memory (237313) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030805)

...just how much a (post-original) Trek show has to suck before they'll pull the plug.

Now that this has been empirically verified, let's never conduct this experiment again please.

Good news (0, Redundant)

robnauta (716284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030806)

Good news... Enterprise was the weakest of them all. The vulcan girl is a shallow ripoff of Seven of Nine, and the episodes are not that enjoyable. It's a bit embarassing for true trekkies to see a captain who's not very smart and seems to be ruled by emotion and prejudice. Instead of good stories it's just a shallow action show with lots of shooting and fighting now. It's the best thing to stop it now before it sinks to new lows.

Re:Good news (1)

arazor (55656) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030937)

I wont miss the show if it gets canceled. But the one thing I disagree with you is I like the fact that the captain is ruled by emotion it rings more true to me especialy after the major attack on earth story line. The last episode after being in reruns they air a rehash of stories that have been done many times on the other treks.

I would ask one thing of them... If they are going to not renew the series at least let them finish the current arc because i think just leaving a series dead with wondering what happened just plain sucks.

Should we blame Berman, as always? (4, Insightful)

LookSharp (3864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030810)

Disclaimer: This is not a troll nor flamebait, but a talking point.

Much of the discussion about "how much Trek sucks" usually ends up blaming Rick Berman. How much of this is his fault here? I have no judgement, but I'm tossing this out for discussion's sake.

I think my personal opinion is thus: Create work that is quality, and I will consume it.

I thought that's how the system was supposed to work... but yet, somehow, shows like UPN's planned "reality" show chronicling the wacky misadventures of Amish teens have more marketability than (insert your genre of interest here).

Re:Should we blame Berman, as always? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030939)

I would rather blame Bragga. That is the guy who was responsible for all of the Holodeck adventure/time travel adventure/turn the borg from feared nemesis to bickering melodramatic soap opera droids crap we were forced to endure in Voyager.

When a Star Trek franchise goes down the shitter, you can get he is somewhere closeby.

Fire the Producers Instead (3, Insightful)

tommertron (640180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030812)

I know it's a big-time nerd-refrain, but Brannon and Braga have got to go. They've been running the franchise for almost ten years now, and guess what? DS9, Voyager, even the last season of TNG kind of sucked under them.

I think they keep trying to draw audiences by injecting episodes with BIG ACTION and SEXY SITUATIONS... well, that's not what made TNG good. TNG was good because of interesting ideas that were expanded on, often very subtly, sometimes without any threat to human life.

And every episode seems to follow a plot that's been done, what, like three, four times on previous Trek shows? My advice to save Enterprise is to fire Brannon and Braga, and hire only writer s that have never worked on any of the shows before. Keep around a 'bible' expert for continuity, but look for talented writers and producers. This is what will save the show.

Re:Fire the Producers Instead (4, Informative)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030876)

I have to disagree about DS9. The first few seasons, yes, it was very weak. But, Berman and crew went to go concentrate on Voyager and pretty much abandoned DS9 around the 4th season, and let them do whatever they wanted. From that point on, the show went to new hights. Some fantastic writing, a serial storyline, and some great acting took DS9 to places that Trek hadn't been before. I'd say that the last 3 seasons of DS9 were some of the best sci-fi on TV, except no one was watching anymore.

good riddance (3, Interesting)

UnderAttack (311872) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030813)

Its sad to see the "Star Trek Franchise" fail so misserably. But after Nemesis and Enterprise, it seems like they finally killed it for good.

The entire idea of a pre-quel sounded hokie from the start. But well, I did try to like it :-/

I still think Deep Space 9 was the best series. It could have used one or two more seasons.

Closure (2, Insightful)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030816)

Well if they are going to cancel it please make sure we get some closure as there is nothing worse than just leave something hanging. At least let Enterprise go out on a high if not up to the standard of DS9/TNG.

Rus

Re:Closure (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030915)

And either way, let them make up their minds whether to cancel or renew in time for the writers to at least *try* and deal with it. Remember the confusion at the end of season 4 of Babylon 5, with the is it or isn't it renewed quandry? The last thing the fans want is a rushed ending to a season to try and provide some sense of closure, followed by an entire season of lame episodes because the main story arc got wrapped up prematurely.

Enterprise was one of the better ones... (1)

tobe (62758) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030817)

.. but that just opinion.

Seems ST fans are split into two camps. Those sexless beasts who think NG and DS9 were anything but boring, blunt edged morality lessons and those of us who preferred the edgier, we're not perfect but we're trying approach of Voyager and Enterprise.

I really think it's time ST was rethought for the 21st century.. give us real, imperfect people and real moral dilemmas.. let's see more of what the universe is really like 'out there' instead of having to watch the dry antics of a bunch of boy scouts and diplomats.

More Janeway, Trip, Archer, T'Pol, Chakotay, Kirk, Bones, Barclay... less Picard, Riker, Guinan.

woo hoo!!! (1)

zzzmarcus (183118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030819)

That means room for another reality show!!! Yee haw!

Well, yeah... (2, Interesting)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030826)

I'm sorry, but so what? Star Trek jumped the shark [jumptheshark.com] as soon as they threw that half-baked Battlestar Galactica rip-off, Voyager, on the air. (Don't agree? Borg = Cyclons, Voyager = Galactica, far from home and lost.) Berman and Braga fucked up what could potentially be a great series by trying to do the same stupid Time War shit they did with Voyager, etc.

In the end, as much as I find the characters interesting, I just can't bring myself to care too much about the premature end of this five-year mission. You can't keep a show running, much less grabbing public interest, based on potential. This show had it, but it failed to deliver on it.

FLOP?!? (5, Insightful)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030831)

The "Flop of Nemesis"???

*smacks forhead*

How about this: Don't release movie number 10 in a series of niche movies a weekend before one of the most anticipated movies of all time, which had been promoted for several years, comes out.

I didn't have a problem with nemesis. I actually liked it. Did I go see it in a theatre? No, i saved my $15 for Lord of the Rings. Duh.

~Will

Plus Bond, plus the real flop: ST IX (1)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030903)

You forgot to mention James Bond, plus the biggest box office drag on Star Trek: Nemesis: it's predecessor, which ranked down there with STV (at least that one had the original cast).

That holiday season, I chose to see two of the three movies -- Bond lost out.

Nemesis was better than all the odd-numbered movies, even though it was the weakest of the even-numbered movies.

Outstanding News! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030835)

Star Trek and Star Wars are a blight upon the land of science fiction. Too many talented people have been diverted into manufacturing "product" for these bloated franchises. Maybe when Star Trek is gone, will have more room in prime time for new and original science fiction shows.

To quote Douglas Adams: (1)

Rico_za (702279) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030837)

If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let'em go, because, man, they're gone!
Star Trek had it's time, now let it go.

It is official; UPN confirms: Enterprise is dying (3, Funny)

z-axis (195410) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030844)

One more crippling bombshell hit the already discouraged and defeated Star Trek franchise when UPN confirmed that Enterprise has dropped yet again after Voyager showed to be a miserable failure as well. Coming on the heels of a recent Gallop survey which plainly states that Rick Berman has lost the peoples confidence in his ability to innovate and make progress, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. The Star Trek franchise is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the ratings.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Enterprise's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Enterprise faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Enterprise because Enterprise is dying. Things are looking very bad for Enterprise. As many of us are already aware, Enterprise continues to lose viewers. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

The Star Trek franchise is the most endangered science fiction franchise of them all, having lost 93% of its core nerds. There can no longer be any doubt: Enterprise is dying.

All major surveys show that Enterprise has steadily declined in consumer confidence. Enterprise is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Enterprise is to survive at all it will be among sci-fi dilettante dabblers. Enterprise continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Enterprise is dead.

Fact: Enterprise is dying

Forget Enterprise, I want Galaxy Quest!!!!! (1)

Slashamatic (553801) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030845)

Much as I appreceate Joelene Balock's chest, I would just like a tad more acting.

Amazingly Galaxy Quest showed that something different could be done and done well. However their actors weren't exactly bad either. Having Sigourney Weaver play "the girl with a chest" was great. Alan Rickman with Nimoy's "I'm not Spock"Angst, Tim Allen out-Shatnering Shatner.

It was funny and of course, it couldn't work without TOS and the TOS actors. Actually, I guess thats what drew me to Farscape to, intelligent sci-fi but with drama and oddball humour. The only really quirky character we have in Enterprise is the doctor.

Nemesis and Enterprise (1)

lordholm (649770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030846)

First of all. How did Nemesis do vs. the other StarTrek movies? And how much have it earned outside the U.S? I personally found Nemesis to be quite good, one of the better ST movies.

Secondly. IMHO, Enterprise is by far the best of the ST series, it beats the hell out of TNG. There is however one HUGE flaw in Enterprise: The terrible theme music, it really makes me want to throw the TV out of the window.

Just my 0.02

Jake 2.0 (1)

vpscolo (737900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030850)

Well they are just about to premier Jake 2.0 here in the UK on Sky. Prehaps I won't watch it as don't need to get hooked onto something if there isn't any way of it lasting the distance. Of course I don't know if it is any good..

Rus

Give Section 31 a chance! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030864)

I always got the impression that Star Trek never got over the "tree-hugging hippy" mentality in TNG. The borg had to be sidelined as they would have required StarFleet to actually engage in genocidal war, same with the dominion in DS9, with the magic techno engine fix etc. There is, however, one way to save the franchise, Section 31. The people who came up with the virus which was killing the Dominion. It would see Bashir join Section 31, moral compromises all around!

How about Dr Who? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030868)

Maybe they should replace it with re-runs of Dr. Who -- or how about some of thoes old Fred Hoyle stories?

and so goes Battlestar G? (1)

snatchitup (466222) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030870)

I never really appreciated the "poor quality on purpose" production of Star Trak Enterprise, until I watched Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica remake.

B.G.'s figthers were pathetically "old school". They used real missiles, and bullets it seemed like.

But, this made the series much more real!

Also, in B.G., going over speed of light was a really "weird" feeling for travelers.

All this reminding us that nobody has figured out how to break Einsteins T.O.R. That it's truly impossible to go the speed of light without collapsing the entire universe.

----
I hope this doesn't cancel the concept of "Old School" reality.

Why can't they learn (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030879)

Sci-fi fans have higher expectations from series these days. We just don't like episodic television. Lost in space was over 30 years ago.

Events from one episode have to influence future ones. Babylon 5 did this. So did Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The Star Trek franchise managed to learn this in the end with DS9, but now they've totally forgotten. Season 3 has had a couple of references to the Xindi backstory, but really we need more than that. We never get the feeling anything has happened after an episode has finished.

Paramount doesn't even seem to want to try. There were clear signs of a subversive effort to change this in Voyager, with Janeway slowly losing it in Equinox, but then the franchise backed away. At the end of that episode all was forgiven and forgotten. Chakotay decided that going on the Ahab revenge thing and locking him in the brig was only a minor misunderstanding, and they could still be friends.

Of course Enterprise will fail (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030886)

First, it sucks.

Second, even if it is great, who is going to watching it in a Trek saturated market? First there was 7 years of Next Generation, then 7 years of DS9, then 7 years of Voyager. Let's face it, only the most devoted Trek fan would bother to watch Enterprise, and there are not enough of those types to give the show sufficient ratings.

I can't decide if this was a good or bad thing. (4, Interesting)

gozar (39392) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030889)

Although Star Trek: Enterprise hasn't really rocked at all [ryancollins.org] , it did take a few seasons for TNG to hit their stride. There is a definate problem with focus. Secretly I was hoping they could get Joss Whedon to come in and at least help them map out a story arc over this season and the remaining seasons. Unfortunately, they decided to totally change the premise of the show, make Archer to be some sort of maniac will to do anything to save Earth.

A review at the beginning of the season in USA Today brought up some very good points on the lack of focus in Enterprise. Although Paramount wants you to think they took the show for a dramatic twist this season, nothing really has changed. They are still exploring the unknown, which is what they have been doing the first two seasons. Nothing to see here, move along.

To fix Enterprise they need to:

Be a little more subtle with public commentary. Compare Similitude [treknation.com] with TOS's Let That Be Your Last Battleground [thelogbook.com]

More friction among the crew.

Lose the T'Pol-Tucker story line

Slow DOWN THE TRANSPORTER!!!! It's faster than The Original Series'!

There have been a couple good episodes:

Shockwave [treknation.com]

Chosen Realm [treknation.com]

And a lot of duds:

A remake of Data's Day: Dear Doctor [treknation.com]

An A-Team episode: Marauders [treknation.com]

And just a really lame episode: Extinction [treknation.com]

Sick of TV and Star Trek (1)

bodland (522967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030893)

Star Trek lost its appeal when we were forced to endure Wesley Crusher...and Capt. Jayneway (sp) :::puke::: The only good SciFi/Fantasy now is found on DVD. Home Theatre, DLP front projection has helped me rediscover movies I have never seen a a big screen. Classics like Them, The Thing, Nosferatu, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Metropolis, Altered States, 2001, Time Bandits and Extended Eds of LOTR... Sitting in your own couch in comfort with a 7 foot wide screen, a beer, bowl of popcorn with your friends and family for a moive night what could be better.... Screw Television....and plasma or big screen TVs for that matter...

Could have been so much better... (3, Interesting)

26199 (577806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030901)

...IMHO Enterprise should make a whole lot more of the fact that they're much closer to NASA, military outfits, etc, than the others.

Which doesn't mean technology which doesn't work as well... it means a completely different social structure and way of doing things... the crew shouldn't be one big happy family.

I have yet to see a really entertaining episode (although I admit I've only watched five or six random ones).

I suppose I should probably accept that I'm not in the target demographic... although exactly what the target demographic is, I'm not sure. As a 19-year-old compsci student I should be quite a good bet for sci-fi...

time to make it real (1)

demmer (623592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030905)

ok.. enogh of phantasy and planning the future... lets build a warp ship! startrek was always kind of the best way mankind could develop, and enterprise being the most interesting part of that development (after the extreme hightech we ve seen in voy)... i enjoyd ent... :(

"It was previous told..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030908)

>season, It was previous told it was safe by UPN but so was Enteprise's

Ah yes, the editing is hard at work.

"It was previous told..."

What's Wrong with Enterprise (4, Insightful)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030913)

Personally after being lost in the delta quadrant for years on voyager, I thought trek would get back to some basic Treking. Klingon's (Bad ones, nasty ones, Enterprise's Klingons are more like TNG's, which in my opinion ought not to be the case). Bad Ass Romulans, and the discovery of thier link with the vulcans (this was touched on Briefly, very Briefly, and really ought to get more attention as well. They really need to round up the writers and directorys that made some of the DS9, TNG episodes that really stick out as Classics. Best of Both Worlds, the Bell Riots, The entire Bajorian Religious Arc at the end of DS9 (the final season was one of the best seasons of Trek ever). I also feel like Enterprise has quickly degenerated into the Captain Archer Show, which some Trip and T'Pol thrown in here and there. They need to open up the cast more let us get into the other characters heads, and perhaps even give us a few more characters. It looked like they were headed that way they had that ensign (Cartright? maybe?) who seemed to get some focus in a couple episodes (on an away mission in the episode with the slave race, and the episode where she has a crush on Flox)...ah well I hope they work something out and we get a season 4 and perhaps they can strighgten this out...

Well... (4, Insightful)

Dogun (7502) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030916)

I do enjoy the whole Star Trek universe, but it's hard to deny that Enterprise has largely been unoriginal. This hairbrained season-long plot hasn't worked out well, and I find that the only episodes I most like heavily feature Phlox.

If the series had instead of going with this "temporal cold war" idea gone with a simple "explore nearby space and meet new races" type idea, I heavily suspect that things would have been better. I mean, hell; TNG and TOS were great; DS9 was alright, but Voyager was a step in the WRONG DIRECTION.

Just my .02 $US.

Things got boring fast (1)

wheelgun (178700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030919)

The series has been bland since the captain stopped traveling randomly through time with his cigar smoking friend.

ST: Genocide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8030922)

[rant style="uninformed"]
I've seen 2 episodes of the show this year, and it has the same property that used to make me really hate Voyager... They are obsessed with their goal, and at the end of the show they are 0% closer to achieving it -> they have wasted 1hr of my life.

Let's recap ST franchises
TOS: Expore new worlds, TNG: Expolore ", DS9: Deal with everything that happens in a hotspot, Voyager: get home, Enterprise: Kill the fucking Xindi - Kill 'em all!

I don't even know who the Xindi are, but whoever they are I'd imagine Star Fleet would have better things to do then to send it's only ship after them on a revenge mission....
[/rant]

Anyway...

What a Shame! (4, Interesting)

R.Caley (126968) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030926)

And after they rearanged their bland jingly title song into an even more bland muzak version for this series too.

I thought they were on a roll, managing to get two scenes with the female characters half undressed, and a tacticless space ship fight into almost every episode.

When I first heard the premise for this new series, I was actually quite interested. A primitive Entreprise, first real deep sapce ship from Earth, presumably out gunned by almost everyone they meet, and maybe having to do some interesting things to win through.

But no. They turn out to be able to beat crap out of almost everyone. The only way to get a plot is to have something blow up on board, or mysterious `gravimetric bullshiterons' hold them while the inferior aliens attack, so that 10 minutes later they can beat crap out of those same aliens without breaking sweat... scene of vulcan underwear giving engineer a hand job... end of episode.

What worries me ... (5, Insightful)

The AtomicPunk (450829) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030931)

It seems like every sci-fi show, good or bad, popular amongst us geeks or not, gets cancelled.

Instead, we have these mind-numbing 'reality' tv shows, vapid sit-coms, and corny teenage melodramas.

I watch Enterprise. It's not that I think it's that great, it's just better than most of the other rubbish on TV. At least it's mildly entertaining, and I need something to watch while I exercise.

Does anybody REALLY want another Joe Millionaire/Survivor 14/Bachlor(ette) clone to replace it?

I might shoot plot holes though Enterprise all day, but at least my brain functions while doing it.

Immature (1)

mphase (644838) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030932)

Enterprise always struck me as being made for 12 year old boys, it's just that shallow. I loved TNG and the original Star Trek as well as most of DS9 and a smaller portoin of Voyager. My dislike of Enterprise could also simply be cause by expossure to Farscape (which is coming back for a mini-series thank you kindy). That is quality if you ask me. Now even watching great episodes of TNG leaves me unsatisfied, Farscape is just so much better its scary. The thing about Star Trek is that its a pioneer show, so it was amazing when it was new full of new ideas and new plots. You have to move on from that though if you wish to continue the series, you can't just recycle the same old plot devices and themes. Enterprise is like that poser in high school who tries to be exactly like the most popular kid in school and fails even while mimicing their behavior to a t.

Casting and characters (1)

GerbilSocks (713781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030933)

I LOVE TNG... best of the series. I didn't like DS9 at all, more like DS90210. Voyager was pretty good, it's currently in syndication so I'm catching up on it while never having seen the original air dates.

What made TNG great was a strong cast, and really great storylines that were molded by Gene himself, as he tried to make the series more than a string of adventures, but tried to infuse a certain amount of humanity. Hence very interesting characters like Worff, Data, and of course, Picard. My favorite TNG episode of all time, and this touches on the whole humanity issue, was the one where Picard was knocked out by an alien probe, and he spends his entire life on some planet whose star was about to go supernova. In that episode, he got the chance to live a normal life with a wife and a family (something made nearly impossible as SF Captain). He got to experience living an entire lifetime, although in reality he was only knocked out for a couple minutes. In the process, it's almost like he lived two lifetimes. That was an amazing episode.. that was light on action, but on so much more interesting levels. Very engaging.

In Voyager, we got interesting characters in Seven of Nine, the Medical Hologram in search of autonomy and acceptance, and one undervalued character, and that was Kim. Their struggles to find a way home gave the series heart, which can't be said for the anemic DS9.

So where does Enterprise fit in all of these? Well, let me say that the characters in Enterprise are flat and uninteresting. There is no sense of humor for the characters; T'Pol needs to get laid badly. The rest are unimaginative and uninspired with lame back stories. Im sorry but if the future is occupied by these type of boring people, I'm staying right here in the present. The show needs the sort of bravado you saw in The New Hope, but it's looking more like The Phantom Menace. Too stiff and serious for it's own good.

Good. (5, Insightful)

Mmm coffee (679570) | more than 10 years ago | (#8030940)

Star Trek:
Western in space. Kinda campy but did have its moments. Very memorable characters. Fanbase: Big enough to get a few movies going after its cancelation. Noteworthy: The fans loved the show and movies enough to get an entire freakin' space shuttle renamed. Nae bad.

Star Trek: The Next Generation:
Pretty deep plots. Much deeper than much of what is shown on TV, which really doesn't say much. Very memorable characters. Very powerful episodes. (Remember the one where the crew find a probe and Picard spends a lifetime on a dieing planet?) Had many people who aren't fans of scifi watching. Noteworthy: Roddenbery died during this series.

Star Trek: Deep Space 9
Very deep storyline spanning many seasons. Characters not as memorable as those on TNG, but memorable none the less.

Star Trek: Voyager:
Unmemorable characters, superficial plots, enough gaps in the plot to make Spock have a stroke. The previously immortal and near unbeatable borg were made to look like a bunch of pussies in this. Time travel became more cliche than it previously was. It's crap, Jim.

Star Trek: Enterprise
New 'hip' series that shits on the pre-federation history laid out by the previous series and movies. Superficial. Unmemorable characters. Plots so shallow not even an infant could drown in them. Superficial. Tries to grab your attention with random semi-nudity. Predictable. Superficial. Theme song sucks. Superficial.

As somebody who used to be a HUGE Trek fan 10 years ago - good. The horse is laying in the middle of the field, four broken legs, broken ribs, and is oozing blood out of its ears. Just shoot it and get it over with. I hate seeing my childhood fave raped for ratings.

Berman and Braga can kiss the fattest part of my ass.
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