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GNAA Interviews CowboyNeal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039535)

GNAA Interviews CowboyNeal
by GNAA staff

UPDATE! UPDATE!
Since the original posting of this article there has been some doubts about authenticity of CowboyNeal. Rest assured, however, he was indeed the real CowboyNeal. We could tell by the smell coming from his pants.

On January 17 2004, select members of the GNAA interviewed CowboyNeal on IRC channel #caoine at irc.caoine.org.

We will be right back after this commercial break!
According to Google Zeitgeist [google.com], there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 [microsoft.com] users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
According to Google Zeitgeist [google.com], there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 [microsoft.com] users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
And now we return to our scheduled broadcast...

The following are select portions of the chat transcript kept by official GNAA stenographer (and Ringmusculaturis II Leader), Captain B. Dick

---
GNAA Member AbdullaH introduces himself to CowboyNeal

[5:09:26] AbdullaH: Hello, Sir! My name is Abdullah Ihram Mohammad Bin Zular Krokar Tehroham Kumr, I am a TERRORIST. My father was on the first plane that crashed in the World Tarde Center. I get a boner every time CNN plays that tape. If you wish to help me in my quest for WORLD SLAVERY, please purchase a kalashnikov at your nearest kalashnikov store and HELP ME KILL ALL AMERICANS!

[5:09:29] CowboyNeal: if this is part of that jihad I keep hearing about, it's a pretty fucking lame part of it
---
CowboyNeal is questioned about his feelings towards civil rights; uses both the N, and K-words

[5:21:11] timecop: CowboyNeal: do you have something against niggers?

[5:21:24] CowboyNeal: nay, some of best friends are nigs
[5:23:47] CowboyNeal: like all my kike friends too?

---
GNAA Member timecop inquires about Slashdot [slashdot.org] moderation policies. CowboyNeal admits to cleaning peoples' shit up for a living.

[5:16:04] timecop: I have a problem with my slashdot account
[5:16:09] timecop: it has Karma: excellent
[5:16:10] timecop: but I post at -1
[5:16:12] timecop: WHAT THE FUCK?!

[5:16:19] CowboyNeal: yeah, sucks, don't it?

[5:16:26] CaptBDick: wow that can happen?

[5:16:41] timecop: CowboyNeal: mind to explain what the FUCK is going on?

[5:17:00] CowboyNeal: you got downmodded into oblivion at least once, and there's no second chances

[5:17:17] timecop: no, i got a better theory
[5:17:35] timecop: some nazis downmodded a bunch of my comments and set a flag to fuck all my posts
[5:17:41] timecop: because someone doesnt agree with my OPINIONS

[5:18:05] CowboyNeal: you are complaining to the janitor, not the vice principal
[5:23:08] CowboyNeal: I don't have any modpoints
---
CowboyNeal admits hatred for Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net], and pretends to have a girlfriend.

[5:25:27] CowboyNeal: hey, I hate malda just as much as you guys. If it weren't for him making me work saturdays, I'd be with my gf right now.
---

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We're going to take back the White House! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039766)

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Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like Dean screaming.

WIGGERS BEWARE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039536)

The year is 2025, White people HAVE become a MINORITY in America. On our streets hang Aryan men who refused to accept the "New Way," or perhaps they just looked too White. Perhaps they never thought MUD RULE would really come.

White girls who refuse the advances of Negroids, are publicly gang-raped so as to serve as examples to other shuddering Aryan females. Children are now taken from their houses, by force, to be brought up in a "Multi-Cultural" home of Negroids, Arabs, Muslims and Gooks, all in the name of "brotherhood and love"...
And yet, some fight back! Alone or in small cells, Aryans...men and boys...but most of all women who stand the most to lose, since the decline of real men among the White Folk, strike back...at night and with any weapon near at hand.

How often do the hunted Whites think back to the "old days," when action and dedicated work, might have Reached, Educated and Organized enough of our folk, to have averted what now seems like a hopeless Hell. All the old excuses for not working for the Movement...My Job...My Money...My Friends...My Fun...My Beer, all gone. All the boasting, but never REALLY sacrificing for what they knew was coming, now it's too late, too late, TOO LATE. Are YOU a TALKER or do YOU make a difference now?

If so, you can contact us at:
ANP
P.O. Box 85942
Westland, MI 48185

staff@americannaziparty.com [mailto]

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Re:WIGGERS BEWARE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039568)

You are a real plonker.

Re:WIGGERS BEWARE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039615)

I am speechless at how fucking moronic you are. Go back to Deutchland. Fucking idiot.

Re:WIGGERS BEWARE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039701)

DUDE, you are a fucking GOD!!
WPWW

WIGGERS BEWARE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039538)

The year is 2025, White people HAVE become a MINORITY in America. On our streets hang Aryan men who refused to accept the "New Way," or perhaps they just looked too White. Perhaps they never thought MUD RULE would really come.

White girls who refuse the advances of Negroids, are publicly gang-raped so as to serve as examples to other shuddering Aryan females. Children are now taken from their houses, by force, to be brought up in a "Multi-Cultural" home of Negroids, Arabs, Muslims and Gooks, all in the name of "brotherhood and love"...
And yet, some fight back! Alone or in small cells, Aryans...men and boys...but most of all women who stand the most to lose, since the decline of real men among the White Folk, strike back...at night and with any weapon near at hand.

How often do the hunted Whites think back to the "old days," when action and dedicated work, might have Reached, Educated and Organized enough of our folk, to have averted what now seems like a hopeless Hell. All the old excuses for not working for the Movement...My Job...My Money...My Friends...My Fun...My Beer, all gone. All the boasting, but never REALLY sacrificing for what they knew was coming, now it's too late, too late, TOO LATE. Are YOU a TALKER or do YOU make a difference now?

If so, you can contact us at:
ANP
P.O. Box 85942
Westland, MI 48185

staff@americannaziparty.com [mailto]

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Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039547)

SFC (SIMONIKER FAN CLUB) is the first organization which
gathers SIMONIKER FANS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being SIMONIKER FANS.

Are you INTELLIGENT?
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Re:Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Offtopic)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039612)

wtf is a Simoniker?

Re:Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Offtopic)

shlomo (594012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039662)

like dave barry always says:
It is made up of 2 latin words:
1) Simo
Like the sinus only lower
2) Niker
Early version of sneakers

i.e. a smelly sneaker

hey mod (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039688)

how can something be overrated if it has never been modded up?

Re:hey mod (-1, Offtopic)

sjwt (161428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039704)

the person dosnet deserve there +1 for having positive karam..

Think of it as evolution in action.,

Re:Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039668)

a quick google search shows that it has no definition ... but, there are several hits to slashdot posts, so it looks like it's nothing more than someone's username

Re:Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039627)

Hi simoniker, hows it going?

Re:Join the Simoniker Fan Club! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039698)

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE ! ! !

about time (2, Insightful)

shlomo (594012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039549)

finally someone got their act together, lets hope others take heed.

Re:about time (5, Interesting)

homboe (562583) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039751)

On the Electronic Frontier Foundation site (EFF) site I found http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item =2775 talking how to fight back.

I have not yet found, statistics on how many registered voters are fighting back, what state does these voters come from, etc etc. I think it would be interesting if EFF had that to show what kind of support against SCO exists. Anyone know if this exists? (Please tell me I am blind and cant read :)

Let's get all the one-liners out at once... (1, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039550)

- These Australians are not the only ones asking... - Hey Australia, if you see any proof, let us know, we've been looking for it too. - Just one firm? I thought more would be questioning. - Are those enquiries actually from people intrested in buying, or just wanting the proof... - So they've finally run out of Americans to bother? - Time to short SCOX!

Conspiracy (1, Flamebait)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039633)

Short SCO? Do you have any stock in this shit?

Seriously, we have at least one SCO story a day from slashdot between monday and friday, working days. How many people readers have invested in this?

I know SCO stories are popular, and they generate a lot of discussion, hence ad impressions and community activity, etc. But maybe many slashdot readers are riding this one to the bank like hypocrites?

--
Vegan World Order [veganworldorder.com] - Shut up and eat.

Remember (2, Funny)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039674)

If you buy SCOX and short it you can then sue Darl McBride for driving the price of your shares down. There was acase about a month ago where the investors shorted their shares, made loads of cash and then sued the board for causing the stock price to drop. Only in America.

Re:Conspiracy (0)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039714)

Oh come on. Slashdot readers playing the stock market? Unless most of the people here are management, we are just getting by with house payments. I will not go on with this line because it leans into Offtopic mode.

next week, on Animal Planet... (5, Funny)

Schwartzboy (653985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039642)

*wild-eyed gentleman in khakis and funny hat creeps through the underbrush*

*whispering* Now, we're about to see the rare American FUD-monkey! It seldom shows its face down under, but it's very dangerous when unprovoked and somehow convinced that it owns, well...everything.

*DARL hops out from behind a bush* Crikey! That'll take your arm clean off!! *he shoots a tranquilizer dart at the DARL*

*high pitched shrieking ensues. the call of the DARL sounds remarkably like the words "pump-and-dump" repeated over and over*

HEIL DUBYA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039554)

As predicted, George W Bush asks Congress to extend indefinitely the "Patriot Act" which severely chipped away the rights guaranteed to Americans by the Constitution.

SCO and the GPL (-1, Redundant)

com_64_dejour (741320) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039555)

The FSF and the kernel hackers could have a field day with SCO right now. This, along with the aborted attempt to sell binary run-time licences that restrict rights in a similar fashion, may be exactly the mistakes the GNU/Linux copyright owners have been waiting for. I'm pretty sure SCO's public statements about the invalidity of the GPL, combined with the GPL's own statements that any disagreement over the terms of GPL-code distribution kicks the whole package back to standard copyright and thus makes SCO's own continued distribution illegal as hell, will make this case a laugher. For all of SCO's claims that the GPL is anti-copyright and unconstitutional, the licence itself makes clear that if the conditions can't be fulfilled or the licence is found to be unenforceable, standard copyright law applies--which means, unfortunately for SCO, the code they're trying to distribute is not automatically public domain, and thus they have no right to distribute any code they can't claim direct ownership for. It just means the authors would have to come up with another way to licence their code, either collectively or individually--and SCO would be in no position to make demands.

Re:SCO and the GPL (0, Redundant)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039605)

Wow way to repost the same damn thing [slashdot.org].

unfair (0, Offtopic)

xyxy (742859) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039833)

I thought what I wrote earlier about sco and the gpl was germane to the current discussion. Lots of moderators agreeded...it's my post, what's the problem? It's not like I stole it from somebody else or something.

SCO: (5, Funny)

TexVex (669445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039562)

SCO: Australian for fraud.

Re:SCO: (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039584)

Isn't that...

SCO: American for fraud

??

Re:SCO: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039621)

only in soviet russia.

Re:SCO: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039635)

no

SCO: is American, for "Just another day at the office", unfortunately.
see also: grey money politics & bowling for Collumbine....

Re:SCO: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039696)

bowling for Collumbine is american for "fiction".

criminals (4, Interesting)

viniosity (592905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039563)

Maybe this has been answered already, but does anyone know whether SCO's board or management can face criminal charges if all these allegations are proved unsubstantiated?

Re:criminals (5, Funny)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039594)

I think they would go to a federal "pound me in the ass" prison.

We could only hope.

Re:cr1m1n4l5 (0)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039805)

Someone should tell the morons at SCO that there actually are absolutely no conjugal visits allowed there--it's just a myth. Except for those by your fellow inmates (as the name implies).

Re:criminals (2, Informative)

tftp (111690) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039636)

I think this is possible only if it can be shown that the responsible individuals did what they did not as a collective corporate entity but as a group of individuals. More here [google.com]. IANAL, of course...

Re:criminals (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039709)

Congrats on lousy linking. There was not one link there of any real value. Here [quickmba.com] is a good link. Either way you don't need to "pierce the corporate veil" when there is fraud. Piercing the corporate veil helps shareholders recover directly from the directors of the company. Fraud is just plain illegal.

Re:criminals (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039655)

They would have to prove that they knew that the allegations were false and that they actively pursued litigation anyway. Just not being able to substantiate their claims would not be enough. That could be due to incompetent lawyers, honest misunderstandings, etc. You have to prove intent to deceive.

Re:criminals (5, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039715)

Yes, in theory they have probably broken several laws. In practice, it is VERY difficult to prove that they weren't just trying to maximize shareholder value and make the most of their interpretation of the intellectual property they think they own. Unfortunately, being stupid and being wrong aren't themselves crimes, and showing that they knowingly and intentionally violated securities regulations (a la pump and dump), or purgered themselves in court or something that could lead to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison is very difficult. Witness the Enron case - only by securing cooperation and testimony from some mid- to high- level poeple are they able to make a case that the top level folks were anything other than tremendously stupid and misled.


That being said, our high standards of evidence are something we should be proud of. I just think that the stupidity/ignorance defense should be done away with at a corporate executive/director level. We need the equivalent of Sarbannes-Oxley for ALL corporate behavior, not just the financials, since there are other kinds of corporate fraud damaging the economy and the public trust in America, beyond misleading 10K submissions.

Think (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039755)

In practice, it is VERY difficult to prove that they weren't just trying to maximize shareholder value and make the most of their interpretation of the intellectual property they think they own.

This is one of the things that is wrong with American business: The sole (soul?) and primary duty and goal of and corporate board of a publicly traded company, is to increase the value of that company's stock. Many people do not realize this.

Re:Think (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039829)

It isn't to increase the value of the company's stock. It is to maximize shareholders' value just like the parent poster said. There is a big difference there. The value of a company's stock can be affected by a myriad of external factors. The management and directors of a company have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders to act in a manner that will maximize shareholder value.

Why do you think that is wrong? That is saying that it is not the management's responsibility to fatten their wallet at the expense of the shareholders. It is this that should protect us from guys like Dennis Kozlowski. Publicly-held companies exist to make money. If the goal of a company is not to make money then they should operate as a not-for-profit and reap the tax benefits.

Re:criminals (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039764)

Sarbanes-Oxley is a work in progress and the process of "establishing and maintaining an adequate internal control structure and procedures for financial reporting" should cover all corporate behavior since everything that a company does essentially effects its financials.

See, look what a swimsuit photo shoot can do... (4, Funny)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039564)

...to win the hearts and minds of Australian authorities. Linus poses in a speedo in .au, and his popularity there surges! Governments rush to his defence, fighting off evil SCO lawyers for Linus! If Darl wants to get support, he'll have to do the same ; strip and get dunked.

Re:See, look what a swimsuit photo shoot can do... (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039702)

If Darl wants to get support, he'll have to do the same ; strip and get dunked.

Do we really want to see that?

Re:See, look what a swimsuit photo shoot can do... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039811)

Yeah, we do.

It's boiling oil this time ;)

Jaysyn

CyberKnights??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039566)

Give me a fucking break. They're a bunch of moronic delusional nerds.

Re:CyberKnights??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039824)

Mr. McBride? Is that you, here on slashdot?

Fee (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039570)

We just went ahead and paid them... It's not that much money, and we are safe. Plus, they may well have a legitimate point here.

So we win either way.

Re:Fee (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039797)

Well, that leads us then to the issue of my fees. You see, you now owe me USD$666 for the use of the words "Anonymous Coward", which I own the copyrights to.

Don't ask for proof of my copyrights, because you obviously don't need proof. After all, $666 isn't that much, is it?

But.. (4, Interesting)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039581)

why is SCO's stock still at 15? even after red hat joined the user protection game..

After Hours (1)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039640)

The Nasdaq is shut. Besides, Litigation is SCOs primary business model, like this;

1) Threaten Your Customers
2) Fight Lawsuit
3) ????
4) Profit!!!!

obvious, see?

Re:After Hours (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039706)

After hours trading doesn't effect stock price? http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX SCO is up to 16 now! Perhaps not, but even after Red Hat's user protection annoucement it still wasn't down. I think it's time for a short sell. =D

Re:But.. (5, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039793)

Just think of the stock market as a giant slot machine where you need a broker to pull the handle. Pure unadulturated greed is what keeps it alive. Investing in SCO is a excelent example of this greed. Gotta make a gazillion buckaroos before the end of the day. Like all gambling addicts, the invester is probably trying to recoup their losses from other investments. I'm sure some will make out very nicely.

ACCC (5, Interesting)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039583)

IANAK (Kangaroo), but I've talked to Aussies, and they say the ACCC can really sink its teeth into companies that stir it up.

I think SCO is misunderestimating the tolerance for stupid circus antics from big business overseas. It seems like we'll pander to them for awhile and play along with their stupid games, then frequently let them scurry away, but other countries' governments and court systems aren't so forgiving. Push them, they'll push back. Fortunately, it looks like SCO is the little dorky kid and now he's trying to shove the bullies that are twice as big.

Re:ACCC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039735)

Who is the ACCC and where are they mentioned in this article? I know. I am a ethnocentric American but ACCC sounds like the Atlantic City Civic Center to me.

Re:ACCC (5, Informative)

Snad (719864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039776)

Who is the ACCC and where are they mentioned in this article? I know. I am a ethnocentric American but ACCC sounds like the Atlantic City Civic Center to me.

Australian Competition and Consumer Commission [accc.gov.au].

Basically an independent watch dog organisation set up through legislation to try to ensure the consumer doesn't get too screwed over in the course of business.

They recently prevented a merger between Qantas and Air New Zealand which would have removed pretty much all competition in the airline industry for flights between the two countries.

They certainly have teeth - which is remarkable for such a body.

They are mentioned in the article as being the first step in the legal process should SCO Australia not respond.

Inquires? ya right (3, Funny)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039622)

And I quote "received a dozen queries since Australian pricing for the licences was announced this morning"

Sure something like

"You do know where you can shove that license - don't you?" (Said with australian accent of course)

Re:Inquires? ya right (1)

Desert Raven (52125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039666)

received a dozen queries since Australian pricing for the licences was announced this morning

Yeah, but inquiries from their own sales staff aren't really all that meaningful.

Wankers.

It's like this (4, Funny)

vik (17857) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039784)

Caller: "You know that Linux licence you're peddling?"

SCO: "The one where you pay us loads, and carry on as usual?"

Caller: "We have a better idea."

SCO: "Yes..."

Caller: "We give you the finger, and you go back to Utah."

A Kiwi.

Re:Inquires? ya right (1)

Crypto Gnome (651401) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039814)

"Licenses fa Linux? Fair Dinkum? Ya no whe ya c'n shuv 'at lie-sense, don'cha - mate?"

Chances of SCO screwing Aussie companies for "linux licenses"? Two
  1. Buckley's
  2. None

    For all you furry-ners it means pretty much the same as "Sweet FA" / "A SnowBall in Hell" / "Hell Freezes Over".Buckley's Chance [anu.edu.au] William Buckley [williambuckley.org]

SCO, I have five words for you... (0)

terraformer (617565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039630)

Bring it on... Oh, OK, it's three words but our president can't count either. But seriously, I run Linux (and Mac OS) and I welcome letting them take me on. I am pissed about this FUD that SCO is spreading sans any proof and I want an outlet to vent. I see all of these slime balls getting rich on other peoples efforts and I want blood in anyway I can get it. It is about time those who have worked to make the computing areana adhere to a more level playing field that embraces open standards to stand up an fight back. I am not talking about DOS attacks, I am talking about fighting back using the media and the courts the way those who seek to control us use daily.

SCO licensing debacle? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039673)

Let's focus on the real tragedy, the fact that Australian women are fat and ugly, particularly in Perth. All first-world countries suffer from this same dearth of sexy ladies however, so australian men aren't alone in their lack of non-fuglies to screw.

The lessor of two evils, again. (2, Interesting)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039680)

This is a great thing, but yet again, the lessor if two evils. Slashdotters have not said nice things about Australia's ACCC, but they DO have teeth, and put up with no shit. SCO has just taken on a very dangerous shark that will eat them and spit out the bones.

Well then, great (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039689)

What do the slander/false claims laws work like in Australia? Are we about to see one more country crossed off the list of places SCO can go around claiming people owe them money for other people's work?

So that's what now, Germany and tentatively Australia? Well, maybe not a long list, but at least it's two countries longer than the list of countries in which SCO has successfully prosecuted a UNIX IP case...

How many does it take? (3, Interesting)

Disavian (611780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039690)

Is anyone keeping a tally of how much moolah SCO has invested in the court system right now? Just to think, all of that MS money is going to feed hungry lawyers, all over the world! Darl should be proud. Also, it will be interesting to see how many simultaneous lawsuits it takes to kill the SCO Legal Team (also known as SCO). There's one from Austrailia, one in the UK(?), all the stuff between SCO and IBM, SCO v. Red Hat, SCO vs. Everyone Who Wishes to Smite SCO, et cetera...

It's not just the ACCC - section 202 may apply (5, Informative)

siliconbunny (632740) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039691)

Section 202 of the Australian Copyright Act [austlii.edu.au], headed "Groundless threats of legal proceedings", is also a fun tool.

"(1) Where a person, by means of circulars, advertisements or otherwise, threatens a person with an action or proceeding in respect of an infringement of copyright, then, whether the person making the threats is or is not the owner of the copyright or an exclusive licensee, a person aggrieved may bring an action against the first-mentioned person and may obtain a declaration to the effect that the threats are unjustifiable, and an injunction against the continuance of the threats, and may recover such damages (if any) as he or she has sustained, unless the first-mentioned person satisfies the court that the acts in respect of which the action or proceeding was threatened constituted, or, if done, would constitute, an infringement of copyright."

I wonder whether SCO has fallen foul of it...

I was thinking about this (2, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039692)

And especially now at election time such political issues crop up as whether the Republican laissez faire approach to business or the Democrat central control approach to business is more desirable.

Yeah, I know everyone's more interested in Dean making an ass out of himself in that speech after the Iowa caucus, but the longterm health of the American economy is much more fundamentally important than some passing gasbag.

The story is about Australia, but since Oz is perhaps the most culturally similar country to America (barring Canada, of course) it makes sense to really consider what kinds of steps are necessary to prevent fraud in business. Should the approach that Americans are taking now which is primarily a Republican-style approach of letting private companies duke it out in court and leaving the arbitration to judges the right way to go? Or is the Australian method, similar to the approach approved by Democrats, of forcing the company's books open by law the right thing?

I'm torn. Both approaches are relatively unsatisfactory and have repercussions which may be unintended. Pesonally I lean towards the Republican position of leaving private entities to fight amongst themselves with as little governmental intervention as possible.

Yet another Arena to lose face in (1)

s4ltyd0g (452701) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039695)

You'd think these guys would be saving there money for IBMs big guns. Go figure...

A dozen enquiries? (4, Funny)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039705)

SCO has just released licenses for Australasia and claims enquiries by several companies already.

A dozen enquiries, the article says. I'd like to know who's asking about this IP "licensing" plan, since I'm thinking of selling the Sydney Harbour Bridge, which I inherited via my uncle, and was looking for someone in Australia to buy it.

How many takers? (1)

chrismg2003 (687481) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039710)

I would be interested to know exactly how many companies SCO has managed to talk into buying licenses without offering proof of their claims.

concerning dingos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039726)

maybe a dingo ate your code?

Give Darl a call (5, Funny)

Anaxagor (211917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039732)

From the CyberKnights [cyberknights.com.au] page:

"...we are currently exploring workable methods for becoming big while remaining small...

Well, you could always dredge up some code you wrote years ago, grep through an OSS source tree until you find a partial match and then issue ridiculous demands for outrageously expensive licenses...

Conservative legal system (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039742)

Australia has a more conservative legal system than the US. Here, the ACCC can hit SCO pretty hard if they do not substantiate their claims. It is even possible that they could bring the SCO directors up on criminal charges. The only problem is that it takes a small company with big balls like CyberKnights to champion the claim before the ACCC will get involved.

unimaginable (2, Interesting)

tloh (451585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039756)

Not that I'm feeling sorry for McBride et al. I just can't imagine how bad this will get for SCO if during the course of legal manuvering this turns into a criminal case and they're convicted by two sovereign nations of this farce of a white collar crime. What are they going to do? take turns and alternate between sitting in US and ANZ jails? Seriously, folks, who gets to decide which punishment will be administered by who and where?

Argh, booby-trapped web page (5, Funny)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039758)

I visited the CyberKnights web page which was yellow on black. I'm in a brighly lit room with a bright LCD screen -- now I have to wait for my corneas to grow back.

Re:Argh, booby-trapped web page (1)

jlanthripp (244362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039817)

Hey, at least you don't have to go to a Stryper show to see Metallica in concert anymore!

And if you can remember when Metallica opened for Stryper, you qualify as an official old fart.

Odds on a win (1)

Inexile2002 (540368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039763)

A couple of times during this whole SCO imbroglio I've heard people quite authoritatively say that even if you've got no case, shit for evidence etc you've still got a 1 in 10 (or 1 in 20) chance of coming away a winner in court.

First off... does anyone know where this stat comes from? Second... and perhaps more relevant to this article - Is that just an effect of a somewhat broken legal system in the US or is that a global stat? Do they have the same odds in Aus? Up here in Canada? Europe? Just curious really.

One silver lining to this who SCO thing is that I've been able to use the word "imbroglio" at least a couple of times a month. Thanks Daryl!

Re:Odds on a win (1)

jlanthripp (244362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039789)

That statistic is derived from the fact that a jury in the US is composed of 12 registered voters who aren't smart enough to avoid jury duty, or just don't have anything better to do.

Think about that for a moment. These are the people of whom 48% or so voted for the Shrub, and another 48% voted for Algore. That means you're dealing with a jury pool that's about 96% completely fucking stupid.

Proof of lawerying industry weighing america down (5, Insightful)

3cents (741537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039798)

As Americans sit and watch other countries do what we should have done 4 months ago, I can only shake my head in dismay at all the money we throw at lawyers to settle something that any moron could figure out.

This isn't Roe v. Wade, it's a simple verification of the code, no ethical delimas to deal with here.

Humour: SCO & Kiwis (4, Funny)

vik (17857) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039799)

The connection between SCO and a Kiwi:

They can both shove their bills up their arse.

Vik :v)

The bills are on the way (5, Interesting)

Gleenie (412916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039803)

I work for a telco in NZ; one of our partners received an email yesterday from SCO as a heads-up. I'm actively trying to contact our finance and legal departments to make sure we don't pay any invoices. We will be a target: there are only three big telcos here, they'll be sure to hit all of us.

Quote from Brooks, SMH author (5, Informative)

hsoom (680862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039804)

This quote in the article from Leon Brooks, director of CyberKnights, jumped out at me:

"Basically, we're asking SCO to put up or shut up..."

Sounds to me like someone who reads Slashdot/Groklaw/some other community site. Also the following quote:

"As a director of CyberKnights, I personally know and trust several contributors to the Linux kernel, including the original author, Linus Torvalds. As of three days ago, Linus told me that he knows of no substantial code in his Linux kernel source code tree which could possibly be subject to ownership claims by The SCO Group."

These give me an image of someone that is heavily involved in the community and has simply had enough of this crap. Cheers to someone in my home city that is taking some action, I hope that you get the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) sunk right into SCO.

I'd like to say a big thank you to Sam Varghese of the Sydney Morning Herald who wrote this story. He's covered a lot (if not all) of the SCO story and he's given voice to the anti-SCO FUD side, such as Brooks and Groklaw. Sam is Definitely one of the good guys, thanks for all of your help mate.

He's rallying the troops (0)

PetoskeyGuy (648788) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039813)

Linus just happens to go on vacation in Australia and shortly there after a major lawsuit against SCO occurs. Coincidence?

SCO and the GPL (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8039819)

The FSF and the kernal hackers could have a feeled day with SCO right now. This along, with the aborted attempt to sell binary-run time licences that restrict, rights in a similar fashion, may be exactly the mistakes the GNU/Linux copywrite owners have been waiting for. For all of SCO's claims that the GPL is auntie copywrite and unconstitutional, the licence itself is found to be unenfoeable.

Tune In Tomorrow... (2, Funny)

E-Rock-23 (470500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8039823)

... As the SCO *Nix saga continues. Will IBM sleep with Novell? What will the wicked stepmother Microsoft think? Will Linus ever find love despite his arranged marriage to Kernella? Does SCO have the power to usurp all of the twon of Port *Nix? The answers to all this and more on tomorrow's "The Frivolous and the Greedy"

Brought to you by a cheap, self-loving plug... [temperededge.com]
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