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SCO Lobbying Congress Against Open Code

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the da-da-approach-to-business dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Along with suing Novell - it was announced today that SCO has been lobbying Congress about the horrifying ways that Linux and the rest of open source software saves users money, allows others to use the software anyway they see fit and 'gasp' causes SCO to not make as much money as they would like. Along with all of the usual FUD. OSAIA has the details (as well as a rebuke)." Darl's words will seem pretty transparent, even funny, to anyone aware of the widespread acceptance and use of Free / Open Source software (by individuals, governments, non-profits, and even companies like SCO) -- but you might have to point this out to your servants in Congress.

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penis (-1)

Dragoonkain (704719) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049491)

sco :(

Re:penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049674)

Yes, actually there are people who want or need to make money and can not rely on parents tolerating their children dwelling in their basement until they are 55.

Amazing, isn't it?

Of course, I do not imply you acting in such a way.

(fag)

Ha. Haha. Hahahaha. (-1, Redundant)

b0r0din (304712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049496)

Oh fun. Another SCO story.

Darl is a moron. SCO has been doing this for years. SCO won't win, it doesn't matter how much congressional lobbying occurs.

They are going up against some giants in the tech world. I'm fairly confident that 1) They don't have a case and 2) They are getting desparate with this. Either way, I think we're beginning to see SCO try to inflate their stock price before they collapse.

So... (5, Funny)

DragonMagic (170846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049499)

So when will SCO be lobbying God to stop all these bad things? Seems like the next logical step in that fantasy world Darl lives in.

Re:So... (2, Funny)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049695)

until darl realizes that God released the source to the universe...in which case he will have to make a deal with Satan....oh..wait....nevermind.

Re:So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049751)

And in other news, Slashdot reports on Slashdot. The sign of a dieing web site.

Microsoft (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049501)

I wonder when Microsoft is going to come out behind SCO's curtain?

Re:Microsoft (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049546)

When you remove your tin foil hat...

Re:Microsoft (4, Interesting)

Dav3K (618318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049711)

While I am sure that MS is happy to see SCO cause controversy, I hardly doubt they were needed to prompt them into this kind of action. Sure, they will buy a license, knowing that it will fund a lawsuit they will enjoy playing out in court.

Despite what it does have, MS does not have a monopoly on ill-informed, greedy executives willing to make a play for cash. The SCO debacle would have happened with or without MS, plain and simple.

Re: Microsoft (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049812)


> I wonder when Microsoft is going to come out behind SCO's curtain?

When the hard-on goes away.

Lobbying Impact (3, Insightful)

oGMo (379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049503)

SCO will have a major impact I'm sure. They can make their political contributions in stock options.

Re:Lobbying Impact (5, Funny)

Not_Wiggins (686627) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049647)

Awww... I was hoping the "impact" you were going to talk about would be measured in crater size...

Re:Lobbying Impact (5, Insightful)

epiphani (254981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049660)

Dont underestimate this. Go read that letter. Its designed to appeal directly to the politician in every fasion you can possibly do so. It mentions tax revenue losses, US supremecy in world markets, degredation of copyright laws (which RIAA and the MPAA are yelling in the other ear about), and loss of american jobs.

It stops short of claiming the GPL is the communist revival, but it might as well have.

I'd like to see us respond. We need someone who might make sense to these people. Some rich american. An IBM exec would do the trick. The usual rants from FSF, GNU or EFF people aint gonna help us here.

Re:Lobbying Impact (2, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049676)

Like those currently in power have shown any interest in saving American tech jobs. They don't care.

Re:Lobbying Impact (5, Insightful)

rm007 (616365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049789)

While those in power certainly have an interest in protecting American jobs there are a couple of other things to keep in mind. First and foremost, this is an election year. Sure, members of Congress have been made aware of intellectual property issues by the lobbying of the RIAA, but they have also seen what a fiasco that has the potential to be as young children and little old ladies get hauled to court. They may shy away from taking a stand on a complex computer-related intellectual property issue that might also blow up in their faces. Furthermore, although I don't expect politicians to have a sufficient grasp of economics to work this out, Open Source is as, or more likely to be a net creator of American jobs seeing as it has the potential to lower the cost of doing business of all kinds of job producing businesses, even if companies such as SCO may not do well out of it. All in all, I doubt it will have much of a lobbying impact - mostly for the first point I raised.

all I have to say is... (3, Insightful)

trifster (307673) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049507)

IBM's lobbyists are a helluva lot better paid and effective than SCO's will be...that's a place where SCO will lose in the FUD war. Can't bullshit a bullshiter..

Re:all I have to say is... (1)

whittrash (693570) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049781)

Senator Orinn Hatch's son was representing SCO in court back at their last hearing. Hmmm......

In other words? (5, Insightful)

StarTux (230379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049511)

Hi, I cannot compete against this, a better product that costs less. Please outlaw it as soon as possible. Competition is just so un-american!

Is that what he is saying?

Re:In other words? (1, Insightful)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049687)

It's what MS is saying.

Re:In other words? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049799)

Basically, and let me point out that this line of argument has SUCCESSFULLY gotten tariffs imposed on Japanese automobile imports, and annual bailouts of the airline industry, so it's certainly not as far-out as it sounds at first.

Congress WILL enact stupid legislation if it will keep large corporations (with good donation records) in business, even if it means flying in the face of reality.

Then again, SCO is not such a corporation. But Microsoft is.

Re:In other words? (4, Insightful)

miu (626917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049815)

Hi, I cannot compete against this, a better product that costs less. Please outlaw it as soon as possible. Competition is just so un-american!

If you read the pdf he repeats over and over that the free products are only valuable because they stole from SCO.

The first couple times he says "in our opinion" and "we believe" regarding the origin of the value of free software, but by the end he is in full rant mode and outright stating that North Korea has received valuable stolen IP via Linux.

Kind of surprised the lawyers have not muzzled that moron yet.

in other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049512)

SCO lobbies Congress against the First Amendment...

Howard Dean down in flames (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049515)

Send him another check losers.

Re:Howard Dean down in flames (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049743)

Slashdot is known for its far-right pro-corporate pro-Bush leadership.

Go flame somewhere else.

I thought the days were over... (1)

stealth.c (724419) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049547)

...when SCO could absolutely surprise me with their lunacy.
To this act of SCO I dare to say for the first time in months:

WHAT THE FUCK?

Re:I thought the days were over... (1)

JuliusRV (742529) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049744)

Second that! Reading this pile of outright lies and the way he is sliming his way up the politician's ass could almost make me barf! This guy belongs in prison, for real!

Facts about open source (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049553)

1. Open source software is free, leading management and general users to believe that no one ever should pay for anything software-related.

2. Open-source products are available to anyone, which led to outflux of jobs out of United States, since a developer in Tanzania knows Apache or MySQL just as well, but is willing to work for 2 kilos of rice a day, unlike their greedy American counterparts.

3. Open-source projects have never been tested and approved by Microsoft or other reliable software vendors with market cap over 100 billion and public trust behind them.

4. All open source companies are either bankrupt, or litigating, or in the process of bankruptcy/litigation process.

5. Open source companies contributed more to the job losses in the software industry than any other company sector. Microsoft had always been hiring and so have other closed-source companies.

6. Open source does not have a vital business model.

7. There are many software shops that write little Access-thingies and make thousands of dollars per month. Microsoft had made thousand of millionaires in the software business. Linux so far only earned money for IBM and HP.

8. As Linus himself shamefully admitted, errno.h was shamelessly copied from SCO Software Development Labs. Thus the terrorist organizations around the world know the error codes for any Linux system and potentially coudl disrupt nuclear reactors and spaceships.

fantastic (1)

MrSpiff (515611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049559)

I personally applaud SCO for not only pulling the biggest stunt in the opensource community this far, but executing it so badly it comes off as nothing but a joke.

My god, haven't the figured it out? (0, Redundant)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049560)

SCO is soooo not even relavent anymore.

I think we should launch them into space. W wants to send folks to Mars, I vote that they should get the first ticket, so long as we don't send any food.

Re:My god, haven't the figured it out? (1)

Gil-galad55 (707960) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049593)

Negative Ghostrider--Darl can't have my seat on the way to where no one has gone before! How about a one-way ticket straight to hell instead?

Re:My god, haven't the figured it out? (1)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049611)

Don't they usually send chimps first?

Re:My god, haven't the figured it out? (2, Funny)

marco0009 (716718) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049680)

We would lose less from an intelligence standpoint if we sent Darl instead.

Re:My god, haven't the figured it out? (2, Funny)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049787)

Not to mention the PR standpoint. I don't think PETA would be very happy with the chimp idea, but SCO execs...?

If you can't win in the courtroom... (3, Funny)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049561)

Run. RUN!!! Run to your local lawmaker and have them change the rules. A play right out of Darl's CEO 101 Handbook.

Its too late, Darl. You can't preserve your house of cards by hoping someone will change the laws of physics for you.

Need good, solid, points of rebuttal (5, Interesting)

sphealey (2855) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049566)

Darl's words will seem pretty transparent, even funny, to anyone aware of the widespread acceptance and use of Free / Open Source software (by individuals, governments, non-profits, and even companies like SCO) -- but you might have to point this out to your servants in Congress.
Indubitably. But we need some good, solid, well-written points in rebuttal to include in those letters. Let's see what we can put together in the comments to this story.

sPh

But ofcourse (5, Informative)

snofla (236898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049567)

SCO doesn't mind using Samba [linuxtoday.com] .

Re:But ofcourse (4, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049635)

The funny thing is, being formerly Caldera, one of the pioneers of truly commercial Linux, they benefitted hugely from other people's work. In fact, they owe their very existence to Linus & gang since 1994, as I somehow doubt they can claim all their revenues since the company was created come from their few non-free bits, such as NetWare for Linux or Wabi.

Congress (5, Funny)

markfive (167272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049573)

"You can lead a man to congress, but you can't make him think."

- Milton Berle

Help me...I'm melting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049580)

I'm melting...I'm melting. [imdb.com]

We are witnessing the death-throws. Come Friday, we'll all see the end.

The end of Robert Patrick in T2 (in the furnace) also comes to mind.

Lobbying Congress (5, Interesting)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049582)

Folks, it's easy to dismiss this as a non-issue but it's a scary thing, this Congress...stuff that doesn't make sense gets passed as law...because corporations LOBBY for it. (not to mention throw around campaign contribution money)

Also, SCO isn't the only company out there lobbying against Linux. This is something Redmond has been actively pursuing long before, and we know how much of a pull those guys have in American government.

We may think it's a stupid threat, but folks, I've seen stupider things happen in politics.

Re:Lobbying Congress (1)

gcaseye6677 (694805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049696)

Yes, but, you're forgetting something. IBM has a much larger public relations (lobbying) department than SCO, and many more years of experience. Then there is Red Hat, Novell and others who will also be countering SCO's lobbying efforts. Microsoft cannot be seen directly contributing to SCO's effort, or their intentions will become obvious right away and the entire effort would be ruined. This is not much to be worried about; its simply the last gasp for air of a dying company.

Re:Lobbying Congress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049790)

You are assuming that IBM is interested in lobbying against SCO's position. I've seen no evidence that IBM has any such intention. IBM sells tons of proprietary software that competes directly against open source stuff, and IBM is even a member of the BSA! Sure, IBM supports linux, but that is because they rightly see that they can make money if they play their cards right at the moment. For all we really know, IBM executives could secretly be in agreement with SCO on the issue of open source software.

Re:Lobbying Congress (4, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049702)

I would be very surprised if IBM, HP, Novell and others don't have lobbiests of their own refuting this b.s.

IBM seems to be doing okay. They announced better than expected earnings and are anticipating hiring more than previously projected. Yes, many of the jobs are not in the U.S., but IBM probably pays more in sales tax on their corporate lunches than SCO does in total tax.

Re:Lobbying Congress (4, Interesting)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049745)

Agreed. My father is a lobbiest (at the state level, not national), and you would not believe some of the crap they pull. I remember one case where he said he called up all the congressmen's wives and told them the were going to have a hard time finding opera tickets if a bill which directly affected Ticketmaster went into effect. Needless to say, the bill was quickly and mercilessly squashed.

If the SCO team can convince congress that this bill somehow might affect their own lives personally, this could mean big trouble...

On the other hand, though, the claims they are making are ridiculous, and they have yet to prove in court that they actually do own part of the Linux code. Perhaps congress will wait for the outcome of the trial before proceeding.

Is lying to Congress illegal? (2, Interesting)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049583)

I'm just wondering. It'd be awfully funny if it is.

Re:Is lying to Congress illegal? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049717)

obviously that depends on the situation:

-No, if it's about an invasion of another country!
-Yes, if its about the "invasion" of an intern.

Re:Is lying to Congress illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049782)

Yes, if its about the "invasion" of an intern.

I seem to remember that, when it happened, the intern welcomed the "invasion" even more than France welcomed the Germans during WWII.

Re:Is lying to Congress illegal? (3, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049741)

I'm just wondering. It'd be awfully funny if it is.

It would appear it isn't. [tripod.com]

Re:Is lying to Congress illegal? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049762)

That depends what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

Re:Is lying to Congress illegal? (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049794)

If it was illegal, then every politician and lobbyist in the US would be serving time.

Even for SCO this is an odd line of defense (4, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049584)

SCO has been lobbying Congress about the horrifying ways that Linux and the rest of open source software saves users money, allows others to use the software anyway they see fit and 'gasp' causes SCO to not make as much money as they would like.

It's akin to saying people who donate their time to help newbies understand computers hurt the bottom line of universities offering CS course. That's silly, people do what they want with what they produce. How can they force people to stop donating what they make?

Then again, at least regarding the Linux kernel, they argue that part of it is theirs, and therefore can't be "donated", so it makes sense in their perpective, in an odd acid trip sort of way ...

Unilikely to succeed... (2, Funny)

An Anonymous Hero (443895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049588)


...given our congress' firm commitment against Weapons of Mass Distraction.

Re:Unilikely to succeed... (2, Funny)

ydnar (946) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049639)

It believe it's high time to introduce Darl to weapons of ass destruction.

One point was correct (4, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049589)

They claim that Open Source threatens "[The US] continued ability to lead the world in technological innovation/[The US] international competitive position in the global software industry".

Well, yes, it does. That is only because up until now we have been talking about what amounts to a closed protectionist system via closed formats, software patents etc. Welcome to the free market. That's not to say that the US position in the software industry won't be very competitive, merely that they'll actually have to compete with everyone else on a level playing field.

Is he arguing that free markets are against US ideology? Interesting take - might even be true from the point of view of some elements of congress.

Jedidiah.

I bought my car, just like my computer (1)

bugnuts (94678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049594)

Now they want me to pay for the air in the tires?

Re:I bought my car, just like my computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049603)

No, they want you to pay for the gas in the tank, fool.

Re:I bought my car, just like my computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049816)

... but it runs on Free Loooove so much better than gasoline, foo'!

Brent could hand deliver it to Orrin (1)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049596)

at the Hatch family reunion!

The Beginning of the End for SCO (4, Insightful)

hcg50a (690062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049597)

This is a sign that SCO believes they might not win in the courts with existing laws, and so must lobby to change the laws to their benefit.

How they can hope to do this in the face of much better funded and more experienced lobbyists who are opposed to them is a mystery.

I think it's also a sign that their whole strategy is running out of steam.

the point (0)

name773 (696972) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049619)

there is a point where you start ignoring stuff like this.
....unless you want to ad a humor section :)

Excellent... (1)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049627)

Hahahahahaha, this story just made my day.

Better than the Simpsons... SCO vs The World.

freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049630)

If technology can make knowledge and information free, is it acceptable to keep poor people ignorant and uninformed through artifical pricing and supression of knowledge? If Darl McBride were in charge it sure would be...

I'd love to know (2, Interesting)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049634)

...if any Congressmen agrees with Darl, and if so, their names. Why? So I can campaign for whoever's running against them, and if they're in Texas, I'll vote for one of their opponents too.

Not only is supporting SCO's actions unethical, but agreeing with Darl's statements re: open source (regardless of who says them, Darl or not) is just plain anti-freedom. And the idea of someone who hates freedom being in Congress scares me.

Re:I'd love to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049740)

It scares me that someone against freedome is the Attorney General! Anyone who came up with or voted for the PATRIOT act is against freedom.

One small company against the world... (4, Interesting)

borgheron (172546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049637)

It amazes me that SCO thinks they will be taken seriously by any policymakers when you have the likes of IBM, HP and Apple using Open Source every day.

Darl, you're an idiot who just doesn't get it. You've got enough lawsuits going (what are we up to now: IBM, HP, Google, ???) might as well add another front to your war.

Good riddance SCO, you're bound to loose. And you, Darl, will go down in history as the sorriest idiot ever to run a company. You got in and you let the lawyers take over. And to think that SCO was once a decent player in the GNU/Linux arena. Sour grapes, huh? Asshole.

GJC

As he lougnes poolside. (1)

MacFury (659201) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049749)

Sadly, The idiot has probably made than more monetarily than you and I ever will.

I really do hope that they send this man to jail for fraud, but I doubt that will happen.

And God Is On Our Side! (1)

jsrlepage (696948) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049640)

(Image on background : hand of God... restrainint itself from shooting McBride to the skies - LITERALY.)

I for one, welcome our new Insect Overlords (4, Interesting)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049645)

I think the Linux advocates in the crowd should form their own lobby. Then lobby the same people SCO is lobbying.

But wait -- don't say anything about Open-Source, software, UNIX, Linux, etc.

Just re-hash the same arguments SCO is making, but in a parody. We should argue that it should be illegal to fix your car in your driveway, since it robs tax-paying mechanics of their livelihood.

With enough access to the drivel coming out of the SCO lobbyist's mouth, it could make for some pretty hilarious (and pointed) commentary.

Re:I for one, welcome our new Insect Overlords (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049713)

You can laugh, but here in Raleigh, NC, it actually is illegal to work on one's car in one's driveway.

Codified SCO business plan (5, Funny)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049653)

# $version 0.01$

my $funds = get_money('src'=>'microsoft');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'sun');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'baystar');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'hapless_investors');

while ( $funds > 0 )
{
$funds -= pay_legal();

sue_someone('target'=>rand);
public_release('threat'=>rand);
}

die;
&nbsp ;

Flat Broke (1)

Cosmic_Hippo (739370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049658)

Seeing as how SCO has to pay their lawyers in stock, thankfully they wont have the cash to buy themselves any new laws.

Apparently the only tactic left to them is whining. Hopefully their end is in sight.

Obligatory Microsoft Comment. (2, Insightful)

x136 (513282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049659)

Noooo, Microsoft isn't behind this at all! Not even a little bit! :P

What Darl really meant to say. (5, Funny)

Anaxagor (211917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049666)

1. The threat to the U.S information technology industry

"Please legislate to save our industry so we can send it to offshore sweatshops and make gazillions (and those election campaigns ain't cheap hey Mr Congresscritter )."

2. The threat to our international competitive position.

"Forget anthrax - Linux is the real WMD!"

3. The threat to our national security.

"Forget Saddam - Linus is the real enemy of humanity, and you can add Finland to the axis of evil! Those Finns, what have they done for us recently, with their weird language and dinky little phones."

Re: What Darl really meant to say. (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049783)


> "Forget anthrax - Linux is the real WMD!"

That's so last year. In 2004 it's "WMDRPA".

OH please! (1)

Geek of Tech (678002) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049667)

>> "First, Linux and Open Source software are developed and distributed (often at no cost) under a scheme called the GNU General Public Licence (GPL), which some believe, is in direct contridiction to US copyright law, to the Digital Millineum Copyright Act (DMCA), and to the recent Supreme Court decision in Eldred v. Ashcroft."

Darl, I'm not thinking nice thoughts about you. To start replace everything that says "some believe" with "SCO". Also, I think Darl is the only one that's worried.

It's a licencing agreement. Read it. Nothing in it is illegal. To have the privilage to build onto Linux, you agree to let others build onto what you added.

Welcome to the fun fun world of fascism! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049692)

You do not, in our capitalist republic, have the right to make money. You instead have the right to attempt to make money.

What's the difference? Simple.

Right to try to make money: "I'm going to make a product, offer it for sale. What I make from selling it, minus any taxes, expenses in making the product, and employee salaries is mine to keep."

Right to make money: "If I don't make $x in profits, it's all open sources fault! So I'll sue everyone who makes it, everyone who defends it, and everyone who even thinks about it, because it's my right to make $x, and no one can take that away from me, no matter how unsellable my product is!"

The first argument is capitalism.
The second is fascism.

Santa Cruz uber alles, Darl?

List of Congressmen/women who received this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049693)

Does anyone have or know where we can obtain a list of Congressmen/women who have received this letter from SCO? It would be helpful to know who we as a community need to direct our concise, well-written, polite, and factual rebuttals...

Maybe (4, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049694)

Instead of pointing fingers at a bunch of amateur programmers writing code on their own time for fun as being dangerous to their business, they should look at their own piss-ant low-quality product. SCO's embarassment of an operating system didn't noticably change between the first time I had to use it on a 286 machine in the late '80s and the last time I had to use it on a pentium in the late '90's. A timeframe during which, I might add, those amateurs took a barely usable OS kernel and added more features than any commerical UNIX company (Except maybe Apple) had done in the past 2 decades.

What the hell were the UNIX companies doing during that time? They could have remained competitive. They could have kept up with the times. They could have written the GUI apps that their users wanted. They could have incorporated new coding techniques into their code bases. They could have kept the desktop market. If an unpaid rabble of amateurs could do it, why couldn't these companies, collectively worth billions of dollars? Nevermind Apple, merrily rubbing their faces in how easy it is for a for-profit company to do exactly the same thing.

If I were a shareholder of the big UNIX companies, upper management would have a lot of 'splaining to do.

OK, now we have a problem (1)

dacarr (562277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049703)

The fact remains that Congress may just very well try and pass this. Anyone remember the CDA from about ten years ago? Get on the word processor and WRITE YOUR FSCKING CONGRESSCRITTER NOW.

Be afraid, be very afraid... (2, Insightful)

neilcSD (743335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049705)

They are lobbying the same people who gave their blessing to the DMCA. It is obvious that FUD works on politicians, because when it comes to technical issues they don't know shit from shinola.

Great way to ditch your old Caldera CD (4, Insightful)

Ricin (236107) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049710)

Send it to your favorite congressman, err woman, err entity. Point at the words Linux and GPL.

It might be worth its bucks after all.

No More Complacency (4, Insightful)

druske (550305) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049715)

I've got to hand it to McBride, he's finally pushed my buttons. Up until I read his letter, I'd been watching this SCO fiasco from the sidelines. I hadn't been too worried, because I'd been convinced that IBM would prevail in court.

I have a bit less faith in the average politician's grasp of these issues, though, particularly with McBride going out of his way to spout about "national security" and suchlike. Like any good showman, he knows his audience.

I'll need to spend a day or two getting the tone and wording just right (polite, reasoned, and respectful), but my Senators and Representatives will be receiving an alternative viewpoint by next week.

Well, maybe more than one...

Things are improving (1)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049721)

Hey we are now down to a few thousands of lines of code.

"Linux software contains thousands of lines of [sco's] propriety Unix code"

Can't they make their minds up. Big diff between millions of lines to thousands of lines.

Re:Things are improving (1)

sm0yby (728247) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049767)

We should be happy about it - at that rate in a few days there won't be any code claimed by SCO left in Linux!

Darl caught lying in Salt Lake (5, Informative)

gnutechguy (700980) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049726)

Here is an interesting article that is in the Salt Lake Weekly:

http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2004/feat_2004 -0 1-22.cfm

In this article, which is really above average, Darl McBride is quoted making the following interesting statement:

"McBride says SCO revealed the offending code last August at its Las Vegas SCOForum. "Truly, and then they just ignored it," he said."

Now, I must point out Bruce Perens put his analysis of the Las Vegas SCOforum with hours of it ending last August 18th.

Link to Perens analysis:

http://www.perens.org/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html

Also, Darl misquoted Perens' website so Darl knows it exists. Therefore, for Darl McBride to say that the Las Vegas SCOforum's showing of code "was ignored" is to make a lie that can be documented quite easily.

Darl McBride: documented liar

Who gains if US bans FOSS? (4, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049729)

Imagine how fast jobs would go overseas if the US did ban FOSS?

That giant sucking sound that was in the news a few years ago (about NAFTA) would be back, but this time, it would be real and it would be all the software and services jobs going to India, China, etc., maybe even Europe. Anywhere that was not so stupid as to ban FOSS.

Re:Who gains if US bans FOSS? (1)

borgheron (172546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049769)

If the US bans FOSS I'll renounce my US citizenship and move to Canada.

I'm not kidding. :P

GJC

i love this quote: (5, Funny)

Rude-Boy (25678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049735)

"But a computer expert in North Korea who has a number of personal computers and an internet connection can download the latest version of Linux, complete with multi-processing capabilities misappropriated from UNIX..."

Since when ... (5, Insightful)

cetialphav (246516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049737)

Since when do companies think they have some fundamental, constitutionally protected right to make money. The RIAA, airlines, SCO. If they have trouble competing or can't make a product that they can sell, they turn to the government. As if its the govenments resposibility to overcome bad business practices.


It's a free market. If you get things just right, you are free to make tons of money and get filthy rich. (Microsoft) And if you get it wrong, you are free to go the way of the dodo bird and free up capital for those who have a better idea.

Why stop there... (1)

rex vonireful (683301) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049747)

They should lobby Congress for something realistic, like adding an amendment to the constitution outlawing the use of open source.

"Linux Helps Terrorism" (5, Funny)

localhost00 (742440) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049764)

Next, the Oil companies try to outlaw bicycles?

Hell NO we won't SCO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049765)

n/t

Groklaw (1)

StTimothy (69943) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049771)


Does anyone know what's the status of Groklaw? They've been down at least a couple of days now.

Terms you can easily understand. (1)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049779)

Could it be any more obvious that SCO has become Microsoft's PR department? They're basically Darth Maul to Emperor Bill.

SCO has opened the FUDgates this week (1)

yeremein (678037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049786)

First, the lawsuit against Novell,
then, a bunch [whatpc.co.uk] of interviews [slweekly.com] ,
and now, this ridiculous tripe lobbying congress to ban open source software, when SCO itself still distributes it to this day!

SCO must be trying to distract attention from something. Could it be the hearing scheduled for this Friday?

They think that... (5, Insightful)

deitel99 (533532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049791)

...we are firm in our belief that the unchecked spread of Open Source Software, under the GPL, is a much more serious threat to our capitalist system than US corporations realise.

I dunno, I think the huge US corporations pose a greater threat.

McCarthyism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8049800)

If it's free the Red's must be involved! It's a communist plot to destroy our economy and overthrow everything the American people hold dear. Darl that saint, should be praised for bringing the red scourge to our attention.

Four words.... (1)

JoeBaldwin (727345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049802)

TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT.

What's sad is that Congress will buy this word for word, and then we will be fucked royally. The Administration will start to rule the GPL as the about 4 words and that will be the end of this once fine movement.

And, would someone like Apple please step in? They're open sourcers. So are IBM. And they can most likely kick ass and take names.

Civil Disobedience (1)

potpie (706881) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049806)

I believe in Open Source, and I will not allow any government to keep me from using it and contributing to it.

And I'd like to know how Open Source would be defined by a law prohibiting it. If I made a program and asked for suggestions on how to make it run better, have I broken the law? Or is it just that after a group of people make a program, they can't sell it? And what's the difference between a group of people working in a company and a group of people working by themselves? What's wrong with sharing information?

I guess SCO's view of a perfect world is one where corporations control both the people and the government. They would like nothing better than to force us to buy their products and handcuff us to our computers while flogging us with Cat5 UTP.

They trying to get the Feds to buy licenses! (4, Insightful)

fname (199759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8049810)

I think all SCO wants out of this is to get the US Government to pay SCO for licenses (and fund its lawsuits). This would provide a tremendous influx of revenue, and could pressure private companies into doing the same. Lemme quote,
As part of the effort to protect our intellectual property rights, The SCO Group has met with several U.S. government agencies. We have been encouraged to see that, unique among the organizations with which we've met, most government agencies understand the implications of SCO's case
(we can be thankful for that at least!). Government agency leaders readily understand the value of copyrights, and they do not want to be in violation. This is in contrast to many corporations, who seem to have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to understanding the source of the software they are using.
Essentially they are butt-kissing and asking congress to force agencies to pay SCO for using Linux. I have no doubt they will fail miserably in that regard, but I'm more worried about the administration issuing an edict which would require agencies to pay SCO's blackmail. Stay tuned.
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