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Real Announces Helix Grant Winners

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the twirly-and-creative dept.

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elaineg writes "We're happy to announce the 2003 Helix Community Grant Program winners for development of open source projects on Helix. They are to UC Santa Barbara for providing robust multicast support in Helix, the Justin Karneges and Ulrich Staudinger at the Jabber Foundation for Jabber/Helix integration, Robert Kaye at MusicBrainz for integrated metadata cleanup in the Helix DNA Client, Jesse Schell at Carnegie Mellon University for integrating the Panda3D game and simulation engine with Helix, and the Xiph.org Foundation for further R&D and support of Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora codecs, including Helix DNA platform integration. More details can be found in the press release. Also, in vaguely related news, we've released Milestone 2 of the Helix Player for Linux." Helix styles itself as "the first open multi-format platform for digital media creation, delivery and playback", and has been created by Real Networks.

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That's nothing... (-1, Offtopic)

blat.info (744034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050424)

Somehow, they expect us to believe this stuff. Believe me, there's no way I'll take this [blat.info] lying down.

LINUX IS LIKE ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050649)

... shit.

Re:LINUX IS LIKE ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050743)

...yep. All brown and steamy.

We're going to take back the White House! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050764)

EEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHHHHHHH!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like Dean screaming.

Helix Grant? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050426)

What's that all about?

Is it good or is it not so good?

yo yoyoyo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050428)

di yi ge post!

This is Wednesday (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050440)

We hate RealNetworks because of spyware today.
Please re-post this story Thursday, when we love RealNetworks for their anti-Microsoft stand.

Re:This is Wednesday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050958)

It's already Thursday in this part of the world, and guess what?

We still hate RealNetworks.

Its good to see (5, Insightful)

HappyCitizen (742844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050455)

That Org Vorbiss R&D is given an award. Its a good format IMO

Ogg good! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050538)

Can I have some karma now?

Re:Its good to see (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050975)

And the winner is!!!!...

Buffering...

Re:Its good to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051030)

Hahaha. Now that's comedy.

YLFI

Ok, this sounded interesting until I read... (-1, Flamebait)

revolvement (742502) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050458)

..the last sentence: Helix styles itself as "the first open multi-format platform for digital media creation, delivery and playback", and has been created by Real Networks. Real Networks? The same people who spawned the RealOne player? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the assumption that RealOne was a horrible player, so what incentive do I have for downloading this?

They should have more screenshots. (5, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050494)

If this one [helixcommunity.org] is anything to go by it looks like they may have created something better than the old players from hell.

Simply a menu bar, a playback area and some control buttons. Lovely.

Re:They should have more screenshots. (1)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050508)

It looks too utilitarian. I hope they get some people working on interface design.

Re:They should have more screenshots. (4, Informative)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050956)

The UI is written in glade [gnome.org], and the helix engine is wrapped in a GtkWidget-based GObject.

This makes it easy to create your own UI or even custom player

UI feedback is welcome on the users mailing list, users@player.helixcommunity.org, which you can subscribe to on https://player.helixcommunity.org [helixcommunity.org].

Re:They should have more screenshots. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050534)

a menubar playback area and some control buttons, simplicity is a positive. what else is necessary, its a media player. not an organizer etc.

Re:They should have more screenshots. (1)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050921)

Yep, that's the way the gui layout looked last time I tried helix, a couple weeks ago. My favorite feature is in the options though, the ability to choose betwean sound systems.

Wow... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050463)

Who cares, Real sucks. I'm serious. Why is that company still around?

Re:Wow... (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050559)

Aaww well yes, they do suck, but I also remember a time when they were the only maker of serious software to play video on Linux, and I was really grateful to be able to play realaudio and realvideo files on my then badly supported pet OS.

I guess it's like a moped : when you're a kid, you feel the biggest guy in town on your little buzzing machine, then you get your driver's license and your first car, and your hate the thing for taking up so much space in the garage and stinking the place up with that awful gasoline stench. But remember you once liked it though ...

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051605)

ur right when people were pooping on linux left and right real stepped up to the plate...although they eventually served us a steaming pile of shit...just for old times sake ppl should give them a chance to do good.

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050631)

Do you think the POS company has a future? I doubt it, when was the last time Real posted a profit? No one needs to buy Real software!

Just wanted to remind people.... (4, Informative)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050490)

/. conformism wins out over independent thought? (5, Insightful)

jensend (71114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050792)

Look- everybody knows Real's mass market players have been horrible for quite some time. However, whenever anybody mentions Helix on /., any rational discussion is drowned out by a horde of people who haven't looked into Helix at all but want to get in their "R3AL I5 T3H 5UX0RZ!" me-too comment. Helix looks like a really solid effort, and the linux player is rather nice. Hopefully management will let them release a Windows port of the helix player as they intend to do.

Re:conformism wins out over independent thought? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051238)

Like you have to ask.

Another... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050492)

...FUCKING REAL AD on Slashdot. What the fuck. Stop.

What is this crap? (1, Insightful)

phr1 (211689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050504)

The only important parts of realmedia are the realaudio and realvideo codecs which as far as I know are proprietary. All attempts to integrate open formats like Vorbis into realplayer are only helping spread the disease. Why does anyone think it's interesting? Until the realaudio and realvideo formats are opened, integrating those other formats is just helping Realmedia Corp. co-opt the open formats.

Re:What is this crap? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050573)

They are giving you a free player that supports open formats as well as their own. Seems potentially valuable to me even if you don't want their codecs.

Re:What is this crap? (1, Interesting)

enosys (705759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050613)

Don't they at least deserve some credit for not being Microsoft?

Re:What is this crap? (1)

starm_ (573321) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050637)

Can you even get a free player for real format these days? I think there is only 14 day demo but prove me wrong.

Re:What is this crap? (3, Informative)

brain159 (113897) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050716)

Immediately underneath their blue cross-bar under their tab navigation stuff, at the right, are the magic words "Free RealOne Player".

If you look closely in the Preferences dialog you can also disable the "check for new messages" junk which is also a major source of pissing-everyone-off.

Re:What is this crap? (1)

waxed (1538) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050742)


http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk

zounds (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050803)

Your UID is 1538 and that was only your fifth comment?!?

What the? (5, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050661)

You seem to be saying that getting Realmedia to adopt open formats is a bad thing?

Sure, we'd all like all the codecs to be open but in the meantime proprietary+open is better than proprietary alone. Pre-existing proprietary codecs are never going to be opened. Whatever they or we want sorting out all the patents and licences to do so would be an unbelievable amount of effort. You can't just "undo" proprietary development like that.

What we can do however is help Realmedia see the value of Open formats here and now. We can't change their history but we can try and guide their future.

Re:What the? (3, Insightful)

ThogScully (589935) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050690)

I wish I had mod points to mod you up. I know the general consensus here is that Real is a bad company, but personally, I like being able to listen/watch streams in Linux because my other option is essentially not to listen/watch streams.

I'm glad someone's giving me an option and the fact that they're using open protocol standards also only emphasizes that some websites may now choose that format in the comfort of knowing there is a bigger installed base.
-N

Re:What the? (0)

phr1 (211689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050906)

You seem to be saying that getting Realmedia to adopt open formats is a bad thing?

Yes. I'd rather that they either go completely open and be embraced as a standard, or else stay completely proprietary so they can die out as quickly as possible and be replaced by open formats. I don't see this mixed open/proprietary stuff as doing anything but prolonging our agony.

Re:What the? (3, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051650)

I'd rather that they either go completely open and be embraced as a standard, or else stay completely proprietary so they can die out as quickly as possible and be replaced by open formats.
And I'd rather travel to work in a flying car, get paid a million dollars for an hours work and drive home to my wives Sarah Michelle Geller and Jennifer Love Hewitt for a bit of nookie.

Unfortunatly I live in the real world.

  • Real cannot feasibly open up their closed codecs.
  • They cannot simply dump their closed codecs in favour of open ones as they clearly must continue to support existing customers.
  • There is no indication that if Real were to die there would be any great migration to open formats. Instead there would be a migration to the only other format that has an existing installation base. Microsoft Media Player.
Real providing access to open formats provides a migration path. It's incredibly hard to get people to switch from one thing to another without one of those.

Re:What the? (2, Insightful)

phr1 (211689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051763)

I don't see why they can't open the closed codecs. Other companies open formerly closed programs or formats all the time. Even Flash has been opened, fron what I understand (the format, not the Macromedia implementation).

Re:What the? (2, Informative)

waxed (1538) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051846)

Even if RealNetworks wanted to open up the codecs completely (not to say they don't), they couldn't; some chunks of code inside the codecs are not RealNetworks property. There are technologies utilized in the codecs that are owned, copyrighted and patented by third parties (Intel, Sony, etc.) and licensed and built upon by RealNetworks. RealNetworks almost certainly does not have their permission to release the code they don't actually own.

a cancer analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051084)

From the parent post:

You seem to be saying that getting Realmedia to adopt open formats is a bad thing?

And you seem to be thinking that if you can give cancer cells unfettered access to healthy cells, everything will turn out A.O.K.

Real has already repeatedly demonstrated that it doesn't give a shit about its users. Why on earth would anyone concerned with open source do a thing that serves this company's best interests?

The sooner companies like Real go belly up, the better it will be for anyone who uses a computer. Streaming media will immediately shift to less proprietary sources, or non-proprietary sources. I challenge you: how does Real's continued existence serve anybody but the company's shareholders?

Re:What the? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051137)

But Real Networks does see the value in open source - they see the value of getting people to promote their proprietary stuff for them - for no pay. Seriously, they really don't share any of the values we associate with open source - this really is just exploitation by pretending to give a shit about open source.

Re:What is this crap? (1)

dragonfly_blue (101697) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050815)

I couldn't agree more. Giving Real the opportunity to exploit our hard-won Open Source formats to further gain market share strikes me as a horrible decision.

Re:What is this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050836)

I agree. Any company that supports OGG in their products should be boycotted.

Re:What is this crap? (4, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051011)

Until the realaudio and realvideo formats are opened, integrating those other formats is just helping Realmedia Corp. co-opt the open formats.

Of you don't want groups to co-opt your open format, then don't release an open format.

I thought the whole point of open formats to be used?

Re:What is this crap? (3, Informative)

kforeman (596891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051838)

We are building the industry's best Linux and open source media player. Yes, we haven't open source our RealAudio and RealVideo codecs because we can't. We don't own all of the IP inside of those codecs. However, the Helix Player with Ogg and SMIL support are 100% open source. Let me say that again. 100% open source. We are pleased to be working with the open source community to finally standardize on a legitimate media player that plays all formats, even those that are not open, like MP3, MPEG4, Flash, RealVideo 10, RealAudio 10, etc. Take Milestone 2 for a run at www.helixcommunity.org. Kevin Foreman GM Helix, RealNetworks

Pre-compiled milestone 2 binaries for x86/Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050507)

Anywhere I can get these?

Second request--any way to get binaries that don't have GTK2 button order?

TIA!

$1,995 price tag (1)

IDreamInCode (672260) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050521)

Does this mean I'll still have to pay the $1,995 price tag?

Re:$1,995 price tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050739)

Yes. Plus, you still have to pay your $699 SCO licensing fee.

Re:$1,995 price tag (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050825)

You forgot to mention that he's a cock-smoking tea-bagger.

Helix Player milestone 2 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050527)

Is there a direct link to download the new linux helix player? I don't want to register on their web site for no reason, I just need a link...

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (4, Informative)

DA-MAN (17442) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050601)

Here is the direct link for the download!

http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helixdnaclient/ [helixcommunity.org]

Here is a quick tutorial on making an rpm of it.
http://fedoranews.org/tchung/helixplayer/ [fedoranews.org]

And since there is no Windows version of the HelixPlayer, here is the link to the RealOne Player:

http://www.realone.com/R/RC.012004realhome_1_1_2_1 _1_2.ecomm...R/forms.real.com/real/realone/realone .html?beta_bypass=true&bbits=true&type=dlrhap_bb&& pp=home&src=012004realhome_1_1_2_1_1_2 [realone.com]

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (2, Interesting)

glassesmonkey (684291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050704)

I think the link to the windows Real One player should be a *hint* to everyone about what this company is about.. Note: the link is NOT http://realone.com/download/realoneplayer_free.exe but rather a game to trick the average person into going somewhere they did not want to go.

Does anyone think all the recent PR on slashdot in favor of Real (including quotes about having changed their ways and favorable comments from Helix community) is that much different from the clicky trickery just to download the player? It's just more of the same "try our great new player".. You just wait for the other RealOne(TM) shoe to drop.

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050977)

The big question for me is who's going to get hit by any possible dropping of shoes. If I gain the ability to use an officially supported linux player with a gtk2 based gui, ability to choose sound api, and even the option to modify the gui, I don't really care what they do with the windows client. Heck, a company whose Linux release is better than the windows version is a welcome change from the norm.

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (1)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050759)

The referenced "direct download" link is for the nightly builds of the helix player. The release MS2 build can be downloaded from here [helixcommunity.org]

(You must register on helixcommunity.org and click through the binary eula to get access to it)

The main page for the player project is at: https://player.helixcommunity.org/ [helixcommunity.org]

From there, you can access the web forums, mailing lists, and issue tracker.

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (1)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050954)

Do you know what DR5 is and how it differs from MS2?

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (2, Informative)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051134)

DR5 (Developer Release 5) is a September 22, 2003 release of the client sample players, splay (no gui -- video window only), and helixplay (cross platform basic gui, uses motif on linux).

It does not include the hxplay, the gtk-based linux player.

You should register on helixcommunity.org, as that gives you access to the web support forums, mailing lists, and issue tracker.

But, if you insist on using a build from the nightly builds [helixcommunity.org] download page, your best bet would be Table "Tarball for 01/15/04", row "linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586" column "HelixPlayer"

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (1)

elohim (512193) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051182)

windows version: http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helixdnaclient/ind ex.html?filename=20040121/all_clients-helix-200401 21-win32-i386-vc6.zip

Re:Helix Player milestone 2 (1)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051282)

This is not the same helix player as the linux helix player. These are more basic test clients that are samples for developers working with the helix core.

Let me be the first to say (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050599)

How much helix sucks. I just downloaded the player for Win32 and attempted to play an MP3 stream which is played flawlessly by Winamp, iTunes, WinMP, and XMMS. Helix played it full of chirps, like it was a bad MP3 from Usenet circa 1993, and to top it off it stopped to do a "Buffering..."

I can't make this up.

Re:Let me be the first to say (1)

Duncan Howard (695897) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050655)

As yet, there is no Windows version of the Helix player. You are either lying, or mistaken.

Re:Let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050722)

Then what is this??? [helixcommunity.org]

You are either lying, or mistaken.

How funny is that? You lying about lying!

Re:Let me be the first to say (2, Informative)

Duncan Howard (695897) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050771)

Ok, I understand what you were downloading. Splay and helixplay are "sample" applications. They are provided with the Helix DNA client source to provide developers with examples of how to work with client core. I thought your were talking about the GTK Linux player (http://player.helixcommunity.org), which has not been ported to Windows.

Re:Let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050697)

sorry, there were no mp3's back in 1993.
please drive up to the window.

Call me a skeptic, but Real... (4, Insightful)

Myself (57572) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050621)

...must have something up their sleeve. Everything Real has ever done has been user-hostile, with the express aim of taking control of your computer away from you.

Without some absurdly good justification (a new board of directors with Mother Theresa as chairperson?), I can't believe that Real would do anything "open" without an ulterior motive.

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050740)

The whole point of this Helix project is to let people build a nerd-friendly, spyware-free RealPlayer for nerds.

Want to know what's going on with Helix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050806)

Use the source, luke.

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (3, Interesting)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051184)

okay, here it is:
real is getting their ass handed to them in the formats market. divx/xvid/mpeg4 format files are everywhere. quicktime sorenson is thriving in its own nitch. realvideo formats are nowhere except for low end streaming, and that market is drying up.
in the music field, mp3 is the king, but wma and itunes m4a/m4p are catching up. ogg is out there for the geeks. meanwhile, real's audio and drm formats are decaying. their portable strategy is even worse (having sat in on some meetings with them, in a nutshell it is "[insert platform] is not currently supported").
their players are spyware-ridden, buggy (buffering...), and annoying (being a pioneer in the player "skinning disease" that every media player seems to suffer from now). smart users avoid them like the plague, and stupid users, well, they have windows media player already installed.

the only reason to have the real player installed on your machine right now is if there is some real content that you need to see. real's motive here is to make their streaming servers the choice of the geeks. microsoft is edging them out of the streaming server, but the problem is, you need to run windows to serve windows media format streams, and they are not (officially) supported on linux/unix clients. by giving the source (for what, really, a streaming server and client? big deal), they get cross platform compatibility, good pr, some free porting efforts, and a last foothold in their dying market. now, when your boss comes to you and says "we need a streaming video server", will you say "let's put up a winxp machine and stream asf", or will you say "real helix server on one of our linux boxes"?

the fact is, they still suck. but at least now you don't have to rely on their shitty software as much as previously, at least making them a viable option. that's what their up to. whether it succeeds is yet to be determined.

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (1)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051447)

Glad to hear Helix is a viable option! ;)

Re: your codec comments, the helix client [helixcommunity.org] page has some technical information on the codecs. The latest helix client & player also supports the AAC audio format, as seen in iTunes among other places.

As for DRM and devices, https://devicedrm.helixcommunity.org/ [helixcommunity.org] talks a bit about that.

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (2, Informative)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051565)

I'd also add that the news page talks a lot about how helix is being used by our partners. Worth a read! https://www.helixcommunity.org/ [helixcommunity.org]

To name the top few, in order of appearance:

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051851)

Err... why does http://player.helixcommunity.org/ redirect to https? Especially since your cert isn't properly set, or something, I get a bunch of security warnings going to the page.

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (5, Informative)

kforeman (596891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051768)

Guys, its really simple. Over 65% of our revenue now comes from consumer content services like RealOne SuperPass (content from CNN, ABCNEWS, Major League Baseball, etc) and Rhaposdy (streaming music service) This business model has allowed us to build great free(gratis) and open source (libre) software products, like the Helix Player. Kevin Foreman GM, Helix, RealNetworks

Re:Call me a skeptic, but Real... (1)

EverDense (575518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051936)

Without some absurdly good justification (a new board of directors with Mother Theresa as chairperson?)

So, having an Undead Nun on the board of directors is a GOOD thing?

Real sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050710)

I don't even have it installed. If someone wants me to watch a video, they can either encode it in a different format or fuck off.

Whither Ogg Theora? (5, Informative)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050714)

I'm beginning to think Xiph may fade and disappear at this rate. The Theora mailing lists appear to be dead, there've been no 'Ogg Traffic [vorbis.com]' updates for a couple of months, and Theora's still at "Alpha 2" half-a-year after it was originally scheduled to be "finished"....

I'd played with the alphas and liked the video and sound quality. Seemed like a really promising format, so hopefully they won't let Theora languish and will use some of the grant money to get back to work on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

Re:Whither Ogg Theora? (2, Informative)

marshall_j (643520) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051268)

The milstones [helixcommunity.org] for the Helix player suggest that support for Theora will be included as at milestone 4 - june 2004.

Quote:

Media Types Supported:
  • All modern RV and RA codecs (RV10, RA10, RV9, RV8, RA8, RVG2, RV7)
  • MPEG4 enabled (codec not bundled)
  • MP3, H.263, G2 Audio, Ogg Vorbis, SDP
  • Full SMIL 2.0 Support
  • AIFF, wav, au, RealText, Flash, RealPix
  • Ogg Theora Support

Re:Whither Ogg Theora? (2, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051837)

and Theora's still at "Alpha 2" half-a-year after it was originally scheduled to be "finished"....

Yes, development is going slow, unfortunately, but I'm sure it's not stopped. My main concern is not that it won't get finished (I'm sure it will) but that once it's finally done, it'll be so far behind the curve that nobody will want to use it.

Theora isn't dead. There is Theora support in Xine, MPlayer, and I'm sure other media players.

Personally, I wish they would have just released a Unix VP3.2 encoder/player, instead of wasting a lot of time on trivial improvements. Windows users can use the VP3.2 Quicktime plugin (along with a quicktime Vorbis Plugin) and create patent-free movies, but us Unix folks are left out in the cold.

Mplayer is your friend (4, Interesting)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050765)

It plays almost everything I need it to play. As of pre3 the exception seems to be realaudio streams (which play but seem to lose sync after a while). I'm sure that'll be sorted out before long though - props to the developers!

Re:Mplayer is your friend (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051783)

It plays almost everything I need it to play.

"almost" and "I need" being the key there. I've been on the mplayer mailing list for some time now, and I've heard no end to the feature/format requests. NSV support isn't in there for one.

As of pre3

I use that version as well.

the exception seems to be realaudio streams (which play but seem to lose sync after a while).

Not only that... RealVideo+Audio streams seem pretty lowsy. A video that is quite high quality, with a fast framerate (when played with RealPlayer) ends up very low quality, and an extremely low framerate (when played with MPlayer). Several MOV video won't play at all. Many WMV/ASF files are completely broken, so essentially don't play. And that's only on Linux. On other platforms there are a lot more limitations.

That said, although it isn't perfect, and doesn't support everything, it's better than any other single media player around

I'm sure that'll be sorted out before long though

I have to doubt that. There are a lot of long-standing issues that just have never been fixed. Some formats being half-broken are just a few. MPlayer still doesn't have any semblance of DVD-Navigation support (it would be nice). All sorts of things are being put off until G2 is a reality, and that is a very very long way off.

I think more and more people are switching to xine, which is more feature-stable and bugfree, while having a more idiot-friendly user-interface (although not as powerful).

Where is the code? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8050799)

First they need to get their licensing scheme in order. Next when I can compile Helix from source code, then I'll take them seriously.

Helix for ppc Linux? (1)

mjc_w (192427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050858)

This may be naive, but, can Helix be compiled for Yellow Dog Linux on Mac hardware?

Re:Helix for ppc Linux? (1)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051012)

The platforms supported by the helix player are listed here [helixcommunity.org].

Help is wanted for the powerpc port -- developers interested in porting should subscribe to the helix player developers list, dev@player.helixcommunity.org.

Just say NO to Real; use these alternate tools (2, Troll)

coltrane679 (118528) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050908)

Real is hideous spyware, bloatware and crapware; the most recent version is worse than ever:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2 41 90-2004Jan17.html

Instead, use these tools if Real Media is all that is available:

Player: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group _id=82303&package_id=84358

Capture and convert to AVI: Use Real 7ime, more about it here:

http://emoney.al.ru/capture-streaming-video-and- au dio/record-streaming-video-real-video.htm

And if you want to see all the options for capturing streaming media:

http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stre am /all-streaming-video-recording-software.htm

FUCK REAL by any and all means possible.

Re:Just say NO to Real; use these alternate tools (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051075)

And an AMEN to you brotha!

Re:Just say NO to Real; use these alternate tools (1)

HoneyBunchesOfGoats (619017) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051143)

To add to the info you give, I just stumbled upon this program today, it not only captures Real but several other formats, it seems very configurable and works quite well:

NetTransport [lycos.com.cn]

Re:Just say NO to Real; use these alternate tools (0)

Big Blingin (744015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051445)

WTF?! Troll?! Real is a bunch of shitty codecs that haven't been useful since the mid 90s foolz! Ya'll best be moddin mah parent nizzy up!

And how was the parent post a troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051555)

Looking at some of today's RIAA story mods, plus mods like those directed at the parent article, make me wonder if Slashdot is getting co-opted by astroturf industry folks.

We're seeing moderation that makes no sense whatever, unless you have vested interests in the RIAA or in spyware developers like Real. The parent post had all kinds of useful links and was clearly well thought-out. Marking it as a troll really raises suspicions about who is doing the moderation here.

Re:And how was the parent post a troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051937)

It's a troll because he didn't hyperlink his URLs. Duh.

Gstreamer.. (2, Flamebait)

Ploum (632141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8050953)

Well, I prefer spending my time to develop applications using gstreamer and feeding the gstreamer's bugzilla.

I've seen some mail about helix on the gstreamer and on the matroska dev list.

It's very interesting, because the only thing that helix folks can say is : "Helix is really better because we have the best codec ever made : RV9. And if you join Helix, you can build a player that play RV9 file. If you don't join Helix, your player will suxx because it will not be able to play proprietary encoded RV9 videos and RV9 is the best codec that everybody will be using."

I maybe wrong because my english is not perfect. I hope to be wrong... If not, please forget helix. it's disgusting...

Totally Lost (2, Insightful)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051140)

I'm totally lost here, I've registered all agreed to two seperate licenses but I can't find the source to M2. A little help here.

Re:Totally Lost (1)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051226)

The download is here [helixcommunity.org] (requires helixcommunity.org registration, which you've done).

It is an installer that you can "chmod a+x" and run. rpm's and tarballs are coming soon.

The release notes for MS2 are here [helixcommunity.org].

Re:Totally Lost (2, Informative)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051386)

I got the binary installer, but what's confusing me is that the Release Notes [helixcommunity.org] say the source is availible but on the download page all I see are "hxplay-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin" and "Test Plans." I'd love to get at the source because some minor things are driving me nuts.

Re:Totally Lost (4, Informative)

rgammon_real (738651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051488)

The easiest way to get the source is here [helixcommunity.org].

You want the "01/21/04" table, "source" row, "HelixPlayer" column.

You should be able to build this tarball by untarring it and typing make.

It'd also be a good idea to subscribe to the dev@player.helixcommunity.org mailing list here [helixcommunity.org]

You can also ask questions on irc.helixcommunity.org channel #player if you have feedback, or need a hand with the build system.

Hope to see you on the mailing lists!

Re:Totally Lost (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8051312)


Howard Dean 2004 [deanforamerica.com]
Dean, the Sodom and Gomorrah candidate, got his rear end handed to him in Iowa. Thank goodness.

Wow, Justin Karneges... (1)

}InFuZeD{ (52430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051404)

Good to see (former) TI Programmers making it big. First Jimmy Mardel wins the Google Code Jam, now Justin.

For those that don't know, Justin Karneges created the Joltima RPG for the z80 processor based TI Calculators. He also worked with his company Affinix to create Joltima II (Infinity) for the Gameboy Color... unfortunately, they couldn't find a publisher, and by the time they did... the Gameboy Advance was released and they pretty much lost all hope.

Personally, I'd still buy their game... looks like one of the best RPGs ever made for a portable.

Jabber (0, Flamebait)

LS (57954) | more than 10 years ago | (#8051469)

I think the guys over at Jabber need to work more on their shitty architecture before working on Helix.
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