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America's Army - Development, Impact Analyzed

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the glossy-brochure-du-jour dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 56

Professor writes "The MOVES Institute's America's Army team has placed a booklet on the game's development and impact (PDF link) onto the web." The MOVES Institute is part of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, and their page notes this booklet was "...developed for the America's Army exhibit [part of the Bang The Machine exhibition] at San Francisco's Yerba Buena Art Center... [and] tells you all you wanted to know about the philosophy, history, and implementation of the MOVES Institute's hit game." We've previously covered the reported recruiting success of America's Army.

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FPPPPP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073407)

Bisexual Clones from Africa!!!

I don't know about you... (-1, Flamebait)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073477)

...but I won't play this game and help the army's recruiting methods succeed. I'd rather encourage my friends to play games that aren't made by organizations bent on killing people. :)

That's just me, though...you may like killing people for a living.

Re:I don't know about you... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073511)

This is hysterical.

Of course they're bent on killing people -- THEY'RE THE FUCKING ARMY, YOU STUPID DIRTY HIPPY.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073567)

" ...but I won't play this game and help the army's recruiting methods succeed. " ...Why not? Do you also boycott any tv show/channel/network/cable company that runs GO ARMY ads? What about all of the magazines and even fliers depending on where you live?

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073843)

Well, I don't watch tv at all because it's mindless trash...but that's neither here nor there. I just refuse to play their recruitment tools...the same way I'd slam the door on any recruiter that showed up at my house.

Re:I don't know about you... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073975)

Based on your ridiculously elitist attitude, I would assume:

1. You don't have a job

"Because then I'd have to pay taxes to the government. And they're all assholes!"

2. You don't have a significant other

"I'm too good for anybody"

3. You're most likely one of those conformist nonconformists

"If you want to be a nonconformist, you have dress just like us and listen to the same music at us"

4. You're gay.

Re:I don't know about you... (0)

cronostitan (573676) | more than 10 years ago | (#8074396)

"Do you also boycott any tv show/channel/network/cable company that runs GO ARMY ads?"

ehh.. yes.

I think there is nothing good coming from war or violence. The obvious mechanical response to violence is more violence... but violence doesn't solve violence - you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077681)

wow

so we should really dismantle our military, eh?

Be realistic.

Re:I don't know about you... (0)

cronostitan (573676) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078027)

Well...

an army for _self defense_ is okay (as last ressort).
The problems are the limits of _self defense_.
Theses limits are getting softened everytime a nation is getting threatened in one way or the other.

My thinking of "banning army commercials" is founded on the danger of glorifying the army (which is happening alot in recent and older times) and by this glorifying blood, tears and war (even if it wasn't meant that way)

Calling and using the army should be the last ressort... unfortunately it is not happening that way.

Sometimes i have the feeling that only by glorifying the army some people can stand the pain when someone they loved died in country for some oil and faked mass destruction reasons.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078095)


Maybe in your world. I live in this one.

Everything isn't utopian.

I'll ignore the spin at the end and throughout your comment and ask why you think serving the country isn't an honor and shouldn't be glorified?

I believe in pre-emption. This is where we dissent.

Re:I don't know about you... (0)

cronostitan (573676) | more than 10 years ago | (#8083752)

Because its not glorifying for the circumstance that you did something for your country but that you killed people. If you want to be glorified then help people with problems in your own country. I bet there will be alot to do (like in every country there is). Serving your country can be done in many different ways but shooting other people or dropping bombs on them arent the thing that should be glorified. Its a shame that even for self-defense you have to do this... it should never be a pride. History shows us how big the desaster can be if glorification of violence, pride and eventually dumbness are working together.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8087249)

You do realize there are jobs in the military other than infantry and artillery, right?

Volunteering to defend for next to no pay is indeed honorable as it is inherently selfless.

yea volunteering to work at a soup kitchen is nice, too but that is part time, ie., you don't live at the soup kitchen, its not your life and its a whole lot easier.

The US military role is more than domestic freedom, the US has taken on the role of defending freedom. You can argue my point, but you have to admit that historically, the us has been there to defend many a country in need.

Re:I don't know about you... (0, Flamebait)

Lemental (719730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073590)

Wow, the first post is from some peacenick with their stereotypical views of the army and its team of developers. I was assuming the crowd on /. was intelligent enough to recognize the difference between the army and a group of mass murderers. Let me educate you. The army protects you, and your freedoms to slam them. So, lay off, and give thema break. Unless you arent in this country. In that case, we STILL protect some of you and your way of life. You live in Europe? Chances are you have a US army base near you. So you encourage your freinds to buy other games where they are developed by companies like EA, and Ubisoft, who, are just in it for the altruisitc benefits? Riiiight.

Re:I don't know about you... (1, Flamebait)

merdark (550117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073845)

Yup... your country sure protected us from all those eeevil weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Your country also really really helped the people of Cambodia by helping the maniac Polpot into power. (I don't imagine your educated enough to know who Polpot was, let's just say he makes Saddam look like Santa and Hitler like the tooth fairy)

Your army did a great job training Osama bin Laden too! Although I must admit, you didn't train Saddam well enough. Yep, your country is full of saits! GO ARMY!

In all seriousness the US army has also done a lot of good, but that does not give you the right to go bashing others for wanting peace rather than war. And no, oil is not a good cause for war.

Yes, you were protected (0, Offtopic)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073937)

Yup... your country sure protected us from all those eeevil weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

Well actually yes. The last 12 years of heavy surveilance and overflight (US and UK) would have helped in that regard. Its better to prevent a weapon from being built in the first place than have to go destroy it. The problem was the US never really knew how successful it had been. Saddam seemed to want to keep that a state secret.

Re:Yes, you were protected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8075179)

Right... and I suppose all those surveillance planes have kept rabies infected elephants out of the midwest too, huh? What do you mean that was never a problem? Oh, I guess I didn't see the problem with yours either.

Point is, that's terrible logic. Because something doesn't exist doesn't make it successful necessarily. Unless you have proof (Saddam admitting that he was terrified of the spy planes) then you can't really spout that stuff here.

Saddam admitted he had WMD ... (1)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077006)

I recently watched a former UN weapons inspector, presumably British from the accent, being interviewed on the news. He said:
- Iraq used long range missles with chemical weapons against Iran.
- Iraq used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
- Iraq admitted having nerve agent based weapons.
- Iraq admitted having biological weapons.
- Iraq claims they destroyed it all in 1991 and refuses to provide evidence of this.

The Gulf War cease fire required Iraq to get rid of all of this AND it required them to document/prove it. Failure to document/prove their claims led to 12 years of UN based sanctions, overflights, and whatnot while Iraq existed in this self induced post-Gulf War limbo state.

So, Iraq had a large chunck of its military destroyed. It had some of the troops who did this hanging out in the neighborhood. It had some of the aircraft that did this constantly overflying enormous chunks of its territory. And you fail to see how this may have:
(a) if Iraq's WMD survived the Gulf War help prevent its further use or development.
or
(b) if Iraq's WMD did not survive the Gulf War help prevent reconstitution of the programs and weapons.
That's sadly amusing.

Regarding your question of Saddam being deterred I have some recollection of WMD research equipment being dug up at some scientists home. He claimed that he was told to bury it until the UN inspectors signed off on Iraq being WMD free, the sanctions lifed, and all the foreigners are no longer nosing around the country. I don't find the scientist as reliable as the UN inspector, maybe he stole the equipment so he could sell it, who know. In either case your denial that the US/UK presense in the area could have possibly helped keep this crap buried and out of use is amusing.

Re:I don't know about you... (2, Insightful)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8075087)

You need to be able to separate the Army, from the politicians.

Politicians are the ones who made the poor decisions you mentioned. The Army just did their job and implemented those bad decisions.

I think this is a good thing too. The army needs to be a tool of the politicians. The army cannot make decisions on its own. Otherwise, it turns into a situation where the army runs the country, and that never works out.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

merdark (550117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8076188)

You do have a point there, and in many ways I feel sorry for the soldiers sent out to do some of the less savory tasks that the government creates.

But more on topic, I still think it's wrong to lure people into a very serious career by making a game out of it. War is not a game, and actually being in the Army is not like the America's Army game which conveniently leaves out the unpleasentness of the job. If people enter the Army, they should do so knowing full well what it is, what it means, what it does, and that it will not be *fun*.

I don't think anyone in there right mind would suggest that the army of any country be disbanded. But the job should also be treated with a seriousness and respect, and making a recruting game just reeks of sleazyness and trickery.

So these young kids enter the army because that think they will be "leet sniper d00d" just like in the game? That's not the right reason to join.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077609)


The training is the same. Who wants to play a game where you pull a 24hour CQ?* The game works well to remind america's youth that the military is an option. I think its great. For awhile choosing army was out of style or whatever.

Hey, i'm in the army and its a blast. Don't tell me its not fun.

I've never met anybody that joined the army to be a 'leet sniper dude', and if they didn't they'd figure out in an instant just how dedicated you'd have to be to get anywhere near that level of expertise.
CQ: Charge of quarters. Basically sit around and wait for the phone to ring.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

cehardin (163989) | more than 10 years ago | (#8086090)

Actually I've had the best...and worst...experiences of my life in the Army.

The best was when I won a couple competitions to be able to launch Stinger missiles at BATs (REALLY big model rockets). You just can't beat the feeling of shooting missiles off your shoulder.

Now, when you're shooting the missile at an aircraft which is trying to kill you, or you buddies, that's a WHOLE different story. That's not fun no matter how you slice it.

But the truth is..somebody has got to do it.

Oh yeah, the worst part about being in the Army is dealing with some bullshit and a few incompetent leaders.

Overall it's not bad though. My whole point is that it CAN be very fun and rewarding. But like you said, it can also be very serious. It all depends on what you end up doing.

-2, Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8074671)

No, having more nukes than any other country protects the US militarily. You have scientists to thank for that, not grunts or generals. The army is a relic whose primary function is to subdue other countries whom the current US leadership, for whatever reason (say, to access the emergency powers of the executive branch), dislikes enough to punish... but who aren't enough of an actual threat to warrant a nuke.

Re:I don't know about you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8074690)

Fuck You. Go die in Iraq for a rich man to make a dollar. Fool. America is a lie.

Listen up panzies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8075134)

I'm not overseas fighting for your freedom just so you can go around saying anti-government and anti-army things.

If you don't like the country you should move! You shouldn't be allowed to stay in the country that I am protecting if you don't like the freedom I'm giving you.

Or maybe you're a Terrorist, or a Communist, or a Homosexual, or Black, or Hispanic, or Native-American, or a Woman, or a Man who disagrees with me, or maybe you're all of those! If you are any of the above then you should be shot!

--Sgt. Bushespawn

Yeah! Down with the army! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073685)

I mean we all know how great the world did when the Roman armies crumbled.

Re:I don't know about you... (4, Insightful)

joFFeman (574971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073706)

i'm a pacifist pinko, but i still play AA because it's a decent game. sure, it's propaganda, but i'm a big boy, and i can handle playing a game without being influenced negatively. you come across as a bit condescending, and i'd like to state for the record that all pacifists aren't quite as smarmy as yourself.

Some "pacifists" are just being trendy (2, Interesting)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073961)

and i'd like to state for the record that all pacifists aren't quite as smarmy as yourself

Keep in mind that some "pacifists" are just kids trying to be trendy, be fashionably rebellious, etc. They tend to over do it.

Warning: RDF in use (1)

gumpish (682245) | more than 10 years ago | (#8074981)

i still play AA because it's a decent game.

Compared to MS Solitaire? Sure.

Re:I don't know about you... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073822)

Please tell me the difference between playing a video game made by the army and a video game made by say, Valve, Epic, id, Red Storm, or Dice.

There isn't any.

The Army noticed that people liked realistic tactical shooters, such as Rainbow Six. So hey, instead of writing up a fictional story, how about teach them about how the Army works in real life? Maybe they'll sign up!

The Army did nothing wrong, and I congradulate them on this risky attempt at reaching a new generation.

So please, if you're going to complain that the Army is wrong in making this game, then practice what you preach and don't play any violent video games at all.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

samsmithnz (702471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8074819)

I jsut think the army spends enough money fighting wars and thats what they should keep doing. Why are we paying for them to develop a computer game that they are not even trying to make a profit off?

Not for profit (2, Insightful)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 10 years ago | (#8076095)

IWhy are we paying for them to develop a computer game that they are not even trying to make a profit off?

Well they are a non-profit organization. :-)

Seriously, recruiting is much more subtle than you suggest. T-shirts, hats, bumper stickers, and now video games are effective tools. They do not directly get folks to run down to the local recruiter but they are not meant to. They are meant to simply remind a person about the Army. Lots of young folks are not sure what they want to do, periodic reminders of the Army's existence sometimes leads to the Army getting onto a list of things to consider.

Secondly, it is also a PR tool. It counterbalances some of the unrealistic perceptions generated by movies. This can have a positive effect on someone thinking about the Army as well.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077691)


You know that money was earmarked for recruitment anyhow. They army can reach more people with something liek a videogame than they can with keychains and other doodads.

Re:I don't know about you... (1)

cehardin (163989) | more than 10 years ago | (#8086100)

It's simple, the Army needs a constant supply of people. Most people, whether they enjoy the Army or not, end up leaving after a few years.

Re:I don't know about you... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8076204)

In a study by the US Army's advertising agency, America's Army is the MOST COST-EFFECTIVE TOOL EVER for strategic communications. It outranks ALL advertising expenditures IN TOTAL in visibility and communication with America about the Army. The full cost, development and operations of the game, is less than the full cost of a single Superbowl commercial. The US Army believes it saves it some $700M to $4B PER YEAR in advertising, retention, and other costs. America's Army costs $2.5M per year in development and $1.5M per year in operations, a very spartan effort understanding the now measurable payback and spartan compared to the development and operation of other similar games. America's Army is the third most played online game almost continually as measured by GameSpy.

Winner of (5, Funny)

Lemental (719730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073564)

Penny Arcades Best Misappropriation of Tax Dollars Award.

It says it in the pamphlet.

Thats hilarious.

Re:Winner of (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073620)

Seriously?!
*reads*
Bahahahahahahaha!! OMG, its right there on pg 17! Hahahahahaha!
Damn, I can't believe they printed that!

Re:Winner of (3, Insightful)

Trillian_1138 (221423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073629)

I thought you were kidding, but it's actually in there. Page 17 (Note to Adobe: Why have a stupid "Search" function if it doesn't work?) on the right side during the list of awards the game has won.

Absolutely briliant.

Unlike some other posts on this page, I have no problem with AA and actually think it's quite fun. It's free, and it doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is (a recruiting method). So what's the problem?

-Trillian

Re:Winner of (3, Informative)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8073683)

Better link here [movesinstitute.org] . Plain text, and even links to the penny arcade showing it.

In America... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8073941)

...video games recruit YOU.

Sorry, just woke up in europe and the first thing I see at /. is this FUBAR american stuff...

I never really got into the game (1)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 10 years ago | (#8074005)

Having to remember tank designs in order to run covert ops training really got me thinking. I'd say this game oversteps the mark. Ok, the first aid training actually turned out to be handy (long story, involving blood) but identifying millitary vehicles?

Re:I never really got into the game (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077646)


makes sense to me. Covert ops has to know that stuff. Wouldn't be much of a challege if you just ran around and shot stuff, would it? Then'd it would just be a generic fps.

And come on, is it really that difficult?
now if you had to identify them by sound, that'd be a real challenge, heh.

I enjoy AA (2, Insightful)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 10 years ago | (#8074314)

I have no desire or plan to join the Army, but their game is quite fun. I just started playing yesterday (Always a late adopter), am up to 14 honor (Someone look me up- Tireos). I suck on most of the bigger maps, but get me on Swamp Assault, FLS Assault, or, wossname, the one where you protect the helicopter and I'm money.

AA not a recruiting tool, its just more realistic (2, Insightful)

Numeric (22250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8075069)

One of the more popular flame wars on the message boards is AA realism vs atypical FPS. From my viewpoint, its just a game. I haven't read any threads saying, "After playing AA, I decided to enlist." Gamers were just looking for another option besides Counter Strike and AA was the answer for some.

i really believe when HL2 and Doom3 is released, there will be a castrophoic drop off in AA players.

Re:AA not a recruiting tool, its just more realist (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077662)


that and some people want to knwo what army training is like and what you learn. Kinda like getting the training without the commitment, but not really, you know?

Realistic or not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8075091)

If training in this game isn't greatly toned down compared to the real thing, it probably explains the many failures of the american military (though I know you'd rather forget... Beirut, 1983, anyone?) That, and putting technology above men and "self preservation first" as pillars of the doctrine...
While it lasts, I don't think the US corps will get anywhere close to corps like the Foreign Legion in terms of efficiency on the field. No Kolwezi for you, guys.

Evil... (3, Interesting)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 10 years ago | (#8075123)

I work at a computer store in Cincinnati, OH.

Recently, we were approached by an army recruiter asking us if we had spare computers, network hardware, and space we would be willing to "donate" for free to him. He wanted to attract kids to the army by setting up a free network gaming environment.

While the game might be fun, this is quite frankly evil. The army recruiter was, in fact, under orders "from above" to find a place and acquire free equipment and time in order to use the game to attract otherwise uninterested people to the army.

My viewpoint is simple; if you want to join the military, join it. If you don't want to join, there's probably a reason for that. You don't want to die, you don't like being told to do things you don't agree with, you don't like being yelled at and fed crap... any number of reasons. Using a game to make it look glamorous is just another way of lying to kids in order to get them to join the military under false pretenses. This is nothing new; don't get me wrong. It's just slimy.

Re:Evil... (2, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8075470)

Anyone too stupid to do the research and find out what life is like in the Military before they join is stupid and the deserve what they get.

Re:Evil... (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 10 years ago | (#8075832)

I was going to say that, but I didn't wanna get modded down as a troll ;)

Re:Evil... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077624)


Anybody who joins without the right mindset and expects mom to do everything for them is gonna get a crash course in reality without the sugar coating. It was a lot for some people in basic.

Re:Evil... (2, Informative)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8077592)


I'm in the army, i don't know what you're talking about. All the BRM (basic rifle marksmanship) stuff in the game is _exactly_ how i learned to fire a rifle.

Breath control, trigger squeeze, steady aim, all that stuff.

The army is what you make of it. if you're shitbag, you'll be treated like one and you can't quit.

I've received somewhere near $250k in training for free. I love my job. I work on apache helicopters every day, what do you do?

Re:Evil... (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8093946)

True. However, I think he's more concerned about America's Army being a giant piece of propaganda.

I have nothing against with the Army, violent video games, etc. However, shameless propaganda is fairly tasteless.

Ohh and I'm a user interface designer. I get to use photoshop all day, I get to wear whatever I want to work, I get to drink beer at lunch, and I have lots of free time to snowboard and surf. I'm not complaining anytime soon :)

Re:Evil... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8095151)


Wow, that what i was gonna do before i left college for the army. I was going to do interdisciplinary Psychology + computer science concentrating on user interfaces and do research.

As for america's army, i don't see it as propaganda because a lot of the stuff is real and its not politically motivated. I think its the best attempt to remind people that the army is an option.

Maybe you can give me an example as i've not played it much past the very beginning where you qualify and stuff.

Re:Evil... (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8096921)

"Wow, that what i was gonna do before i left college for the army. I was going to do interdisciplinary Psychology + computer science concentrating on user interfaces and do research."

Nice :)
I did sociology and graphic design :). However, there are a bunch of combos one can pursue.

"As for america's army, i don't see it as propaganda because a lot of the stuff is real and its not politically motivated. I think its the best attempt to remind people that the army is an option."

True.
America's Army is basically an advertisement for our Army (hence the free download :) ). It reminds us that the Army exists, and it presents the Army in a fairly positive light. However, by definition, advertisements for political or military principles are labeled "propaganda." Sometimes these advertisements can be used for good (ie: The US in WW2), and sometimes they can be used for things that aren't so good (ie: Germany in WW2).

Right now the war is a fairly controversial topic. Half the nation is for it, and half the nation is against it. We got Saddam, but we didn't find any WMDs and Kay resigned.

Therefore some people are in support of the military ads, some are not, and a load of other folks are place in between. I'd consider myself in the latter category

All in all, if I had a computer store, I probably wouldn't demo AA for free. You guys in the Army do a lot of shit that I would never do, but it's a heated issue over hear in civilian land. The line between defense and aggression has been skewed for a lot of people. I'd rather leave Army recruitment to the recruitment center.

At the very least, If I were to demo AA, I'd also like to have a demo of UN Ambassador. However, I'm sure that game would suck ass and only appeal to geeks who like Star Wars Stratego and Risk. :)

Just my 2

Re:Evil... (1)

ritalin (4861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8098909)

I can respect your point of view, and its refreshing to see an opposing stance which isn't as extreme or condescending.

Man it'd be great to have a beer with lunch. MRE's don't come with beer, but they do come with orange beverage powder sometimes :)

In a time of such controversy, to me at least, it seems anything and everything you do becomes a statement. Ie., if you demoed AA before the conflict, it would just be a game but now its become more than that to a lot of people and I bet if you did demo it somebody would bitch about it, moreso than if you didn't.

Re:Evil... (2, Insightful)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 10 years ago | (#8079491)

If you don't want to join, there's probably a reason for that.

Yes. And a recruiter won't change your mind.

But "want to join the military" isn't a binary state. There are those who want to join the military (and either do, or don't due to circumstances beyond their control [asthma, etc]), and there are those who DON'T want to join the military (pacifits, folk who don't want to die, etc.)...

and then there are folk who just haven't given it serious thought, or who are sitting on the fence about it. This last group is a fair and valid target for recruiters.

Using a game to make it look glamorous is just another way of lying to kids in order to get them to join the military under false pretenses. This is nothing new; don't get me wrong. It's just slimy.

Have you played America's Army? The darn thing is about as far from "glamorous" as you can get. You learn how to use weapons, and you train to kill people with them. All in all, it seems like a fairly honest appraisal to me.
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