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Ask About the Iraqi LUG

Roblimo posted more than 10 years ago | from the Linux-everywhere-for-everyone dept.

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Yes, there is a Linux Users Group in Iraq. When it was first mentioned on Slashdot it only had two members. It's grown a little since then, as has The Iraqi Linux Group Portal. Adam Davidson, an American reporter in Baghdad who helped start the group, has agreed to answer your questions about Linux in Iraq. Please post only one question per comment. We'll email Adam 10 of the highest-moderated questions, and post his answers verbatim (except for HTML formatting) when he gets them back to us.

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d00t sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089196)

I was humping chinese long before you were.

Infidel.

POWER TO SADDAM!

POWER

BTW THIS IS MY 2ND FIRST POST OF THE DAY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089229)

.... luckily there are 6000 computers on campus and your subnet powers are INFERIOR!!!!!!!!

HOORAY

Tits!
Tits!
Tits!

TITS!

Re:BTW THIS IS MY 2ND FIRST POST OF THE DAY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089431)

I bet you are the mies jonka ymparilta tuolit viedaan.

Which distro? (4, Interesting)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089198)

Which distribution of Linux do most Iraqis use? RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware, or other?

MOD PARENT DOWN - BC90021@bc90021.net (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089268)

Parent still hasn't cleaned man-seed out of eye.

I have defeated your spam filter, BC90021@BC90021.NET

I have defeated your spam filter, BC90021@BC90021.NET

I have defeated your spam filter, BC90021@BC90021.NET

Pronunciation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089279)

How do they pronounce "Linux" in Iraq? Is it Linux? Or Lye-nucks?

Crap. That's two questions, isn't it?

Oh, shit. I'm screwed now, huh?

Dammit! I'm up to 5, aren't I?

Re:Which distro? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089321)

I hope they use Ninnle, the one true distro.

Re:Which distro? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089464)

'Which distribution of Linux do most Iraqis use? RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware, or other?'

Iraqware?

Liraq?

RedTowel?

Wow! (3, Interesting)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089206)

One has to ask, would this have been allowed under Saddam Hussain?

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089488)

Why the hell wouldn't it be?

Re:Wow! (4, Informative)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089629)

One has to ask, would this have been allowed under Saddam Hussain?

well, according to the linux users journal, it sounds like it was. the article is here [linuxjournal.com] - you could have found it easily by reading the article.

additionally, it should be noticed that saudi arabia - a country that has consistently been in the top three worst regimes as far as human rights violations are concerned - has a lug as well [linux.org.sa] .

Terrorism. (-1, Troll)

SirChris (676927) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089214)

Does Linux really support terrorism?

Re:Terrorism. (1)

willy134 (682318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089640)

Are you teaching Iraqis to make bombs with linux?

My question (-1, Troll)

Locky (608008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089215)

Are people that use Gentoo considered enemy combatants?

Re:My question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089466)

Of course not, they are terrorists.
Religious fundamentalists.
They must be... how else to explain how they dare to rebuild thier systems with a single command, putting their systems in the hand of others.
I know i wouldn't. I don't have that kind of faith.

The only worse than gentoo people are those of the covert LFS clan. I mean, talk about fundamentalist control freaks.

Age group? (5, Interesting)

Leffe (686621) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089222)

What is the age group(s) of Linux users in Iraq?

OK, I don't even know what it's in Sweden, but it would be interesting, right?

Computer density in Iraq (5, Interesting)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089223)

What is the density per capita of PC type computers in Iraq ? I mean how many people even own computers ? What is the average computer available for use in Iraq ?

Mullah density in Iraq (5, Interesting)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089323)

What is the attitude of the Clerics [nytimes.com] toward technology?

Any undertanding at all or just considered foreign and evil?

Are they gunna use.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089226)

windows?

Whats Iraq really like? (5, Interesting)

bluGill (862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089227)

We all know that the news only plays the parts that sell (normally the worst parts) of reality, which leaves everyone with a twisted idea of what it is like. So if I was born and raised in Iraq, what would my life really be like?

Re:Whats Iraq really like? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089280)

> So if I was born and raised in Iraq, what would my life really be like?

Hot country = hot heads. Low value of human (let alone other species) life. Add to that religious extremists, and Muslim ones at that, and I think we can safely say it sucks, and will continue to suck - hard - for some time.

Next question?

Re:Whats Iraq really like? (0, Offtopic)

bluGill (862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089502)

Maybe. I asked because I don't know that. I've heard claims that New York City as more murders per capita than Iraq, but I have no way of knowing. Does life suck, or is it just different? The dominate religion in Iraq wasn't in charge before, members of that religion might find it better just because the US allows religion freedom. (Though when the US leaves who knows if that will continue)

I want to know what it is really like, not what proaganda wants me to belive. I am unlikely to visit Iraq in my lifetime, and even if I do not for long enough to learn what it is really like. (Figgure 100+ countries and it takes several years to learn the culture of each, and I won't live long enough even if I didn't also have to earn a living)

A few more issues bigger than Linux (0, Offtopic)

4of12 (97621) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089362)


And, what's your guess as to what a representative, popularly-elected government in Iraq will look like?

In particular, will "tyranny of the majority" cause minority factions (eg, Kurds, Sunnis, non-Islamic religions, etc.) to become dissatisfied and resort to arms?

How's the free press? Broadly factual, rational, sensational, biased?

Encryption (5, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089238)

For years strict encryption rules were an issue for Iraq. Has the US now stopped it's encryption restrictions for Iraq or do you simply get your crypto from elsewhere?

Re:Encryption (1)

Leffe (686621) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089291)

NOTE: You are not allowed by American law to download this encryption module if you live in a terrorist country!

User: Damn it! I really wanted it, but now that I see that message, I just can't download it :(

(Yeah, I know that the one sharing it is committing the heinous crime...)

Re:Encryption (2, Interesting)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089425)

Actually, Sun Microsystems for example makes sure that your IP belongs to a well-known and trusted subnet before it allows you to download code that may infringe on export rules.
If they are not 100% sure of where your IP is geographically located, they will not allow you to download the code. It happens to me once on a T3 line in Belgium. I was running behind a bunch of proxies, which I guess somehow prevented Sun to know for sure that I was a trusted user in an Allied country. I had to use a slow dial up account with some Belgian ISP to finally be allowed to download the crypto code.

Re:Encryption (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089539)

Does this help? Iraq Sanctions [doc.gov]

Re:Encryption (0)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089482)

If one shared anthrax with you, you might think it's a heinous crime.

ONYXRUBY@COMCAST.NET - DO YOU GET YOUR ENCRYPTION (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089312)

... From you MOM???

Re:Encryption (1, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089347)

I once talked to an army Colonel who had built a suitecase sized computer for Sadam in the mid 80's. Just remember, before things went all crazy Sadam was our puppet.

How can people outside Iraq help? (5, Interesting)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089241)

How can we in the global community help the Iraqi LUG? Are there resources available for computer donation, etc.?

ALRIGHT, BC90021@BC90021.NET (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089341)

STOP ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS.

CAPITALIST PIG.

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The $1bn question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089246)

Do any of the participants in the inevitable KDE/Gnome flamewars have the capability to launch Weapons of Mass Destruction in under 45 minutes?

supporting terrorism (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089249)

We all know that Linux is DA BOMB!!! Given the use in Iraq of bombs to kill civilians, destroy infrastructure, maim babies, and kill service people and irregulars on all sides, how do Iraqi Linux users feel about supporting terrorism through their choice of OS?

Linux and "Netscape" lead the statistics... (2, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089250)

...right here [iraqilinux.org] . Netscape == Mozilla, and such, I bet.

Have to remember to check that page a day or two from now... there'll be a new "busiest hour", probably.

In the long run... (4, Interesting)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089258)

how do you think Iraq will merge very old and very new cultures in a beneficial way?

a better question (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089577)

Will Iraq will merge very old and very new cultures in a beneficial way? Being Johnny-on-the-spot, what's your take on Iraq's chances of having a real democracy, and not just a vehicle for some religious nutjob *cough*Sistani*cough* to take over?

What will the Iraqi government use? (5, Interesting)

rueger (210566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089260)

I'm presuming that any government computer infrastructure has been destroyed, and that they will be more or less starting from scratch.

Am I correct in assuming that Microsoft is in there big time locking down contracts to rebuild government computing sytems?

Re:What will the Iraqi government use? (3, Interesting)

BigBadBri (595126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089516)

I was going to ask the Microsoft question - I know that they have been reported as sponsoring meetings at which the rebuilding of Iraq is being discussed.

I also fear that given the past history of Chalabi and his ilk it is likely that under the table payments will be crucial in getting any contracts from the appointed provisional authority - Chalabi faces a twenty stretch if the Jordanians ever get their hands on him, following his looting of the Petra Bank. Obviously a fit person for the US to select to serve on the provisional authority, I don't think.

Problem is, with those awarding contracts expecting presents in their hot little Swiss bank accounts, Open Source solutions are likely to be way down the list, however much they may save.

It looks to me like the real looting is yet to start - all that oil money is too tempting for Microsoft, or any for-profit enterprise that can milk the country without having to actually risk its own staff, to ignore.

Ninnle - Allah's Approved Distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089261)

Only Ninnle Linux is approved for use by true followers of the five pillars of Islam. All others are unclean.

Iraqi geek girls (3, Funny)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089267)

Are there any female Linux users/Linux Users Group members in Iraq? If so, how many? How old are they?

Re:Iraqi geek girls (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089373)

There's an entire dating site [funkypages.com] devoted to single female Iraqi geeks.

Re:Iraqi geek girls (2, Interesting)

TheSync (5291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089443)

When I was chatting [thesync.com] with the Baghdad Internet Cafe [iraqbaghdad.net] , there was at least one woman present at the Cafe who was a "student in computer college."

Can we help you in some way? (4, Interesting)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089269)

Can we help you in some way? Old computers, networking equipment, webspace, etc?

Watch out for export controls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089416)

Be careful what you send. Make sure there are not still export controls. You could end up in jail.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089499)

Who fucking cares?

I didn't accept the crypto controls, I don't accept hardware controls.

This national security bullshit has gone way too far already and it looks like it's going to get worse as the moron-in-chief is most probably re-elected this year.

Civil war strategy game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089595)

I've been thinking about a turn-based strategy game dealing with civil war in a modern USA/EU.

Too bad such a game could never be published.

To all the people that think liberation is bad... (-1, Flamebait)

lateralus (582425) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089273)

please do not access the site, it would be hypocritical of you.

To all the people who think invasion is liberation (-1, Troll)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089392)

let's not sugarcoat the actual events. there's plenty of killing and general fux0ring.

a working government is better than "liberated" chaos

Re:To all the people who think invasion is liberat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089472)

Well at least your on topic!!

Do you think SCO can go after the group in a US court since Bush is currently the president of Iraq? Do you think they'll get rooted for oil??

Re:To all the people that think liberation is bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089396)

Well said.

This next part is to bypass the lameness filter.

Re:To all the people that think liberation is bad. (2, Insightful)

Globe199 (442245) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089415)

please do not access the site, it would be hypocritical of you.

I disagree. Thinking the liberation was wrong does not imply a disregard for the current state of affairs in Iraq.

Whether or not you supported the war, we must deal with the situation as it stands, and Iraq can use all the help it can get. I fully support a free software initiative in Iraq.

Globe199

Re:To all the people that think liberation is bad. (1)

ChilyMack (720195) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089617)

Most of us who didn't and don't support the war in Iraq have nothing against a people liberated, and would have in fact enjoyed giving Saddam a good, sharp kick in the bum. But why tell everyone you're spaying a dog so it won't bite your kids if you really want to do the dog a favor? Don't pretend that liberation was anything but a useful and fortunate side effect that the administration fell back on when forced to eat crow. So as to stay on topic: I would much rather have Linux proliferate in Iraq than hate and fear. FUD anywhere should be corrected and soundly walloped.

How can we help? (3, Interesting)

agentZ (210674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089274)

I would like to help the proliferation of Free software, as part of a larger effort to provide opportunities to connect, to the people of Iraq. How can we help? Would my old computer hardware help? How can I get it to you? What about my linux skills? I teach computer science/forensics at the university level and would be happy to offer training over the web.

Re:How can we help? (1)

basil montreal (714771) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089467)

About donations to Iraq, would they generate a tax break the same way a charity would? Alot of companies and schools will donate their old gear to charities but often it's because of the tax credit.

My question (-1, Flamebait)

jdifool (678774) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089275)

How about helping your people to have some food, instead of tinkering with computers ?

Regards,
jdif

Re:My question (1)

Dlugar (124619) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089550)

I think this is a ridiculous sort of question. The same could be said of Americans. "Why don't you help your people to have some food, instead of tinkering with computers?" In any country you pick, you're going to have those who are starving, and those who are affluent.

But if Mahmoud from Iraq is good at "tinkering with computers", chances are he's going to be able to work, and if he's working, then he is, one way or another, "helping his people to have some food". Simple economics.

Dlugar

Re:My question (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089651)

I'm sure they'll all start doing that right after you stop wasting time on slashdot and start getting the economy back on its feet and fighting crime in the big cities.

--SD

Domestic vs. Foreign Talent (5, Interesting)

Evil Schmoo (700378) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089281)

Is the recent growth in your user group due to an influx of homegrown Iraqi talent, or are there more foreign users (ie, contractors) coming incountry?

Can Linux find Weapons of Mass Destruction... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089294)

...and failing that, can you use it to further emphasize the blatant lies emanating about same seemingly each and every fucking day from this morally corrupt administration?

Re:Can Linux find Weapons of Mass Destruction... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089437)

emphasize the blatant lies emanating about same seemingly each and every fucking day from this morally corrupt administration?

I think you've confused yourself with the Democratic Primary. That is where all the moral corruption is coming from

Republican For Dean in 2004 !!!

oh right (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089561)

I think you've confused yourself with the Democratic Primary. That is where all the moral corruption is coming from

Care to back up this silly assertion?

Re:Can Linux find Weapons of Mass Destruction... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089562)

Republicans for Dean?

aaaaAAAAAGGGGHHHHHaaaaa!

Re:Can Linux find Weapons of Mass Destruction... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089594)

Why couldn't Bush put the $87 Billion price tag of his personal revenge mission on HIS credit card instead of on OURS ? Maybe then we could afford to catch Osama, for the PUBLIC's revenge mission.

War coverage (4, Interesting)

koh (124962) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089295)

I'm eager to ask, does he think that an increased presence of Linux in Iraqi homes during the last war would have had some impact in the way information was delivered to the outside world ?
Would it have improved the way the major news channels "translated" the events ?

What happens when you type "make (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089297)

weapons-mass-distruction "?

Does the US Army come bursting in?

Re:What happens when you type "make (3, Funny)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089531)

iraq# make weapons-mass-destruction
error: uranium.so is corrupt or could not be found
error: anthrax.so has corrupt header (possibly expired)
error: compiling anyways, program may fail to install properly

Dumbass troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089639)

Sometimes it's too bad that Slashdot doesn't have a dumbass tag like fark. Like now.

Thank Bush (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089314)

Thank Bush for this. Otherwise, Iraq would be involved in open mass grave, not open source.

The numbers. (4, Interesting)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089315)

Well, on question should go for the numbers: do a lot of people have computers in Iraq? Is linux well-known there? How is it welcomed compared to the competition? IIRC the internet was outlawed under Sadam, so is it becoming available rapidly?

Of course we all know the fastest way to get network is to get a bunch of linux-geeks together.. Is the next linux beer.. erm.. thee hike going to be in Bagdad?

Re:The numbers. (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089563)

many arabs partake of the Hookah [everything2.com] instead of alcohol.

mmmmm hookahs. not expensive, not illegal, looks damn cool, tastes damn good :)

Re:The numbers. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089645)

The internet wasn't outlawed, it was just heavily monitored. One of the Iraqi bloggers (I think Zeyad) wrote about it, but I can't find it now, unfortunately. If anybody else can find the reference I'd be much obliged.

Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089327)

Why did you start a Linux Users Group in Iraq when there are clearly more pressing issues in that part of the world?

Legislative issues (4, Interesting)

temojen (678985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089333)

Given Iraq's clean-slate status:

How can the international community promote the freedom to use information technology for fair and lawful purposes (ie no DRM, free use of strong cryptography)?

Re:Legislative issues (1)

taj (32429) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089404)


If I'm not mistaken the former head of the RIAA is 'helping' Iraq with its new constitution.

Infrastructure (5, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089345)

If one believes western media, Iraq is a nation under constant seige, in which the plumming and electricity is absent for large swaths of the nation, and order is just barely maintained by the massive presense of unwelcome US troops. Also, many in the west believed that Iraq under Saddam was a very backwards and un-developped place (apart from military development), and one was not likely to find many computers at all, let alone connected ones.

So, as somebody who's actually there and actually knows what life is like for a techno-geek in today's Iraq, perhaps you could give us a detailed account about current network infrastructure, how easy or difficult it is to buy computer parts, how much Iraqi people (and Iraqi computer geeks in particular) use Internet technologies to connect to one another (e-mail, blogs, instant messaging, the web, etc.), what cultural attitudes in Iraq concerning the Internet, the global community, and the West, etc.

Most people in the United States (which is where most of the readers of /. come from) know very little about day-to-day life in Iraq. A detailed account would probably be very educational and broadening.

Piracy? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089371)

What is the nature of new Windows deployments in Iraq? Are they now more likely to be legit copies or pirate copies? (this is NEW installations)

If pirated copies of Windows are still the norm, and hardware/power is so unreliable that uptimes are irrelevant, what remaining advantages does Linux have over Windows?

Wouldn't it be better to promote OpenOffice/Mozilla/open file formats, so that the switch to Linux is easier once the infrastructure is more solid, and once piracy is no longer rampant?

technical expertise? (1, Interesting)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089375)

I was curious as to what level of geekiness you've attained. Do you recompile the kernel? Hack the kernel? Use linux to learn system administration/unix concepts? User-mode? Or spare time hobby?

Mandrake?? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089381)


Are you allowed to use Mandrake, or
are you forced to boycott french products in the new Iraq??

You insensitive clod! (1)

coolmacdude (640605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089395)

Why did the submitter feel it necessary to post the link to the Iraq LUG on the Slashdot homepage? Now they are just going to get a bunch of GNAA trolls signing up to spam them.

State Of Intellectual Capital (5, Interesting)

RenegadeTempest (696396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089401)

After living under totalitarian rule, what is the state of the country's computing talent? What disciplines have the strongest computing talent?

spit or swallow? (-1, Flamebait)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089407)

vi or emacs? Flame on!

Re:spit or swallow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089583)

flame off!!!

How can we help? (4, Interesting)

PenguinRadio (69089) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089413)

What sort of help / donations are you seeking from the US and the West? Would some old manuals, parts, or anything else we might have laying around be of use to you guys and how would we send it to you (i.e. mailing address?)

Programming Experience in Iraq (5, Interesting)

ChilyMack (720195) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089426)

I'm not entirely educated about the average computer experience in the Middle East. I know that, comparatively, very few people have up-to-date computers with reliable internet access, but how much more uncommon is it for an Iraqi civilian to have experience in programming? In the previous regime, was coding mostly government-sponsored, or else discouraged or at least difficult to pick up? Everything grows slowly and somehow, I suppose. Good luck to you.

Halliburton... (3, Funny)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089497)

What does Halliburton chrage for a RedHat Linux 9 on CD? $10,000?

Re:Halliburton... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089634)

You owe me a keyboard! I laughed so friggen hard I spit coffee all over it ... dammit!

Free operating systems vs. Windows? (3, Interesting)

asobala (563713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089518)

I'm assuming that most Iraqis don't have a computer, and as such there is not a very large Windows marketshare.

Do you think the lower prices of linux will encourage widespread computer usage in Iraq? Do you think maybe people will use linux more than windows, since it's cheaper and can (maybe) get a foothold in the market faster?

Chance to return to old glory? (5, Interesting)

rossz (67331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089540)

Once upon a time the Middle East was the center of learning the world over. Scholars of all religions and nationalities flocked there to exchange ideas and learn. This tolerance made the Middle East rich both economically and culturally. Then fundamentalist religion reared its ugly head, stifling all types of learning except for the Koran. Is there any chance of overcoming the fundamentalist shackles of intolerance and return the Middle East to its former glory of knowlege and economic vibrants?

We cant allow that! (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089547)

Cant allow terrorists having open-source operating systems and development tools..

Iraq: The Internet and Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089548)

From the news reports I've read, Iraq currently has a single ISP and Internet Connectivity is extremely limited. Is this true, and if so, do you know if linux based systems are being used to rebuild the network infrastructure of Iraq?

Internet in Iraq (5, Interesting)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089556)

What are your feelings about the Internet in relation to freedom of the press and global democracy?

Does the Internet help opressed peoples in dictatorial regimes to see the rights and freedoms that their governments deny them, and to see around the official views that are put out through party propaganda machines? Is it our responsibility to help people in nations like China circumvent their government's censorship mechanisms (using systems like the ill-fated SafeWeb) and see what's really going on in the world, much as Voice of America and BBC World Service have been doing on the radio for so many years?

How many people have you spoken to in Iraq who used the Internet in some form under Hussein and what did they think of the content? Impressed? Disgusted? Did the Internet have any influence before or during the war, perhaps persuading people not to resist or fight for the regime?

What uses have you found the for Internet in post-dictatorship Iraq? Communications, fostering democratic thinking?

Does Linux (being free and hence requiring no capital investment) represent the ideal way to get people online in Iraq when money is tight and perhaps better used elsewhere?

IT jobs in Iraq (5, Interesting)

Koyaanisqatsi (581196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089567)

Out of curiosity, might as well ask someone who's in the field and there: what are the typical IT positions in Iraq? What skills are most sought after?

iLug (3, Funny)

Zordak (123132) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089572)

Has Apple yet announced any plans to pursue legal action against the clearly trademark-infringing "iLug" name? How can one make donations to your legal defense?

Weapons of Mass Destruction (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089598)

Will the use of Linux assist in finding the till-now-non-existant weapons of mass destruction previously in Iraq but now supposedly hiding in Syria?

What does Linux give Iraq that Windows does not? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8089603)

What features does Linux offer Iraq that Windows does not? Does it offer any special advantages besides the standard ones for open source? For example, are there better translations or special software used by people in Iraq?

Bush (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089609)

Do you like Bush?

(George W., I mean, get your head out of the gutter!)

Clusters of PS2s (0)

mr_gerbik (122036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089638)

Are there huge PS2 clusters running Linux from the Saddam era? I hear if you buy enough PS2s you can control missiles and whatnot.

Baghdad Internet Cafe (5, Informative)

TheSync (5291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089646)

I organized a chat [thesync.com] between the College Perk [collegeperk.org] coffeehouse near the University of Maryland and the Baghdad Internet Cafe [iraqbaghdad.net] . The Cafe has about 50 computers, and during the chat they had six people in the Cafe for an Internet training course.

They reported being able to buy cheap computers ("200 USD FOR P4"), but power was an issue - it goes down a lot - fortunately the Cafe has a generator.

I plan to do another chat with them in February.

It is important to keep in mind that during the mid-70's, Baghdad was practially a "European" city in terms of infrastructure, based on high oil prices and Saddam's desire to create a showplace for the glory of his regime. Things didn't really go downhill structurally there until the war with Iran, then Gulf War I, the sacntions, etc.

Also, a lot of businesses now depend on email for communications to and from Iraq, as the phone lines are often less than dependable.

The Baghadad Internet Cafe opened August 1. It is my feeling that it would not have been possible to have an open public Internet chat like the one we had before operation Iraqi Freedom without some kind of government political official there to monitor things. I'll have to ask next time.

Open Source (1)

robkore (251928) | more than 10 years ago | (#8089652)

Iraqi LUG!?!? Does this mean the "Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs" mentioned in the State of the Union Address will be Open Sourced?

He was talking about computer programs, right?
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