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Worst Cars Of All Time Rated

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the vroom-vroom-sputter dept.

United States 1017

prostoalex writes "Forbes magazine complains that people nowadays do not have a real understanding of how awful a car can truly be. Hence they compiled a list of the worst cars available in the US, or 'lemons' created after World War 2. In the former Eastern Bloc, there are plenty of other choices, including this Ukrainian jewel, as well as many Soviet cars did not make it to the Forbes article."

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Personal Experience: Fiero (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094008)

I saw the Pontiac Fiero at an autoshow and immediately fell in love with it. It appeared a sound design with potential. The bitter reality was it was well engineered, then passed through the hands of bean-counters who shopped around GM for cheap parts to build this car with, to keep it under $10K. Result, 2.5l 4cyl with a red-line of 4,500 RPM, spun out easily, parking brake froze on a regular basis (I often drove to work burning the brakes until they freed up) and shifted (4 spd) like a transmission designed by space devils [penny-arcade.com] . The last straw was a broken headbolt at 30,025 miles, 25 over warranty. The company response, not to be unexpected, i.e. our cars are only good for warranty mileage, after that they could completely collapse and we don't sweat it. With an engine that redlined at a mere 4,500 RPM, and had a shut off, too boot, a broken headbolt sounded like a defect. That they left it to me to pay for was the height of comtempt for the customer. Not for the product, but for the way the company failed to stand behind it, I could never trust them with my $$,$$$ again. Too bad, I still think the car wasn't really all that bad in concept and could have been saved by a company that didn't run away from their products.

I never did have to contend with the broken engine block or engine fires or "secret recalls"* which were common with these same cars, I dumped it 2 years after buying it.

* Secret recall: when the customer brings it in for any other service, sneakily check to see if it needs anything on this list fix and take care of it without ever letting them know you did it.

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094143)

You should have spun the mileage counter back about 1000, and try again :)

LADA Niva (3, Insightful)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094155)

I'm thinking about buying a Lada Niva. I've been in love with this car for a few years and now I have the chance, but I'm intrigued by the comment in the article mentioning them as bad cars. I have a few friends who have been owners of this car and, althought not the best car around, they seem to perform really well.

The new generation of Nivas comes with a motor that is 1700 cc, inyection motor (I really don't know the correct translation of this spec ...), 4x4, air conditioning and few gadgets.

Is this car really bad? or is it suffering from bad PR?

MIne :-) (5, Interesting)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094164)

I was working as a contractor, one of the permanent hires was new from college, thought he knew everything, took no advice and asked for none, but sure gave it out. I had a 1986 MR2; this was 1988. He came in one day bursting with ego and pride and told me he had bought a Fiero. I looked at him in amazement ... why did you buy that piece of shit? He was startled, said Isn't that what you have?

Idiot had bought the car strictly based on what he thought I had. No research, no test drive, nothing.

My MR2 now has 330,000 miles and runs like a champ, still shifts at redline like it couldn't be happier.

My first car was a used 84 fiero (1)

slash-tard (689130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094167)

Looked cool but only ran for half of the time I had it. It leaked oil like crazy and I could never get it fixed right.

The headlight motors also burned out constantly so I got to the point where I just left them up and didnt replace them.

I also had a few transmission problems including getting stuck in 3rd gear.

Oh yeah I had 10-12 different recalls on it ranging from the engine compartment fire shield, to another problem where the breaks might completely fail.

I hear by 88 (the last year of production) they had worked out most problems though and they still valued to be used as kit cars.

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (4, Funny)

telecaster (468063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094173)

How the hell can a Yugo be worse then a Pinto?
The Pinto actually blew up and killed people!

Yeah, the Yugo was bad. But I don't remember the damn thing blowing up. You have to run to blow up....

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094195)

GM is the Wal-Mart of automotive manufactures. They have been for a LONG time, at least since a little before your Fiero was built. They build cheap shit, with the possible exception of Cadillacs and Corvettes.

Their latest stinker is the Cadillac CTS. It's a real POS. All I can say is: expect recalls.

One of my good friends is a GM mechanic instructor. He trains the guys who are going to work on your cars, and he's great at it, and the students are excited about being mechanics.

Problem is, GM, in their infinite cheap-bastardosity treats them like shit. Warranty service does not pay well. Say that you've got a problem with your transmission, and maybe it takes 5 or 6 hours to fix it. The bean counters at GM seem to think that it'll take maybe 3 hours max to do it. As a mechanic, you work 6 hours, they'll pay you for 3. No negeotiation. What's worse is that it's compounded even further by GMs focus on manufacturing stuff cheaply. They don't design stuff to be easy to maintain. They don't design things so that it's easy for a mechanic to replace or repair. They'll sure as hell make it cheap and quick to put together, but the mechanics pay for it in the end.

The only way to make decent money as a GM mechanic is to work for a dealership, where non-warranty service like oil changes and collision repair make up for GMs jew-osity.

GM is being run by a real bunch of motherfuckers. No wonder they're having troubles.

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (1)

MalachiConstant (553800) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094218)

If it was the design of the car you liked, have you ever seen a Honda del Sol [tripod.com] ? I bought a low-mileage '95 del Sol a few years ago and I love it. It's a two-seater like the Fiero, but I've had 0 problems with it after 60,000 miles except for the roof squeeking occasionally and recently the fan speed dial on the A/C came loose. It's a great little car and the top comes off! [geocities.com] (It stores in the trunk.)

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094221)

I dumped it 2 years after buying it.

OGWGFIW-RT

And took up bicycling Right?

Re:Personal Experience: Fiero (2, Funny)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094233)

That's what reverse is for. 25 miles backwards, and viola! It's under warranty again!

Not that you should do this.

Hear one (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094011)

What happened to joementum ?
It disappeared in joenaury

results (4, Informative)

shystershep (643874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094013)

In preparation for the likely slashdotting, here are the current results of the poll. Notice the many non-U.S. built vehicles here (you'd think that at least the poster would RTFA, but apparently not).:

Which of these cars do you consider to be the worst?
1975-1980 AMC Pacer
177 votes (11%)
1970-1974 Chevrolet Vega
203 votes (12%)
1970-1972 Citroen SM
28 votes (2%)
1978-1988 Fiat Strada
24 votes (1%)
1983-1989 Ford Bronco II
36 votes (2%)
1957-1959 Ford Edsel
40 votes (2%)
1971-1980 Ford Pinto
233 votes (14%)
1978 Honda Accord hatchback
56 votes (3%)
1971 Mazda RX-2
9 votes (1%)
1979-1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88
30 votes (2%)
1984 Pontiac Fiero
62 votes (4%)
1956-1968 Renault Dauphine
75 votes (5%)
1957-1962 Sachsenring Trabant P50
90 votes (6%)
1981-1991 Yugo GV
567 votes (35%)

Re:results (1)

caino59 (313096) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094084)

yah, and not all of the cars are 'lemons' my definition, they just aren't very visually attracive....

i was hoping it was going to be like a list of models that had the most recalls or something..

The poll's options seriously lack, and is based on nothing other than opinion, no facts at all.

How did this make the news?

Re:results (2, Interesting)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094237)

Agreed. Noted automotive journal Forbes? I think not. I'd love to own half the cars on this list! I'd love to have a Citroen SM, a rare example of fine French engineering. The Fiero was marketed as a commuter car because Pontiac wasn't allowed by Chevy to market it as a sports car (at GM that honor goes exclusively to the Corvette). Half their bitching re: the Olds 88 was about the Cadilac V4-6-8, which was never offered on any Olds; the other half was about the Olds diesel, which was offered on more than just the Delta 88. In other words, Forbes doesn't know what they're talking about.

Re:results (1)

Mephiska (49638) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094110)

The post referred to cars available in the us, not necessarilly built in the US, which is what all the cars in their list are.

Re:results (1)

rolocroz (625853) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094113)

Karma whore. Forbes will never be slashdotted.

Re:results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094162)

This is a blatant karma whore. Mods, do Slashdot a favor and mod this thing down to -1, Karma Whore.

Re:results (1)

thparker (717240) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094224)

Too bad you didn't include the atrociously out of proportion graphic.

Ah, the Pinto. (5, Interesting)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094019)

Back when my father was alive, he was a doctor. Our policy in our family was to have two cars: one car that was elegant and classy for going to important meetings / etc, and one car that was completely "ghetto" for the purpose of appearing not-so-well off.

The logical choice for car #2 was The Pinto. It was a clunker. It had such a lack of style that it was actually stylish... well... in its own sort of way.

Why would someone want to masquarade as not being well off? Because it's usually not a good idea to driving through Compton in a Lincoln Continental. Even though at the time we were living in Minnesota, this applied but only to a lesser degree.

So tell me... Is a car jacker more likely to jack a pinto, or jack a Lincoln? Hmmm... Blending in is important sometimes.

So yes... the Pinto. One of the worst cars of all time, but still managed to serve its purpose.

Re:Ah, the Pinto. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094055)

In the past year, in central California, I have seen:

a running Pinto

a running Vega

a non-running Maverick, by the side of the highway

Inexplicably, some of these relics still manage to survive.

That's nothing... (2, Informative)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094136)

Inexplicably, some of these relics still manage to survive.

If you think that's amazing, check this out: the Pinto has its own domain name [fordpinto.com] and cult following.

Re:That's nothing... (1)

slash-tard (689130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094225)

I recently saw a bright yellow pinto with custom chrome rims, a scoop on the hood (for a turbo?), custom seats, and a shifter topped with a skull. I wish I had my camera with me.

So why would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094121)

...someone steal my red 1988 Firebird Formula 350 twice in five months four years ago after 1) I had replaced the driver door with a maroon one after getting t-boned in a parking lot within days of purchasing it (used), 2) it had unfixed dents on every side, 3) was peeling paint, 4) had it's front bumper cap sticking out about 8 inches after being in an an ice storm wreck, and 5) was parked next to shiny new cars? If any car defined ghetto, this was it. It was easily the worst looking car in my apartment's parking lot, yet the thieves were attracted to it like flies to shit.

Some Pinto humor... (0, Flamebait)

angmoh (692010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094194)

Yo mama's like a Ford Pinto, she blows after she gets banged in the rear. The FORD Pinto didn't sell very well in Brazil - Pinto is slang for "tiny male genitals". PINTO ACRONYMS: Paid Inspector Nicely To Overlook Put In New Transmission Often Put In Nickel To Operate HOW DO YOU DOUBLE THE VALUE OF A PINTO? Fill it with gas!

In Democratic USA... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094021)

In Democratic USA, Soviet Cars beat you!

Ahhhh... (2, Funny)

Demanche (587815) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094028)

They Are Making Fun Of my dream cars...... :

Re:Ahhhh... (2, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094206)

They Are Making Fun Of my dream cars......

Yeah, I know, for the secret agent in all of us, who can resist...

Trabant: The car that comes with it's own built-in smoke-screen generator!

Pinto: Able to vanish in a ball of fire at a moment's notice

Fiero: Able to spin 180 degrees for those surprise evasion manuevers

Bronco II: Able to roll over and play dead, fooling pursuers!

But who can ever forget the arcane Dodge Dart?

gotta love the edsel (2, Insightful)

caino59 (313096) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094032)

they never really had problems to really warrant labeling them as 'lemons'

They were just butt ugly.

there are definately other cars out there more fit to recieve "worst car ever"

What car does Darl drive? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094033)

A SCOda.

Worst? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094036)

The weiner-mobile.

It looks like processed beef, pork, and turkey all mixed together into a round thing.

STATUS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094040)

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Offtopic, but topical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094132)

The above is a snippet of a new virus first mentioned on [Snort-sigs] about 2 hours ago.

Already Slashdotted (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094041)

Hmm, the story has been posted for 2 minutes, and it's already slashdotted. Way to go Subscribers!

The Holden (5, Funny)

So Called Expert (670571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094045)

In New Zealand, there was a joke about the Holden that went something like this:

Q: What's the difference between a sheep and a Holden?
A: You wouldn't want to be seen getting out of a Holden.

Avoid if you are at work... (5, Informative)

flogger (524072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094051)

If you are at work, beware of porn ads on the link to the worst slav car. FYI.

Re:Avoid if you are at work... (1)

prostoalex (308614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094091)

Which one has the porn ads? (I submitted the story).

My apologies, though. I am using Mozilla Firebird, so if there are any popups or Flash animations, it probably got cut out.

Re:Avoid if you are at work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094102)



On the other hand, if you are at home, be sure to click on the links.

Re:Avoid if you are at work... (1)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094126)

What if I'm working from home?

I'm still driving my Homer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094052)

Sure, it cost a lot, but it was worth every penny. Just check out the picture [aboyd.com] .

Re:I'm still driving my Homer (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094177)

Let us not forget the The Canyonero [hangingon.org]

Ford F-150 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094054)

was recently shown to be a death trap if hit in a head on collision in a recent consumer testing agency video. The frame would buckle and cut the driver in two. This model year Ford quietly redesigned the vehicle.

Re:Ford F-150 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094099)

My F150 kicks ass! I've pimped it out nicely, with 22" wheels and a kick ass 5000 watt stereo. Who the fuck cares if some liberal dipshit "consumer" agency doesn't like it, I get more pussy than any liberal alive. Ford ROCKS YOUR WORLD BABY!

Missing Factor (1)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094057)

Did they consider the factor of ugliness? I mean, reliability comes first of course, but aesthetics do play a part. For that matter, does anyone know what the hell is up with the "shoebox on wheels" trend? (honda element, et al.)

Shoebox Factor (2, Interesting)

No Such Agency (136681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094199)

They're intentionally built ugly. Echo, Element, the new VW van, you name it, they're made to appeal to people who want a "quirky" vehicle that will "stand out". These people don't want a generic Bronco-shaped SUV or cab-forward sedan that they can't find in a parking lot. Of course, like many trendy "quirky" things (eg Lisa Loeb's glasses, trucker hats), most other people hate them.

What about the K car? (2, Funny)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094065)

What about the K car? Currently Red Green's car of choice for "case mods".

Re:What about the K car? (1)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094122)

That would appear to be more of a cliche joke car in Canada, where Red Green is filmed.

Re:What about the K car? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094226)

The K car was a joke everywhere.

Re:What about the K car? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094207)

Maybe the K-Car itself, but the offshoot/hybrid vehicles like the Daytona rocked. The '92 IROC/RT was an excellent platform for upgrades. Pathetic how they axed them...they would've sold very well when 'Fast and the Furious' came out. (sigh)

Imports to the list (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094067)

Too bad it's only the american cars.. Peugot was a *gem*. I also had a few imports which weren't worth anything, and nearly died several times in my trooper II. As of now, I pretty much buy only american, because they have such a bad rep, they *have* to do better :) (however, the UAW is what I have always seen as the culprit behind why us cars aren't seen as the greatest. They can't lose their job, so why should they care)

Plus, I'm too tall for anything anymore.

Soviet cars rock. (2, Funny)

nate1138 (325593) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094074)

What about the Trabant? With a plastic body, approx 30Hp in a noisy, dirty 2 stroke engine, what's not to love?

Re:Soviet cars rock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094144)

How about the one that could take off the driver's head? I need to ask my fiancee....think it was called a Volga but I'm just not sure. Anyway, it was poorly designed to say the least.

It was something like (yeah I know, I can't remember the story verbatim; sorry) the shock would travel through the car right to the poorly designed seat. They realized a problem existed with the car when so many people were found decapitated.

Re:Soviet cars rock. (1)

nate1138 (325593) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094188)

Whoops, it's in there, I just didn't go deep enough into the slide show.

Re:Soviet cars rock. (2, Informative)

szo (7842) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094215)

How's trabant a soviet? It was made in the DDR. All the other details are right, it rox! :)

Szo

"as well as?" (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094078)

" this Ukrainian jewel, as well as many Soviet cars did not make it to the Forbes article."

Those wouldn't be exclusive lists...you could have saved the improper usage of "as well as" by the subsequent use of the word "other," but...you didn't. You are aware that the Ukraine was a Soviet republic, right?

This, and the fact that there were non-US cars on the list. Did the submitter bother to read the article?

in soviet russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094079)

"...as well as many Soviet cars did not make it to the Forbes article." ..car rates YOU!

Soviet Cars (2, Interesting)

Via_Patrino (702161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094082)

Soviet Cars were like trucks in shape of a sedan, they were made to work several years without failure, what makes than awful to drive.

Re:Soviet Cars (2, Insightful)

Via_Patrino (702161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094131)

I forgot to mention, one of the reasons that soviet cars didn't evolve is that they didn't suffer the oil crisis on the 70's, because they had all the oil they need and weren't in the market, so they didn't need to care about efficiency

Forgot One (5, Funny)

CavyDriver (702395) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094085)

Pontiac Aztek!

That car is so bad, it must have been hit twice with the ugly stick.

No, the whole damn FOREST was used!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094172)

nm

OT: Worst Magazine article of all time (0, Offtopic)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094087)

I think the lousy Magazine Forbes should STFU.

I nominate this SCO article [forbes.com] in Forbes as a contender for worst ever

Last 2-3 decades (4, Interesting)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094088)

You mean all the cars of the last 2-3 decades aren't the "worst" autos of all time? I mean hell they don't last more than 8-12 years or so anymore if that. A nice 1974 Chevy 3/4-ton pickup if kept clean (to mitigate fender rot) will outlast any new GM truck hands down. The old adage "they don't make them like they used to" is sure as hell true in my book.

Re:Last 2-3 decades (1)

Rascasse (719300) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094234)

How have our driving and usage habits changed in the past 2-3 decades though? Speaking as a North American, I think I can safely generalize that mileage per capita is higher in the past 2-3 decades. It's getting ridiculous - in suburbia people don't even walk to the park anymore. Moreover, car maintenance knowledge per capita is lower than the past 2-3 decades. Lots of people don't do basic maintenance like oil changes because they simply don't know you have to, nor were they willing to read the car manual's recommended maintenance schedule. If everyone took care of their cars and drove them less, perhaps they'd still be able to last more than 8-12 years. I'd be interested in knowing if my speculation plays out empirically.

Doh (4, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094089)

Figures. I have 3 from that list sitting in my front yard. At least I don't have to mow the grass, just move the cars around once a month.

A slow news day at Forbes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094092)

This just in: The Pinto was a piece of shit!

Thanks, Forbes.

If you like cars... (3)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094094)

If you like cars, Check out http://cartalk.com/

Cartalk is a *hilarious* and very informational do-it-yourself car-show that broadcasts on some NPR member stations.

Click and Clack are great.

They have all of their past show-recordings in WMA or REAL formats - okay, so that kinda sucks, but otherwise, it's a great show.

Re:If you like cars... (0, Offtopic)

jrockway (229604) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094183)

Right. Only WMA now. And it doesn't work, due to either mplayer not liking the codec OR the fact that I'm behind a firewall. All I know is that it doesn't work at school, so I can't hear it. Damn damn damn... I have to get up at 9AM on Saturday now!?

BTW, why couldn't they use ogg. The ditched real and switched to WMA, so I wonder why they can't ditch WMA and use ogg. ogg works on every platform known to man :)

Ford Focus (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094097)

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the 2000 Ford Focus. With its constant recalls and general ass-like appearance, I'd be surprised if those cars have any resale value. Just when you think Ford couldn't screw anything up any worse...

Re:Ford Focus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094178)

My girlfriend, her friend, my mom and a coworker of her's have all had their Fords catch on fire. Check it out [flamingfords.info] . Have you had a Ford burst into flames lately?

Cars... (3, Informative)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094098)

I know a couple that lives in the neighborhood that drives a Yugo. They have had the car for 15 years, and it must have over 300,000 miles on it and it still runs. I think there should be a distinction between cars that look bad but runs good, and cars that are lemons. Just because a car looks like a box with wheels does not mean it is a bad car.

I know many people that could care less how good a car looks as long as it gets them where they want to go. Sometimes these cheaper cars are a great value considering how little gas they use.

Ford Escort? (4, Funny)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094105)

Where is the Ford Escort? I have personly been in 2 that had the engine catch fire, and have known of two others that caught fire. Meanwhile, the Edsel, quite possibly the ugliest car Ford ever made was a fairly decent car for it's time. As for Pontiac Fiero, I owned one once and had it catch fire while it was parked and being washed in a stall. I had to rewire the /entire/ car. On the other hand it had the best handling of any car I have ever driven.

Re:Ford Escort? (1)

dandelion_wine (625330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094179)

Bingo. Consumer reports regularly rate the Escort as a nightmare on wheels.

As for the Fiero, I love the look; it's just too bad there isn't anything else good I can say about it.

Re:Ford Escort? (1)

urmensch (314385) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094197)

Where is the Ford Escort?

In my driveway with 140,000 miles on it. ;P

Re:Ford Escort? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094212)

Holy shit. My girlfriend, my girlfriend's friend and my mom have all had Fords catch on fire. Have a look at flamingfords.info for more info.

I knew it! (1)

MissMarvel (723385) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094107)

I was certain my first new car would be on this list. Sure enough... tied for first, the 1971 Chevrolet Vega.

It took only 8 months to burn a valve. I immediately dumped it and bought a used 67' Plymouth Fury III. Now THAT was a great car!

What about Brazilian cars? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094115)

From my childhood in the 1960's I have fond memories of the Simca Chambord, the Aero Willys, and the DKW-Vemag. These were all designs bought from foreign companies, years after they were obsolete in their respective countries of origin.


But I guess the land of the lemons has to be the former "German Democratic Republic", with the Wartburg and the Mother Of All Lemons, the Trabant.

Aren't all American cars in this category? (4, Insightful)

Lurks (526137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094118)

Hmm, well as a European - I pretty much consider all American cars as being pretty amusingly bad. That's not trying ot be insulting or whatever, it's obviously just a cultural thing.

Those big cars, big engines, sloppy suspension and those looks, oh my word. Hmm, I must catch myself because I do like plenty of yank sports cars. And obviously the Ford GT36 is probably the finest muscle car in the world.

But SUVs, Hummers and those station wagons with wood panels on the side? Oh God, make it stop.

I wish they'd stop trying to bring Cryslers over to Europe too, it's just embarrassing when they sell 3.

Oh come on, the AMC Pacer wasn't *THAT* bad (1)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094119)

Look, Wayne and Garth still drive around in one, but I don't recall the Red Vines dispenser as being factory equipment. Hrm.

I still see a few AMC Eagles around here - the jacked up 4x4 station wagon model.

Some of these older cars are still running and quite well at that. It's just a pain to find parts that don't come from Pick N' Pull...

*pft* (1)

danalien (545655) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094124)

There is a hungarain, I think, at least I know it is/was popular there, car called the "Trabant' (it's spelled something lke that..)

not that' a car of 'worst case/design' I've ever ridden in.

... But I have to admit, I kinda fell for it since, just becase it's so crapy, sounds so *freaki'nly* loud, don't know what 'catalyst' means, what's suspention? a 40 year old rusty springy? *naah* if it has suspensions, it's 'the luxory' model ;-)... etc - basically, it's the right car for teaching engineer 'how not to build a car'.... but I like/love it :)

/* can't wait till I can buy one, and start having some fun driving around it that crap heap =) - that's assuming, I'll ever bother getting a drivers license... */

Soviet cars (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094128)

Since the list was supposed to include US-built cars only, this Ukrainian jewel, as well as many Soviet cars did not make it to the Forbes article."
And not all of them deserve to be on that list. Sure, most Soviet-era cars look like crap, but they got the job done. Many of them were cheap to buy and run, easy to repair yourself, and would start in the coldest of winter. No need to take the car back to the shop if something breaks, just take a long some duct tape, a few paper clips, some rubber bands and a bottle of vodka, and you're all set for that long journey! (The bottle of vodka is to barter with other motorists for gas or parts)

I've had some limited experience with Soviet cars in their natural habitat. I'd like to nominate one of these cars for the 'worst car ever'. The older models of the Lada Niva. Not a bad car in itself, but as an 'all terrain' vehicle it was a complete joke.

Bad design or manufacturing problems? (1)

MrRTFM (740877) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094140)

The Australian Holden Camira (198'ish) has the reputation of being extremely crappy and always breaking down, so they are very cheap to buy (2nd hand of course)

They aren't a bad looking car, and the (few) people who love them say that if you get one from the right 'batch' they are extremely reliable.

It makes me wonder how many of the lemon cars are caused by design faults or just had a lot of manufacturing problems.

Ah, the Simpsons: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094141)

Dealer:"It can get 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene"
*starts pushing car*
Dealer: "Put it in H!".

Pointless articles? (1, Offtopic)

ektor (113899) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094142)


This article attests to the (lack of) quality of publications like Forbes, Money, Fortune, etc. Sensationalist articles that are both poorly written and researched.

For more good writing that is often amazingly entertaining articles I suggest The Economist [economist.com] .

Put it in "H" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094146)

She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.

Obligitory Simpsons reference.

Non-US cars included (1)

kungfuBreaks (537144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094150)

Um, this is most definitely not a list of US-built lemons. Fiat, Renault and Citroen all make an appearance, as does Mazda.

Re:Non-US cars included (1)

M-G (44998) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094228)

I think the submitter got confused by the two links at the bottom of the first page...the American article is under the 'More From Forbes' heading..

Zaporojetz (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094153)

Soap box [startua.com] (Milnitsa, ) was a very popular car in the Ukraine, as well as in the rest of the former USSR. Same goes for the rest of the former soviet cars. Of-course the popularity was mostly due to the fact that this car was very cheap and much more accessible than other cars, especially by foreign manufacturers (foreign to the soviet population.) So the soviet cars definetly do not belong on the 'lemon' list, simply because they in fact were really popular among the soviet population.

I am originally from the city where this car was manufactured, the most polluted city in Ukraine, btw.

Re:Zaporojetz (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094189)

The real Soap Box [startua.com] - sorry, I gave a wrong link in my previous post. Both of these cars are by the same manufacturer, only this one is about a decade earlier series.

Re:Zaporojetz (1)

svu (67887) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094196)

It takes an exUSSR citizen to understand that in USSR car was more than a car. To get the idea that Lada was a super-car for its money etc. etc.

meh (1)

Edzor (744072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094158)

most amercian cars are rubbish, with a few notable exceptions.

Russian: LADA (4, Funny)

Phil John (576633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094165)

...I remember my dad got one for my mum when her 15 year old fiat finally gave out, he thought it would be a good deal, (i.e. it was cheap).

Well, they got it home and found out one of the tires had a slow puncture...so before we could go out in it for a test drive, that had to be fixed. And that was just the start of it.

Over the next 7 years that car had so much money spent on it just to keep it going through Control Technique (the belgian M.O.T.) that the decision was finally made to get my mum a new car. So my parents went to the V.W. garage and she decided to get a polo, at which point they found out that if they took the LADA to the scrapyard they would give them more money for the car than the V.W. dealership would give as a part-ex. Yes, it was worth more as scrap! :o)

Reminds me of all the old lada jokes we used to gall my dad with,

Q)Why do LADA's have heated rear-windscreens?
A)To keep your hands warm whilst you are pushing it.

I also remember the first aid kit that came with the thing had phials of Ether in it...good thing my mom never crashed!

OTOH, that polo has been going for well over 10 years and shows no sign of dieing yet.

Ah, happy days! :o)

How about (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094170)

The Sinclair C5, OK not exactly a car but a complete disaster nonetheless, or some of the older Skodas? They produced many jokes at the time.

Why do Skodas have heated rear windows? To keep your hands warm while you push it.

What do you call a Skoda with a twin exhaust? A wheelbarrow.

What do you call a Skoda with a sun roof? A skip.

Crazy Vaclav's! (1)

JonMartin (123209) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094175)

Crazy Vaclav: She'll go three hundred hectares on a single tank of kerosene!
Homer: What country is this car from?
Crazy Vaclav: Ah, it no longer exists, but take her for a test drive and you'll agree -- zagreber dimslotik diev! .... Put it in 'H'!

Worst Car Name of All-Time (1)

kickabear (173514) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094182)

I have to give my vote for worst car name of all-time to the Fiat.

"It's a car because we say it's a car."

I agree.... (4, Interesting)

Selecter (677480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094187)

.. with the Yugo being the worst car of all time, at least of the cars made or imported into the US. Some of the East German plastic body cars would probably be worse.

I drove a Yugo as a delivery guy out of high school for an auto parts place. The owner had bought a fleet of them becuase they were so cheap. Within 3 months every single one had a major failure ( engine blew, tranny seized ) and he junked the entire lot and bought Ford Escorts.

Leyland P76 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8094204)

Doesn't anybody love/hate the Leyland P76 anymore? The most reviled car in Australian history?

Brings Back Memories (1)

Rary (566291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094208)

I vaguely recall my mom's yellow Vega. I was pretty young when she had that thing, but I have some memories of it.

The sight of that Pinto really brought back memories for me. My first car was a Bobcat, which was Mercury's equivalent of the Pinto. It was a glorious green. Fortunately, the Bobcat didn't have the exploding gas tank flaw that the Pinto had, but it didn't stop everyone I knew from making jokes about it everytime I gave them a ride anywhere.

Ahh, and that Fiero. In high school, I thought the Fiero was the coolest car in the world. A friend's sister bought one. I was soooo jealous. I think she sold it within a year.

Blind rhetoric... (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094220)

Honda's first-generation Accord came out in the days when Detroit was producing real stinkers like General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) Chevy Vega
and Ford Motor's (nyse: F - news - people ) Pinto.

I've owned two pintos, and they were both GREAT cars. I would take them over a modern car any-day...

They don't have engines that you can't possibly fix yourself. They don't have plastic bumpers that ensure a 5MPH crash will completely disable your $20,000 car. They don't have high-tech sensors that tell you your car needs servicing, when it's in perfect shape.

I've had old cars, and I still don't know why so many are heralding newer cars. In fact, I don't know why people aren't rioting in the streets to stop cars from becomming more and more like electronic appliances.

Jokes from car land... (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094227)

FIAT = Fix it again Tony.

Q:Why didn't the British ever make televisions?
A:Couldn't figure out a way to make em leak oil.

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these. (1)

ardor (673957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8094232)

Whoa, what an ugly Transformer would that become!
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