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450 comments

Rob (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100500)

Slashdot's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

Dear Rob, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler
once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
so when I feel like rmusering I read Slashdot to begin the rage
cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of slashdot across the chest
Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans,
this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost BGP bridged now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this packet out?

Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your box is running now, how'd you like your gcc?
Look, I'm really flattered you would install 7.0 Redhat
and here's an autograph for your senior sys admin
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to DDoS lamers too?
I say that shit just clownin dog,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
so heres some more Linux stories to keep your ass busy when you get down some
And what's this shit about us meant to be together?
I sold Slashdot for thousands so now I'm a single jetsetter
I really think you and your boxes need each other
or maybe you just need to treat them better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan why are you so mad?
Try to understand, that Linux and MS is just grand
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and switched his router for a bridge
and his packets were blackholed, and his DNS couldn't get digged
and in the colo they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!

Re:Rob (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100720)

MOD PARENT UP!!
MOD PARENT UP!!

Brilliance. Sheer fucking brilliance. I'd fuck a southbound duck in the pooter for a few mod points to throw your way, my friend.

MOD HIM UP, YOU ASSHATS!!

make them pay!!! (-1, Troll)

datm (547885) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100502)

probably not the first post...:(

Huh? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100508)

Hohoho!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100516)

fp nizzaz

I'd infringe with this post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100518)

But then, it wouldn't be the first one. Booyeah, fuckers!

FYI (5, Informative)

Omega1045 (584264) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100519)

That is about $22,000. I would want my money back, too.

Re:FYI (4, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100580)

That is about $22,000. I would want my money back, too

Is that really all it cost him to defend himself or is that just all he's asking for in return? Did he manage to get some lawyers to take the case pro-bono (or partially pro-bono) to get the publicity or are lawyers just cheaper in Norway?

$22,000 is a nice chunk of change but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what this probably would have cost him in the United States....

Anyone have any more info on this?

Re:FYI (4, Informative)

dabadab (126782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100683)

As this was a criminal case, he got a free defender from the Norvegian state.

Re:FYI (2, Interesting)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100818)

As this was a criminal case, he got a free defender from the Norvegian state.

Are the free lawyers actually any good in Norway? Speaking as someone with experience in being charged with a crime I didn't commit, I had the choice of going with the public defender (who, to quote from a movie whose name I can't remember, "Will personally escort you to the electric chair") or coughing up the $150/hr to get a real lawyer I coughed up the money.

Eight months and $12,000 later I was cleared of the charges. I'm out that $12,000 but at least I don't have a criminal record (or worse -- living in a 8x10 cell). Our public defenders are overworked, underpaid, underappreciated people whose primary job consists of taking DWI cases. I wouldn't trust them for anything more serious then that -- and this is in a fairly progressive state (New York). I'd really love to live in Texas where the PDs have a nice habit of showing up drunk and passing out in the middle of your capital murder case.

Re:FYI (1)

Joey7F (307495) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100690)

NOTHING, absolutely nothing, is cheaper in Norway :-P

--Joey

Re:FYI (2, Informative)

m0rphin3 (461197) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100713)

Lawyers are much cheaper in Norway.

Plus he got one appointed by the state, so they're footing the bill. You don't have to pay for your own defence.

If it had been a "private" (IANAL) lawsuit, like his neighbor suing him for playing loud music or whatever, he's just a kid with a minimal income so Norwegian law would grant him a free defence.
Not 'pro bono', the state would pay for his lawyer, so even poor people can get high-profile attorneys.

What he's asking for is just some compensation for lost income, the hours wasted in court,etc.

Why he would only ask for $22k... (2, Interesting)

jamonterrell (517500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100719)

My theory is that he simply wants the money and wants it now. I'd much rather ask for $22k and have the other company settle immediately than the alternative. If he asks for $150 the court will say it didn't really cost him that much and lower the amount to $75k. Subtract the $50K of lawyer fees it would take him to SUE THEM for the money and he's left with $25k. It's in everyone's interest to ask for a more reasonable amount and just settle out of court.

Jamon

Here's his compensation (-1)

Proctal Relapse (467579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100521)

Jon's compensation is not getting raped in prison.

Sounds good to me. To him too, I bet.

You think child molesters have it tough in the joint, just watch what they do to software pirates. Yow!

Question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100622)

You seem to be "in-the-know" regarding prision rape. If I run someone I hate over with my car and kill them, and are subsequently convicted and sentenced, can I expect to become someone's bitch, or be feared as a psychopath? What if I shoot them in the fact in a cold-blooded rage instead? I'm a white male if it makes a difference.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100750)

don't worry -- murderers are at the top of the heap. this doesn't mean you're safe; it just means that guys won't be especially hard on you just because of what you did.

if i were you, as soon as i got to prison i'd find a rapist or molester and make him your bitch immediately. a tip: break his teeth on the toilet bowl rim if he gives you any trouble.

--proc

Compensation (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100523)

Compensation? Give him a bunch of DVD's...

Compensation for What? (-1, Flamebait)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100790)

So really, what everyone here is saying, is that it's OK to crack proprietary code ("code must be free"), steal copyrighted works ("music must be free") and get away with it. Aperently most of you still live at home (like DVD Jon) and don't directly have to pay bills, except for maybe your stash and some Dew now and then.

Damn straight. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100525)

What a miserable waste of his time and money - this kid deserves compensation for the crap he went through.

He deserves it (2, Interesting)

Albertosaurus (696135) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100528)

They wasted enough of his time and money.

only 17,500? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100531)

If he was american he'd definitely want 17 million.

Re:only 17,500? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100572)

If he was Islamic, he'd strap a bomb to his chest and blow them up.

Re:only 17,500? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100657)

If he was a nigger, he'd want it in diapers and food stamps. BLING BLING BIATCH!

Re:only 17,500? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100667)

If he were a Slashdotter, he'd whine about it endlessly while doing nothing.

Microsoft (5, Funny)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100532)

Maybe they'll follow Seattle's example [theregister.co.uk] and pay him off with a free DVD and a masterclass on DVD authoring.

I hope the okokrim sues the MPAA for getting them into his mess in the first place...

Re:Microsoft (2, Interesting)

schatten (163083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100574)

If Jon wins this case, then that will give him the upper hand on getting more money from the MPAA at a later date. Going for small chunks of change, the ~$22K USD, in this case, would provide him with a stronger legal ground.

Good luck Jon, you deserve the dollars for your wasted time!

niggers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100534)

I like to bomb niggers. It's so satisfying bombing them out of their nigger mud-huts, while they run around, squealing and jabbering away in their curious nigger language. It's great fun. Anyone got any niggers they need bombed?

Re:niggers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100590)

Philadelphia is FULL of them. Go nuts.

Re:niggers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100596)

There's this skinny canadian nigger that is begging to be bombed.....

w00t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100539)

w00t, anonymous cowards strikes again!

first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100544)

yahoo!

further more... (4, Funny)

nubbie (454788) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100547)

... DVD-Jon also requests a copy of LORD:ROTH special edition DVD! ;)

Re:further more... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100723)

When was Tim Roth given a peerage?

$22,085 USD (-1, Redundant)

spoonyfork (23307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100550)

FYI, 17,500 euros is about $22,085 US dollars.

Re:$22,085 USD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100618)

For those who don't know how to read, of course. Or was the article too imprecise by saying around 20,000 USD?

Re:$22,085 USD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100799)

Yes it was needlessly imprecise - its not liked they saved any space by not listing more than 10% of the value.

I think its a subconscious thing - it must hurt americans to remember the euro is a much stronger currency than the dollar. It started at about the same as the dollar but the weak dollar has made it look very good indeed.

Give it a shot.. (4, Interesting)

dave1212 (652688) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100553)

Fair enough, the bills are quite expensive, does he get a piece of the DeCSS shirts on ThinkGeek? (only half joking)

If nothing else, he might raise more public interest and get donations that way.

You win, don't pay (5, Insightful)

swoebser (148435) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100556)

I think it's common sense that if you're a defendant and found not guilty that you shouldn't have to pay. Frankly, I'm surprised something like this doesn't exist already. Perhaps if the plaintiff had to pay ALL court costs if he/she lost there would be fewer nonsensical lawsuits.

IANAL, that's just my two cents.

Re:You win, don't pay (5, Insightful)

|<amikaze (155975) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100635)

It would also prevent the little guy from going up against a large corporation. When a large corporation has 20 lawyers working on a case, they can claim exhorbant amounts of money wasted on the court case, and make the guy who has been wronged pay for the whole thing.

Re:You win, don't pay (2, Insightful)

swoebser (148435) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100733)

I don't think it would completely prevent your average joe from suing a large corporation. Remeber, you'd only have to pay if you didn't win the case. You would, however, have to be 100% sure you'd win or you'd be hosed. I'm guessing there aren't a lot of people out there who would be willing to take that kind of risk agaist a gaggle of high power lawers.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100803)

You are assuming that if you are right you will win. You are clearly an optomist.

Both my parents are lawyers so this is not opinion.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

swoebser (148435) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100852)

I never mentioned being right in my reply, only that you'd have to be certain that you'd win. Given all the loopholes and sheer number of laws that a good team of lawyers could uncover, I'm guessing that a "for sure win" is about 1 in 1,000,000.

Welcome back K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100736)

n/t

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100636)

And if you are found guilty after pleading innocent you should pay the government for the trouble? There were criminal charges against Jon, think a bit harder about it. However in his case the impetus for the lawsuit came from corperate America, he has a right to be pissed.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100637)


There would also be a lot fewer people suing corporations and governments. Could YOU afford to pay the legal bills Microsoft will incur after you sue them?

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

MaxPower2263 (529424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100653)

This is representative of how the "little people" get screwed. If you look in any number of contracts for apartments, insurance, etc., it specifically states that you are responsible for their legal bills if they have to take you to court. But if you WIN such a case, you still have to pay your own legal bills!

Lawyers don't help anything either, saying that "If you don't win, you don't pay". This contradicts logic and encourages people to sue for anything!

I completely agree that is the plaintiff had to pay for a lost case, frivolous lawsuits in all aspects of society might be reduced tremendously.

Re:You win, don't pay (4, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100654)

I think it's common sense that if you're a defendant and found not guilty that you shouldn't have to pay. Frankly, I'm surprised something like this doesn't exist already. Perhaps if the plaintiff had to pay ALL court costs if he/she lost there would be fewer nonsensical lawsuits.

That's a good idea until you think about the poor retired woman living on a fixed income who got screwed over by a large corporation (insert favorite evil corp here: Microsoft or SCO anyone?) and wants to get some justice. If she loses (and don't say you always win in Court if you are right -- most of the time it comes down to who has a better lawyer) she'd wind up getting stuck with the fees to pay for (insert evil corp here)'s legal dream team, would could be anywhere from tens of thousands to millions of dollars, depending on the dream team and the case.

It might be an idea for criminal cases -- having the Government pay you if you are cleared of the charges, but then, do we really want our tax dollars going to pay the millions of dollars of legal fees racked up by the likes of OJ Simpson just because he was found not-guility?

Re:You win, don't pay (2, Interesting)

thayner (130464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100787)

Makes sense again if you say that the most you have to pay if you lose is the amount you spent on your own lawyers (and using what your lawyer would have charged for an hourly rate if you were paying on contingency). So the poor retired woman who was only able to spend five thousand on her case would only need to cough up another 5k even if the opposing lawyers cost a half million.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

pheared (446683) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100662)

Except if you are a middle class Joe who had to sue the Big Company for what they did and you lost. Since their court costs (higher priced lawyer(s)) are greater, and you don't have nearly the same amount of money at your disposal, you will be royally fucked if you lose. This would disenfranchise the ordinary person making the legal system only work for the Company.

Re:You win, don't pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100741)

This would disenfranchise the ordinary person making the legal system only work for the Company.

In other words, we have nothing to lose by adopting "loser pays"?

Maybe there would be fewer frivolous lawsuits then. And more expensive lawyers might be more likely to take cases defending small-fry clients if they can bill the litigants after small-fry client wins.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100664)

> Perhaps if the plaintiff had to pay ALL court costs if he/she
> lost there would be fewer nonsensical lawsuits.

There would also be a lot fewer "ordinary people" who would be willing to take the risk of standing up to giant corporations when said corporations were doing something wrong.

Re:You win, don't pay (4, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100697)

Loser-pays is common in Europe, and there are groups pushing it in the US.

There is an obvious downside to it: it tends to discourage access to the courts by people who can't afford to lose. Mike Rowe would never have been able to afford Microsoft's court costs, and if he's not 100% convinced he'll win (not just right: win) he'd be in debt forever.

It's not infeasible; it's so common in England that it's sometimes called the English rule. But it would involve a substantial change to American jurisprudence.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

/Wegge (2960) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100772)

At least in Denmark, the losers payment is calculated by a fixed price table, so if you spend extraordinary amounts on legal defence, you're still going to bear quite a lot of the expenses. The same of course goes for civil suits.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

g0at (135364) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100703)

I believe that's the way it works here in Canada.

(But having had no court experience, thankfully, I'm not certain.)

Re:You win, don't pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100709)

This was a criminal trial not a civil lawsuit. If you think that criminals found not guilty shouldn't have to pay their lawyers then I invite you to think about O.J. Simpson. Did you really want to foot the bill of his defense through your tax dollars?

As for civil suits, in the US at least, you can sue to recoup legal fees. Whether you will win or not is another story.

Automatically assuming that just because you win a lawsuit or criminal case means that it was nonsensical or frivolous is very childish.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

tangent3 (449222) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100749)

IANAL, but I've taken a half-year module on law. At least where I am, it is up to the judge's discretion to award costs to the winner, but this applies only to non-criminal cases. I believe DVD-Jon's case was a criminal case and defendant's costs cannot be recovered... except maybe with an unlawful arrest suit or something.

Re:You win, don't pay (1)

DamnRogue (731140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100751)

There is a flip side. If an individual sued a large corporation and lost, he would suddenly find himself responsible for millions of dollars in high-priced lawyers. That would make people think at least twice about even highly appropriate lawsuits.

Re:You win, don't pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100782)

The reason that the court's don't award all costs is to prevent defendant's abusing the system. Otherwise, people would call their lawyer every few minutes, get them to draft lots of letters and generally do lots of expensive things purely to screw the other guy financially as much as possible.

A lawyer is also not seen as a requirement for defending yourself - you could take the stand yourself, but if you feel the need for legal advice then you should pay for it yourself as it isn't a necessity.

The courts then award damages on a sliding scale. Unfortunately though, these days it lawyers are really a necessity, and damages will almost never cover the cost of good legal representation!

The end result is that the system favours those with money...and as ever the little guy loses out.

Payment from MPAA (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100557)

"Jon, we will compensate you in remaindered copies of 'Little Nicky', 'Crossroads', and 'Ishtar' in DVD."

Re:Payment from MPAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100624)

"And Gigli. Don't forget Gigli."

Re:Payment from MPAA (5, Funny)

jtosburn (63943) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100826)

"Jon, we will compensate you in remaindered copies of 'Little Nicky', 'Crossroads', and 'Ishtar' in DVD."

...sorry they're all Region 1, but we figured you'd be ok with that...

Free Publicity? (1)

PRES_00 (657776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100560)

Maybe this is a bit similar to the MikreRoweSoft.com case. Rather than ending bad for him, he gets free publicity for his work and DeCss in general, if that's his motive...

Re:Free Publicity? (0)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100642)

The publicity that he got (allthough i think the guy and his work are great) was one that was focusing on him as being a bad person : I don't think that's the best publicity to get for 'outsiders'.

Re:Free Publicity? (1)

AssClown2520 (695423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100809)

Anyone that has set up a dvd player such as xine in *nix knows who this guy his. Anyone who hasn't really doesn't care about what he has done or that he was getting sued for it.

I really think his motive in this case was to watch a freaking DVD that he had paid money for on the platform of his choosing.

All hail DVD-Jon

What's his day job? (1)

davidhan (539718) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100566)

Anyone know? I didn't see it in the article.

Re:What's his day job? (1)

C_nemo (520601) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100754)

IIRC he is a software developer for a norwegian firm (or a firm with a branch in Norway). He dropped out / took a break from high school and started working as a programmer just after the DeCSS shit hit the fan. Its a few years back so it is possible that he has completed high school and is (at least planning to) study CompSci at Univeristy level.

Add this guy... (2, Interesting)

syphax (189065) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100568)

... to the Pantheon of Geeks.

Fair is fair... (3, Insightful)

axis-techno-geek (70545) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100576)

Heck he should sue the MPAA for damages too, if they can pressure prosocution they should also foot the blame.

...oh sorry that "liberty and justice for all" has been replaced with "liberty and justice for all those who can afford it".

Re:Fair is fair... (1)

Zak3056 (69287) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100648)

...oh sorry that "liberty and justice for all" has been replaced with "liberty and justice for all those who can afford it".

You are aware that "liberty and justice for all" is an American phrase (though I grant the concept is universal) and that this took place in Norway, right?

Re:Fair is fair... (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100744)

You're right. Thanks for catching that one. We've amended it now, so it should be accurate. For your review:

"liberty and justice for all*

* Except for those living in Puerto Rico, Guatemala, the Virgin Islands, Guantanamo Bay, China, Syria, any temporarily designated 'Free Speech Zones' and, of course, Norway."

Better?

Re:Fair is fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100757)

You are aware that the American MPAA pressured this case in Norway? Right?

OT: Seriously, what is up with Slashdot's HTML (-1, Offtopic)

SpaceRook (630389) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100588)

Anyone else seeing a lot of problems lately? When you go to the article's main page, the entire central section is shifted to the left. This is Firebird 0.7. IE6 also has some weirdness.

Re:OT: Seriously, what is up with Slashdot's HTML (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100658)

It could be to do with the stonking great adverts /. has started showing to the right of the main content...

Have you got "images from other sites" turned off?

Re:OT: Seriously, what is up with Slashdot's HTML (0)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100717)

No problems here.
Using IE6

I'm actually surprised (2, Interesting)

seidleroniman (740696) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100591)

This went on for quite a while, i'm surprised that the number isnt much higher (like in the 75k range).

Counter-suit (3, Interesting)

MasterC (70492) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100597)

Someone sues me and wastes my time (the more important part) and money then you betcha I'd sue back. Although it sounds Jon is just demanding and not suing.

I hope this isn't considered a surprise...to anyone.

Re:Counter-suit (1)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100684)

He should sue the RIAA

Re:Counter-suit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100846)

While he is at it why not sue the NRA, the IRA, the AICPA, the NBA, the T&A, and the MommaLookaBooBooDay.

In summary, you are a moron. Tell me what the RIAA had to do with any of this?

Frivolous Prosecutions (3, Insightful)

Mistah Blue (519779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100604)

I hope he prevails. Perhaps it will give other prosecutors pause, to think out their case. If you have a weak case and know you are going to have to pay all cases, you might decide to forego prosecution and use your resources on cases which aren't weak. This benefits the society as a whole.

Re:Frivolous Prosecutions (1)

Mistah Blue (519779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100640)

s/pay all cases/pay all costs/

He'll settle... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100616)

...for a randy weekend with the Swedish Bikini team.

FP Kang in tha hizzouse!! w00t!

Costs? (0)

Dogers (446369) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100617)

The article doesnt say if its costs hes looking at recovering, or "costs" he wants back (ie, is it lawyers fees, or "dammit i want money for you harassing me").

Sounds to me towards the end that its the latter..? What do others think/know?

Sounds like he... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100623)

Got off cheap.

Why doesn't he setup a legal defense fund like Linda Tripp [storesense.com] ?

...Seems a little entitlement-minded, doesn't he?

Civil vs Criminal (2, Interesting)

JasonUCF (601670) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100634)

IANALBIPOOSWIAB (I am not a lawyer but I play one on slashdot when I am bored) --

In da US they call thems dere sorts of stuff 'Wrongful Prosecution'. I wonder how they would handle this in Norvay. I mean, as I understood it when it was escalated to the higher court it was a civil-type charge. Wrongful Pros cases in the US historically deal with criminal prosecutions. yes yes, I know nothing of norvegian law, yes yes i'll stfu, sorry...

Can anyone say COUNTERSUIT ? (1)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100666)

Isnt this what countersuits are for in the first place ? I mean this on is a little different beign sortof a Criminal case, but since it was the strongarm of the MPwhatever. Couldnt he sue them ?

Just Enough to Pay... (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100669)

claiming 150,000 NOK (about 17,500 euros)

Sounds like just enough to pay your RIAA extortion.

Good for him (4, Insightful)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100670)

I like the idea of a counter-suit. News like this should help prevent companies such as DirecTV from indiscriminately suing people because there's a small chance that they're guilty.

If people continue to fight these lawsuits and counter-sue, rather than just settle, then these companies will be discouraged from these rages in the future because it will end up costing them more in dollars & negative PR than it's worth.

Although I support his position/work on DeCSS (4, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100672)

The Oekokrim trials were clearly about establishing precedent for Norway on an important matter, not about punishing him directly. Living in a litigious society, I can tell you only one group seems to come out the consistent winner when everybody feels the need for compensation when they've been offended in some manner.

He didn't have to pay lawyer's fees, and from the sounds of it outside of having something like this looming over his head for years it's probably been a boon to him overall (he won't have to worry about finding work, for one thing.) It's probably a better time to count blessings than demand renumeration.

Re:Although I support his position/work on DeCSS (2, Interesting)

vidarh (309115) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100776)

I don't agree. If the trial was about establishing precedent, then I believe he would clearly be entitled to compensation. Norway has a strong tradition for compensating people in cases where the government prosecutor pursued a case based on incomplete evidence or seemingly based on other considerations than the merits of the case.

If the court action has been a benefit to him over all he will be unlikely to get much, as that would be taken into account, but if he believe he can meet the criteria then he should follow this through - the compensation arrangement is there specifically to provide relief to ensure that the government can't use prosecution in itself as a punishment in cases where they can't expect a conviction.

(ObDisclaimer: IANAL)

Re:Although I support his position/work on DeCSS (1)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100823)

A bunch of corrupt, greedy bastards have been trying to screw him over for years, and he's supposed to count his blessings?

What the hell are you doing on slashdot? I've got news for you buddy, here we STICK it to THE MAN....ALL DAY LONG.

*Sigh* (2, Funny)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100702)

It is really sad to see this happening to society. We have gone from struggling to provide print media for those in struggling third-world countries and yet we have these "union-esque" groups who are just going sue happy (RIAA, SCO, MPAA etc...).

It seems to me that our civilization (North American/European and East Asian) has reached a plateau where we could very easily stop trying to fight amongst ourselves, back off and lend a helping hand to all those countires that are just trying to punch through industrialization. I'm not suggesting we put our future on hold but perhaps it is time to, at least on a small level, reassess the important things - like food, water, shelter, comfort and open source software.

The MPAA might think its doing itself and those artists it protects a afvor by fighting for them but really, these actors make more money than the doctor who ay one day save their lives. Aren't priorities a little confused here?

Again, just my opinion but in my "idyllic world" everyone's opinion has something to add (and for SPAMMERS that might be inches to your member!)

OJ (1, Funny)

Zep1a (632445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100712)

Just imagine the bill to California when OJ finds the "real" killers. :)

Zep--

Suing and Countersuing (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100715)

It's a shame we live in such a litigious global society these days. Back in the day, rescuing your honour was all that you wanted. But then, back in the day, you didn't get sued for stupid shit all the time. Isn't it a bit obvious that people who copy DVDs are breaking the law, not the people who supply the means to do it?

Anyway he might make more money writing a few exclusives in the press than going through more legal procedure. People must understand : the lawyers make the real money, not the plaintiffs. Stop making those snakes rich with at no risk to themselves. You take the risk, DVD Jon. The lawyer gets paid whatever.

Should quit while he's ahead. (1)

ITR81 (727140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100729)

He was lucky he got saved by his own court sys, because I doubt that would've happen in the US. If he sues they will just counter sue.

Re:Should quit while he's ahead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8100849)

That's not luck. That's not being an american citizen. You know, like the majority of the worlds population.

Re:Should quit while he's ahead. (2, Informative)

/Wegge (2960) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100850)

Is that possible in your jurisdiction?

In Scandinavia (and I expect that holds for the rest of europe as well), you're elegible for compensation for wrongfull arrests and/or accusation from the police. They have no ways of countersuing.

It's not the USD value, it's the purchasing power (3, Interesting)

Random Guru 42 (687672) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100766)

I just had to bitch about something in the article. "It's a modest claim by international standards, amounting to around USD 20,000."

That doesn't matter at all. Does the 150,000NOK have the same purchasing power in Norway as 20,000USD has in the states? If not, the comparison is completely worthless.

If it costs 4CAD for a carton of large eggs here and 24XXX for the same in some fictional country, but the exchange rate is 1XXX for every 2CAD, then they certainly don't have the same purchasing power, do they?

Can he be Knighted too? (1)

bbowers (596225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100800)

He deserves at least some compensation for this. You take him to court and don't find him guilty, then leave him out in rain with no clothes. Now I'm sure he's got enough to help himself but somecompensation for what he's gone through would be more than enough. I think the fact that I wouldn't be guilty would be enough for me.

Survival strategies for street games? (-1, Offtopic)

fastenrath (457040) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100801)

I was wondering if anybody could recommend suitable survival strategies for street games? I'm not talking about games for children but about the very expensive type of game where whole cities start acting around a single person (the player) and newspaper articles, TV news and hollywood movies are made with bits and pieces taken from that person's diary or even his brain ..

(Yes, telepathy is possible, just very expensive - read last year's news if you don't believe it.)

While it can be very entertaining to have the whole world revolve around you (including politicians and hollywood stars) the ultimate goal of this kind of game is to kill the player.

My interest is not purly academical: I'm trapped in a street game right now and you might see why I very much want to break out of this one.

If you're wondering what a street game is like: It's like being trapped in The Matrix and The Game, with a bit of The Truman Show and Being John Malkovich thrown in.

The game is wasting a lot of money around me to annoy me and surprise me, but it's more like a cat playing with a mouse it intends to kill sooner or later.

If you want to help me break ouf of this game you can make 25.000 Euro, which is my offer for anybody who explains to me what this matrix is, I'm trapped in.

I'm not sure I can be reached by internet or by phone and even if you reach somebody it might be somebody pretending to be me (so don't waste your time on that). The only way I recommend (without really knowing what's going on, of course) is to get close enough to me that the game has to pay your for your cooperation. Since my offer is 25.000 Euro you should be able to get this money from the game if they need you to cooperate.

Please make them pay this amount as I really would like to see them run out of money!

You can find me in the following places. (please have a look at my homepage and/or my journal for updates to this travel plan):

Addis Ababa: just getting thrown out by the police.
Berlin, Potsdamer Platz, 28-29 January 2004.
New York, Central Park, 01-03 February 2004.
Chicao, ?, 04-06 February 2004.
Los Angeles, 07-12 February 2004.
Sydney, 13-15 February 2004.
Tokyo, 16-18 Feburary 2004.
Bombay, 19-21 Feburary 2004.

Does he take PayPal? (2, Interesting)

stuffduff (681819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8100807)

Hell, I'd give a couple of bucks!
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