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Linus Speaks Out, Calls SCO 'Cornered Rat'

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the tell-us-what-you-really-think dept.

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dexterpexter writes "In an interview with Business Week, Linux founder and guardian Linus Torvalds had, in his usual brand of blunt humor, the following to say about SCO: 'They're a cornered rat, and quite frankly, I think they have rabies to boot. I'd rather not get too close to them,' and 'There are literally several levels of SCO being wrong. And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong.'" In the same issue, there's also an interview with Darl McBride where he admits that the company was failing and the Linux-related lawsuits were a last-ditch effort to prevent bankruptcy.

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103433)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

Ha. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103439)

Rat is too kind for them.

GOATSE.CX VIRUS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103443)

Beste mensen,
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Re:GOATSE.CX VIRUS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103650)

Waarom zou ik mij druk maken? Ik gebruik Linux, dus het GOATSE-virus interesseert me helemaal niet.

Re:GOATSE.CX VIRUS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103727)

GOATSE is een knappe hollandse knaap met verschillende piercings'tatoeages maar hij oogt erg onschuldig! Als je hem ziet weet je dat je een geweldige date voor de boeg hebt.

Happy Troooool Tuesday!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Niggard (657484) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103445)

I've always considered myself totally heterosexual, and never even considered a sexual experience with another guy. That was until I began surfing the net. I began to find sites like this and others which had stories and pictures posted of men enjoying other men sexually. I began to think about it more and more, and for the first time in my life fantasized about other men while masturbating. Since watching women masturbate was always my biggest turn-on, it only seemed natural that the thought of men masturbating might also excite me... I was right.

After almost a year of exploring on the Web and in MforM chatrooms, I knew that I somehow had to experience something in real life. But I certainly didn't want to do it with a stranger.

The person I looked to was my best friend Darl. I would soon discover that Darl fit the description of the type of guy that excited me from my on-line experiences. He was thin, with nice muscle tone, but not considered built, he had dark hair a nice tan and had a completely smooth chest and stomach and hardly any hair on his legs. Even though we had been friends since high school (now in our early 20's) I had never seen him totally nude. I was becoming increasingly curious.

Even though we're very close, I found it very difficult to bring up the subject. I did it as subtlety as possible; one day while surfing the net together I "accidently" stumbled upon the M/M stories posted on your page. I purposely went to the hottest ones and pretended to read them for the first time with him.

I kind of said very casually after reading them that I couldn't believe that they were actually a "bit" of a turn-on.(In reality I was ready to explode just discussing it with him). I asked him if he ever thought about sex with a guy, and after some initial denying it, he did confess to dreaming about it once in a while. I told him I thought it might be interesting under the right circumstances.

Well, the right circumstances came about a month later. We were at his house, it was a very hot day and we were swimming in his pool. I had just finished some laps and I crawled up into the floating pool lounge to catch some sun while Darl continued to swim. As I laid in the very hot sun, I began to watch Darl in the pool. I couldn't believe how much I was getting turned on watching his very smooth body slice through the blue water. It actually scared me a little, because I really didn't want to be bisexual; I love girls.

I couldn't resist the urge though; as he swam by me I extended my leg out, pushing it into his back, pretending to hold him under. I was just dying to feel his skin under my own, even if it was my foot. He swam out from under me and fought back, overturning my lounge bringing me into the water with him. We started underwater wrestling, and I purposely fought hard just to hold on to him. The smell of the chlorine on top of his skin was intoxicating. I was going crazy.

I knew I had to stop or I was going to embarrass myself. I broke free and got out of the pool, grabbing my towel quickly to cover the growing bulge in my bathing suit. I laid down on the lounge for a bit, but I couldn't get my erection to subside.

"Does being out in the sun too long make you horny sometimes?" I asked him.

He laughed, "yeah, of course it does. Hot sun always does ".

I got up from the chair and started toward the house, telling him I needed to get out of the heat. I went upstairs to his room, fortunately his parents were both working. In his room he had a VCR and I knew some x-rated movies. I put one in the machine and began watching it, my cock was so hard I was going crazy. The scene was a girl/girl encounter, but all I could think of was feeling his body in the pool.

"What are you doing?" he asked from the doorway

"I'm really horny, I told you."

"I can see that," he said looking down toward my crotch. "Just go take care of yourself in the bathroom." he said.

"But then I won't be able to see the film," I said, while pushing on my cock through my swim trunks. I could see his eyes were fixed on my hand pushing on my cock. I don't think he knew what to make of it, but I could see that his own bathing suit was rising a bit in the front. This scared me to death, but also excited me so much that I was encouraged to continue.

I slid my hand up my left leg to rub inside my suit, I pretended be interested in the film again, but I couldn't help but turn back and stare at his ever growing bulge. Finally there was no hiding it for him either. I kind of smirked and gestured for him to sit down and watch the film with me.

He did just that, sitting next to me on the floor about six feet away. We were now both rubbing our cocks under our suits and watching these two girls 69 each other on the tv.

The more we got into it though, I noticed that Darl kept looking toward me more than he was watching the screen. This was fine by me; It was all I could do not to stare right at his bulge. I could feel my heart racing and my breathing quicken.

I new somebody had to take the first step, I slid off my trunks, exposing to him my very hard 7 1/2 inch cock. He was totally fixed on me from that ppoint on, and a little shocked that I'd done it.

"Come on," I said, "You mine as well be comfortable,"

Without further suggestion he pulled off his bathing suit, and I got my first look at another guy's erect penis. He was hard, and actually his dick looked similar to mine, I discovered we both keep our pubic hair cut very close and our balls shaved.

I leaned back against his bed and faced him, inspiring him to also turn and lean against the wall to face my way. we were now totally ignoring the movie and concentrating on each other's hands working of our hard cocks.

Our eyes drifted back and forth between each others crotches and the expression of pure desire on the other's face. What turns me on so much about watching people get themselves off is that look in their eyes, when they reach the point of no return; where they must cum at any cost. Darl and I both had that look in our eyes.

Darl brought his hand up to his mouth and licked his palm to wet it and returned it to his cock. I followed his lead. The chlorine had made my cock a bit dry and my saliva made stroking easier.

When a drop of pre-cum appeared on my head, I brushed it with my fingertip and brought it to my waiting tongue. Darl watched with delight, "I thought I was the only one who did that," he moaned.

I was getting close and so was he, we were both laying back now, hips rocking in rhythmic motion.

"Fuck, I never thought this could be so hot," he moaned, almost screamed.

I couldn't resist, "Cum with me Darl". I screamed.

I jumped up and moved closer to him; I didn't consider the consequences, I didn't care, I just had to feel him. I moved next to him so our legs were touching, then in a more daring move I rubbed my cock against his leg. "Cum on me Darl," I screamed.

He too was beyond control and he moved forward and knelt in front of me. Our legs were together and our cocks even brushed together. I wanted so bad to kiss him at that moment, but I couldn't, I also wanted to suck on his nipple but I held back. Feeling his cock against mine would suffice. I looked directly into his eyes as my cock exploded, sending blast after blast of semen against his stomach. He burst too flooding my own chest and stomach. We collapsed into back and stare

The question is... (5, Funny)

ee_moss (635165) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103453)

Should I leave this MyDoom worm on my machine for a few days... Sure.

Re:The question is... (5, Funny)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103638)

Do you know if this worm is supported by WINE?

Re:The question is... (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103696)

I have a box running a bunch of Win4Lin instances. Even better.

SCO (2, Insightful)

Bishop, Martin (695163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103461)

I can't see this whole thing lasting very long, I mean, hopefully someone will realize the SCO has absolutly no case, and are just full of malarky. I want to see how this will turn out though, And what will happen to SCO and it's silly licenses....

Re:SCO (-1)

WellAren'tYouJustThe (705433) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103482)

Well aren't you just the deep thinker.

Re:SCO (5, Insightful)

Slack0ff (590042) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103517)

Sco saw that linux had hit it big and looked for an easy way into the money. Rather then doing a partnership type association like IBM they decieded to sue the hell out of them and then when that started to look bad they started to sue the users of linux. They are desperate and nothing to worry about.

Re:SCO (5, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103657)

what will happen to SCO and it's silly licenses....

more interesting is what will happen to the companies that paid the licensing fees. if they decide they've been ripped off (well, that's only a matter of time) they're going to have a bejesus of a time recouping their costs. there will definitely be civil action. that's a given. but will there be criminal action to follow suit?

you can't sell the brooklyn bridge to tourists, after all. they put you in jail for that.

The end is near. (1, Redundant)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103467)

...for all this SCO vs. Linux. Horray!

To celebrate this first stone of truth, I hereby name this day, January the 27th, Linux independensday.
Back me up! >:)

Shameless Karma Grab (5, Funny)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103470)

I'm reading the article while writing this.

I just can't imagine what it must be like to be constantly having to explain the same damn thing over and over again.

Hang on, my first job here was helpdesk. Nevermind.

Re:Shameless Karma Grab (4, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103602)

"I just can't imagine what it must be like to be constantly having to explain the same damn thing over and over again."

Not to mention constantly having to read the same damn thing over and over again.

But then, this is Slashdot!

Re:Shameless Karma Grab (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103661)

I actually like reading interviews with Linus. At least when it's coming from the horse's mouth it doesn't seem to be as bad as reading a rehash of a misunderstood reference to a retelling of a press release.

There are days that I wonder if E.M. Forrester forsaw the Internet when he wrote "The Machine Stops."

Re:Shameless Karma Grab (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103610)

I would love to read Darl admit they were about to go bust, but I just can't force myself to read any more interviews with him. The urge to vomit again is just to great a risk to take.

Darl has been infringed (0)

Worldly Iconoclast (724498) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103474)

I bet you the rabies virus has some SCO coding in it.

Re:Darl has been infringed (2, Funny)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103520)

Yikes! And they claim the GPL is viral, nothing compared to their rabies though... :)

Re:Darl has been infringed (0)

Worldly Iconoclast (724498) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103572)

I suppose maybe it isn't rabies that Darl has. Herpes is a closer guess.

I'm glad he was honest at least (4, Interesting)

madprof (4723) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103480)

SCO were a few quarters away from running out of cash so...they decided to utilise their Unix IP rights, except looking at the quality of their argiument so far this looks like staggering desperation.

Re:I'm glad he was honest at least (1)

Damn_Canuck (702128) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103662)

It's amazing... Darl seems to actually be honest about some of his reasoning why they did this. The company was failing and they needed money. He is now in charge of the money. Where is the potential for money? Though everyone not paying them. 'Nuff said.

Re:I'm glad he was honest at least (1, Redundant)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103688)

Ah...IP...The geeks Vietnam. Until we can understand that the world won't end if we abolish the concept, we will remain in this quagmire(sp) for a long time to come.

"...last ditch effort..." (5, Insightful)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103481)

How unfortunate that the ethical bankruptcy is tied so closely to the fiscal one. Where was it written that this *had* to be so painful?

Re:"...last ditch effort..." (0, Flamebait)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103521)

In Microsoft's little book I guess..

"you do this, this and this and we'll invest millions of dollars in your company.."

sounds like they may not have had much choice.

Surprised by Linus (5, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103487)

At the start of this whole mess, I'd have thought that Linus would have just ignored it... Guess this one got under his skin a bit.

In the end, I think we'll all look back on this as the time where Linux went from sort of a fringe software in the minds of a lot of people to a mainstream player, where corporations learned they shouldn't mess with the OSS community and when the idea of open-source really started to make people ask "Why *am* I paying for this software?"

After all, that which doesn't kill us, etc. etc.

Re:Surprised by Linus (1, Flamebait)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103549)

Hmmm.... And I though myDoom came from Russia! Now that we see it is from Finland, things become clear.

SCO is cornered, yes! Rat, yes! And I wonder if that virus is GPL?

HEheheehehehe

(/sarcastic_humor)

Re:Surprised by Linus (4, Informative)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103632)

I think it started to piss him off when they claimed their code was in the headers that linus had actually written, for example errno.h..

You read his response here [groklaw.net]

Re:Surprised by Linus (5, Interesting)

itomato (91092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103691)

But really - how long can you expect anyone, no matter how mild-mannered, level-headed, etc., they may be - to tolerate such behavior on such a SCALE?

This is a seed that has been germinating in the computing underbelly since Linus posted to comp.minix.announce.

The world's largest, most influential software manufacturers are duking it out over one of the next major milestones in computing.

It's a noble thing to ignore spit, sticks, and stones,, but nobler still to stand your ground and speak the truth when the time is right.

Ask *them* why they are paying for software. They just don't know that it's out there for free. It grows on the only tree they are aware of - CompUSA, BestBuy, etc.

Mention "no more" in connection to these items:
Ad ware
Spy ware
$450 word processors
Viruses (mostly)
and most importantly, you can look under the hood to see what and who is doing what with the computer in *YOUR* living room.

The times - they are a changin'..

Hi Im linus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103488)

And I have no reason to hide the fact that I stole SCOs hard work for my own behind nerd rhetoric.

Linus = warez pirate. No better than the jackoff who stole Half Life 2 source off of Valve's servers.

Cocksuckling wang wingler!

WTG SCO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103489)

Why doesn't SCO go sue something a little less illogical, like the virus creators who are DDOSing them?

Re:WTG SCO (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103574)

And how much money does a unemployed ex-sco employee have?

Not a troll, but.... (0, Insightful)

Muda69 (718162) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103494)

Which one is worse, the fool or the fool that follows him?
I find the attention/flames that everybody is giving to SCO highly surprising, as a result it is hard for bystanders to differentiate between the opponents. It would be much more mature of Linus and Co to either ignore the whole matter or respond professionally, instead of playing the same game.

What about the open source community? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103504)

I'd say right now the open source community might look like the bigger rat with the new worm spreading and DDoSing SCO. It's not funny, it's not justice, and it just makes the open source community look like the cornered rat in the eyes of the masses. The first thing Linus should've done was to speak out and condemn this sort of behavior.

While it may be humorous to some of the immature individuals on this site, a worm to DDoS SCO is a terrible blunder. It just strengthens SCO's arguments that the open source community is made up of troublemakers that need to be stopped.

Re:What about the open source community? (1)

edsel (73916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103595)

The interview is dated February 2. The worm was just announced this weekend.

What I think is great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103608)

SCO can do absolutely anything they want. Lie, steal, commit slander and fraud. There are no repercussions.

The linux community, meanwhile, has to be absolutely perfect and saintlike and have not a single user do anything that could be interpreted as unethical, or they get blasted as scary anarchists.

This is even more funny when you consider SCO is a singular organization which can enforce ethical standards, whereas "the linux community" is an open ended, uncontrollable group of people that basically means everyone who downloads a certain program.

We need a media that knows how to do more than reprint press releases.

Re:What about the open source community? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103666)

"I'd say right now the open source community might look like the bigger rat with the new worm spreading and DDoSing SCO. "

Funny...nobody said that about Muslims when a bunch of crazies decided to knock down two towers. In fact, the idea is ridiculous.

Now. You were saying?

Re:What about the open source community? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103682)

Yes, but SCO is the master of FUD and will claim such things and probably get some people to believe it. You must've forgot who we're dealing with here.

Re:What about the open source community? (1)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103675)

I don't know... remember in X2 how that rogue government guy (Stryker, right?) mind-controlled Kurt into attacking the White House and making it look like renegade mutants were behind it, when all the while it was meant to discredit mutants in general and futher the government's aims?

I get the creepy feeling that something like that is happening here. I mean, after all, a website being down a couple hours is a small price to pay for having the opportunity to characterize one's opponents as monstrous criminal hackers. Why would an irate Linux supporter include a keystroke logger? Are there really that many Linux supporters who moonlight as identity thieves and spies? I bet SCO would welcome the chance to convince the general public of that notion, and that makes me suspicious.

Re:What about the open source community? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103678)

it just makes the open source community look like the cornered rat in the eyes of the masses.

No, it makes the virus author look like the rat.

a worm to DDoS SCO is a terrible blunder.

Unless you have firsthand knowledge that it was written by a member of the open source community, how can you call it a "blunder"? That's like saying "Hey, I know your wife got hit by a drunk driver while you were at work, but it was a terrible blunder for you to be drinking and driving."

Again, unless you have proof that this was created by someone in the open source community, shut the fuck up, there are grown-ups having a conversation here.

Best Wishes SCO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103505)

Best wishes to SCO,
I hope they defeat the gay-linux-conspiracy.

Never forget (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103506)

The lawsuit and linux licensing program did not cause SCO to start making a profit for the first time ever because they were profitable or making money. Neither are or will.

The lawsuit and linux "licensing" program caused SCO to start making a profit for the first time ever because as soon as they did so, they recieved an absolutely huge monetary donation from Microsoft. And it was a donation, not a "license" Microsoft has no use for a license even if one were legally required of them. It was never anything other than a donation, and this is practically the only reason SCO has survived to the new year. This is the reason SCO can go on.

No, Microsoft isn't standing behind the scenes pulling SCO's strings. They don't have to.

When all is said and done (4, Insightful)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103508)

When all is said and done with this case I think Darl McBride will be making a fast exit... to South America.

Other people have said it and I agree with it... those attempted extortion, excuse me, licensing letters they sent out are should be pursued as federal mail fraud, and the SEC should take a long hard look at Mr. McBride and his lawyers, and how they're playing their own company's stock.

Re:When all is said and done (4, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103631)

Up until now it's been completely unethical, but just on this hairy side of legal. Short of a memo stating that "we are making all this IP crap up" they are in the clear even if they are wrong. Even flagrantly wrong. It's very hard to prove intent, and most laws against this sort of thing have an intent clause.

Granted, if I get busted with a loose joint and I have another in my pocket I'd probably be busted with intent to sell. But lawyers don't seem to be comfortable making those quantum assumptions about fellow lawyers.

Re:When all is said and done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103692)

> I think Darl McBride will be making a
> fast exit... to South America.

Y estaremos aca esperandolo!

(and we will be here waiting for him!)

I think Linus... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103509)

..is unfairly demeaning both rats and corners with such a comparison.

Cornered rat? Sure! (1)

dustmote (572761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103513)

The question is...do they really have any claws? I can completely understand the analogy, except that rats can do something to attack. I'm not sure how much SCO can really do, apart from annoy people with nuisance lawsuits.

Re:Cornered rat? Sure! (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103524)

Blood-sucking lawyers are claws enough.

Re:Cornered rat? Sure! (1)

dustmote (572761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103546)

Only if they find purchase, and dig in. "You swing! You miss! The Justice System hits! You are feeling faint!"

Fight Like a Rat (1)

handy_vandal (606174) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103694)

The question is...do they really have any claws? I can completely understand the analogy, except that rats can do something to attack.

Rat claws are not good for much. Rat teeth, however, are sharp and nasty.

I think the Itchy and Scratchy theme says it all --

Fight Fight Fight, Bite Bite Bite --!

-kgj

can hear it in my head... (1)

drxenos (573895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103526)

Ding! Dong! The witch is dead! The witch is dead! Ding! Dong! The wicked witch is dead!

If this whole SCO thing ends... (2, Funny)

Erick the Red (684990) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103527)

what will we talk about on Slashdot?

We need two RIAA stories, stat!

Editor Spin (2, Insightful)

thebatlab (468898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103529)

"In the same issue, there's also an interview with Darl McBride where he admits that the company was failing and the Linux-related lawsuits were a last-ditch effort to prevent bankruptcy."

Way to make it sound very sordid. The company was falling towards bankruptcy, yes. It was a last ditch effort, yes. But.....oh.....

Re:Editor Spin (1)

js7a (579872) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103731)

When I joined the company, we did a 30-day analysis and review. I interviewed the top managers inside the company and a handful of people outside and asked, "Where do we go with this thing?" [SCO] had come down from being $1 billion in value down to about $5 million, it was a few quarters from being out of cash, and what became very clear to me early on was that there was a lot of value in the Unix intellectual property that wasn't being optimized.

How's this work again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103740)

  1. Skirt bankruptcy
  2. Attempt to hijack the opensource bandwagon
  3. ????
  4. Profit!

SCO SUCKS (1)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103532)

Hahaha! This story made my day. It pissed me off so much to see M$/SCO teaming up on Linux! Take that!

For those who don't know what this whole SCO deal is about, go here [arie.org] .

Love this quote.... (4, Insightful)

Thornae (53316) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103534)

"I said my goal was to get a return on the initial Caldera IPO, when it was trading at $56 per share...."

I'm sure everyone would like their money back from the tech-bust, but there's this little thing called reality. Unless you're Darl, of course.

What I want to know (0)

Worldly Iconoclast (724498) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103535)

Where do they get the money for all their laywers?

Re:What I want to know (1)

whiteknight31 (744465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103645)

Micro$oft.....

Re:What I want to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103647)

a large portion of their legal fees is paid in stock options - if anything, it sure gives their lawyers incentive to try and win

Welcome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103539)

I, for one, welcome our new SCO rat overlords. All hail our new master, Darl McBen!

Linus should be careful (5, Funny)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103540)

Why is Linus feeding Darl, the ultimate troll?

sweet (1)

Boromir son of Faram (645464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103545)

I love blunt humor. Like Friday, that shit be funnay.

Litigious Bastards! (5, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103547)


You may remember my attempt at starting a GoogleBombing where "litigious bastards" links to SCO as the first hit. (see this /. comment [slashdot.org] .) Anyhow, in my journal ArmenTanzarian (210418) [slashdot.org] noted that it's working now!

Way to go! It's a good day for slashdot and the net as a whole.

Re:Litigious Bastards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103723)

Let me get this straight: you want us to thank and congradulate you for fucking up Google?

Re:Litigious Bastards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103735)

no, it's good work for the net not one guy. It's not fucking up google. Don't you have lawsuits to file, Darl?

Regardless (2, Interesting)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103551)

of the whole "cornered rat" thing. This choice Q&A tells all:
Q: Then who are you going to sue?
A: The honest answer is we don't know. Conceivably, if everyone steps up and buys a license, we don't need to.

Hopefully and finally SCOX will now start showing the true worth of the company. BTW, does anyone know what the top execs have cleared thus far from this scam? Was it worth it and is this going to be an unforunate part of doing business like SPAM?

Re:Regardless (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103604)

We're not talking billions here, but they've made plenty of money: Yahoo! Finance link [yahoo.com] . Who knows what their friends have made, since they're not insiders.

This is especially funny (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103663)

Concievably, if everyone steps up and buys a license, we don't need to.

This is absolutely hilarious when you consider that if you are one of the hypothetical companies that actually bought a license, SCO's response has been to threaten you with more litigation.

SCO is basically treating "UNIXWare Licensees" as "people we can stomp all over". Recently they sent a letter to all of their licensees stating that they have to prove they aren't using a version of linux that contains SCO code-- thus opening themselves up to a lawsuit if this can be shown to be wrong-- or lose their license.

Now, think about this-- SCO is saying publicly that if you buy a UNIXWare License, you get to use the linux infected with hypothetical SCO code without fear of lawsuit. Then when they buy one, you demand you stop using the linux infected with hypothetical SCO code or face a lawsuit!

WTF?

Novarg virus hits SCO (1, Redundant)

msblack (191749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103553)

CNN is reporting [cnn.com] that the latest Novarg worm is launching a DOS attack against SCO websites. There is justice in the world after all.

Re:Novarg virus hits SCO (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103655)

dumbasses will mod up anything. the DoS starts on Feb. 1st.

By the way, in this P.R. war... (2, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103554)

SCO appears to have the upper hand [cnn.com] , at least with regards to this new MyDoom thing.

Well, and in the financial sector, which seems to cling to the stubborn belief that there might be something to their tactics and/or allegations.

It's quite likely that "truth will out", as they say, but if public opinion has any bearing on the outcome of this struggle IBM and Linus need to get better visibility in the more widely consumed (and moronic) news channels. I haven't seen anything but negativeish stuff there, but it's what gets out to the masses.

*yawn* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103560)

In the same issue, there's also an interview with Darl McBride where he admits that the company was failing and the Linux-related lawsuits were a last-ditch effort to prevent bankruptcy

Please, go get me yesterdays newspaper and read me the headlines ...

I love this quote... (4, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103573)

[Linus speaks] "... And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong."

You gotta love that guy's way of making a point.

I don't (3, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103685)

'Even if x were true, it'd still be false.'

I don't care who is he is, that offends me as a programmer. :-P

SCO not cornered rat, unless the rat can paint (5, Interesting)

HealYourChurchWebSit (615198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103578)



The BusinessWeek/Information Technology/Online Extra [businessweek.com] is pretty slick. As I read it, it appears that if McBribe is a cornered rat, then it's by his own devices.

Within 30 days he leaps into action. He then sandbags IBM after he sends out a Shareholder's letter ... ... I mean, usually you don't play such a public game unless you've failed at some backroom negotiation. Not the case here, according to the interview.

Then he get's all pissy, claming IBM goes ballistic when Big Blue flexes it's muscles.

The more I read about this the more and more it's clear to me that McBribe isn't leading this company into profitability, but a death march ... ... but not until he first sucks out ever red cent from any possible revenue stream without actually creating any new product, or continually modifying the old one.

Sounds to me like SCO has no one to blame but themselves here.

It's official: Litigious Bastards (1, Redundant)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103584)

Anyone done a Google search for litigious bastards lately? Guess who comes up first? Take a look:

Search results [google.com] .

Someone set them up the Google bomb.

Darl finally has a valid point! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103587)

"They say if you want to get into an argument at the dinner table, start a conversation about religion or politics. I would argue that Linux is a cross between religion and politics."

This is the first intelligent thing I have heard Darl say throughout this process.

./ unite! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103589)

We must all send soap-on-a-rope gift packs to the SCO execs!

"Operating systems shouldn't be free" (4, Interesting)

JesseL (107722) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103592)

Anyone notice Darl's comment toward the end of the interview?
What's odd to people is you have SCO against the world on one level. On another level, you have intellectual-property people who think operating systems shouldn't be free in our camp, and you have people over there who think operating systems should be free in IBM's camp.

This guy actually believes in a blanket statement like that?

Lies, damn lies (4, Interesting)

strictnein (318940) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103605)

Darl:
In concept it was great, it wasn't until December when we came out and said here's where the problems are with Linux, and we have a program where you can deal with that.

Q: What was the reception to that?
A: It seemed everyone in the industry was either positive or neutral to that, except for IBM. IBM had a violent reaction to it, even though it wasn't targeted directly at them.


Everyone was either positive or neutral to it? What are you smoking today Darl? Give me an f'en break.

20% success rate eh? (4, Insightful)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103607)

from the article...

: Have you had direct talks with customers yet?
A: Very carefully over the last quarter, instead of sending out mass invoices, we stepped very carefully and really had a lot of direct one-on-one meetings with 15 or so companies. In the process of doing that, we learned a lot. We listened. We talked. And we went back and forth. About 20% of those companies signed licenses with us.


Q: Can you name any of them?
A: We have taken the stance not to, .. But they are, in that case, Fortune 500 companies.


let's see 20% of 15, that's what.. ~2. so let's see, Microsoft and Sun perhaps?

Wow, that was close! (5, Funny)

TheTranceFan (444476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103613)

The article says "was a few quarters from being out of cash"...

Wow! They were down to their last 75 cents and they were able to come back this far!

That's quite an accomplishment indeed.

Why cornered? (2, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103626)

Calling them just "rats" transmit the whole concept we all have about them.

Strange - the date on the article says FEB 2, 2004 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103629)

go check it out. Is this article legit or some phish?

Re:Strange - the date on the article says FEB 2, 2 (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103709)

It'll be published in print next monday.

Fuckin DUH

Anonymous Coward speaks out! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103639)

(prank) Calls SCO "Rats"

SCO: "Thank you for calling SCO, how may I help you?"

AC: "Hi, I just installed lunix, and would like to pay my $699 license fee (I'm a cocksmoking teabagger)"

SCO: "Great! Just one second"

AC: "Is your credit card processing thingny running?"

SCO: "Yes sir"

AC: "WELL YOU BETTER GO CATCH IT ::LOL::" ::click::

Pitchforks??? (2, Funny)

Grimlock88 (687600) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103646)

From the McBride Article: "it becomes a question of whether you're going to protect your rights or back down from a set of folks you believe are going to come after you with pitchforks." Why didn't we think of this earlier? These DDoS attacks are far too nerdy to scare Darl. Pitchforks... sweeeeettt!!!

do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement (2, Funny)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103652)

Like Gollum in LOTR, I almost feel sorry for the litigious bastards [google.com] . Almost.

SCO in bankruptcy? VA is closer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103667)

I read the article and I am missing the part where Darl discusses bankruptcy, per Micheal's abstract He says the company was down to $5 million in cash reserves (it now has $16 million in cash reserves) and needed to do something to stimulate business, but never says the company was on the verge of bankruptcy.

VA Software has $4.989 million in cash reserves per its last financial statement (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=LNUX) -- less than SCO has at hand. Does this mean VA is on the verge of bankruptcy? It sure looks closer than SCOX.

Micheal, leave the financial reporting to the pros.

"Levels of lies" (4, Interesting)

GreenCrackBaby (203293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103669)

The whole SCO case really is just one level of lies built onto another, just as Linus claims. My wife is in law school specializing in intellectual property law, and even she couldn't make any sense out of what I told her about the case. Bascially my explination went something like this, "Even if this were true, which it isn't, that would imply this, which isn't true, but even if that was true, ...."

They've dug such a web of lies and confusion, and I think that is actually helping them keep their garbage claims going for so long!

A little side note, for thought. (1)

EmCeeHawking (720424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103671)

(Disclaimer: SCO is smoking crack. I believe none of what I am about to say...)

Actually, SCO has a point. They claim ownership of the code in UNIX derivatives, of which AIX and the rest are examples. The fact that SCO has never seen or handled that code in any way is irrelevant. It is perfectly possible that IBM has infringed on SCO's property by copying code that IBM wrote for AIX/others into Linux. In which case, the only copy that SCO currently has access to is the Linux copy. After all SCO didn't write the code. IBM did. SCO just owns the rights.

game is over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8103683)

Does that mean the SCO stocks are close to collapsing? Okay, slashdotters lets sell our stocks the next hour (everybody should have realized by now that we bought all the SCO stocks), we really need to find another toy...

Darl, it was nice to play with you.

Note to my self: Write a book about open source business plan envolving indirect stock market funds.

Google (5, Insightful)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103687)

From the interview:
"Q: There has been a rumor in Silicon Valley that you're going to sue Google. A: Yeah, Google gets brought up a lot. They're high-profile, and they're one of the largest users of Linux. They have nearly 10,000 boxes, from what we can tell. They're a poster child. I think what's interesting about them is they have been able to develop a low-cost operating model because of Linux. If your model is going to hold up, you better make sure you don't have any infringing code in there. Otherwise, you need to adjust your financials based on how much you pay for your servers. "

The emphasis is mine. This is SCO's trump card for going after google. You see, any lawsuits based on IP would look VERY bad for potential investors when google wants to go public. I mean, licensing all of their 10k boxes would cost $6,990,000, but any amount looks bad to shareholders, especially since if SCO were to win (yeah yeah I know) they could basically say " we don't care how much you offer, we're not letting you use our IP" and google would be in a tight spot, and probably have to spend a LOT more than 7 mil to fix it.

article copy here (0, Redundant)

xlyz (695304) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103706)

Linus Torvalds: SCO Is "Just Too Wrong"
The originator of the Linux OS has sharp words for SCO's "cornered rat" claims of intellectual-property infringement

If anyone knows what's in Linux, it's Linus Torvalds. He did the first work on the open-source operating system while a student at the University of Helsinki, and he managed the often chaotic process of building it with other programmers. Now, SCO Group (SCOX ), a small Utah software company, claims Linux is trampling on intellectual property rights it inherited from Novell (NOVL ), which got them from AT&T (T ). In an e-mail interview with BusinessWeek Correspondent Jim Kerstetter, Torvalds explains why he thinks SCO is wrong. The following are edited excerpts from that interview:

Q: SCO claims that old Unix files it says it owns are now in Linux. Can you explain to me why you think that's wrong?
A: [A number of files SCO claims to own] were written from scratch for Linux.... SCO also doesn't hold any copyrights to the BSD code [software developed at the University of California at Berkeley that SCO says contained copyrighted material that was passed on to Linux], nor is it actually in [SCO's version of Unix]. So SCO is wrong.

Also, SCO has apparently several times mentioned how copyright notices have been removed. Just for the record: Original Unix doesn't have any copyright notices to remove. They were added after a lawsuit [between the Berkeley developers and AT&T, which was settled]. So SCO would be wrong again.

So basically SCO's arguments are just too wrong to even discuss rationally. SCO doesn't own the copyright on the files they are talking about -- the University of California at Berkeley does. But even if they did, the Linux files weren't even copied in the first place. And even if they had been copied, no copyright notices would have been removed, since they didn't exist in the original. There are literally several levels of SCO being wrong. And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong.

Q: In fact, I saw in a recent interview that you chided yourself for the quality of some of those files. Why so?
A: Hey, for some of the files they claim copyright ownership on I went back 12 years in the archives to see their original form, and the fact is, I was a young guy at university in '91, and I [made] mistakes that I simply wouldn't [make] anymore, and that are clear signs of beginner [programming].

And those mistakes show how the code wasn't copied -- it's a bit like how map makers used to introduce small errors in maps on purpose, so that if somebody copied them but claimed to have made their own, the original map maker could point to the error and say, "Well, how did you have exactly the same error, too?"

Except I can definitely state that I didn't make those mistakes on purpose. As a young student at the University of Helsinki, I definitely didn't have the kind of forethought required to foresee a company claiming my code as theirs 12 years later. If I had those kinds of powers, I'd never have gone into programming, I'd just play the stock market.

Q: Do you think that any copyright or patent-protected Unix code has actually found its way into Linux?
A: Unlikely. There are now a number of people who have access to both Unix sources and Linux code, and literally written automated tools to find similarities. They found something like 30 lines from [Silicon Graphics, SGI ] that were dubious and that had been removed already. SGI wrote an open letter about their mistake. You can find it if you look for it.

As to patented algorithms, yes, there are a few examples of that -- IBM (IBM ) actually explicitly licensed some to Linux. That was a requirement on our side for even accepting the code in the first place. SCO doesn't own any patents, so they certainly can't be claiming ownership.

Q: If there is protected code in Linux, is there a solution?
A: Oh, the solution to any patent/copyright dispute is licensing the [intellectual property] or not using it. It's that simple.

In this case, we would clearly just remove it, but SCO has been less than forthcoming about what the contested code would be -- and when they do mention code, we can prove they are [wrong]. But we've always said in public that if SCO can actually show that somebody has inserted SCO [intellectual property] improperly in the [core of Linux], we will remove it. SCO only needs to ask.

But of course, those two scenarios actually depend on the [intellectual-property] claim being valid. That's a much more fundamental issue for SCO. The validity of their claims has always been very shaky, even regardless of the fact that Novell (NOVL ) claims SCO doesn't own the Unix copyrights in the first place.

The SCO claims have been shaky from the start because they haven't actually been able to show any particular copied code. It's like me claiming copyright on some article you wrote for BusinessWeek [without being] able to specify which article and which part of it I would have written. The fact that Novell now contests the SCO copyright ownership just makes them even more shaky.

Q: What do you think of SCO's lawsuit against IBM and its threats against customers?
A: Quite frankly, I obviously don't think much of it. But clearly we have to be careful.... Any business in the U.S. ends up having to worry about legal action, whether merited or not.

So I can't say that I'm ignoring it, because I'm not. But I do consider the thing to be a pretty clear-cut fishing expedition on SCO's part.... [But now,] they can't just back down, because that would show how [questionable] the original stuff was.

Nothing to lose is a bad situation to be in. They're a cornered rat, and quite frankly, I think they have rabies to boot. I'd rather not get too close to them.

Q: What do you think is motivating them?
A: I think there was a fair amount of bad feeling when IBM dropped out of the Monterey project [a joint-development project with SCO]. That was a big deal for SCO, and they had a hard time with that. Never mind the fact that it had long since become clear that the project wasn't going anywhere, and IBM would have been crazy to continue with it.

So you have some pent-up anger at IBM, a failing business that was losing its market, and put it together with a greedy new CEO who has fought legal battles before, and what do you get?

Q: Do you find this to be a personal affront to the work you've done over the years?
A: I do, and I don't. I get really upset every once in a while when SCO makes some new totally outrageous claim about the code I originally wrote and have maintained for over a decade. And I get frustrated at how this charade has been going on for something like eight months now.

But at the same time, I have obviously done all the development and the project management over the Internet for those 12-plus years, and the thing is, I've had to get a really thick skin and be able to laugh at myself, or I'd never have been able to do it.

Which means that I'm actually pretty good -- or at least I think I am -- at taking a step back, and looking at my own reaction to it pretty neutrally. And that not only calms me down a fair amount, it has actually made me appreciate the situation a bit: The lawsuit has made me realize just how personal these things get and how badly you can react to them.

So I still get angry, and sometimes I vent through e-mail, but at the same time, it has been an interesting experience. Not something I'd recommend to others, and quite frankly, if I never hear of another Linux lawsuit again, that will be too soon. But it's a bit like being at the dentist and instead of thinking about the irritating whining noise, you appreciate trying to figure out what it's like to be the man with the drill.

It doesn't make the situation any more pleasant, but at least you can get something out of it. Learning how things work, and how you yourself react to stressful situations, is worthwhile in itself, I think.

Q: Finally, have you done a deposition for SCO yet?
A: No, they asked for the moon and the sun -- I've got tons of e-mails -- and they weren't specific enough for me to automate [searches of my files to find answers to] their questions, so the lawyers have been trying to pinpoint a set of automated queries that both sides are comfortable with. And it wouldn't be a deposition, they just ask for documents. In my case, that ends up being basically e-mail.

I don't have anything against making my e-mails available per se -- most of my e-mails are public anyway. But I don't want to make it all available, [such as] private stuff that has nothing to do with what SCO is asking for. And since I've got so much of it, I can't read through it manually either. I wrote some tools to automate the search, but they would require pretty specific search terms.

Holy schnikies! (1)

LNO (180595) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103713)

Q: Then who are you going to sue?
A: The honest answer is we don't know. Conceivably, if everyone steps up and buys a license, we don't need to.


Let's see .. six billion people in the world, $699/license, that means they'll stop suing once they get $4,194,000,000,000.

You can never accuse Darl of lacking a grand vision ...

In a way, SCO has already won (2, Insightful)

argoff (142580) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103734)

In a way SCO has already won, because the debate is no longer about if copyrights are right or usefull in the information age, but rather is Linux in violation of copyrights.

It's sorta like arguing if a speech I wrote violates the Kings laws, rather than asking if the king should have the right to restrict peoples speech at all to begin with.

[Wow!] (5, Funny)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103739)

What an [interesting interview]! The [subject of the interview] was [interesting].

[Several paragraphs of, more or less, praise for BW Online's work]

[This post edited by BW Online.]

Ryan Fenton
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