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Slashback: Zip, Language, Opportunism

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the moving-day-approacheth dept.

Slashback 321

Slashback tonight brings you updates and corrections from recent and ongoing stories, including (this time around) non-silver silver paste, the return of the Orkut, Mike Rowe and his not-so-epic battle with Microsoft (one last time, I hope), the future of Zip for Microsoft Windows, and more. Read on below for the details.

Funny name, well-executed idea. YourMother writes "After almost 4 days of being offline, the social network Orkut is back online. The Orkut development team has been working nonstop since bringing it down on Sunday afternoon and quite a few new security features have been implemented to protect users information. Within the first 48 hours it was up, it gained almost 100,000 users, growing many times faster than other social networks like Friendster or Tribe. Did Google hit the social network bulls-eye?"

glinden points to a story with some more information about those security holes. "From the article, 'Sources close to Google suggest widespread XSS (cross-site scripting) hacks forced the closure of the service. It isn't clear how much personal data or communication was disclosed.'"

Playmate. Playmate, playmate playmate. An anonymous reader writes "A week after an appeals court ruling revived a Playboy Enterprises Inc. trademark infringement lawsuit against Netscape Communications Inc., the companies have reached a settlement in the case (See a ZDNet report) The terms of the settlement have not been disclosed. This puts an end to a closely watched case in the search engine advertising field. Several other lawsuits over misuse of trademarks in search engine ads are still in place. Google e.g. is embroiled in a lawsuit with Luis Vuitton regarding keyword-based ads in France and asked for a California court's ruling to back its trademark policy for AdWords after facing the threat of a lawsuit from American Blind & Wallpaper Factory Inc."

You have to admire such brave nomenclature. Michiel Frackers writes "Thanks for the link to my site, I got 3 gigabyte of traffic in a few hours! If I would have known, I would have written something in English. I have added an update about the Strangeberry product and its relation to Tivo at the URL you linked to.

I also included a link to my private blog (as www.frackers.com is more about my work in media & technology). Hopefully this clarifies some things for your readers, I did not intend to make this some kind of quest or game at all: it's just that I promised Arthur and his colleagues not to disclose what they are exactly doing, as you will understand."

And Anonymous joe writes with this link to an intriguing bit of Strangeberry speculation at the Register.

Nokia to port Python to Mobiles, not Perl An anonymous reader writes "Nokia was mistaken. In fact, El Reg reports that Python, not Perl, is the preferred language for scripting on its smartphone platforms. The availability of a Python implementation for mobile phones is part of a broader plan, including a JVM-based BASIC interpreter."

However, the Register article linked says that Perl is being considered, it's just that Python is being looked at as the primary language.

I wouldn't trust their pearls, either. Blade Leader writes "OCZ has issued a recall of OCZ Ultra 2 thermal paste after the Overclockers.com article on their lack of silver content. They blame the lack on their supplier, and claim they will be pursuing legal action."

A piece of history (or at least a piece of somethin' ...) Artemis writes "Searching along E-Bay and MikeRoweSoft.com I noticed that Mike Rowe has decided to sell the Microsoft Cease-and-Desist Letters and WIPO book he received on E-Bay. He is selling the WIPO book with the 25-page letter received from Microsoft's lawyers on January 14/2004.This inch-thick book contains copies of web pages, registrations, trade marks, other WIPO cases, emails between me and Microsoft's lawyers and much more. There are 27 annexes filled with information. This package also comes with the 25-page complaint transmittal coversheet that was sent with the inch-thick book."

What's wrong with gunzip, tar? whitefox writes "CNet News is reporting that PKWare & WinZip have settled their differences and will maintain Zip file compatibility for the foreseeable future with each supporting the other's security extensions. In addition, PKWare will include its SecureZip in the code it licenses to other software makers. This is good news in deed for users and developers alike!"

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321 comments

Disregard. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129580)

Please disregard this message. I am just trying to see if I can get modded up via the use of famous slashdot lines.

Linux r0x.
Microsoft sux.
SCO sucks.
Microsoft sucks too.
Google r0x. Except their search now sucks.
FreeBSD is dying.
FreeBSD is alive and kicking.

Alright. Glad that's over.

Re:Disregard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129617)

if we're meant to disregard the message, how can we mod you up, because we won't read your message because of the "please disregard this message" message?

no im confused!

HEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GOOLGE IS DYING (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129584)

Everytime I search for electronics reviews or hardware reviews I get pages full of those stupid spam sites. What happened???

Re:GOOLGE IS DYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129620)

If you're typing goolge then you're probably going to the wrong site. You want Google [booble.com] instead.

Re:GOOLGE IS DYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129662)

Blame Jeff Bezos and his piece o trash 1-click patent company for SPAMMING google with those crappy "shopper comparison" sites that are nothing but mirrors of his company's website.

Orkut (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129585)

So are any of you guys members yet?

No-one I know has joined yet and I've not heard much on the net so are there really any members or is it just another conspiracy theory - ie you think it's good therefore you want to join?!?

Re:Orkut (2, Interesting)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129809)

You remind me of the Groucho Marx line (paraphrasing): "I'd never join a group that wanted me as a member."

Re:Orkut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129828)

What I want to know is why they insist upon being so cruel.

Not a member? Join Urkut!

Upon clicking the link, you're taken to a page where you're told to get a friend to invite you.

That's wrong, and makes me not even INTERESTED in becoming a member of Urkut!

The clique click (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130035)

Upon clicking the link, you're taken to a page where you're told to get a friend to invite you.

And with no way to search to see if one of your friends is a member, just so you won't know to be offended if someone you thought was a friend was on the inside and hasn't invited you.

That's wrong, and makes me not even INTERESTED in becoming a member of Urkut!

That is, of course, until one of your friends invites you to click into the clique. That's when the test of your character will take place.

Re:Orkut (1)

bluewee (677282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129903)

I know there is one or two SlashDot Members on the inside, so SHARE THE WEALTH, common there has to be lots of girls there right?

Re:Orkut (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129908)

So are any of you guys members yet?

No, I have real friends.

Re:Orkut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129998)

orkut = computer geek sausage fest

Re:Orkut (5, Funny)

rjelks (635588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130028)

The first rule of Orkut: You do not talk about Orkut.

-

Zip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129590)

Dupe. That's been done. I still don't know how to copy a zip file created by WinXP to a floppy disk. Any ideas? Trust Microsoft to screw it up.

Re:Zip (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129666)

right click, send to -> 3 1/2 floppy A:

not that hard. no really - its quite easy!

Re:Zip (5, Insightful)

DumbWhiteGuy777 (654327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129776)

XP's zipping isn't good. Download 7-zip [7-zip.org] instead. Totally free, no fancy crap, and works great for all kinds of archives. You'll thank me later.

Re:Zip (2, Informative)

pla (258480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129914)

Download 7-zip instead. Totally free, no fancy crap, and works great for all kinds of archives.

I'll second this. Since I started using it, 7z has become my archival tool of choice. Even for creating plain old .zip files, it gets around 10% better compression than anything else out there. And for it own .7z format, you can easily get 33% better, and I've seen more than 10 times better (7z includes solid archive support, one of the features people rave about in RARs (ick!), which for packing a collection of similar files in the same archive, means all of them after the first compress to almost nothing).


And, 7z exists as open source! Can't go wrong with that (unless you work for SCO).


One complaint, though, its GUI really sucks (or at least the last time I reinstalled it did, I haven't checked for a new one in a while). They need to make it behave more like the standard Windows Explorer view (not that I think the world of Windows Explorer, but on a 'doze system, for the most part you can count on "things having to do with files" behaving like it, by default)... Just the standard drag-n-drop behavior would make it 10x easier. But, I use it mostly from the command line anyway (Try doing that with WinZip), so the GUI doesn't bother me all that much.

Re:Zip (3, Informative)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129965)

Just a public sevice announcement,
by going to http://www.winzip.com/wzcline.htm you can add command line support to WINZip.

Not trying to to be a jerk, just wanting to inform people who need to use it (Corporate policies... ewww)

Re:Zip (1)

pla (258480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130065)

Not trying to to be a jerk, just wanting to inform people who need to use it

Not at all! Thank you for that link.

Although I personally have switched to 7z for almost everything, having more tools available for scripting never hurts. And as you mention, in case of a corporate policy restricting people to WZ, those command-line tools may seem like a blessing (I know I would have loved them at my previous job).

Re:Zip (3, Interesting)

allaryin (564427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130022)

Sigh... 7z... I seem to recall having spent no less than two hours trying to decompress one of those on a unix box.

Apparently it works through wine, but nobody's thought enough of the format to actually port it, despite the windows code being open.

Re:Zip (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130041)

I use it mostly from the command line anyway (Try doing that with WinZip)

WinZip Command Line Support [winzip.com]

The Zip Rip (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129591)

PKWare deserves whatever bad happens to it. I remember when there was one standard compression: "arc". "PK" got caught pirating and selling the "arc" code, and rather than rectify matters, they created a perversely incompatible standard instead.

Re:The Zip Rip (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130019)

Oh look, how cute. A bitter old SEA employee.

And now for the truth: the .zip format wasn't "perversely incompatable." It was intentionally different from .arc because SEA didn't like PKWare making interoperable software. So PK made .zip and released the specs and declared that it's ok if anyone wants to be compatable.

hello. this is a flood. (-1)

penis fish (671987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129593)

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HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129595)



However I am confused as to what I should do next. Please advise!

Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129643)

gently bend it back under you until the head almost reaches your anus (that is if your penis is long enough for this, otherwise, I can't help you).

once there, using a liberal amount of pressure, force it past your sphincter.

then you will ahve successfully fucked yourself!

Please keeop us posted on your exploits.

Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129740)

Why don't you take your fucking cock and shove it up this guys ass? Please keep me posted.

Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129839)

feeling sexually frustrated are you?

Re:HELP! I AM HOLDING MY ERECT PENIS IN MY HAND (-1, Offtopic)

wganz (113345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129843)

Simple. Grab a pair of scissors in the other hand & cut it off.

Please?! (1, Funny)

bluewee (677282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129599)

Will someone invite me...?

Re:Please?! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129891)

and me? Who do you have to screw in Google to get invited?

Re:Please?! (0)

xoran99 (745620) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130024)

I'm forming my own Friendster-type service. I'll call mine Society. All you have to do to join is GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GO TALK TO SOMEONE. :P

Re:Please?! (1)

Raven15 (152175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130101)

What's the URL to join?

Slow week then. (0, Redundant)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129601)

What about this new type of matter [bbc.co.uk] ? That's interesting.

Re:Slow week then. (2, Funny)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129710)

H2G2?

Re:Slow week then. (1)

nexex (256614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129854)

Yea how about that [slashdot.org]

Re:Slow week then. (1)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130029)

OK, sorry. Thanks for pointing that out.

No Stranegberry content in Anonymous Joe's link (2, Informative)

winkydink (650484) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129602)

Nice write-up on Netflix, but nothing really earth-shattering there either.

What about infozip? (4, Interesting)

phr1 (211689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129605)

Will the new "secure" zip format be published so other implementations can use it? There's the old pkzip "password" feature that infozip implments, that's deliberately weak because of the old export controls, but that doesn't count.

So who seeds Orkut (5, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129614)

There is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation about a meeting-place where membership is by invitation (can't you tell I'm not one of the exalted :-)

It would be interesting to see what the demographic of the initial seed population was - and to see whether that influenced the community over time... As any fule know, the initial conditions can have a profound impact on any time-dependent phenomena :-)

Simon

Re:So who seeds Orkut (1)

MatthewB79 (47875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129731)

They probably select a demographic that would cling to the novelty of it. If your not a clique-type socialite who values an online tool to "create a closer and more intimate network of friends" then I guess Orkut isn't interested in you. Alternately, you probably aren't interested in it.

Spammer's Paradise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129960)

I can already see the tons of spam sent out with the "Invitation to Join Orkut" header. If the Orkut hype reaches moderate levels, a lot of people will open the email. Combined with the nasty worms of the last week, many people will open attachments.

Thanks Orkut. Thanks Spammers. Thanks Russian spammers posing as script kiddies.

Re:So who seeds Orkut (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129748)

I know...I should read the article...or maybe other posts about this, but isn't this kind of like the "white lists" I have in my IM's?

Re:So who seeds Orkut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129788)

Also, given the invitation-only nature, wouldn't it be possible to totally tear the friendship network apart once you get invited.? I mean assuming you're invited by email and you can invite as many users as you want. It wouldn't be "trusted" for very long unless people are held liable for damages if the lose thier password or give it away.

Re:So who seeds Orkut (1)

back_pages (600753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129840)

It's an interesting question. I'd put my dollah on the hypothesis that the clique gravitates toward a more mainstream population as time goes on. I mean, everytime someone invites somebody that isn't 100% part of the clique, he probably starts a pyramid scheme of inviting people who are more general public and less elite.

But hey, I could be wrong. That's where my money is, though. Anyway, somebody invite me. I want to share my bad ass music interests and engage in enlightened conversations with.. uh.. internet people. *smacks irc* DOWN BOY!

Re:So who seeds Orkut (1)

dracvl (541254) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130069)

Well, I'm a member (big deal, right ;), and the definite majority is computer and tech people, but most of them seem to have good social connections too. So no surprise there.

Re:So who seeds Orkut (1)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130093)

Do we not already have enough ways to communicate with people via the internet?

I mean, if Google is netting millions in their shiney new method, kudos. The FOAF-factor going on here is interesting, but I'm guessing this is going to be a wash-out into simple oblivion any day now, because FOAFs are interesting "Oh, you know monkeyspanker as well!?" but it doesn't carry that far.

If people are open to meeting online, then personals, chat, IRC, blogs, BBS's, Listservs, meetups, clans, MMPORGs, user groups, and the myriads of marketing based events (conventions, openings, book signings, political events) are already a enough? NO! We must also jump into this! well, there's plenty of chatheads to partition into little camps, so away it goes...

Holy cow, so now can I connect my Friendster people to my Orkut people? OH no! Bleed over! Suddenly, we've mapped a lot of spurious relationships. A buddy told me to sign into Friendster, so I did. I wrote a pithy opinion and never went back. At a certain point, it's akin to organizing your photos over and over.

Re:So who seeds Orkut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130121)

There is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation about a meeting-place where membership is by invitation

Ha! That's what they said about the vast right wing conspiracy, and look how it's grown!


Hoping nobody mods me "insightful"...

Orkut has no focus (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130128)

I don't know about Orkut, it somewhat feels clinched together and I miss a true focus on what TO DO there - just like friendster. I like "business social networks" such as Ryze [ryze.com] and openBC [openbc.com] much better because they try to concentrate on a specific audience and cater to their specific needs.

Ryze seems to be lost in a tide of MLM scamsters, though. You cannot escape those loons there, MLM everywhere even if the Ryze AUP says otherwise. At least on openBC, they actually kick spammers and MLM recruiters from the system. I also like that openBC is a European site. It somehow feels like they really thought on how to make it attractive for non-American users, as well. Ryze is very poorly designed compared to that.

I miss such features in Orkut. Their growth is impressive, but what for if there is no actual use for it?

Translation (0)

bluewee (677282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129623)

Did anyone ever Translate the guys site about the Strangeberry?

Selling legal documents? (0, Redundant)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129625)

Doesn't he need those for something???

Re:Selling legal documents? (3, Informative)

Kilka (694154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129646)

Had you read the post you would have noticed that he's got two copies, one of which he is keeping for himself.

-Kilka

two copies (4, Insightful)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129701)

He received them in duplicate, and he's only auctioning one copy. That said, I'd auction 'em both; the price is at $3,751.00 with more than seven days remaining!

Am I the only one... (2, Funny)

cliffy2000 (185461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129634)

...who associates the name "Orkut" with the Hanna-Barbera Smurfs ripoff, "The Snorks"? ...I loved that show.

Salt Lake City Orcs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129681)

I thought OrkUT was a reference to the Uruk-Hai of Utah (yes, the place where they are allowed to marry more than one goblin)

Is a "copy" the same as a "duplicate original"? (4, Interesting)

Nakito (702386) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129635)

I read the description of Mike Rowe's auction on Ebay. He says that he is auctioning "the WIPO book with the 25-page letter I received from Microsoft's lawyers on January 14/2004," but then says, "I have two copies of these and I will be keeping one for my own personal memoirs." So -- is the subject of the auction a true original? Did Microsoft serve a duplicate set of originals on the same guy? Or is he just selling a copy that he made? If I bought that letter, I would want to see blue ink on the signature line.

Re:Is a "copy" the same as a "duplicate original"? (1)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129713)

Well it's currently on $3751, so I hope he's not selling a copy! Otherwise there's gonna be one pissed off eBayer sending Mike Rowe some legal documents of his own!

Re:Is a "copy" the same as a "duplicate original"? (2, Insightful)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129762)

I wouldn't count on a signature. That's the original Jan 14th agreement MS sent him--one copy for him, one for them perhaps? He didn't sign it, and then MS offered to throw in an Xbox, the trip, MSCE course, etc. (I wonder if the text of the agreement he did sign has or will be made public?)

If the bidding doubles a couple times, he'll be making more than the $10,000 he wanted in the first place. Hmm, maybe in 30 years, he'll buy them?

Re:Is a "copy" the same as a "duplicate original"? (1)

Nakito (702386) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129838)

one copy for him, one for them perhaps?

That's a good thought and it had not occured to me. It could be an interesting insight into Microsoft's approach to perceived violations: maybe they always send two sets of proposed settlement papers right off the bat, and if you cave in, then you just sign one set and send it right back, and keep the other set for yourself. Since he ultimately reached another agreement, he would indeed have two duplicate original sets if that is the case.

Zip is old school (0)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129639)

I am sorry but zip is one of those things that has been around too long. Ace, rar, bzip2... now that's what M$ should support straight out of the box.

Re:Zip is old school (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129712)

Hey kid. "Old school" is good. It means "it works." Generally, it's not a good idea to fix what's not broken.

Re:Zip is old school (1)

redhat421 (620779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129898)

Well I would definitely agree that ZIP works, I would also say that gzip, and bzip are used all the time and also work. On top of that rar, gzip, and bzip achieve better compression ratios.

But what I really find interesting is where the line is on bundling software. I use OSS on my desktop, but I see that Microsoft is going to start bundling a compression program. This seems like a utility that belongs in the base system. But a media player, which also seems to make sense, should not be bundled.

Oh well.

Re:Zip is old school (1)

gkuz (706134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129792)

ZIP is free. RAR isn't. Big difference.

Re:Zip is old school (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129886)

but RAR is Free*

Re:Zip is old school (2, Interesting)

DraconPern (521756) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129904)

You forgot LHA.

Re:Zip is old school (2, Interesting)

WuphonsReach (684551) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130131)

I used LHArc for at least a few years straight during the BBS days, back prior to Info-Zip's Zip/UnZip programs.

I imagine that someone still has a working version of it, although I've long since convered everything to ZIP for doing archives. (Might switch to BZip2, might not...)

Frankly, the "secure archive" in PkZip/WinZip is usless to me because I'd rather use an open-source tool like GPG to encrypt.

Re:Zip is old school (2, Funny)

molafson (716807) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130016)

I am sorry but zip is one of those things that has been around too long. Ace, rar, bzip2...

Argh, ACE was the worst! Simply because there was no need for it. RAR already existed to distribute multipart binaries (i.e. warez). But for a while it was the case that any warez you would download would consist of ZIP files inside RAR files inside ACE files. WTF?

These days I prefer Apple's DMG.

High ebay bid (1, Informative)

digital bath (650895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129650)

Wow. The highest bid on the cease and desist letter is currently $3,751.00. Not bad.

Re:High ebay bid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129825)

Put anything up for sale on eBay and announce it on Slashdot, and be sure to see a lot of idiots bidding, not really sure what they'll use it for.

I suppose, based on the extreme current bid, this item qualifies in my group of weird things I found on eBay. Among other items, there are: Absolutely nothing (at five bucks), a string tossed into a tree and left for ten years (twenty bucks), a nickle, ...

eBay does really attract the nuts with too much money on their hand and no hobby - all we need now is guard dogs and a bunch of officers to take them down once they reveal themselves.

Re:High ebay bid (1)

bluewee (677282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129888)

1. Post ebay auction on SlashDot
2. ....
3. PROFIT!!!!

Business plan (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130026)

1) Annoy Microsoft (or other high-profile company).
2) Get sent a cease-and-desist letter.
3) Sell it on E-bay.
4) PROFIT!

The best Zip on Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129660)

Is 7-Zip [7-zip.org] .

thoughts (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129672)

What's wrong with gunzip, tar?

Have you ever tried to extract a single file from a gzip'ed tar archive? It's not possible without unpacking everything and throwing away the bits that you don't want.

Nokia to port Python to Mobiles, not Perl

Yay! This makes *much* more sense. Python rocks and is perfectly suited for portable devices on small devices, hence the successful PalmOS port.

Orkut - Funny name, well-executed idea.

Urm.. it's been a very badly executed idea if they've had to shut it down already because of hacking. Then there are the disgruntled reports from users that think it's completely pointless. It's only popular because Google is - they could have sneezed and everybody would have noticed.

Re:thoughts (1)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129757)

have you ever tried to extract a single file from a gzip'ed tar archive? It's not possible without unpacking everything and throwing away the bits that you don't want.

tar -xzf tarfile.tgz path/to/thefileyouwant

Re:thoughts (2, Informative)

random_static (604731) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129906)

tar -xzf tarfile.tgz path/to/thefileyouwant

that does unpack everything only to throw away all but the file you wanted, though. try unpacking only the middle-most file in the kernel source tarball, see how long it takes.

of course, zip has to put up with (very marginally) worse compression because each file is compressed individually to solve this problem. also, tarballs can be treated as streams since all the metadata is interleaved in with the files - a zip has all the directory data in dedicated portions of the file, which means you might have to seek backwards in certain situations. that, of course, is not always possible in some of the situations where a tarball will still work for ya.

Re:thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130103)

If you want that behaviour, gzip all the files you want to put in the tar and THEN pack them. :P

Re:thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130030)

Actually it is a VERY well executed idea. They got so many things right that Friendster stumbles over.

The security issues are a seperate matter - they're not suprising though. After I found that I'm 4 degrees of seperation away from Orkut (the person, not the service) I was suprised to find his home address openly available in his profile. Sounds like a very open kind of guy created a very open service.

Did Google hit the social network bulls-eye? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129702)

They haven't let me in, so I suspect the answer is yes.

Bytecode my interpreter! (2, Funny)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129735)

OK, So we are deciding that running interpreted languages on a byte-code interpreting virtual machine is a good use of a phone right?
I need to go write a JVM in BASIC now (if it hasn't been done already) so that when I have kids, they can see what games under 6000fps look like.

Re:Bytecode my interpreter! (1)

uberchicken (121048) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129805)

Luddite. You're at the wrong site.

Re:Bytecode my interpreter! (1)

DroidBiker (715045) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130005)

I had the same reaction. Actually it looks like the development tools were done in Java (yay, they'll run poorly everywhere!). There's no mention of how the actual Mobile Basic environment works on the phone. I doubt if it's a BASIC VM on top of a JVM. That just doesn't make sense!.

Damn that silver... or lack of it (2, Insightful)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129804)

I ran out and bought a full box of silver-less paste at CompUSA (and yes, I got the CompUSA) label on it. My attorney is filing a "false advertisement" suit against them on Monday. I figure if everyone else can get "sue happy" then so can I. Maybe I'll get to retire early.

Re:Damn that silver... or lack of it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129933)

Your attitude is awful. What are you doing here?

why? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129979)

i can't believe you'd deal with a lawyer just to get money.

Hum... (0)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129807)

As I have some karma to burn, I will ask this question that has been running in my head for a while now. I might look like an idiot, but what is a Slashback?

Re:Hum... (1)

linc_s (653782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129861)

A slashback is where they go back over previous articles and post updates, errata etc.

Re:Hum... (2, Informative)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129863)

While I am burning my karma .....
Slashback is a general summary of the last few days/weeks top stories that have a followup. Kinda like the update tag on FARK.com, but compressed into one stories heading.

Re:Hum... (4, Funny)

momerath2003 (606823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129892)

You don't even have to read the article to pick this up:

"Slashback tonight brings you updates and corrections from recent and ongoing stories..."

That's all it is.

Python (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129810)

I don't see how Python figures into this. Surely they aren't going to layer a BASIC interpreter on top of Jython on top of the JVM. That seems like a horrendously poor use of resources for an embedded system with limited power and hardware volume.

Zip's real problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129858)

It should have never been implemented with lossy compression.

Invitation (0, Offtopic)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129867)

hi guyz
i am really cool lol :D

plz invite me kthx

3>3>3>3>3>3>3>3>

Re:Invitation (1)

dirgotronix (576521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130023)

one wonders exactly how many invitations you're going to recieve as a result of this post.

anyway, here's one from me. you're welcome!

Stupid Guy Asks... (1)

ewhac (5844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129913)

What is XSS (Cross-Site Scripting), and what about it can be used to compromise site security?

Schwab

Re:Stupid Guy Asks... (3, Insightful)

MooseGuy529 (578473) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130080)

Cross-site scripting is when you create a form on your web page which targets a page on another site. An example of cross-site scripting used appropriately is when you insert a Google search box on your page. The search form sends the query to Google, not your site, so it's cross-site.

The problem comes when people create deceptive forms that get the user to do bad things, or create forms that blatently allow the user to do something they shouldn't.

Someone can easily post links and more information and make some karma off of this post...

Python to go; what about /.? (0, Offtopic)

ChiralSoftware (743411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129927)

When are we going to be able to read /. on our mobiles? /. seems to be everyone (ok, all the /. readers') favorite way to waste time, and what better than to be able to waste time all the time, even when you're not at a computer? If any /. editors are reading this and want to try out some software to help in the task, please drop me an email.

Google and cross-site scripting (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8129961)

As amazing as it sounds, Google don't really pay that much attention to web technologies. They may have some pretty impressive clustering, database and analysis technologies, but the way they apply web technologies such as HTML and HTTP is lacking.

For a start-off, their website isn't even valid HTML. If they moved some of the presentation details to CSS, they could lop a massive chunk of bandwidth off their bill and take some of the load off their servers and speed up access to their site. I don't know what they are paying at the moment, but it's bound to be significant.

Their spidering technologies only half implement HTTP. For instance, they ignore the content-type header, favouring the file extension instead. The only other software that I have heard of being that broken in terms of HTTP is Internet Explorer.

Their ranking algorithms pay a little attention to the HTML structure (e.g. they rank keywords in <h1> elements highly), but then they comlpetely ignore other significant markup, or screw it up, like definition lists.

So they didn't understand the rules for escaping special characters in HTML. It doesn't come as a surprise, cross-site scripting attacks bite many people who haven't paid attention to the HTML specifications.

It's a shame, because so many people bend over backwards to get ranked highly in Google, that if Google actually tried to use HTML and HTTP properly, it would cause loads of people to write higher-quality HTML overnight.

Strange irony (3, Interesting)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8129971)

In a strange twist of irony, he states that he will not accept bids from zero feedback bidders, yet he himself has zero feedback. Sorry bud, but I don't buy from zero feedback sellers, although serious sellers may email me with their intentions...

Re:Strange irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130051)

Um. He was in the papers and on TV. When you've got those mad credz...

Catch-22? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8130054)

I am unfamiliar with eBay. If a significant chunk of eBay users won't do business with users with zero feedback, how does a bidder or seller become no longer zero feedback?

Zip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8130031)

Why exactly do we want proprietary encryption in an open file format? If people encode with pkzip, it will require a commercial product to read. PK is simply doing this to try to eliminate the free competition. Since PK created the zip format it really can't be called a standard, but it has became one. Winzip's, being open source, can be implemented everywhere... but there is no guarantee that the file is encoded in that format. Since they will read each others' files, users will see no difference.
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