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Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140903)

Micro$hit is teh suck0rs

Re:Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140944)

What is the difference between an American and a piece of bird-shit? Bird-shit doesn't scream as it falls 140 storeys.

Re:Linux? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141175)

You would be funny, if they changed the definition of the word to "fucking retarded". Why don't you do the world a favor and drink a bullet?

Re:Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141206)

Quite a large percentage of those who died in the WTC were non-American, assclown.

Wow (1, Funny)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140904)

I had no idea Microsoft used Macs. I guess this means they are giving up on Windows.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141041)

Yes, they must not believe in their OS if they don't force the MBU developers to use Windows. ;)

Re:Wow (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141117)

If I were Bill Gates, I could probably afford a Mac too.

Who cares!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140905)

Third!!!

Mac users are homosexuals (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140907)

They make the guys at my local LUG look straight.
Not that I ever attended a meeting.
Honest.

Re:Mac users are homosexuals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140988)

MS, as an equal opportunity employer, have to put the homos somewhere. Hence the MBU.

Re:Mac users are homosexuals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141093)

Your LUG may be straight, but you still suck each other's dicks, right? That's what most people who belong to UGs do.

looks like (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140909)

first post for me

isn't it awesome how sun is coming back? serious linux desktop, opteron servers, huge increase in SPARC sales last quarter and the best revenues in 2 years

too bad everyone thinks they're dying.

sadasd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140913)

asd

wow (5, Funny)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140917)

They make software for macs and have a mac business unit. I hope someone can get some shots of macs being unloaded from a truck.

Re:wow (4, Funny)

wed128 (722152) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140948)

Nah...that might reveal the location of one of microsoft's unloading platforms...any employee would be fired for an offense so great...

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140964)

That has got to be the most bastardized use of that quote ever in your sig.

Like this? (2, Interesting)

justMichael (606509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141030)

Re:Like this? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141118)

Yes, that's the joke. Thank you for that.

[OT] Liberals sig? (1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141034)

If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart; if you're still a liberal at 30 you have no brain.

You forgot the last part... If you still think there's a difference between liberal and conservative politicians at 40, you're brainwashed :-o..

John F--ing Kerry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141072)

For over 30 years, Kerry's primary occupation has been stalking lonely heiresses. Not to get back to his war experience, but Kerry sees a room full of wealthy widows as "a target-rich environment." This is a guy whose experience dealing with tax problems is based on spending his entire adult life being supported by rich women. What does a kept man know about taxes? Kerry is like some character in a Balzac novel, an adventurer twirling the end of his mustache and preying on rich women. This low-born poseur with his threadbare pseudo-Brahmin family bought a political career with one rich woman's money, dumped her, and made off with another heiress to enable him to run for president. If Democrats want to talk about middle-class tax cuts, couldn't they nominate someone who hasn't been a poodle to rich women for past 33 years?

Re:wow (1)

strateego (598207) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141178)

In an employee video shown at an event last year, they recounted with pride such tales as the colleague who broke up with a girlfriend who bought a Windows PC.

They must be slashdotters. Very sad, very sad indeed.

GM to VW as Mac to Linux (5, Interesting)

trolman (648780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140922)

"Far from it. But as one observer put it, it's as if they were working for a division of General Motors making parts for Volkswagens." I predict that this will be repeated when Linux is mainstream on the desktop.

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (2, Interesting)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140965)

Talking of Linux, I read

Microsoft, for example, was one of the first major software developers to support Apple's Mac OS X, moving quickly to release a version of Mac Office when OS X was still new
and wondered if Microsoft were thinking of another *nix system...

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

Kupek (75469) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141028)

Hmm. Clever. That's vacuously true.

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

pbox (146337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141079)

Would you venture to affix a year to this prediction? Which year do you think Microsoft will open the Linux Business Unit?

I'd say, 2006.

Post reply with your prediction!

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

trolman (648780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141115)

Yep. I will pony up the prediction.

Now.

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

neko9 (743554) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141163)

2008

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141220)

I predict that they will open the Linux BU 2 years after Linux has made Microsoft totally irrelevent.

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141138)

The only problem is that that statement belies a complete ignorance of the economics and corporate ties of the auto industry.

GM, Ford, Volkswagon, Honda, Toyota, etc, all make parts for "competitors."

It's called doing business and making a profit. What does GM care if the motor they're making money on has someone elses label on the hood?

What does Microsoft care if office is running on a Mac as long as they get the same cut they would if it were running under Windows?

Either way they derive profit, market share and mind share.

KFG

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (1)

trolman (648780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141173)

Think E.U. [eu.int]

Re:GM to VW as Mac to Linux (2)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141222)

Indeed, there is a good deal of legal and political power, as well as economic, from having vassel "competitors."

One aspect of that power is to economically cross political and legal boundries where you would otherwise be forbidden or constrained in some manner.

Another is to simply maintain the illusion of competition.

KFG

NOOO!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140923)

DO yourselves a favor! Don't EVER get married!! Especially after you have kids, the bitch thinks she doesn't ever have to give you anything anymore. You won't have sex for fucking MONTHS!!! I HATE this shit! Stupid fucking women anyway!

Re:NOOO!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140973)

I heard that after the divorce, it would have been cheaper to just get a hooker every time you had sex

Re:NOOO!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141031)

What the hell did you expect? You're probably a geek and there's NO FUCKING WAY that women marry you to have sex with you. She must have been desperate for some reason and certainly had a hidden agenda. Why is this so hard to predict?

I mean, I think with my dick a lot, too, but I'd never marry for Christ's sake!

Re:NOOO!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141052)

LOL, Is that you, cato?? LMAO

amazing (1, Funny)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140926)

..they recounted with pride such tales as the colleague who broke up with a girlfriend who bought a Windows PC.

that guy definitely does not read /.

well, maybe he does now

Re:amazing (not really) (5, Funny)

Rockin' Az (315143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141018)

that guy definitely does not read /.

well, maybe he does now

The guy's a Mac user...he can get another girlfriend

Re:amazing (not really) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141130)

mod parent up :D

Re:amazing (not really) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141135)

The guy's a Mac user...he can get another girlfriend

No doubt. If he can afford a Mac, he can afford to replace his real doll [realdoll.com] .

Guh (-1, Troll)

djpandemonium (745554) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140927)

Well one department of micr0soft has admitted to using macs.. i wonder how many employees actualy run windows

analogy (4, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140928)

The best analogy I can come up with is...

Microsoft's muscular Herculean right arm has no idea what its tiny, flubbering nub of a left hand is doing.

Now imagining this congealing beast of a company with the head of Steve Ballmer gives me an interesting image. Kind of like the Trapper Keeper blob from South Park.

Re:analogy (1)

diersing (679767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140969)

Cept naturally that the article was an easy read that didn't require an anology at all, if you wish to visualize a story feel free. But that doesn't mean we want to hear about it.

Re:analogy (2, Funny)

Bob C. Cock (605290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141027)

Microsoft's muscular Herculean right arm has no idea what its tiny, flubbering nub of a left hand is doing.

Now imagining this congealing beast of a company with the head of Steve Ballmer gives me an interesting image. Kind of like the Trapper Keeper blob from South Park.


Actually I think he would look more like this guy. [homestarrunner.com]

Mac Business Unit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140933)

Wow, Microsoft is going to monopolize the Mac Business [mcdonalds.com] too?

Re:Mac Business Unit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140998)

No, Macs haven't been profitable for anyone. Microsoft has to continue to release its Office suite for Mac in order to keep Mac a viable competitor.
Of course that says a lot about the open source community with their "Open Office" and whatnot. Not even Mac faggots will touch it.
Some machine you can't even effectively upgrade without voiding the warranty forcing you to continue to invest in mediocre, overpriced, proprietary hardware will be obsolete and irrelevant to computing moreso without Microsoft's continued investment and pandering due to pressure from the government.
As for the slob who dumped his girlfriend because she purchased a PC he must be an idiot or discovered the joys of man-on-man fellatio. To dump a woman for her choice in computers or because she decides to violate your faggot vegan conduct that you ludicrously feel must be imposed on any individual who draws breath deserves a vicious mouth raping followed by an appropriately grotesque murder.
You dump women because they're whining dipshits who only want your money or won't fucking put out after thirty days. Never for an operating system or platform.

Yeah, but... (0, Offtopic)

jacobdp (698004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140935)

Do they run Linux?

Oh well, it was worth a shot...

Wowzers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140937)

Here's a dime. Call somebody who cares.

Something to think about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140940)

When you visit [4chan.net] the zoo [4chan.net] next time.
--
Kind Regards,
Ashley

Needs presentation skills (2, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140942)

I witnessed the MBU's section of Job's keynote speech this year. You can too [apple.com] , should you have both Quicktime and be a masochist.

How shall we put this? Their spokesperson could do with just a tad more charisma. Or to be rather more honest, several swimming pools' worth of extra charisma...

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Needs presentation skills (2, Informative)

gobbo (567674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140997)

To be fair to them, they didn't have much to present. Wow, Excel is finally going to be reasonable at printing, and you can record audio and stick it in a text file. The muted response from the crowd was hilarious, though... most people were probably sitting there thinking "why isn't Apple sending an in-house development team to OO.org?"

At least installing MSOffice on the Mac is dead-simple, they got that right.

Re:Needs presentation skills (4, Interesting)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141038)

My guess is that the guys at Apple think office:mac is good enough for now and they would rather spend their money replacing shitty software (IE) and working on crazy new things for iLife (like GarageBand). I'm sure eventually appleworks will become a version of oo.org, but its not as big a priority as things that would make people actually switch to the mac. Also, they might be waiting for the OSS community to port oo.org to the aqua interface instead of spending valuable dev time on stuff that will eventually be done anyway.

For the record i use oo.org on a mac and it does a damn good job, imo.

Ho anyone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141046)

And to top it off, her last name is Ho.... /pimp

The best part of the article imho (5, Interesting)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140955)

But the people in the Mac BU take noticeable pride in Office for Mac as a product in its own right, not merely a translation of Windows Office to the Mac operating system. Office 2004 for Mac, for example, includes a number of features not available in the Windows version of Office, such as a "project center" in the Entourage e-mail program that lets users manage in one place a project that involves different types of files.

Project Center? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141168)

In Windows, we call that a folder.

Office for Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8140956)

With Office for Mac development discontinued, I wonder what Apple has up its sleeves. It needs some sort of MS Office replacement, which at the moment it doesn't have.

Re:Office for Mac (4, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140999)

With Office for Mac development discontinued,...

False

...[i]t needs some sort of MS Office replacement, which at the moment it doesn't have.

True, at least in my opinion. Appleworks is stagnant, and hasn't even integrated some standard OS X features yet. Realtime spell-checking comes to mind, I'm fairly sure I was doing that using 1st Word Plus on an 8Mhz Atari ST 512k more than ten years ago...

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Office for Mac (3, Insightful)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141056)

Methinks Appleworks will eventually become a version of openoffice, but only after the OSS community ports it to aqua. Apple feels like its dev time would be better speant on stuff like iLife that may make people actually switch to the mac, which a decent version of appleworks won't as MS office is pleanty good enough, even if apple doesn't profit off it directly.

Re:Office for Mac (4, Funny)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141102)

"Realtime spell-checking comes to mind, I'm fairly sure I was doing that using 1st Word Plus on an 8Mhz Atari ST 512k more than ten years ago..."

Back in my day real time spell-checking was your cousin sitting next to you with a Speak 'n' Spell, keeping pace at 35 WPM!

try bread and butter (2, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140963)

from the oil-and-water dept

More like "from the bread-and-butter-dept". Microsoft's Macintosh division is one of its most profitable, and a profit-making division at Microsoft is getting be something of a rarity what with the company loosing money through the nose in countless divisions. In fact, I believe there's only one division more profitable- the OS division.

That's one of the reasons for the symbolic deal a few years back where MS bought $150M in Apple stock(by the way, that's not even a fraction of Apple's CASH reserves, so sit down all you "MS bailed out Apple" morons) and committed on paper to releasing Office for the next however many years(and to do so on the Mac first, as has always been the case).

Re:try bread and butter (2, Insightful)

-tji (139690) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141181)

It may be profitable, because they have very low marketing expenses for Mac products (do they market them at all?).

But, I'm sure it's a rounding error in the revenue picture. In that realm, MS is dominated by the OS and Office money manking monopolies.

--

That's doubtful.. The OS and Office divisions are the cash cows for Microsoft. There is no way the Mac group is more profitable than the Office group.

--
More like "from the bread-and-butter-dept". Microsoft's Macintosh division is one of its most profitable, and a profit-making division at Microsoft is getting be something of a rarity what with the company loosing money through the nose in countless divisions. In fact, I believe there's only one division more profitable- the OS division.

So its like... (4, Funny)

rffmna (734875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140971)

Communisits practicing Capatilism? wait -- is it the other way around?

Re:So its like... (1)

memco (721915) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141021)

Capitalism practicing communists? ...

Re:So its like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141160)

Well, you only have to reverse the subject and object of the sentence....in Soviet Russia.

Macs have a purpose (2, Insightful)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140976)

I don't see why people are all surprised and start making jokes when they find out that Microsoft Corporation owns a few dozen Apple computers.

Surprise surprise -- Apples are largely the top-rated boxes for computer graphics and animation. And I'm sure some of that goes on at Microsoft, even if only in the human resources, marketing, and administrative departments.

Microsoft's a big company and makes decision based on how they help the company's bottom line. And Macs are great with certain tasks, so why not use them?

The fact that they have a business unit should be no surprise to those of us who actually have jobs and work for a software company! ;-)

Re:Macs have a purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141147)

Sorry queernuts. People like to play games and get together not spend countless hours gaussian blurring their balls or making the ultimate compilation of Aria Giovanni videos in quicktime format.
Macs don't have games nor do they have any respectable productivity software. Microsoft and Lunix have both.

Microserfs? (5, Interesting)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140978)

Anyone ever read Coupland's Microserfs? it's a book about ex-microsoft employees who launch a startup.,

All the characters in the book are all envious of the Mac Business Unit within MS, and feel the get all the good gigs.

I used to think this was some sort of Coupland lie justifying the power book he probably wrote the novel on.

Now i think maybe he was right.

Re:Microserfs? (0)

Garabito (720521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141216)

A very good book, sometimes makes me dream about starting a company with my geek friends.

And yes, some characters are kind of Apple fans; altought Coupland points that the corporate culture of both companies is very alike.

Mac Business? (2, Funny)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140985)

Cool, so I can get a job with Microsoft just for macking? I do that in my free time, anyway!

Re:Mac Business? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141001)

Cool, so I can get a job with Microsoft just for macking? I do that in my free time, anyway!

Hence being on slashdot on Friday night.

Re:Mac Business? (1)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141032)

Oh that's good... but it hurts.

Nooo!!! (2, Funny)

Ozone Depletion (738650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140989)

May Microsoft burn in hell for corrupting a Mac!!

Re:Nooo!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141108)

Yah, may all the developers on Office 4.2 for Mac roast in Hell!

That nasty piece of sh.. is slower than Word 1.0 on a 68000 /its me again: pimp

they care... (5, Interesting)

contrasutra (640313) | more than 10 years ago | (#8140995)

The mac team cares about making high quality software. Anyone notice that the Mac versions of Microsoft software is usually better than the Windows counterparts?

So it tells you, MS can make good software, they just have to actually care.

They also fixed the CSS bugs on Mac IE. That just shows you...something. They have a fix for this, but they wont release it for windows. Add your consipiracy theory here.

Re:they care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141011)

IE:Mac was still the worst browser out there for macs...

Re:they care... (1)

hpavc (129350) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141116)

Its so close to being a very good browser, but it seems to fall short in every area critically. Its bizzare standards problems being the worse of them all.

Re:they care... (4, Interesting)

evn (686927) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141210)

Today IE5 for Mac OS is a crumby browser compared to modern offerings such as Apple's Safari, Camino [mozilla.org] /Firebird [mozilla.org] , and OmniWeb [omnigroup.com] but back near the turn of the millennium Internet Explorer 5 for Mac OS was praised far and wide as the best browser EVER for Macintosh systems, and arguably the best browser on any platform.

Here is a review [oreillynet.com] at O'Reilly's Mac Developer Center (which has some geek-credit here) where they praise thinks including:

- Blending into the newly released OS X Aqua look
- The "page holder"
- Font controls
- CSS1/2 support
- PNG Support (which is still broken on windows)
- HTML4 support

Here's one [macworld.com] over at macworld that decries it as the best thing since jesus as far as os x browsers are concerned. IE was very impressive, unfortunately Microsoft let it stagnate which hurt all mac users - choice is good.

Another article [mediamall.com] from 2000 that speaks to the quality of the MacIE.

I'm feeding a troll, but whatever.

Re:they care... (3, Interesting)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141174)

Anyone notice that the Mac versions of Microsoft software is usually better than the Windows counterparts?

with the exception of Outlook (not express) 2001, and any version of Windows Media Player (yes thats what it's called on the mac!) Microsoft software is even some of the best software available for the mac! (i do find myself fighting word and excel a lot though)

interesting, Outlook and WMP aren't products of the MBU, so they are allowed to suck. ;)

Those CSS bug fixes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141197)

Actually annoy me. Why?

Because it means that IE on our intranet is not a common platform to code to anymore. Consequently I have to roll out different CSS sheets because two versions of IE that used to render the same now render differently!

The result of this (among other things) is that now the Macs are being phased out. We tried Mozilla for a while, but it's DHTML support is slightly up the creek if you want to do complex stuff like web-based applications and JavaScript.

So MS Mac guys. Please share your bug fixes in future!

Re:they care... (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141207)

They also fixed the CSS bugs on Mac IE.

Judging from the Mac IE CSS bugs, I'd say that Mac IE uses a completely different CSS engine than Windows IE.

Look here [macedition.com] for a list of CSS bugs that Mac IE has that Windows IE doesn't.

Also, Mac IE has the *worst* javascript implementation of any 5.x+ browser.

All in all, Mac IE should be avoided like the plague.. it's on par with Netscape 4.

Mac Unit, eh? (1)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141004)

So I didn't RTFA, but does the "Mac" Unit take care of business by killing pirates using Ingrams (e.g. Mac-10, Mac-11)? Intriguing. I wonder if Max Payne has already applied for the job...

Roz Ho (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141025)


So when it comes to operating systems. General manager of the Mac Business Unit, Roz Ho is a Ho.

Credit where credit is due, but ... (4, Interesting)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141048)

Office for the Mac starting with Office 98 was a very Mac-like suite of applications (Ignoring the crappy version before that). In fact, Microsoft seemed to work hard to make it as Mac-like as possible, which even some other developers were a little lax at.

Office v.X is really good. Excel is a great application, Word a little less so, PowerPoint tolerable. I'd like to see Entourage made a little more Mac OS X technology-friendly-- e.g., give me the option to use the Mac's Address Book within Entourage. But I think they're still doing a good job overall. The fact that Microsoft supported Quartz so quickly is a great sign. Then, after Microsoft dropped the price of Office v.X after sales were a little dismal showed they were responsive to the market. It goes to show you that when Microsoft has to compete, they can do well.

However, Microsoft doesn't always want to compete -- it's easier to dominate than it is to compete. So when Apple introduced the excellent Safari (and with the success of Camino), Microsoft crumbled like a cookie. The problem is, Internet Explorer was really slow and felt kind of crappy. To this day, whenever you launch it, it bugs you about "making it the default application" while ignoring your request to not display the message again. Not surprisingly, Microsoft killed it (and with it, all Mac compatibility with web designers who insist on designing for Internet Explorer). That action showed the side of Microsoft that all Mac users expect is lurking underneath the shiny, Aqua exterior.

Re:Credit where credit is due, but ... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141145)

Just as a point of reference .. I spoke to the Mac BU @ macworld exp this year about their plans w/ entourage .. that project center is a great idea and asked if they were planning on getting it to work w/ address book .. the dude told me that they were working on that, you could import the addresses and stuff into entourage .... notice, you're not using the address book .. so I asked him if you can export out back to address book ... which made him laugh a bit and he asked me why they'd do something like that ...

too bad ... entourage seems like it could be quite useful.

Re:Credit where credit is due, but ... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141204)

Windows has had a centralized Address Book since Windows 95. Microsoft Outlook can read from this address book, but what's the point any more? Everyone abandoned it.

Start > Run > wab still runs it in Windows XP Pro. It has aged poorly.

Two words... (2, Insightful)

1984 (56406) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141066)

"Aggressor Squadron"

(Yes, yes, it's not for the same thing, I know. Go back to your 'Dew.)

Go Apple! (2, Insightful)

rune.w (720113) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141075)

What I say is that Microsoft should recognize the superiority of the Apple platform. They would probably earn a better reputation if they only developed software for the Mac. They'd probably make MORE moneyb if they developed software in an honest manner.

J.

Re:Go Apple! (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141095)

They'd probably make MORE moneyb if they developed software in an honest manner.

Ahhh, youthful idealism. Charmingly refreshing!

MS on Mac (1)

Pushnell (204514) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141082)

I don't think Mac users have anything to worry about, as far as MS software availability for their platform in the future. MS would find themselves nearly-instantly back in Monopoly court if they announced that they were no longer going to write software for anything but Windows.

I guess they -could- escape that by writing for Linux instead, but I have a feeling that if the only person left in the world using a Mac was Steve Jobs, they'd still have a 10-person MBU.

Yeah right... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141085)

In an employee video shown at an event last year, they recounted with pride such tales as the colleague who broke up with a girlfriend who bought a Windows PC.

The real reason he broke up with his girlfriend was because he woudln't put out.

(yes it's a gay joke. only a faggot would break up over something so gay.)

is that an Oxymoron or is that Irony... (5, Funny)

SPYDER Web (717344) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141106)

Maybe every business has a unit that uses competitors products like Coke has a Pepsi unit and Crest has a unit that brushes their teeth with Aqua Fresh. Its like one big Utopian Free-Market captialist society....

From the it's-been-known-for-a-very-long-time-dept (1)

SubTexel (715118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141111)

Not trying to be a troll (intentionally anyhow), but this has been known for a long time. Why is it so surprising? They even have a Unix department (*GASP*!!).

Re:From the it's-been-known-for-a-very-long-time-d (1)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141132)

Yeah, their special department for eunuchs is called the "choir unit."

Re:From the it's-been-known-for-a-very-long-time-d (1)

maelstrom (638) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141133)

Anyone else remember Internet Explorer for Unix?

Re:From the it's-been-known-for-a-very-long-time-d (1)

Pushnell (204514) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141151)

Yep [techweb.com]

Not only Macs... (1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141120)

[posted anonymously due to my employment at Sun]

Microsoft also uses Sun servers internally. Not for development mind you, but to run their database and email servers. Enterprise 10,000's running iPlanet, exchange simply can't handle the load of 55,000+ users.

Last time I talked with anyone who dealt the MS account, the Sun service guys had to remove their badges and cover up any Sun logos on boxes and packages going into the facility.

For the record, Sun still uses no MS products internally. (other than a few laptops with XP here and there.) Sun really does run on Sun.

-k

Re:Not only Macs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141221)

Of course you kept anonymous, because you're talking bullshit.

Internet mail is handled by a few exchange clusters scattered around the globe, US in Redmond, EU in Dublin and so on.

Database severs? How wonderfully vague you are. If it was truth you'd say what the servers were. There are lots of SQL servers scattered around, quite a few large clusters for web logs, hotmail and so on, and lo, no Sun boxes used.

Sure there's a couple of boxes in labs, in the same way there are macs and linux boxes in labs.

Nice to see Sun FUD.

Ick. (1)

natelr (734929) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141136)

I will admit it. I sometimes feel dirty using Word of my mac. Can't wait for a native install of open office (or an alternative) to roll on out.

Appleworks (1)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141170)

I use Appleworks to make very complicated and elaborate final engineering reports for work. Lots of charts and diagrams. It's like Word minus the features you never really use. Excellent program for, what, 60 bucks nowadays?

Not surprising really... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8141156)

Microsoft have written software ever since the Mac was released in 1984. In fact I believe one of the Office family (was it Word or Excel?) made its GUI debut on the Mac.

While they might have their differences and have even taken each other to court over OS appearance etc, Bill Gates has been quoted as saying something along the lines of 'The Apple Mac is the only other computer system worth writing software for'.

Personally I think the Microsoft Mac team [microsoft.com] write some great software. Nice to see common sense transcending the die-hard zealotry we usually see...

LBU? (0)

borgdows (599861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8141212)

I can't wait for an article on the Microsoft's LBU : Linux Business Unit :D

oh wait.. this is SCO!
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