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Linux Going Mainstream

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the oh-joy dept.

Linux Business 618

Gossi writes "The BBC is carrying an excellent overview of the growing use of Linux, by many different fields. The article says it all, really, and is probably something you should show your Boss."

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another linux going mainstream news (1, Troll)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153401)

is it 1998?

If you read about it in 1998 (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153468)

...I'm quite sure you read about Linux becoming a mainstream server OS. A main-stream general purpose OS is something completely different.

Kjella

Re:If you read about it in 1998 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153486)

No, back in 1998 we read about Linux taking over EVERYTHING. There were a few reasonable people who limited that to merely servers, but they usually got modded down for proclaiming anything less than total world domination in anything less that 2 years.

LUNIX IS TEH SUCKY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153402)

You cocksmoking fags. FP BTW

-- Darl McBride

*n?x sucks! fsck you! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153404)

Windows XP is the r0x3r

Government, yup (4, Interesting)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153405)


Linux is also proving popular in the public sector. Governments like the idea of not paying a proprietary vendor huge licensing fees for years and years.

So true. Running [cougaar.org] on [ultralog.net] Linux [semwebcentral.org] baby! [mtechit.com]

Re:Government, yup (5, Interesting)

The Slashdotted (665535) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153493)

It's interesting to note the similarities between the desires of governments and small businesses. Right now, as a Linux newb, I've set up SmoothWall and Red Hat on old computers in a back room. The owner's only demands are that it be near free (as in beer), and it be customizable. With CUPS and OpenOffice out of the box, I can type basic memos. I can hardly wait for OSSuite to come out with the next release (I need product attributes), and he'll be ready for the future on some Pentium 2s

Re:Government, yup (5, Funny)

SpookyFish (195418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153577)

Sure, old news, but the truly amazing, out of this world, "oh my god" thing about this -- The government actually WANTS to be thrifty with OUR tax money??!

Oh, wait, no, they just want to spend that money on more beaurocrats and $1000 screwdrivers.

Ah, well.

Which is better: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153414)

a) Linux going mainstream

OR...

b) Sex with a mare?

b) sex with a mare.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153457)

.....'nuff said.

Nevermore (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153416)

On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have flown before. Then the bird said, 'Batman touched my junk liberally'

Linux going mainstream? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153417)

Oh no... I've got to start hating it now. Once common people like something, I can't like it, or I'll lose my elitist status. Hrm, what's a good obscure OS? BeOS isn't around anymore... maybe OpenBSD?

Re:Linux going mainstream? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153518)

No, we shall all start using the HURD now.

Join us.

BeOS is the Britney Spears of OSen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153612)

BeOS isn't obscure enough, you have a whole following at OSNews [osnews.com] . No, maybe Plan-9 or HURD, of those that more than 1000 people know about.

EARLY POST FOR AAoGN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153419)

I WIN IT.. in teh name of the AAoGN, the American Association of Gay Niggers(R)

I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153426)

I mean, if you read /., you would think its been mainstream for at least five years.

(FYI...its not even close)

People will buy Apple before they buy Linux.

Re:I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153464)

Pray tell, how exactly does one buy Linux?

Re:I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153581)

At the store. They sell it in boxes.

Re:I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153645)

> Pray tell, how exactly does one buy Linux?

Perhaps by visiting a website such as this one [redhat.com]

Spare us your semantical quibbles, in commonspeak when someone sets out to pay for service/support/extra features/whatever from someone like RHAT they are said to "buy linux".

If thats not good enough for you then go fuck yourself, because I doubt you'll find anyone else who'd be willing.

Re:I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153574)

People will buy Apple before they buy Linux.
Not all people, it depends on the community [macrumors.com] .

Re:I Thought It Went Mainstream Like 3 years ago? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153606)

What r u saying? Apple users are gay or something?

Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (-1, Troll)

Mike Bourna (748040) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153430)


I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional. Unlike most people who spout off at this site, I have the certificates to prove this, and furthermore they're issued by the biggest software company in existence.

I know how to tell facts from marketing fluff. Now, here are the facts as they're found by SEVERAL INDEPENDENT RESEARCH INSTITUTES:

Expenses for file-server workloads under Windows, compared to LinuxOS:
  • Staffing expenses were 33.5% better.
  • Training costs were 32.3% better.


They compared Microsofts IIS to the Linux 7.0 webserver. For Windows, the cost was only:
  • $40.25 per megabit of throughput per second.
  • $1.79 per peak request per second.


Application development and support costs for Windows compared to an opensores solution like J2EE:
  • 28.2% less for large enterprises.
  • 25.0% less for medium organizations.


A full Windows installation, compared to installing Linux, on an Enterprise Server boxen:
  • Is nearly three hours faster.
  • Requires 77% fewer steps.


Compared to the best known opensores webserver "Red Hat", Microsoft IIS:
  • Has 276% better peak performance for static transactions.
  • Has 63% better peak performance for dynamic content.


These are hard numbers and 100% FACTS! There are several more where these came from.

Who do you think we professionals trust more?
Reliable companies with tried and tested products, or that bedroom coder Thorwalds who publicly admits that he is in fact A HACKER???

--
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Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
Free Documentation License".

Re:Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (2, Insightful)

Sinus0idal (546109) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153482)

Oh... my.... god!

Technical professional?!! You are SO unbelievably clueless, I don't even KNOW where to start!!!

I mean, since when has Redhat been a webserver!!!

Those certificates are obviously not worth the paper they're written on!! Next....

YHBT, YHL, HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153507)

Re:Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153573)

YHBT

Re:Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (-1, Troll)

Mike Bourna (748040) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153483)

If you don't agree, then post why you don't agree. When I have spent much of my valuable time on a post I think it's unconstructive to express your disagreement with an unfair "Flamebait" moderation. I do after all probably hold a more qualified opinion on this than the moderator.

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Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;
with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover
Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
Free Documentation License".

"Show your boss"? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153437)

If my boss was so dumb that he didn't know Linux is the only choice for everything - well, he wouldn't be my boss, he would be the janitor.

Re:"Show your boss"? (4, Funny)

sbennett (448295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153508)

If my boss was clever enough to want to use Linux, he wouldn't be my boss, he'd be the janitor.

Re:"Show your boss"? (5, Funny)

glpierce (731733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153520)

"he wouldn't be my boss, he would be the janitor."

Unless you're the assistant janitor, in which case he's both...

Games.... (5, Insightful)

fitten (521191) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153438)

Until Linux is a complete entertainment package as well as a utility package, Linux will be hard pressed to take over the desktop.

With the way games are written these days (requiring massive amounts of time and money), game development will have to undergo some pretty radical changes before it will fit successfully into the OSS model and we continue to have the quality of games we have today.

Of course, the other path is that the PC is removed from the entertainment picture and consoles take over that role completely (woe be that day).

Re: Games.... (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153471)


> Until Linux is a complete entertainment package

Sounds like all the more reason for corporations to adopt it.

Re:Games.... (1)

$calar (590356) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153474)

The Macintosh doesn't have the extensive game library that Windows does and it has a very refined and integrated desktop. Their only problem is that their systems are extremely expensive. Linux is free beer to those interested.

Re:Games.... (4, Funny)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153685)

The Macintosh doesn't have the extensive game library that Windows does and it has a very refined and integrated desktop. Their only problem is that their systems are extremely expensive.
/me briefly wakes up

<...zzzzzzz> <snort> huh? wassup? oh, nuther 'doze fudster.. <yawn> $799 emac [apple.com] <snort> $1099 ibook [apple.com] ... grmbl ... fudspewers are boring ... <yAAAaawn> <zzzzzzz...>

/me falls back asleep out of sheer boredom

Re:Games.... (5, Insightful)

wan-fu (746576) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153495)

Already games have appeared for linux such as ut2k3 and Neverwinter Nights. More and more people see Linux as a viable platform for games (e.g. Doom 3). Games on linux do not have to be OSS nor be based on the OSS model. Just because most linux apps have OSS roots doesn't mean everything on the system itself has to be. There aren't going to be OSS movies any time soon, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to play DVDs on their linux boxes (DeCSS being a whole different topic of course).

Re:Games.... (4, Insightful)

BESTouff (531293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153522)

Of course, the other path is that the PC is removed from the entertainment picture and consoles take over that role completely (woe be that day).

There's no obligation for the game development to fit into the OSS model. Games can continue to be proprietary if they simply intall and run fairly under Linux.

Re:Games.... (4, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153540)

Chicken and egg situation. The *only* reason many games are not released for Linux, is because that market is so much smaller.

Thus, to say that "If only we had Windows-like selection of games, then we'd be ready to take over the world" is sorta self-defating. The games won't come before the people come, and the people, according to you, won't come before the games are already there, thus nothing changes.

Fortunately you're wrong. What happens instead is that every day Linux improves. (with Linux I really mean Linux + the apps) And with every improvement it becomes acceptable for more people. And with every new person who uses it, there's one more reason to consider making a game available also for Linux.

China? (0)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153552)

China wants to use Linux to create its own, home-grown software industry.

How come censorship and linux can go on together?

This question is strange for you? That's why [slashdot.org] I ask. Censorship can go on with windows [slashdot.org] , but with linux?!

Re:Games.... (2, Insightful)

reclusivemonkey (703154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153604)

This all depends on how you define desktop. Most companies probably don't want their employees playing games or watching movies during worktime. IMHO "entertainment" wouldn't warrant very highly on the criteria for most companies' OS needs.

Re:Games.... (2, Insightful)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153620)

With the way games are written these days (requiring massive amounts of time and money), game development will have to undergo some pretty radical changes

Not so fast.

How many games do you know of, that run only on one architecture?

There are a lot of games out there that run on PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox, and PC/Windows... and maybe the occasional Mac port. They're using portability frameworks to make sure they can reach all markets. In some sense, this could mean that the games world is actually ahead of the productivity apps world in making sure they've got portable code out there to work with.

If your game engine is already portable, it's not a monumental effort to make a Linux port available if someone decides there's a reasonable sized market for it.

Re:Games.... (2, Insightful)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153663)

If your game engine is already portable, it's not a monumental effort to make a Linux port available if someone decides there's a reasonable sized market for it. Free speech thrives at UNCENSORED! BBS - http://uncensored.citadel.org [citadel.org]

The problem has to do with support costs more than implementation costs. Having full commercial support is hard enough across the Windows line, throw in Linux with umteen different kernel variants in wide use, different LIBCs, other dependencies and all that stuff and forget about it. You'll never get support for a $50 game when you have all those variables involved.

This may come as a shock to many, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153696)

but there are actualy people using computers for something else than gaming. I know it may sound unbelievebale but companies may actually like it if people don't play the newest fps while at work.

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DEATH TO MICROSOFT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153442)

BBC should start heavily promoting Linux throughout british television. That will help :D

They can sex up the documentary (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153600)

just like they sexed up the WMD news.

This reminds me of Popular Science (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153454)

Anyone else remember those issues that proclaim that "The New Age of the Airship is Upon Us"?

Linux will be mainstream competition in a year. (1, Funny)

Adolph_Hitler (713286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153455)

I predict that within 1-2 years Linux will have equal marketshare with Windows. I also predict that Linux will surpass Longhorn.

Good one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153481)

Hahaha

Do your part! (5, Interesting)

chrispl (189217) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153460)

I carry a variety of flavors of Linux CDs in my car and use live version to show friends and family what they are missing. Suse 9.0 live-eval works great for showing people what this "linux thing" they have read about is.

I do that too (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153478)

I carry a variety of flavors of Linux CDs in my car

I do that too. They make quite a racket when I play them in the Kenwood. However, I've found that with 800 watt sub-woofers, anything can sound quite impressive.

Re:Do your part! (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153672)

I've tried to do a similar thing with people and free CDs. There's been some take up of Linux but not that much - those that have installed it like it but keep a Windows dual boot system, others just can't be bothered to install the CDs in the first place.

The main issue is that because I work in a "techie" industry and most of my close friends work in other techie industries, invariably they get hold of MSDN CDs from their places of work (and from each other) so that they never pay for a Microsoft product anyway. I don't know one of them that's ever paid any money for a piece of Microsoft software.

It'll be interesting to see if there's a change in attitude if and when Microsoft make products that cannot be pirated but, at the moment, my friends and colleagues see no reason to learn something new and legally free when they're already using stuff that's "illegally free".

I think they're a little "tunnel-visioned" but can't say I blame them for not switching to Linux, under those circumstances...

Makes up for their recent writeup on SCO (5, Interesting)

Heggsy (55536) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153466)

This ons still makes me slightly cross:

Earlier BBC story [bbc.co.uk]

Still, I suppose that the latest story is written by someone who has Clue. I'm told that they exist, even at the BBC.

it must be a lie - the BBC said it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153473)

And Hutton proved the government was right to call them liars.
I trust Blair - dont you?

I trust Blair (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153499)

I trust Blair. He had the courage to say what exactly what was happening in Iraq, and had the courage to take the correct steps to solve the problem. He got a lot of grief from Saddam Hussein and his servants the French.

not so suprising (5, Insightful)

LadyMayhem (720913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153479)

I'm 15 and have been using linux for a little over a year...people in the k-12 school system are starting to get a grasp on the bennifits of open source. It really is the best option for so many people and with the newest distros of Mandrake (what i use) make it incrediabily simple to do most anything graphically. With a little bit of help even people like my grandmother (who could never even minimize windows) can do as much on linux as any other OS out there.
In my openion the main problem is people, in general, don't even knwo open source exists. And those that do only vaguely recall that they've hear about it somewhere. Hopefully its only a matter of time before people (especially in the US) catch on.

Re:not so suprising (-1, Flamebait)

Mmm_Coco (718592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153500)

yea, but you are 15, so your opinion means nothing

Re:not so suprising (1)

Interruach (680347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153643)

That's not only a horrible thing to say, but it doesn't follow logically. A person's age does not necessarily determine the value of their opinion whatsoever - for example, one of the kernel maintainers started doing that job at 17 wasn't it? When you have the ability to say what goes in and what stays out of the kernel, your opinion matters.
What about cheesy little pop stars like aaron carter? Their opinion might not matter to you or me, but to a certain section of the population, if they say that they like Haribo instead of Hershey, it can have a significant effect on sales.

Please be nice in future.

Re:not so suprising (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153707)

u suck

Re:not so suprising (1)

LadyMayhem (720913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153677)

not necessarily, if anything that i'm 15 would meen that its a more widely known than simply in businesses ect. To add to that, if i can use Linux, proabibly the majority of people cant not just the programers and computer geniuses. and clarifications by especially in the US i ment that in other countries it seems to already be well on its way to becoming a mainstream OS

Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (3, Informative)

cookie_cutter (533841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153489)

It's actually quite clever: it involves a fable about a little orphan boy(rather nordic looking ;), whom, while having no true parents, is adopted by the whole world.

It's very interesting in that it doesn't mention technology at all, only some stuff about the "open" future.

You can watch it here [ibm.com] .

Re:Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (1)

The Spie (206914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153558)

IBM's commercials are the biggest bunch of pretentious, pseudo-intellectual crap that I've seen since...well, any post from any holier-than-thou Slashbot crunchie. It's not going to help Linux; it's going to either confuse the audience or turn them off of using it.

If Linux is all about choice, why do people here complain when I choose not to use it?

They've got nothing on the Apple ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153582)

The IBM commercials have nothing on the Apple ads. The tone of that smug and smarmy voice says "stay away from this product" like nothing else.

Re:Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (4, Insightful)

cookie_cutter (533841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153625)

What you need to understand is that IBM's commercials aren't aimed towards computer experts, they're aimed at PHBs.

They're meant to generate interest in a product, not explain it, so that the PHBs then go to IBM and ask them about it, and IBM happily gives them the whole sales pitch.

Pretentious? You bet! They're fscking IBM! They do their best to look even bigger than the 800 pound gorilla that they are so, that the PHBs, who are business people, are sure that IBM is the winning team; cuz that is who the PHBs go with: the ones they consider to be the winning team.

Re:Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (1)

CeleronXL (726844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153694)

Aye, I know what they're trying to do by generating interest by not explaining much, but methinks they have to include a little more information than they currently do. For all the commercials tell you, Linux could be cornbread.

gamerdude**** (12:08:07 AM): My parents are like "WTF IS LINUX!?"
gamerdude**** (12:08:13 AM): They don't even say that it's an operating system
gamerdude**** (12:09:42 AM): The linux kid is fscking ugly
gamerdude**** (12:09:45 AM): too blonde
gamerdude**** (12:09:54 AM): he looks mentally challenged anyway
gamerdude**** (12:10:05 AM): and they put the commecials on so they talk like him being retawded too
gamerdude**** (12:10:10 AM): "Linux is learning.."
gamerdude**** (12:10:18 AM): Good job! So are we.

The Poisonous Mushroom (-1, Troll)

Mike Bourna (748040) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153630)

a little orphan boy(rather nordic looking ;)

A mother and her young boy are gathering mushrooms in the German forest. The boy finds some poisonous ones. The mother explains that there are good mushrooms and poisonous ones, and, as they go home, says:

"Look, Franz, human beings in this world are like the mushrooms in the forest. There are good mushrooms and there are good people. There are poisonous, bad mushrooms and there are bad people. And we have to be on our guard against bad people just as we have to be on guard against poisonous mushrooms. Do you understand that?"

"Yes, mother," Franz replies. "I understand that in dealing with bad people trouble may arise, just as when one eats a poisonous mushroom. One may even die!"

"And do you know, too, who these bad men are, these poisonous mushrooms of mankind?" the mother continued.

Franz slaps his chest in pride:
"Of course I know, mother! They are the Jews! Our teacher has often told us about them."

The mother praises her boy for his intelligence, and goes on to explain the different kinds of "poisonous" Jews: the Jewish pedlar, the Jewish cattle-dealer, the Kosher butcher, the Jewish doctor, the baptised Jew, and so on.

"However they disguise themselves, or however friendly they try to be, affirming a thousand times their good intentions to us, one must not believe them. Jews they are and Jews they remain. For our Volk they are poison."

"Like the poisonous mushroom!" says Franz.

"Yes, my child! Just as a single poisonous mushrooms can kill a whole family, so a solitary Jew can destroy a whole village, a whole city, even an entire Volk."

Franz has understood.

"Tell me, mother, do all non-Jews know that the Jew is as dangerous as a poisonous mushroom?"

Mother shakes her head.

"Unfortunately not, my child. There are millions of non-Jews who do not yet know the Jews. So we have to enlighten people and warn them against the Jews. Our young people, too, must be warned. Our boys and girls must learn to know the Jew. They must learn that the Jew is the most dangerous poison-mushroom in existence. Just as poisonous mushrooms spring up everywhere, so the Jew is found in every country in the world. Just as poisonous mushrooms often lead to the most dreadful calamity, so the Jew is the cause of misery and distress, illness and death."

The author then concludes this story by pointing the moral:

German youth must learn to recognise the Jewish Poison-mushroom. They must learn what a danger the Jew is for the German Volk and for the whole world. They must learn that the Jewish problem involves the destiny of us all.

"The following tales tell the truth about the Jewish poison-mushroom. They show the many shapes the Jew assumes. They show the depravity and baseness of the Jewish race. They show the Jew for what he really is:

The Devil in human form."

Re:Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (4, Informative)

niko9 (315647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153666)

Open eh? It asks that you either have Quicktime, Realplayer, or Windows media player to watch the commercial. Even though I have mplayer setup for such tasks, it still gives me ther error that the "proper" plugin is not installed.

There is the ASCCI ART(?) version available:


Open on Linux boy, close-up on his face, while you hear Ali's voice. Cut to boy sitting in front of old black and white television with old Mohammed Ali fight footage playing.

Male voice: Never. Never make me no underdog. And never talk about who's gonna stop me. Well, there ain't nobody gonna stop me. I must be the greatest. I shook up the world. (Inaudible background voices) I shook up the world. I shook up the world. I shook up the world.

You hear the television being turned off. Cut to Mohammed Ali sitting across from Linux boy.

Ali: Shake things up.

Cut to Linux boy face. Cut to full screen shot of Ali and boy. Cut to shot behind boy, facing Ali.

Ali: Shake up the world.

Cut to Linux boy, slight smile.

Title: Linux
The Future is Open
IBM

Re:Seen IBM's new linux commercial? (1)

reclusivemonkey (703154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153689)

Rather amusing to see that this link doesn't work in my Mozilla which has the latest version of the Real Player plugin and works fine with the BBC's website. Shame on you IBM! We need to start a campaign against browser "auto-detection"...

ATTN: ALL TROLLS - KEEP POSTING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153494)

THIS IS THE STORY OF THE GREAT TROLLING. POST TROLLS FROM NOW TILL 5:20 ON THIS POSTING. KEEP GOING!!! YOU'RE DOING FINE.

Read the fine print. This particular post is not a troll, it is offtopic. Trolls go trolling off about nothing. This post doesn't. See, this post is 100% offtopic goodness that comes only from a weathered Offtopic non-troll writer. Me. See? I can evade lameness filters too by typing something completely non-lame in addition to the main message, which can be seen above this seemingly meaningless paragraph. Just keep on posting trolls, don't stop!

YOU ARE A PENIS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153530)

'nuff said

AND YOU ARE A VAGINA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153639)

So there.

WooHoo! I'm a follower! (0, Flamebait)

Ozone Depletion (738650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153496)

I just started using linux (FC1) and I Love it! It took my awhile to cave in to peer pressure, but I finally did it and I'm glad I did. Now I get to put pressure on other people to try it cause I don't wanna be the only poser:)
*pushes linux*

Yay for 1337 people that help me! i.e. (ticklemeozmo [slashdot.org] )

Re:WooHoo! I'm a follower! (1)

Paleomacus (666999) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153615)

I try and push Linux all the time. People just call me a loon. My stuffed tux says that it's the tin foil hat. I don't believe him.

Show my boss? (1, Informative)

FlyingOrca (747207) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153503)

She wouldn't understand it. And sadly, couldn't do anything about it if she did. I might be the IT guy for my program, but our overall IT policy is set by conservative M$/Novell fans in another province.

I break enough rules just by recommending Firebird and Thunderbird...

Re:Show my boss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153624)

You know, lots of people roll their eyes when they see someone refer to Microsoft as 'M$' or Windows as 'WinBlowz' or something like that. Some people might even go as far as to flame you for it. Personally, I'm all in favour of it! Nothing makes me happier when I see someone make fun of Microsoft in that way! You know why? Because the quicker I see 'M$' or 'WinDOS' in a comment, the quicker I can disregard everything you've wrote, scroll past your post and add you to my 'retarded peon' list, never to take anything you say seriously ever again, even if its something completely unrelated. So, in the future, please try and work your tired shots at microsoft in toward the beginning of your posts. Thanks!

One poster and site already /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153512)

No wonder most never read the articles before commenting. Oh well, guess I can read the article sometime tomorrow and in the meantime comment anyway. I hope they are not referring to the type of mainstreaming that they do in schools. I sure would hate to see Linux in the same class as M$.

Re:One poster and site already /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153675)

You know, lots of people roll their eyes when they see someone refer to Microsoft as 'M$' or Windows as 'WinBlowz' or something like that. Some people might even go as far as to flame you for it. Personally, I'm all in favour of it! Nothing makes me happier when I see someone make fun of Microsoft in that way! You know why? Because the quicker I see 'M$' or 'WinDOS' in a comment, the quicker I can disregard everything you've wrote, scroll past your post and add you to my 'retarded peon' list, never to take anything you say seriously ever again, even if its something completely unrelated. So, in the future, please try and work your tired shots at microsoft in toward the beginning of your posts. Arigato!

Mainstream and 'freeness' (2, Interesting)

Huff (314296) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153541)

Yup, this is one thing I will be showing the director of the museum that I volunteer at.
I was hoping that when we get funding to construct the new building that it wont be squanded on things that can be obtained for free... licenses for instance...... If you are gonna have a multimedia kiosk running for instance to show how something works (A large steam pump for instance) Do you really need (or indeed want) to fork out a load of money when you can just sling linux on a resonable machine. Possably use Mozilla or something with a modified chrome, and do something you can walk away from.

All I can say is "Yessssss!"

Nick

how can it go mainstream? (4, Interesting)

queen of everything (695105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153544)

Ok, I'm a software developer. I want to port my software, written for windows, to linux so that the average joe will be able to use it. Is it so simple? Well, which distro will I do first? Mandrake? Redhat? Suse? Debian? Then what about those who use *BSD? There are so many choices. I mean its a great kernel, I use different distrobutions for all of my servers. I have no desire to mess with Active Directory or IIS.. But how can it take over the mainstream market when each distro is different.

Re:how can it go mainstream? (2, Insightful)

crayiii (679161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153584)

Umm, start with Mandrake, then Redhat, then suse, then debian. Now, go get started!

Re:how can it go mainstream? (2, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153665)

If you're a software developer who has no control over what distributions your software will run on (no "supported distributions"), then your best be would be to do one of:
  • Distribute the shared libraries you rely on with your application (and wrap your application in a shell script that sets an appropriate LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
  • Distribute them as non-shared binaries. Link something statically, and it'll work on any distribution since there's no dependencies.


If your question was more about user-interface issues (KDE, GNOME), then I was under the impression that they came with installation helpers, or had standard installation places. I'm not a great fan of either desktop (I tend to code under Linux, and the "normal user" desktop accoutrements just get in the way), so there's probably better people to answer, but I've never heard it raised as a problem before...

Simon

Didn't quite get all the facts straight (5, Insightful)

Interruach (680347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153549)

Linux is unique in that its code is open source, meaning anyone can look it and modify it, as long as they agree to share their changes with everyone else.
There are other GPL'd operating systems, and the BSDs are all open source, aren't they?

Large companies have been benefiting from Linux for years now. They use it to run large servers and networks.
Small companies have arguably been benefitting more: I know from my experience that it's easier getting Linux into a small company than it is into a large one.

"This is something that a lot of people in developing countries have. It is a natural for them to make do with little, and to produce something of value out of nothing."
This is just patronising.
How about pointing out that people whoever they are all benefit and can run the same software without the discrimination that high prices cause.

Some worry, though, that large corporations may be reluctant to share their Linux-based software with others. And that, say long-time Linux programmers, would violate the tenets of the open source philosophy.
More importantly, it would also be copyright infringement if they ever distributed it, and would cause them no end of trouble keeping their version of the code up to date.

But other than that, refreshing to read an article about linux that doesn't mention either Redmond or Utah.

aut0tr0ll is teh sp0kE!? (-1)

Jack Froidalbungle (730156) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153557)

Hello master.

sid=95113
formkey=oRZ6ZdQuy9

This is a joint venture that will be mutually advantageous to both parties involved.

the IBM ads (5, Insightful)

feidaykin (158035) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153561)

The article says it all, really, and is probably something you should show your Boss.

I think that if your boss does not already understand the ways of Linux, perhaps reading an article on a Web page won't be enough to convince him.

Get a hold of one of the new IBM ads [ibm.com] and play it for him. Seeing a major, big name company back Linux with a TV spot would carry a lot more weight than someone's opinion on a Web page, no matter how eloquent that opinion is presented. But then, I'm not even employed right now, so I shouldn't be giving advice on what to show your boss. ;)

Still, it's hard for anyone to ignore the opinion of IBM. Or rather, it's a lot easier to ignore the opinion of an author at the BBC.

"Mainstream" is such a funny word (3, Interesting)

saskboy (600063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153566)

My Mainstream is not always your mainstream.

Government computing is not homebased computing.

To be mainstream, could mean that the software is being embraced by the majority of teenagers using computers, or it could be that the majority of corporate users will start using Linux somewhere in their business this year.

I've seen Linux evolve a lot since I first tried to use it in 1997. I couldn't figure it out then. In 2000 I used Red Hat 6.0 for the first time, and found it easier to understand, but still not useful to me. Now in 2004, I could make it be almost as useful to me as my Windows machine. Do I really think that this year there will be some killer distro that will blow Windows away? No. But it is possible...

Good article and something else to say... (4, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153599)

I would like to sway away all those trolls nay-sayers, and such things and would like to ask them one question - when Microsoft started to deliver to desktop what do you see now? Not so long time ago. And it's still unstable and unsecure. If someone is desktop king now - from visual and usability - it's Apple OS X.

I was doubtful three years ago but now I say for sure - Linux and Free Software has a future, and it is right here - in Gnome, in KDE, in OpenOffice.org, in all those new ideas, which pop-up instantly in mailing lists, forums, freedesktop.org, gnomedesktop.org. I like that creativity which grows and grows and seems to be unstoppable.

Linux is here to stay. Is also here to stay and be viable alternative for your desktop usage. Whatever you choose it or not, it's upon you. Because it is about the choice, not about pushing you to use it.

Re:Good article and something else to say... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153692)

I agree Linux is here to stay. I looked at OS X, it's too gay [macrumors.com] for me to use.

SUPABOWL!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153614)

Thank you America for SUPABOWL!

I've never watched american football, but I believe it's gonna be great. It is aired here in the north pole and they will explain the rules before it starts! I've got loads of food and drinks ready for this happening. Feels like the whole world is watching.

I don't know about the teams, but I chose New England Patriots as my favourite team. Let them win!

New England Patriouts (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153660)

I don't know about the teams, but I chose New England Patriots as my favourite team. Let them win!

If you are going to misspell words like "Favorite" by adding a U where none exists, you might as well add other extraneous U's near O's.

"Gou Patriouts! You are the favourite!"

Re:New England Patriouts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8153687)

You're fucking hilarious! We got a joker here!

favourite

adj 1: appealing to the general public; "a favorite tourist attraction" [syn: favorite] 2: preferred above all others and treated with partiality; "the favored child" [syn: favored, favorite(a), favourite(a), pet, preferred] n 1: a competitor thought likely to win [syn: front-runner, favorite] 2: a special loved one [syn: darling, favorite, pet, dearie, deary, ducky] 3: something regarded with special favor or liking; "that book is one of my favorites" [syn: favorite]

Source: WordNet (R) 1.6, (C) 1997 Princeton University

Open Source Advocacy in schools (1)

sommere (105088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153617)

I recently wrote a paper on how schools should use Open Source Software. Linux isn't quite as good (in some ways) as windows or Macs on the desktop, but its good enough for most cases.

Check it out: http://ossadvocacy.org [ossadvocacy.org]

Sun Microsystems? (2, Interesting)

tigerc (628630) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153621)

Why was Sun Microsystems even mentioned in this article. Sun is taking a beating from the spread of Linux. Sure, they offer some servers with Linux, but their operating system that they're trying to market is Solaris.

Too, the whole idea of Linux is to have boxes running on commodity chips, namely x86, because of the price. Sun is fighting an upward battle, they got into the market too late, are fighting IBM and HP, and aren't geared towards the lower end server market. Companies finally realized that they don't need to purchase mainframes every month.

And don't tell me that because Sun released Solaris to the public that they're on the bandwagon. Have you even attempted to download it? They check to make sure that your inputed address is valid with the zip code. And this is in stride with the open source movement?

Trust the BBC? (2, Funny)

Bazman (4849) | more than 10 years ago | (#8153678)

Oh no, we can't trust the BBC these days don't you know? I can imagine that Bill Gates will now be launching a swingeing attack on the BBC, leading to a month-long enquiry chaired by, oooh, an unbiased Paul Allen, and then resignation of several senior BBC executives....

[if you dont know what I'm talking about, google for 'Hutton Report' or see BBC news main page :)]

Baz
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