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Rings Digital Dailies Circled Globe via iPod

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the rip-and-mix dept.

Lord of the Rings 274

KD writes "During the making of the 'Rings' trilogy, Jackson and his crew upped the ante on Apple's innovative iPod storage technology, using it for filmmaking sessions during production on The Two Towers and The Return of the King. Media was transferred from Weta to Pinewood Studios in London. There Jackson then viewed the QuickTime files on an Apple Cinema Display, tied to his G4 laptop, which drew directly from his iPod. The director's setup was mirrored in New Zealand, and crew could step through shots with the help of their iPods, with Jackson's guidance piped in over a videoconferencing system. During the course of two movies and four months, 'Rings' iPods stored and served up nearly one-half terabyte of digitized footage from 'Towers' and 'King.'"

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157215)

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Versatile (5, Insightful)

pb_boi (748247) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157219)

Which goes to show how rediculously versatile the iPods are in relation to almost anything. A task that important, for which they weren't designed, and STILL they're used, and STILL they perform amazingly well. Impressive. pb_boi

Wonder how much that cost. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157274)

Must have been expensive... A half TB of ipods!

What does that cost, compared to tape?

Re:Wonder how much that cost. (3, Insightful)

MinutiaeMan (681498) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157565)

Not necessarily -- they could easily be referring to the total amount of video transferred back and forth during the entire production process. In which case they just deleted the stuff from the iPod and placed it on some hard drive or backup somewhere.

Re:Versatile (5, Interesting)

pldms (136522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157276)

Versatile indeed.

"Jackson then viewed those 1K-resolution QuickTime files on an Apple Cinema Display, tied to his G4 laptop, which drew directly from his iPod."

I've been warned against using the iPod in this way. It was designed (I was told) for brief disk access, i.e. pulling the next x minutes of compressed music into ram. Sustained access, however, will invite disk problems due to cooling problems. (Indeed I find mine heats up noticeably when copying large amounts).

Perhaps this quote is misleading. OTOH I guess their budget could cope with a few failures (unlike mine :-).

Re:Versatile (2, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157318)

Well, that's why it has the heat-conducting metal back. Take it out of the case, maybe point a fan at it.

Re:Versatile (4, Insightful)

vandel405 (609163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157319)

Um, what about the first time you plug it into your computer and it syncs 20gigs?

I use mine in this fashion regulary.

Re:Versatile (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157360)

You regularly rewrite all 20 gigs of data back to your iPod? What a waste of time. I prefer to just sync up the songs that have been added.

Re:Versatile (1)

bfischer (648685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157474)

If you re-read the post, you will notice he says "the first time you hook it to the computer". This does not sound like they are resyncing all data every time.

Re:Versatile (1)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157537)

If you reread the post you'll see he wrote the following:

I use mine in this fashion regularly.

Re:Versatile (5, Informative)

mj_1903 (570130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157326)

As someone who writes software for the iPod all day, I can say without reservation that iPod's can stand up to this usage pattern. My iPod 5gb has been running basically non stop for 16 months in this mode with no adverse affects.

My tips for cooling:
- Keep the metal side up (the dock is fine)
- Never cover your iPod while connected to your computer
- Never place it metal side down while connected to your computer on a blanket/pillow or something similar
- Place a small fan on it if you are very concerned

I have not had my iPod go above touchable temperature (any of my iPod's, 5gb, 15gb, 40gb). Touchable from memory is around ~55C and hard drives can usually handle 60C quite fine.

Re:Versatile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157390)

You write iPod software all day? How about writing a custom firmware pack for me that has playlist software that *doesn't suck*. What is it with the on the go playlist that is so difficult to get right?

I play a song, then I browse around and hold down the "select" button to add to the playlist. I add a third song, and so on... then I set the iPod down and when the original (first and only) song ends, the playing stops. That's so stupid. It should automatically "see" that I just created an on-the-go playlist and start playing it.

The way it is now, I have to sit in several minutes of silence why I build my on-the-go playlist so I can then go back up, up, up, up to the top level menu, then into the playlists menu and start playing the on-the-go playlist from the beginning.

Totally F'd up if you ask me.

News for Nerds (5, Funny)

kinnell (607819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157440)

My tips for cooling:

you forgot:

  • Put a cup of liquid nitrogen on it
  • Modify the case to incorporate an overly expensive liquid cooling rig
  • Drill a hole for a firewire cable into your USB mini refrigerator

iPod durability and heat output (1)

jfaughnan (115062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157663)

Excellent post. The consensus on Apple's Discussion boards is that the iPod should not be used as an external drive because of the heat output. In particular, the LiON battery is easily damaged by heat. The drive and electronics may survive, but battery life will suffer greatly. Did your LiON battery survive?

In my experience my iPod became very hot during extended r/w usage -- it was lying metal side down on an insulating surface. Others have described video distortion due to the heat output.

I suspect if one keeps it metal side down on a conducting surface (a tile counter for example) it will do fine. In the cradle is probably okay, especially if one is not overly concerned about battery life.

When mine was very hot, I've been known to rest it on a sealed freezer "ice" pack until it was comfortable to the touch; obviously "cold" to the touch would be a bad idea.

Re:iPod durability and heat output (2, Informative)

mj_1903 (570130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8158026)

The battery is getting 4-6hrs of life, which is reasonable I suspect for that age period, although the heat could easily be attributed to it I am sure. Also, my 5gb is not used as my daily music machine so charge up/down cycles are irregular or do not happen at all.

The video being distorted is something I have witnessed but quickly disappears after temperature returns to normal with no ill effects from my observations.

There is also another issue of the ambient air temperature. I guess people's mileage will definitely vary in that regard.

Re:Versatile (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157305)

Are you saying that other portable devices don't allow you to store data? And if the iPod wasn't designed to store data...why does it allow you to store data?

It's funny to watch you idiots get excited by the stupidest shit ever.

You are the reason I will never buy any Apple products.

Re:Versatile (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157629)

Only a Apple fanboy would turn an MP3 player being an external harddrive into being "ridiculously versitle in relation to almost everything". Almost anything? Even my first generation Archos (which came out about a year before the iPod) did this better than the iPod. You can copy files AND your music to it, just like an external harddrive. Huh, must be because it IS an external harddrive.

Please step out of the reality distortion field.

fags (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157221)

FAGGOTS

CmdrTaco molests 4 schoolgirls in Osaka (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157223)

OSAKA -- CmdrTaco molested four elementary school girls here on their way home from school Thursday afternoon, police said Friday.

Local police suspect that CmdrTaco, appearing to be in his 30s is responsible for all four cases, and are searching for him on suspicion of indecent assault.

At around 3 p.m., CmdrTaco approached a 7-year-old, first-year elementary school girl from behind in a landing of a stairway at a city-run apartment complex in the Kirehigashi district of Hirano-ku, and fondled her body, police said.

Shortly after the incident, a 7-year-old, second-year elementary schoolgirl was fondled by CmdrTaco on the premises of the same apartment complex.

Two similar incidents occurred near a shrine about a kilometer away from the complex, and at another city-run apartment complex some two kilometers away from the first incident scene.

The victims have described CmdrTaco as being about 175 centimeters tall, wearing glasses and a black jacket, police said. (Japan, Jan. 30, 2004)

M 4 D p R 0 p Z 7 0 G N A A
-HilaryDuff

Slow news day? (5, Insightful)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157227)

not meaning to troll or anything, but surely anyone who cares about this kind of trivia (like me) would have known about it months ago when watching the TT DVD documentaries?

are the slashdot editors trying to have a competition of who can post the oldest story?

Re:Slow news day? (0)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157238)

This was on TTT DVD? I haven't gotten the chance to buy it yet (it's not quite at the top of my list at the moment, and when it is, places seem to be sold out)....so this is news to me. I'd think Apple would have bragged about this one a lot more...I know I would have, had I been born Jobs instead of Klabnik :-p

Re:Slow news day? (1)

pb_boi (748247) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157242)

Someone actually posted something about it a while ago, but think it was just in a comment to another post. Still, impressive. pb_boi

Re:Slow news day? (1)

iethree (666892) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157286)

i'm usually so impressed with the content of slashdot, but this hardly qualifies as news.

Re:Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157294)

This isn't a troll, it's insightful. I, as well as anyone else who bought the TT extended DVD and actually watched the extras DVDs, have already known about this for months and months. My very first thoughts when reading the article were identical to the post I'm replying to. Just because someone is critical of slashdot doesn't make them a troll!

Re:Slow news day? (2, Interesting)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157312)

Who the hell modded parent as "Troll"? It's a legitimate comment. What next, Slashdot stories on the AI agents in the Battle of Helm's Deep? Sheesh, is there a Slashdot reader out there who hasn't seen the TTT DVD extras?

Re:Slow news day? (1)

Emil Brink (69213) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157643)

Not only that, but the original site had quotes around "Rings", which (at least for me) made the headline a lot easier to understand. I wish they would have kept those. Of course, English isn't my native tongue, so maybe it's just me.

Odd irony (4, Funny)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157229)

This could have well been the first time that scores of nerds would have wanted to copy something _off_ an ipod and onto the internet for their own entertainment.

Not exactly exciting news. (5, Insightful)

MountainMan101 (714389) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157231)

Someone uses a portable large (10-20GB) USB harddrive to transfer data. Okay, so it was non-Microsoft. This would have been news if it had been new hardware/software/protocols, but honestly. Is this worthy of Slashdot?

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157283)

Someone uses a portable large (10-20GB)
USB harddrive to transfer data.
Firewire, most probably.
But I agree.
We'll soon learn that somebody else used his digital camera's removable memore module (SM/CF/XD/SD/MMC/MC) in order to transfer data without playing Johnny Mnemonics.

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (2, Insightful)

ernstp (641161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157290)

Just one thing.... its a FireWire mp3 player!

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (2, Insightful)

Hast (24833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157342)

So? It's the same as any USB mass storage device, it just uses FW as a hookup. Virtually any USB flash based MP3 player can be used as a storage device for non-audio data. Colour me unimpressed.

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (5, Funny)

shockbeton (669384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157346)

In other "news," the mighty Peter Jackson reportedly uses a telephone to transmit voice data in real-time to his mom. Rumors also suggest that he and other key players in the production of the widely acclaimed LotR trilogy purge their bodily waste into a toilet.

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157554)

Peter Jackson doesn't have a "mom", he has a "mum".

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157405)

There is a tendency these days for even the technologists to look at a core technology wrapped up in a shiney new shell and view it as something essentially new and more technologically advanced.

This tendency is "good" for the industry but financially draining for the customer. The entire software industry rests upon this tendency and the recent recession in the purchasing of software by business represents a crack in this point of view. Office 97 works.

In point of fact the core technologies of all office software have been in place since the release of Visiscalc. Database, spreadsheet, text editor. Everything else is just variations on these and the latest new feature of Word is nothing more than a text editor macro attached to a button.

It's akin to painting a disposable razor pink instead of orange and calling it "for women," a technique that works distressingly well.

A Perl script wrapped up in Royal robes isn't "new technology" and a portable HD is just a portable HD.

Maybe I need to make an iPod clone, put it in a titanium case and call it the "Movie Meister" or something.

KFG

Re:Not exactly exciting news. (0)

TwistedGreen (80055) | more than 10 years ago | (#8158053)

Exactly. I fail to see how the iPod is innovative.

But, since I'm sure I'll get a hundred Apple weenies trying to explain it to me as soon as I click Submit, I'll concede that maybe some innovation lies in the software. However, the iPod itself is just another HDD-based mp3 player.

And it's also ugly.

Seems to me pretty stupid too (4, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157484)

If you compare the price of an IPod to a 200 GB hard drive, it seems to me that for storing video footage it's the most stupid solution ever. An exteral USB or Firewire case and a couple of 200 GB drives would have been:

- cheaper

- faster (I don't think the IPod comes even close to a 7200 RPM drive)

- able to store a lot more data

Or here's another random thought: if they're sending data all the way across the globe, exactly what's the unprecedented advantage of sending an iPod instead of a DVD-R? No, seriously.

Of course, seein' the usual "even a fart smells sweet if it's got the Apple logo" crowd on Slashdot, maybe it's worthy of Slashdot after all.

Re:Seems to me pretty stupid too (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8158000)

Firstly, why transfer low res digital half way round the world (presumably using the internet) then copy the video onto a hdd storage device and courier this from pinewood to jacksons home? Surely jackson would have simply downloaded the footage straight of an ftp/secure website onto his notebook?

Secondly for vfx work 1k res quicktime is more or less useless in terms of the review and approvals process. In reality for approval sequences are rendered off into MPEG2, transferred globally via a networked device like a telestrem (www.telestream.net) or clipmail pro and then reviewed on TV at near DVD res via a hardware MPEG2 decoder / settopbox device.

This whole piece smells of marketing, pr and an exercise in brand association.

Re:Seems to me pretty stupid too (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8158017)

An exteral USB or Firewire case and a couple of 200 GB drives would have been: cheaper, faster, able to store a lot more data

You left out "larger, more fragile, unable to multitask as an audio player and PDA."

Or here's another random thought: if they're sending data all the way across the globe, exactly what's the unprecedented advantage of sending an iPod instead of a DVD-R?

You're kidding, right? DVD's are far too small and take far too long to burn to be useful for something like this. Besides, after you're done with one, you have to throw it away. After you're done using your iPod for this, you've got... an iPod! A singularly useful device in and of itself.

Doing anything else would have been wasteful and dumb.

Also (4, Informative)

sfraggle (212671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157233)

If you watch The Two Towers Extended Edition commentary, you'll find that one of the crew was chased through the streets of London in the early hours of the morning one day by people who wanted to rob him. Fortunately he managed to get away and the iPod in his pocket with the entire film on didnt get leaked :)

Re:Also Also (wik) (0)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157262)

1. how do you watch a commentary?
2. whether they wan't to rob him or not was not proven,

Re:Also Also (wik) (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157421)

2. whether they wan't to rob him or not was not proven


IIRC they looked like criminals. They started walking after him. When he tried running away from them, they started running as well, trying to catch him.

What do you suggest they were planning to do? Give him some flowers?

Re:Also Also (wik) (0)

sholden (12227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157550)

Criminals are easily identifiable on sight? That must make it damn easy for the police, how come they don't just arrest them all?

Walking in the street is a pretty normal thing to do, I do it a lot. Does that mean I want to rob everyone who happens to be in front of me?

Maybe they figured he saw some criminals (who are easily identifiable by sight) and hence they ran away from said criminals (they didn't want to risk turning around to see for themselves and hence slowing down) as well.

Re:Also Also (wik) (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157689)

Criminals are easily identifiable on sight? That must make it damn easy for the police, how come they don't just arrest them all?


Of course one shouldn't arrest people based solely on the way they look. But quite often crimilans and thugs do have a certain look to them.

Walking in the street is a pretty normal thing to do, I do it a lot. Does that mean I want to rob everyone who happens to be in front of me?


If you start following someone (not merely walking in to same direction) in an otherwise empty street, the person in front of you might start to think that you are about to rob him. And why would you be following him in the first place?

Maybe they figured he saw some criminals (who are easily identifiable by sight) and hence they ran away from said criminals (they didn't want to risk turning around to see for themselves and hence slowing down) as well.


Uh-huh. And I'm the Queen of the Jungle and I have 7 pairs of boobs.

Re:Also Also (wik) (0)

mog (22706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157895)

Criminals wear black masks and carry sacks with dollar signs on them, duh.

Re:Also Also (wik) (1)

palndrumm (416336) | more than 10 years ago | (#8158036)

It was an interview with the guy in one of the bonus features, rather than part of the commentary. The story (as I recall it) went something like, he was walking down the street with the ipod in his pocket and passed two guys walking in the opposite direction. The two guys then turned around and started following him. He walked faster, they walked faster. He started running, they started running after him. From there on he basically sprinted until he got to the motel, losing them somewhere along the way.

Sure, it's possible that they might not have wanted to rob him, but given the fact that he was walking through a major city in the middle of the night carrying some extremely valuable material, you really can't blame the guy for a) considering it as a distinct possibility, and b) not hanging around to find out for sure before he bolted.

Re:Also (-1, Troll)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157483)

I'd say unfortunately. Imagine how cool would it be for all of us to have an opportunity to watch a leaked copy of the Two Towers? I know, if I had a chance to preview it, I would not be tricked into parting with perfectly good 8 euros on the opening night...

Re:Also (1)

jtrascap (526135) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157615)

nevermind the iPod - YOU are not worthy of slashdot! :)

Re:Also (-1, Troll)

danila (69889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157623)

That's just great. Every time I make a negative comment about Peter Jackson's films, in a few minutes I get moderated as Troll... That's just pathetic. I honestly do think that TTT and ROTK were very crappy movies, although visually impressive. If you disagree, reply, don't just downmod because I dare touch your sacred cow.

If you think Peter Jackson is so good, why don't you go and give him a blowjob. That gotta make you feel real warm and fuzzy.

Re:Also (1)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157755)

I barely know who the man is.. but I know a GOOD movie when I see it.. and ROTK was a GOOD movie. It was one of the best book/movie conversions i've ever seen. It also happened to be visually impressive to boot .

Dogs with iPods (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157236)

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Imagine... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157239)

Imagine a beowu...wait, no...I, for one, welcome our...wait, no, not that either.

Damn, ran out of witty catchphrases. Oh well.

One big ad for Apple (5, Interesting)

fruey (563914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157240)

And not in the Apple section (even as a subsection?)

Kudos to the fact it was indeed the iPod, but it would be cheaper to use a generic portable hard drive, since this is movie footage and not soundtrack data. The iPod wasn't used for what it was designed for.

The laptop needn't have been a G4 either, and they stuck in iSight as well. What they SHOULD be telling us is whether these things were purchased at RRP, at big discount, or given away for free by Apple...

Style over substance? (2, Interesting)

the_duke_of_hazzard (603473) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157269)

Absolutely. Sounds like a waste of money to me when all you're doing is moving data around. Then again, one of the main criticisms of the iPod is that it is style over substance (short battery life, poor sound quality, overpriced), rather like certain films I could think of...

Re:Style over substance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157485)

I can agree with the short battery life criticism, and understand that people think it's overpriced, but poor sound quality? Even Google [google.com] doesn't really turn up anything about that.

Re:Style over substance? (1)

the_duke_of_hazzard (603473) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157647)

Fair enough. That particular crit was based on a friend of mine who spends a *lot* of money on high-spec sound equipment and was disappointed by the iPod's low bit rate "given it's one of the most expensive mp3 players around".

Re:Style over substance? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157811)

The iPod doesn't have a bitrate. It plays your files at the bitrate you encode them. That can be uncompressed WAV/AIFF, if you are so inclined. For both mp3 and aac, the maximum supported bitrate is 320kbps (+vbr). I'm not sure how much there is to gain by going higher than that.

Re:One big ad for Apple (4, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157394)

Kudos to the fact it was indeed the iPod, but it would be cheaper to use a generic portable hard drive, since this is movie footage and not soundtrack data. The iPod wasn't used for what it was designed for.
The iPod was designed from the very beginning as a data storage device.

Where else are you going to find something that small, with that much storage and speed, that also looks (to the general public) like nothing more than an mp3 player? For that price?

The laptop needn't have been a G4 either, and they stuck in iSight as well.
Professionals in the movie business use Macs because Macs can reliably do the job.

If you want to get mired in the "needn't have been" excuses, well, they needn't have bothered to with digital dailies at all. In fact, why bother even making the movie.

Re:One big ad for Apple (1)

TheHummer (207443) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157434)

Since the guy walked to the studio, I bet he listened some music on his way there. Not too bad use for mp3 player...

Re:One big ad for Apple (4, Insightful)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157444)

Exactly. It's a bit of an apple fanboy story, something I doubt the veracity of. It didn't have to be an iPod , didn't have to be a G4 laptop, and didn't have to be a cinema display. Telling us the equipment used for the film is quite irrelevant.

Would it have been the same story if it was a Dell DJ, on a Dell laptop, with a Dell monitor? No it wouldn't. I don't see what the fuss is about

Re:One big ad for Apple (4, Insightful)

gobbo (567674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157975)

The fuss is about this: a trendy consumer appliance is being used as a mission-critical device. It's a nerdy change in consumer behaviour that heralds something significant about the way technology is crossing professional/consumer boundaries.

I have a co-worker who is directing/producing film and video and uses his iPod for just this purpose, both sneakernet and as a presentation external hard drive. Of course, he also loads it up with his music collection, and does the standard iPod-snob-ish "here, listen to this" sort of thing.

Another interesting thing in this story is how these things are damn reliable, damn fast, damn flexible, and very well integrated into mac users' lives. They're being trusted with more important tasks than consumer devices typically get, and at the end of the day it's just something to put on your head and bop around with.

No, I don't own one, but if I had to play large video files off an external portable drive, I wouldn't use a Dell, dude! Especially on a deadline. iPod + mac pc = time (and face) saved.

Batteries (4, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157243)

If the ipods were really going to have battery problems, [ipodsdirtysecret.com] surely somebody would have noticed during all these transfers.

Anyway, chalk up one more iPod award...

Assisted in obtaining The Return of the King 11 Oscar nominations

All of that data transfer... and none of it got released to the public by "accident?" We should be ashamed at ourselves.

Davak

Re:Batteries (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157280)

yeah, seeing how you use the batteries a whole lot when you have it connected to the computer :P

Quite frankly... (4, Insightful)

DiscoOnTheSide (544139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157244)

I think this is absolutely amazing. Yes, we all knew you could do stuff like this, but you'd never think of it until you read stuff like this. Not only is it a great MP3 player (I've owned three as well as MiniDisc players, it's hands down the best I've used), it's an amazingly fast firewire drive (although I find that formated for windows it's not as fast, perhaps HFS+ is a better file system then most think?) and I've noticed that while I use my iPod for storing papers, projects and movies to watch at friends houses, it screams. I think after hearing this those 40GB iPods are going to be the new pro-video clip bin. Sure, you won't fit an entire three hour epic movie's worth of footage in DV format on it, but it's good for fleshing out whole scenes. Plus it's widely supported for Windows and Mac so no worries (and Linux can mount them as a simple firewire drive if I stand correct...) Neat stuff. Hopefully we'll get video iPods this year, to combat those foreboding MS portable media players...

Re:Quite frankly... (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157349)

Not only is it a great MP3 player (I've owned three as well as MiniDisc players, it's hands down the best I've used), it's an amazingly fast firewire drive

Thanks, but I'll stick to my 250GB Maxtor firewire/USB disk if I wan to transfer data. Seems like it'd be incredibly silly to use a small iPod to transfer video. They could've just burned DVD-RW copies of the video.

Re:Quite frankly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8158046)

Thanks, but I'll stick to my 250GB Maxtor firewire/USB disk if I wan to transfer data.

Too big. Literally. A drive that big must be six or eight inches across and weigh two or three pounds.

They could've just burned DVD-RW copies of the video.

Too small, too slow, and way too wasteful.

So far both of your alternatives suck. What else you got?

Re:Quite frankly... (1)

Hast (24833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157391)

Considering todays quality computer products it is sort of amazing that one of them happen to do what it was designed to do. Instead of using an iPod for this you can just get a standard stand alone HDD with USB/FW enclosure. That will save you quite a lot of money too.

Re:Quite frankly... (1)

dj245 (732906) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157487)

I have 2 large hard drives in one firewire enclosure, for a total of 220gb in one box. Its about as tall and wide as a 50-pack spindle of blank media, and a bit deeper.

Surely this is twice as "absolutely amazing" because there are two drives in one box? 14.6 times as "absolutely amazing" because there's that much more space? Or perhaps only .71 times as "absolutely amazing" because the drives are that much bigger.

The external firewire drive is hardly newsworthy.

Yes, it will! (was Re:Quite frankly...) (1)

nomso (591062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157674)

Sure, you won't fit an entire three hour epic movie's worth of footage in DV format on it,

Yes, it will in fact store three hours worth of DV quality video. One hour DV is just under 13GB and so three hours is just under 39GB - which will fit on a 40GB iPod. Which is really cool.

Would it not be cool to be able to hook your DV camcorder to the iPod and record direct to HD? (probably not possible, but it would be cool, would it not?)

but it's good for fleshing out whole scenes.

Yes, it's good for that, too.

And, as mentioned before, in the documentary TT DVD one guy talks about being chased by ruffians containing (if memory serves) a full-length almost-done version of TT.

Hard drive stores data, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157248)

I have a lot of respect for apple, im using an apple 12'' right now but really?

What i read is hard drive stores data! God I transfered the raw footage for the fight in the rain for the matrix 3 on to a dell laptop some years ago. And i have moved god knows how many terrabytes of film and tv on firewire drives! But hey this drive is white cooooolllllllll Um so yeah hard drive stores data!

BD

Me so stupid (-1, Offtopic)

waitigetit (691345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157250)

Did anyone else have trouble parsing that headline?

Dailies almost got stolen, too (5, Informative)

jokkebk (175614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157252)

I watched Two Towers extras where the fellow who was doing the transportation of iPods to Jackson's hotel told that he was almost robbed by two thugs following him one day.

Thankfully the guy was pretty quick sprinter, so the dailies (and I even seem to recall that they exceptionally had the whole version on iPod that day) narrowly escaped the London underworld.

As a funny sidenote, I don't think any beautiful women offered to plug their earpiece into iPod while waiting traffic lights, too bad for them. :)

Apple's next ad campaign? (4, Insightful)

darnok (650458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157256)

I wonder why Apple hasn't made more of this in their advertising. It seems that having possibly the highest-profile series of movies in many years put together using your gear would be worth telling people about.

If the article is accurate, it's a great example of working globally that a lot of Apple's potential customers might want to hear about.

It'd certainly attract more positive interest than those ridiculous "HP Invent" advertisements - they're just laughable. Every time I see a new one, I think "What the hell am I looking at?" which I suspect isn't the message HP wants to be getting across.

Re:Apple's next ad campaign? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157323)

Although iPod makes a useful and convenient portable hard drive, there are some real drawbacks to putting this into an ad.

The main problem is that it would confuse some less computer-savvy people. They would watch a 30 second ad (only halfway paying attention to it) and wind up unsure about what iPod is for, and how they are supposed to use it.

Re:Apple's next ad campaign? (1, Funny)

kinnell (607819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157329)

I wonder why Apple hasn't made more of this in their advertising

You mean like having the guy who plays Frodo appear in the iLife '04 video [apple.com.au] , for example? Or were you thinking of golum dancing in silhouette with an ipod?

Re:Apple's next ad campaign? (0)

rbbs (665028) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157364)

gollum dancing etc......that would surely be the greatest piece of cross branding ever!

And that is supposed to be impressive? (2, Funny)

smchris (464899) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157259)

During the course of two movies and four months, 'Rings' iPods stored and served up nearly one-half terabyte of digitized footage from 'Towers' and 'King.'"

What's a half terabyte? 500 gig. 75 days. Sounds like a college student with a heavy download habit.

Hooray for Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157279)

good move marketing on /.

Piped (-1, Troll)

GQuon (643387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157282)

The director's setup was mirrored in New Zealand, and crew could step through shots with the help of their iPods, with Jackson's guidance piped in over a videoconferencing system.

I didnt know Jakcson had such a high, shrill, voice that him speaking could be described with that word. Maybe he just had a cold.

On seond thought, maybe they used flutes. Tobacco pipes? No? Ah. A virtual Internet pipe. Now I get it.

Re:Piped (-1, Offtopic)

brokenvoice (595329) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157369)

If memory serves me correctly, my uncle who served in the Royal Navy (and was prone to shenanigans so he may have been pulling my chain) told me that it stems from when they used to just shout into pipes that ran from one part of the ship to the other. Obviously in this case it is via the net.

Nothing to to with the pitch or timbre of his voice.

English usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157370)

pipe - transitive verb [...] 1b. To convey as if by pipes, especially to transmit by wire or cable: piped music into the store.

reference [bartleby.com]

Sorry (1)

GQuon (643387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157419)

Sorry. I do know what they meant. It's just I got the image into my head of Peter Jackson speaking with a terribly high pitched voice.
Now I'm getting the picture of all the actors doing the same. Saruman tries his evil laugh, but it comes out as a giggle. :-D

funny quote during the article... (5, Funny)

derekb (262726) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157297)

After spending time frustrated at the battery life of my ipod, I read this bit of sentence...

Just as Frodo exists basically to transport that precious ring to where it needs to go, ..

and thought about how many times I've wanted to send my ipod to the same firey doom..

ahh but I couldn't do that to the little guy..

ahhh.... more bandwidth than.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157298)

ahh... don't underestimate the bandwith of a truck full of iPods barreling down the highway...

One big advertisement (4, Insightful)

The Pi-Guy (529892) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157309)

This article seems to read like one big advertisement. It mentions no less than four specific Apple technologies that are really nothing special and could be replaced by other cheaper technologies. I understand that it may be cool because it's on an iPod, but honestly, do you need to mention the Apple Cinema Display??

*sighs as his karma falls*

joshua

Re:One big advertisement (2, Funny)

Hast (24833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157430)

I think they forgot to mention that Mr Jackson was using a Apple(tm) Wireless Keyboard and Apple(tm) Wireless Mouse both using Bluetooth(tm) technology to enhance the editing experience. Naturally all mobile devices used Duracell(tm) bateries to go the extra mile. Mr Jackson transported the iPod (tm) in his Lee (tm) jeans.

Re:One big advertisement (1)

Monkey Overlord (746151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157590)

Despite being an Apple fan/user I have to agree the you.
Perhaps, the fact that it was an iPod makes it special to some degree, but they used it as a firewire hard drive ... gid deal. They would have probably been better of using a proper firewire HD (those FireLite HDs are just as small).
Cinema displays? Great, but CRTs are still better when it comes to refresh rates, color accuracy etc. Not to mention the price. Regardless, it didn't have anything to do with the iPod story in the first place.
Lastly, the iSight reference and the part about video conferencing is utter bull shit. Video conferencing on a Mac means iChat AV (which is not free either), which also means that you can only chat with people on iChat AV ... hence only fellow Mac users ... and thats pretty useless (considering that 90% of people use various flavours of Windows OS). Further more, there isn't a cross-platform solution for video conferencing between Mac/PC (Yahoo Messenger works, but frame rates and quality suck), MSN sucks and does not allow to video chat with a Mac MSN messenger user (although its a snap to set up a Windows 2 Windows video session). iSight is a great little camera (good lens + firewire), but there is no basis to hype video conferencing on Macs, because currently it just does not exist and having iSights would have made no fucking difference.

Re:One big advertisement (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157899)

Video conferencing on a Mac means iChat AV (which is not free either), which also means that you can only chat with people on iChat AV

well, steady on there chap. ichat AV is free if you're using panther, and only $30 I beleive if you're still on jag. and if they were using $15000 dollar video conferencing systems, then they could easily have bought some isights and even extra powerbooks.

and by the looks of it they had quite a few mac's about anyways so I'd say it's reasonable to assume that they had them at all principle locations.

if you're working within a small group like that then I'd say it's perfectly acceptable to use something like ichat AV for video conferencing.

but there is no basis to hype video conferencing on Macs, because currently it just does not exist and having iSights would have made no fucking difference

I don't understand this. while I don't have an isight (I would love one but no-one else I'd wanna video conf with has one) by all accounts they work very well. sure they don;t video conf to a windows bux, but then they aren't advertised as being able to. atm it's a pure mac to mac solution and from what I've heard. it works very well at that so your comments seem very harsh unless you have more to back them up with.

so it seems to me that mac video conferencing *does* exist. I don;t see where your comments are coming from.

I would love to see mac to windows video conferencing I have to admit. apparently aol's beta video stuff doesn't interact with apple's (I can't imagine why, it's an obvious one to work with, both are "official" clients after all).

dave

Finding it hard to differentiate (1)

NoGuffCheck (746638) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157333)

Im getting to the point where Im so suspicious of Apples advertising tactics that I think this whole thread may be ad. I think this is a direct result of the more subtle (or not) approaches (outlined in this thread) marketing departments use in their struggle to increase brand awareness.

what we do (4, Informative)

snatchitup (466222) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157337)

We actually use broadband to transfer our digital daily "rough-cuts" as they're known in the industry.

We use these guys' to [artesia.com] software to help us manage it.

It's amazing how many TBytes flow back and forth. And admittingly in the current reality, it's not a smooth process. Funny thing is, the hard-drive sizes change so rapidly, but the system planning isn't based on this. No one has gone said... You know, this system will be so cheap to build because in about a year, you'll be able to walk across the street and buy a Terabyte hard-drive at Best buy for about $400. Why not just plan on a cheap server farm of about 20 pc's each with about 3x1TB of disk space.

Throughput hasn't been too big an issue, it's dealing with all the anomalies of the formats and simple things such as. MPEg vs. JPEG vs. PAL

"only" 500GB ? (1)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157375)

I don't know exactly which iPod models they usedm but I assume at least 10GB. The article mentions that they all have one, so that's at least 100GB. conclusion : they used their pods 5 times. Not all that spectacular,

Re:"only" 500GB ? (1)

tim_uk (123339) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157530)

RTFA, old boy.

"There, Jackson's 30-gig iPod was ready and waiting to upload Weta's daily fresh-baked shots and sequences."

Pip pip.

iPod firewire issues. (3, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157384)

I wish I could store large files on my iPod. But every time it's in the middle of a large transfer, I get buffer error or something. I hear it has something to do with FireWire (IEEE 1394) compatibility. I'm not sure there is anything I can do about it at this point. I've already ran the built in harddisk checking utility on the unit and it checks out fine. I guess I will have to wait for an update from Apple and hope it addresses this issue. Untill then, I guess I will just have to keep the files under 20MB or something.

Anyone else have this issue on slashdot?

Never Underestimate... (5, Funny)

erpbridge (64037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157392)

the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with iPods.

ha-ha (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157427)

I guess someone just finished watching 4th DVD of the set :>

Enforced DRM (4, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157546)

Just goes to show you what enforced DRM and EULA's will do. Hardware and software manufacturers should always let us utilize their products the way we need to, not the way they want us to. You start throwing DRM into the mix and that limits the usefulness of the product. Go iPod!

OMG (0)

Magada (741361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157562)

Oh Lordy dearie! Next in line: IPods get enlisted into the drive to Mars. On a more serious note, I'm sick and tired of the Apple PR machine. Kudos to whoever's behind it, but please, stop it already. I'm sure that by this time *everybody* knows the IPod is the next best thing after the mouse.

Apple and the movie industry (3, Interesting)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157601)

Recent industry comment on some sites sees now-distributor-free Pixar Inc teaming up with Apple to offer digital video distribution.

While this may not be the case, its small stories like this that make me suspect that apple does have a future in the movie industry that goes beyond Final Cut and iMovie

Apple is getting in with the consumer of media products as well as the producer, and that has to be a good thing for them.

Apple leads the way in the digital creative arts (5, Insightful)

SPYDER Web (717344) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157699)

They really know what the artist needs. Apple has become the art supply store for the world. Being able to take any work no matter what medium and help with its creation is truly a wonderful thing. I am not a big apple supporter but its hard to argue with the impact apple has from Pixar animation to Lord of the rings. Every musician, film maker, and digital artist has an apple for a reason.

miniDV (0)

alecks (473298) | more than 10 years ago | (#8157750)

I still wish there was software you could install on the iPOD to make it act as a video drive. Hook it up directly to a miniDV camera via firewire and record video to it, rather than tape (or both)

Only for LOTR... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8157751)

It's not like many other films can do this. Who else could get a budget big enough to buy that many Apple products!
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