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Dell's New Linux Blog

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the tentative-steps dept.

Linux Business 317

comforteagle writes "I've just written up an interesting find: Linux engineers at Dell have started their own Linux site and weblog about Linux at Dell. From the announcement: "Welcome to the Dell Linux Community Web. This site is dedicated to providing any information that may be useful regarding your usage of Linux on your Dell equipment. While Dell primarily works with and officially supports Red Hat Linux, many of our customers choose to run other distributions." And perhaps more importantly it appears that the new site and weblog is run and maintained by the engineers themselves. It certainly has that 'made with vi' look." And kudyadi points to this PC Magazine interview with Michael Dell, in which Dell talks "about Dell's expanding product line, the company's late entrance into the Media Center space, and where the PC giant and the industry go from here." He touches on Linux just a bit, too.

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Smoke my fat cock (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217431)

you filthy sluts! FP+

YOUR COCK IS TOO WITHERED TO SMOKE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217545)

Dell's new Linux Blog (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217433)

Dell's new Linux Blog. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Dell's new Linux Blog (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217449)

It's whack wigger.

Re:Dell's new Linux Blog (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217505)

Sure we wang. Can wang.

Re:Dell's new Linux Blog (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217529)

Mightn't one go so far as to say it is wiggywhack?

dell plastic cases (-1, Flamebait)

lkcl (517947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217437)

hey, did they stop doing those plastic desktop cases yet? you know, the ones where if you took the top off you could lift one corner of the machine an inch clean off the ground whilst all three other corners stayed on the desk?

Re:dell plastic cases (0, Offtopic)

lkcl (517947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217454)

... cos if they haven't, then the U.S. military could buy Dells for their aircraft carriers, install linux, and then they'd have a reliable warship that didn't have to be towed in because windows crashed, and in rough seas the computers would flex as much as the ship.

Re:dell plastic cases (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217464)

fuck you're funny you little homo. Is your hand rubbing your small cock? How can you type with the other up your asshole?

Come out already (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217495)

You can come out already. Admit it. No-one's going to bash you for being gay. It's OK unless, of course, you live under the rule of the compassionate conservative, George W Bush.

Re:Come out already (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217514)

George W. Bush is, like sooooooo cute! I saw him on TV the other day and he gave me that look and I was like OMG WTF ^__^!!11 I'm gonna vote for him in 2004 even if it means I can't marry my gay lover. Sorry bout that, Rob.

Re:Come out already (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217522)

GWB touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his car and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told GWB the USA would not approve of a millionaire president touching an underage kid for free.

Can you believe it? GWB did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.

They definately were red flag touches. the goddamn secret service agent he had in the back seat kept on raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did GWB care? NO WAY! He just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with Mr. Bush but to no avail. I told him the USA would not approve of such a wealthy man touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.

This got to him, worrying about his image. He continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring the agent's red flags. Then he drove to my house and *ejected the seat I was in*! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it! Can you believe it?

Re:Come out already (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217597)

GWB touched my junk liberally

Don't be ridiculous.

Re:dell plastic cases (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217519)

...and remember, plastic doesn't rust!

Re:dell plastic cases (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217638)

YOU SHOULD FUCK HORSES!

Re:dell plastic cases (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217654)

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MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217512)

Some *funny* and *true* shit there!

bad start (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217438)

You don't "write a find", you write *about* a find.

Also toshiba has one (5, Informative)

Yag (537766) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217441)

Toshiba has an unofficial linux (and also *nix in general) support site at http://newsletter.toshiba-tro.de/main/ this is a lot useful to find machine hardware spec and linux (netware, *bsd) compatibility.

Re:Also toshiba has one (2, Funny)

chamenos (541447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217583)

i think the least the slashdot community could do to show their support for the dell linux blog is to not slashdot their blog. IMHO of course.

Ask Slashdot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217726)

Whoa!

I just downloaded gay porn from Kazaa for the first time. There's this white muscular dude assfucking a japanese dude who's moaning all the time. It was strangely arousing and I jacked off to it.

I hope I'm not becoming gay or something?

What?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217447)

This story sucks.

The Dell Linux GNU hippies (-1, Redundant)

t0qer (230538) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217451)

Should have taught the dell dude [internetweekly.org] how to smoke weed and not get caught.

Who else hates those fucking lame ass "dell interns"? Bring back the dell dude please!

Re:The Dell Linux GNU hippies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217489)

Smoking pot is a crime all over the world (whether it should be is another question altogether). If you keep breaking the law with impunity you're bound to get caught and punished. That's stupid.

Is your post a clever troll attempting to imply that open source community consists of stupid people?

Re:The Dell Linux GNU hippies (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217562)

YOU DAMN NIGGER CHINK FAGGOT KIKE SPICK TEABAGGER!!! OF COURSE THE OPEN SORES COMMUNITY IS FULL OF FUCKTARDS!!! I SWEAR, IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!

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Engineers Personal Blog (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217459)

One of the engineers, Gary Lerhaupt has a personal blog where he takes about this too [gary.gnaa.us] .

It's a pretty interesting read. He has a lot of interesting takes on the future of Linux.

MOD PARENT DOWN -- GNAA LINK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217469)

fucking gay nerds

Re:Engineers Personal Blog (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217473)

Hmm, I like where he says that Linux use on the desktop will rise as more major tech companies jump on it.

I've always agreed with this, as I feel having the support of a corp like IBM is just as important as the OSS community.

Re:Engineers Personal Blog (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217481)

I especially like the part where he stretches his anus and the woman's face is covered in shit.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE LINK!!!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217672)

The link takes you to sick and twisted stuff.

Hidden adenda? (-1, Troll)

barks (640793) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217468)

From the company that brought you the direct model in computing, we now bring you a direct link into our Linux team and their expertise.

Model in computing? Ahhh....so they want to show us how influencing Linux is done....yeah right Dell Dude.

How long will the blog last (1, Interesting)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217471)

I just wonder how long this blog will last.

I'm sure Dell (as a company) won't like this at all.

Re:How long will the blog last (1, Troll)

crsgrg (189291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217500)


The blog should last about as long as it takes Michael Dell to take his tongue out of Bill Gate's bunghole.

His position on AMD processors way back when was, "... we don't use them because our customers want to know/see that there is an Intel CPU inside..." (At the time, he was servicing Andrew Grove).

Don't forget about the "looks like a standard ATX power supply, but it's not - HA HA - joke's on you DUDE - pay up!!"

I could go on and on, but I won't.

Re:How long will the blog last (4, Insightful)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217572)

The blog should last about as long as it takes Michael Dell to take his tongue out of Bill Gate's bunghole.

From the interview:

I went over to a friend's house the other day. He was having problems with his computer and he asked me to look at it, and I realized he had Windows Me and it's like, oh no--that's your first problem.

In other news, I love Texas businessmen. :) Check this out:

so we're very happy to let the other guys have 100 percent of the 15 percent.

Not that I love Dell, or Michael Dell specifically, just that I really like the way Texas businessmen talk about their competition from time to time. There isn't any of this "we're gonna rule the world" crap. Usually just "as much as I can get, and I can get a lot". ;) (Only New Mexicans want to rule the world, and then they move to Seattle and find the drones to do it with :( )

Re:How long will the blog last (5, Insightful)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217542)

Why not? It's not as if they like MS in particular... because of MS, they have to charge their customers money for Windows, Office, Encarta, etc., when selling with a free system like GNU/Linux+GNOME||KDE would lower the price point and attact more sales. Unfortunately, this is counterbalanced by a stigma (not true, but there nonetheless) that "my apps don't run under Linux," as well as the percieved usability issues. Thus, Dell needs MS and their monopoly to survive in the consumer market. If Linux became a powerful force in the home, as well as for servers, then Dell would most likely love to sell Linux pre-loaded systems.

That's very speculative... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217602)

...and backed up with no evidence.

Dell's a really open-form company to work for - if you have a great idea, people higher than you are willing to listen and roll with it. Linux is an idea people at Dell will roll with. It might sound crazy, but you really have to look at the way Dell operate as a company; they constantly look for ways to minimize cost for the consumer and maximise profit.

Now, they might have had a rocky road recently with regards to their Linux support, but that's for a number of reasons. Firstly, they didn't have any in-house knowledge of the product. By knowledge I don't mean a guy that uses it at home, I mean a truckload of support guys on phones, people who write drivers, people who can alter the Dell install and build process to accommodate Linux. Secondly, Linux is a moving target; which distro, what GUI, how do you support other configs, etc. etc... These are both big questions for a company that's been churning out identical Windows boxes year in, year out.

So, I'd be interested to think why Dell will be pulling the plug on the blog. As someone who's worked for Dell, I'd pretty much guarantee that if the site's there, it's been approved and has resources attached to it. Those pages are corporate Dell pages, not your average blog knocked out by an engineer... someone's taking time and money to get that up there.

Re:That's very speculative... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217650)

As someone who's worked for Dell

So... how's Bangalore treating you?

Re:That's very speculative... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217746)

In Dell's case, it's not tech jobs that are being shipped off to India, but call center jobs. I left Dell EMEA in mid-2002 because I got a better offer from another company, not because I was outsourced to India.

In any case, call center jobs are ten a penny. Any industry - not just tech companies - will eventually ship off the lower end jobs to cheaper countries. I mean seriously, do you know anyone who actually enjoys working in a support call center and wants to make a career of it? Probably not. And most call center support technicians don't know anything about computers anyway, regardless of where they come from. It's like working at McDonalds; people just do it for the cash...

Re:That's very speculative... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217751)

It's like working at McDonalds; people just do it for the cash...

Uh. Maybe I'm missing something here but I'm not donating 8 hours of my weekdays to my employer for free - I do it for the cash, too.

What's your point?

Interesting (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217476)

Stuff like this is very important for Linux as a whole and dell as a company.

For instance I would of bought a Dell laptop in a heartbeat if I knew dell supported it and offered a Windows-less or linux OS pre-installed.

I just didn't want to pay the "mircosoft tax".

So I just got a slightly used gateway from Ebay instead.

Desktops I don't care so much about since I build my own computers, but laptops and such are only aviable from manufacturers and linux support is a big plus.

Yet another "rationale" for war from Bush (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217676)

"President Bush and Vice President Cheney said yesterday [washingtonpost.com] that the war in Iraq was justified because Saddam Hussein could have made weapons of mass destruction."

No more lies! Vote out the lying neo-cons in 2004!

Re:Interesting (2, Insightful)

neoThoth (125081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217716)

It will still be a long time before you see consumer level machines roll out with Linux on them. The amount of support required to hand hold dell consumers through something like, oh a kernel recompile would be enormous!

This is really focused on the enterprise effort (e.g. those who have enormous budgets and would like to make servers cost a lot less). The only possible consumer device that will come out of Dell with linux is a media center device. This is because users don't generally need to muck around with the OS in those set top devices. Servers are also immune from constant tinkering or at least should be.

Re:Interesting (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217734)

For instance I would of bought a Dell laptop in a heartbeat if I knew dell supported it and offered a Windows-less or linux OS pre-installed.

Well the fact of the matter is that Dell don't support Linux on either their Laptops, nor their Desktops. Only their 'high-end' Servers and Workstations.

Having just bought a Dell Inspiron 1100 and a competing product (HP nx9010) at the same time I can tell you that Dell support is lacking. I used each of those laptops to 'road-test' the respective support -- I ended up not buying Dell for a medium-sized company (25 stations) only because their Linux support is so poor.

They will figure it out eventually -- but I suspect HP will have bought them by then.

Re:Interesting (1, Interesting)

senatorpjt (709879) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217744)

I just didn't want to pay the "mircosoft tax".


I almost bought a Dell laptop, and that was the deciding factor that made me get a PowerBook. Yeah, I had to pay the Apple tax, but somehow that's different. At least I'm actually using OSX.

Linux/Dell is an expanding platform. (5, Interesting)

JPriest (547211) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217484)

There is a huge shift right now in several major companies to build servers with Dell rather than Sun/Solaris. I know a few companies that seem to be ordering 2650's by the truck load these days.

Clever way to get on-side (4, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217485)

Linux people typically prefer blog-type sites than flash-enabled marketroid zero-content stuff that pointy-eared bosses prefer.

Given that it uses a comments section, it'll probably turn into a useful technical resource as well... Could do with a decent search though :-(

Simon

Re:Clever way to get on-side (5, Funny)

Negative Response (650136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217525)

marketroid zero-content stuff that pointy-eared bosses prefer.

Um, so you are implying that marketing drones are likely to have elves as their bosses?

Re:Clever way to get on-side (4, Funny)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217535)

"you are implying that marketing drones are likely to have elves as their bosses?"


Do you not think that the association with fantasy-land would explain a lot? :-)

Simon

Re:Clever way to get on-side (1)

transient (232842) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217632)

I thought he was talking about highly logical bosses, which is of course a contradiction in terms.

MOD PARENT TROLL -1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217526)

His signature is a redirect to goatse.cx.

MOD PARENT -1, FUCKTARDED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217541)

Re:MOD PARENT TROLL -1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217574)

Now he's changed it. What a jerk!

Zero content? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217553)

I recently got promoted to a managerial position and I've begun to understand why us managers may appear like idiots to the code-grunts in the trenches.

We don't have the time to read blogs or address every silly detail in the same way as you do. We deal with the big picture (like making sure you get your salary next month) and delegate the details for you to work them out.

When we want feedback from you we want it on a couple of slides. We don't want to know how you tweaked your code to get 1% performance increase. We want to know how we're progressing and if there are any show-stopping problems.

Web pages you scorn don't have "zero content". It's just information us managers need.

Re:Clever way to get on-side (1)

m00nun1t (588082) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217660)

Maybe "pointy-eared bosses prefer" (the ones that bring enough money into the business to pay your wage) have different priorities to you. I work on the website of a largeish software company and we produce content on our site with the information that different users need.

"zero-content" stuff may contain zero technical content, but not everyone wants the deep technical content. They want to know how our software will help their business. The "pointy-eared bosses" find the content aimed at geeks quite useless.

Blog? (2)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217486)

Looks like the blog is little more than a news feed for new software releases. I doubt they would be able to post any significant stuff about where / how linux is being used within Dell.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217488)

weblog start YOU!

Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217501)

Hey Mike!

When are you going to start selling is Dell's with AMD inside? Better performance, better price. Everybody wins except Intel. Is that it?

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217587)

At least Intel CPUs don't go up in flames if the cooling fails.

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217593)

AMDs catch fire, possibly destroying the motherboard and the entire system if their cooling system fails.

Intel chips fail safe and turn themselves off.

Do you still think AMD is better value for money?
And how exactly do you sell a fire hazard to businesses?

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217615)

Do you still think purchasing Lunix is a better value for the money?
Even though it helps to support communist China?
Will you risk having blood on your hands?

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217740)

>Do you still think AMD is better value for money?

Yes, because unlike Dell workers, I spend 2 seconds to check if the heatsink is properly mounted.

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217714)

Michael holds out on AMD in order to get best terms with Intel. He doesn't pay the same for Intel parts that you do and there's no reason to believe AMD parts would be cheaper.

Michael is THE businessman. You aren't going to outthink him on cost.

Re:Hey Mike, don't dis AMD! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217719)

Are you done sucking Michael's dick? You are? Good. Now I can get back to more substantive posts.

Dell Linux Engineering (5, Interesting)

tronicum (617382) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217506)

It is quite interesting that Dell allows their departments to setup their own information systems in the way the focused customer is used to.

In such big companys there are often rules how to communicate with customers and they have common ways ("old fashioned") stuff like newsletters, discussion boards, press releases. If they now allow them to setup their own way this sounds like a benefit to the customer. Maybe they start a IRC Server next or publish their own set of linux patches (for dell specific needs).

BTW I would not buy a Dell labtop again my Inspiron is so poorly processed, if you press on the left side, it jiggles at the other....

Re:Dell Linux Engineering (5, Funny)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217516)

I would not buy a Dell labtop

You spend a lot time on e-bay [slashdot.org] , now don't you?-)

Re:Dell Linux Engineering (1)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217546)

Nah... he just means lab-counter top computers... you know, those things in the Pbysics labs that let you enter in your lab report whilst your partners are hard and work, then e-mail the report to yourself...

Hopefully they change things at Dell (4, Informative)

mr_lithic (563105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217544)

This looks promising for those who have tried to deploy Linux on Dell Kit.

The lack of official support for linux on the Dell Desktop and Laptop Hardware has been one of the biggest impediments to rolling out a Linux User Machine in our enterprise.

While many of the development machines and older kit are fully integrated with the Linux OS, the new and less expensive kit is a complete pain to get to work.

One example is the Inspiron 1100 which has a massive problem with the video BIOS and Linux and takes a lot of work to get it right.

If Dell makes moves in the direction of support linux in the desktop, it can only help sales. I would definitely make Linux Desktop Support a part of a purchasing decision.

Re:Hopefully they change things at Dell (2, Interesting)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217557)

If Dell makes moves in the direction of support linux in the desktop, it can only help sales. I would definitely make Linux Desktop Support a part of a purchasing decision.
That is, until MS decides to nip Linux in the bud and add a clause to the contract that no company which resells Windows OEM may support or contribute to Linux. Remember, MS thinks that we are a viable threat now, and they have been known to do such things... hence the DOJ lawsuits. Speaking of which, they won't mind the cost of being sued again, since it's likely going to be another slap on the wrist.

Re:Hopefully they change things at Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217717)

"MS thinks that we are a viable threat now"

We? What sort of code does a McD's burger boy contribute to the "movement"

Re:Hopefully they change things at Dell (2, Interesting)

mr_lithic (563105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217636)

That is, until MS decides to nip Linux in the bud and add a clause to the contract that no company which resells Windows OEM may support or contribute to Linux. I know that they did this before with other Hardware Suppliers.

I am wondering why the Anti-Trust people did not look at this aspect of Microsoft activities rather than the link between IE and the OS.

What is the answer to this? I would be deploying Linux on Windows licensed kit since the OS expense is already part of the budget. Also I would not like to have the Software Nazi's show and audit us with more desktops than Microsoft OS Licenses.

The reason for deploying Linux on the desktop is not for price reasons but stability and lowering support load. Therefore, the Microsoft licenses will be bought, but it woiuld still be good to have hardware support for the Linux OS on Dell desktops.

Re:Hopefully they change things at Dell (1)

neoThoth (125081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217708)

If your running an enterprise what in the name of are you running Inspiron's for? Those are what we call "consumer" laptops and generally for small/medium business and .. well consumers. There's no backwards compatible hardware support in that line, that's why there is Latitude. If your running an enterprise I'd highly suggest going in that direction. Latitudes aren't perfect (I find the 'l' key to get iffy after a year or two) but the beauty is I can get parts all over the place for cheap because the 4 year old laptops can xfer 45%-70% of it's parts to this years model.

Where the f*** is IBM!?! (4, Interesting)

lonesometrainer (138112) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217548)

So, even Dell offers you *some* kind of installation support for Linux on Desktop Systems and Laptops (read: links to community supported laptop-groups, i bet that there's one or two active dell employees). I bet that there'll be some more support on that page in the future.

And our big linux brother IBM? Nada. At least where I live (europe) the official statement is and has been since 1999: IBM only supports Windows on these systems.

There are good internet resources and mailing-lists, *but* the only way to get there is google (no link at ibm.com, etc.)

IBM is cheating on us.

Re:Where the f*** is IBM!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217603)

Exactly. Why the hell can't I buy a Thinkpad that is suitable for running Linux on? Everybody knows that Thinkpads are the best made x86 portables - but they are a lot less interesting with the Microsoft tax.

I don't even care if comes preloaded with Lindows (they have an edition specifically for notebooks now) - just get me the hell away from Microsoft (and Apple since MS owns 15% of that company).

Re:Where the f*** is IBM!?! (3, Informative)

bruthasj (175228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217640)

What are you smoking? Here in Asia, there are frontend vendors that are "IBM" distributors. They do provide support here and for all kinds of servers. For example, I've setup 4 different x330 series clusters from 15 up to 28 computer racks and the local IBM has given great support, including but not limited to:

1. Setting up the OS.
2. Downloading and recompiling appropriate kernel modules.
3. Setting up monitoring systems.
4. Setting up networking and hostnames.
5. Setting up some services.

Your problem is not IBM, it's the local vendor company who says they are "IBM".

Re:Where the f*** is IBM!?! (1)

222 (551054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217648)

Your absolutely right. Spending millions in legal fees for what is inevitably going to be a keystone judgement for Linux is small potatoes compared to a website with installation information.

They had Linux for Thinkpads (1)

oddityfds (138457) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217656)

When I (actually my employer) bought my IBM Thinkpad T20 they did sell it with some kind of officially supported Linux distribution. I ended up getting it with Windows 98 anyway, because at the time I wanted to dualboot. It was nice to know that some kind of Linux would run on the thing, though. I much prefer my Fedora installation nowadays, though.

Re:Where the f*** is IBM!?! (1)

Keiner Niemand (711440) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217659)

IBM doesn't officially support Linux, meaning no guarantee it will work, not destroy your files etc., and you cannot buy support (as a "normal" user, servers with linux will get official support)

Re:Where the f*** is IBM!?! (3, Informative)

root_42 (103434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217701)

So, even Dell offers you *some* kind of installation support for Linux on Desktop Systems and Laptops
And what about this:

http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-48 NT8D.html

It took me not about 3 clicks from the IBM frontpage to get there. The site mentioned above includes some articles about installing RH Linux on ThinkPads and configuring stuff like Bluetooth. I think that's pretty neat and there are also vendors who sell Thinkpads with Linux preinstalled.

But don't call Dell they're busy right now! (4, Funny)

badzilla (50355) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217551)

Hmm but I'm not convinced that they're really fully behind this! [tinyurl.com]

Re:But don't call Dell they're busy right now! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217569)

Nice troll. The message is entirely in the URL. This is not a Dell inside joke...

Re:But don't call Dell they're busy right now! (2, Informative)

theTerribleRobbo (661592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217686)

But it's a nice little hack/crack all the same, whoever found it (probably not the grandparent poster, I'd hazard a guess). :-)

Vi look works (4, Insightful)

POds (241854) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217559)

I only saw the first page, but thats one of the nicest web pages i've seen done by engineers...

Plus who says you cant created good webpages with nothing except a text editor of your choice?

Re:Vi look works (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217649)

Hmm, references to fonts in the stylesheet suggest it wasn't created by hand.

Maybe that's just me being a skeptic.

My favorite quote (4, Funny)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217579)

From the interview, Micheal dell speaking about windows ME
MD: I went over to a friend's house the other day. He was having problems with his computer and he asked me to look at it, and I realized he had Windows Me and it's like, oh no--that's your first problem.

Licensing issues (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217601)

Dell's management should immediately shut the site down, lest SCO sues them too. It's too bad filthy Lunix zealots have found sanctuary inside of Dell. Myself, I can't wait till all the Lunix hippies get run out of the country after SCO wins. Then, the US will finally be rid of the socialist software menace.

What's with the site design? (-1, Troll)

azaris (699901) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217614)

Do the Dell engineers know that people nowadays use resolutions higher than 800x600? And even then only about 3/4 of the width is actually used!

Re:What's with the site design? (2, Informative)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217705)

Many people I know over 50 years old prefer 800x600. Ever watch an older person squint painfully at a 1024x768 screen? More people than you know use 800x600.

Re:What's with the site design? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217723)

And these are the ones that will be using Dell's linux pages?

Most people I know that use 800x600 don't actually know how to change i. When I show them they are amazed. I doubt many people over 50 "choose" 800x600 because they prefer it.

They should call Dell in Sweden (5, Informative)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217624)

If they are so damn Linux friendly they should call Dell in Sweden and talk to them.

I was looking for a new computer a couple of months ago. Some of the Dell laptop deals looked pretty good. I called them and said "I'm interested in that model. Is it possible to get it with another operating system, say Linux, installed?"
Dell: "No, I'm afraid that is not possible."
Me: "Would it be possible to get it with a blank hard drive then?"
Dell: "No, I'm sorry, we have a deal with Microsoft. You have the choice between Windows XP home or Pro, that's basically it. You know, you could always reformat the harddrive and install Linux yourself if that is what you want."
Me: "So you will not sell me a computer unless it has Windows on it?"
Dell: "I'm afraid so."

I said thanks but no thanks and hung up. Even if Dell gets Windows at a huge discount, I don't want to pay for software I'm not going to use. Nor do I want to add to Microsoft's false sales statistics.

This is all a very familiar story to all Slashdot regulars I'm sure. I do hope the major PC sellers are starting to come around though.

Re:They should call Dell in Sweden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217687)

I second !

I wanted to purchase a Dell laptop few weeks ago. But it was not possible to select "no OS" from the web interface. I decided to send an email but got no response.

A more customer lost !

Re:They should call Dell in Sweden (5, Informative)

fred87 (720738) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217704)

After getting the laptop, contact them saying you don't agree with the MS EULA, which entitles you to a full refund for the software.

Linux zealots (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8217642)

A spectre is haunting the world, the spectre of the Linux zealot.

What the Linux zealot is will appear evident to whoever has experienced or came in contact with the discussions which daily rage the Web disguised as news, e-mails, reference material, etc. The Linux zealot, is nothing but an animal wandering unceasingly in virtual and true reality (which moreover he treats in the same way) claiming to be an authority on the Linux operating system, an out-and-out guarantor for everyone's freedom, opposed to any safeguard of intellectual works (for a Linux zealot, the expression "copyright" is tantamount to sin against the Holy Spirit: there is no kind of expiation); in fact, he champions software freedom as a fundamental point for world evolution.

But first and foremost, the Linux zealot is a deeply dangerous being as he claims to be the guardian of truth, and sees with suspicion (when it goes off well) or scorn (for the rest of cases, i.e. most of them) those people who simply think differently from him.

But what's Linux? A Linux zealot will never give an authentic answer to this kind of question. He won't, not because he doesn't want to (even if this is the case), but because this question has been answered already, somewhere else by someone else. Linux is nothing but an operating system. The Linux zealot will claim that it is a different operating system from all others. But this is not the case. Because an OS is an OS, its main function is to manage the resources of a machine we will call "computer" from now on, for comfort of description. By the term "computer" we mean what is commonly meant by this expression, i. e. the system of hardware resources which are fixed to a certain purpose, be it home use, business use, or server management. Linux is an operating system. Like Windows, MS-DOS, OS/2, etc. There is no difference, in this sense, between Linux and other operating systems. Linux manages a computer, no more, no less. So do MS-DOS, Windows and OS/2. What the Linux zealot self-importantly and arrogantly highlights, is the fact that Linux is a free operating system, i.e., it is made available free of charge to the end user. This of course isn't true at all, but the Linux Zealot believes it. Linux is freely distributable, not free of charge. This means that the kernel and everything included in the operating system's minimal requirements can be freely distributed, not that they must be distributed free of charge. This is the first great misapprehension of the Linux zealots, who find their claim challenged by facts: if the essential parts which make the operating system, and some additional software, are freely distributable, they should explain the reason of the costs -- not prohibitive but certainly notable -- of the most popular Linux distributions, Red Hat and SuSE foremost. And most of all, they should explain the fact that companies like Red Hat are regularly listed on the stock exchange, and Mr. Linux Torvalds enjoys a rather high standard of living. These benefactors of mankind, these software alternatives, these computer non-conformists (so much non-conformist as to be terribly conformist in their non-conformism) naturally justify the distributing companies' profits with excuses like "but there's a printed manual", "but the bundled software is qualitatively and numerically superior compared to the most popular distribution". "but it is easier to install" and other unspeakable nonsense. "On the other hand" they say "if someone wants Linux, they can just as easily download it from the Internet". Sure. Download it from the Internet. But how long must you stay connected, if you regularly pay an Internet bill, to complete the download of an updated version of a decent distribution of an operating system? So what? Is Linux free? No. Linux is not free, same as nothing downloaded from the Internet is free, unless you have access to an University server or can in whatever way scrounge a connection. If you ask a Linux zealot to burn the material you are interested in, he will do so with great disappointment, and at least he will ask the money for the CD back, or will invite you to make a donation to the GNU project, another sublime decoy produced by the zealots' ingenuity.

Why don't Linux zealots explain what Linux is and how it works? Simply because it is characteristic of the Linux zealot to be self-sufficient, to be content with what he himself (as a single person or as a representative of the collective entity of this operating system's users) makes. In this, the Linux zealot is wholly equivalent to modern religious cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses, or ones of the last century, like the Mormons. The Linux zealot never asks anything outside of what the Linux world makes inside itself: in fact, he gets all the angrier everytime he has to deal with news, questions and inquisitiveness from the outside world. In this case, one cannot say that the Linux zealot be on par with his co-religionists of the Kingdom Hall. In fact, when Jehovah's Witnesses are asked questions by an external person, they are glad, they try to explain, they're inclined to a dialogue, and they bring themselves into question. If they don't have a sure answer on the question of the Trinity, they say: "Sorry, I can't answer you now, but I'll of course think about it, perhaps we'll meet in a few days and I'll give you an answer which is based on something firmer than my personal hypotheses". It's a fair attitude. Saying "I don't know" when someone asks us something is a good start. You stop, you collect informations, you work out, and then you go on. Instead the Linux zealot doesn't do so, he refers you to his literature, and that's it.

Hence, to the question "What's Linux?", which can be replaced by an appropriate number of other questions on the subject, according to the interlocutor's interest, the Linux zealot will always answer referring you to something others wrote for him, showing not only unparalleled pride and haughtyness, but especially a clear inability to reason for himself, seeing his stubbornness to persist putting forward solutions which are found inside documentation or manuals written by someone else. If moreover you approach the Linux world through the gateway of the so-called "external" (e.g. manuals bought in a bookstore, books or publications which aim to explain the Linux operating system and phenomenon to "people"), you will be looked upon with scorn, because for a Linux zealot, anything dealing with Linux which was not produced inside the Linux official channels does not merit consideration. If, for instance, you are looking for a manual and you find one of these books (absolutely useless in most cases, one must admit) which cost at least $ 50, containing step-by-step instructions for Linux installation and usage, possibly with an obsolete CD attached, and decide to pick it up, the true Linux zealot will give you his usual scornful look, and will say you were ripped off, as there are some wonderful tools on the Internet, which are called "Linux Documentation Project", which were written by a lunatic who had the wonderful idea to gather up a ponderous work where, of course, you won't find any answer to your questions, and in addition, it's free. Do you have a SuSE distribution and don't know how to install it? Don't be frightened: you won't find a solution in the Linux Documentation Project. Never mind though; the work is ponderous, someone got the brilliant idea of making it available free of charge (and hitherto it's entirely their own business), but it's not necessarily valid. Should you try printing it, what with the paper and the ink cartridge -- not to talk of the printer itself, which may well be a write-off in the end -- you will spend a lot more that the dead tree book and CD you had set yourself to buy.

One cannot see why the Linux zealot has to look up and down anyone who commits the crime of not applying to the usual informative circuit of truth distribution. It's as if the mafia got angry at a drug addict who took detoxification instead of applying to his usual dealer for his daily supply of illegal drugs. In the Linux world, everything which is approved is legal. In this sense, the Linux zealot has no differences whatsoever with the Holy Inquisition or with the Imprimatur Commission of the Holiest Romanest Apostolicest Churchest.

Because what one does verify, is that Linux is a hard-to-use operating system, at least in the install phase. Especially if one wants to make it cohabit, at the start, with another OS with better-known features, waiting until one is more familiar with it, one must know what a partition is, how to create one, how two operating systems can safely coexist, and so on. But the Linux zealot doesn't explain this, he doesn't want to. "There are loads of explanations and publications; if one doesn't know what to do, he should refer to these and he'll find the solution to his question. If he doesn't, it's a sign that he hasn't understood some basic concepts, and he must go a step backwards before carrying on". It's a very peaceful and logic wiewpoint on the surface. On the contrary, it's extremely violent and disrespectful. It's violent because one quietly calls the user an idiot without taking direct liability for what one says. It's disrespectful, because every user is different, and everyone has different requirements from time to time, from machine to machine.

What the Linux zealot never understood and will never understand, is that it's the user who chooses the available resources he needs, out of how he needs them, and out of how he can use them, there are no ready-made solutions which fit everyone. This is why the Linux philosophy is losing and will never gain ground, because it's not respectful, it's angry, it's gloomly and worryingly contentious, it demands others to adapt without being content with adapting to others' requirements. The Linux zealot doesn't proselytize those who are interested in using Linux, even if just to see how it works; the Linux zealot crusades against all other operating systems, especially Microsoft's. If someone doesn't agree with the way Microsoft work, distribute, and sell their software, or with their already unchallenged domination over the market, it's fair that he should create his own alternative channels, but it isn't at all fair that he demand others to comply. If a Windows user asks a Linux user about a malfunction he found in his operating system (Windows, not Linux), at the very least he will be answered that Windows is an OS that doesn't work, that it can't be OK, that Bill Gates sells his products and that these products are paid even if they're included with a computer. Among the Linux zealots there are the mysterious figures of the Microsoft conscientious objectors, i.e. those who buy a computer, demand a bare machine, and ask for the operating system money back, pointing out that they're free to install whatever they want on their computer. With the result that the storekeeper understands he has a PITA in front of him, and sells the computer to someone else who doesn't make such a fuss, or sells the bare thing to him, making however a profit on the sale of the operating system he retains to himself, and will sell underhand to someone else. This is the great illusion: the Linux zealots think they've put a "system" under check, but the system keeps working even without them, or rather better, because from the business point of view, the less headaches the better. The saying of the Linux zealot is not "people have the right to do what they want" (in which case one cannot see why he gets so angry on those who use Microsoft products, as they also are doing what they want!), it is "I do what I want and the world must see and must know". Indeed. But one doesn't see why. One doesn't see why the world ought to know that a Linuz zealot uses Linux, same as one doesn't see why it should know that Linux exists and is free. If someone chooses to buy an OS which costs money, but allows him to do stuff more intuitively, one doesn't see why he could not. It's exactly like people who can't ski, and instead of plunging on the slope and snowploughing, they pay for the lessons of an instructor on the beginners' slope. The idiocy of the Linux philosophy appears particularly in the claim of free circulation of the OS and software in question. It's not by chance that Linux is a very common operating system in anarchoid environments. And when one speaks of anarchoid environments, one means precisely "anarchoid", not "anarchist". These who respect freedom do not force their truth on others' choices.

Windows crashes on you? First of all, you must reformat your hard drive and install Linux. Can't use an operating system without a GUI? Don't be afraid, Linux has an extremely heavy-to-load ugly-as-hell user-friendly interface, which will solve every problem for you, by shamelessly copying Windows. So then, we might just as well keep using Windows, which at least we know, and has a more pleasing look. You know, Linux zealots are especially angry by nature, and they object to this remark that there's no reason whatsoever to use Windows. If they need a word processor or a spreadsheet, there are free ones for Linux, without need for Office: in conclusion, Linux has everything you need to manage anything, so why insist on using something you must pay for when there are other applications which are free? The answer is simple: because it's not their own business. But they don't know this, or rather, so they pretend. Choices are no longer personal: everyone can use what he wants, as long as he uses what they want.

One of the objections which most frequently are made to the Linux zealot is that Linux is a hard to learn OS, that one must be a programmer, or anyway, know a lot about programming, to modify the source codes of freely distributed programs. Linux zealots use to answer, with the snooty self-importance which sets them apart, that Linux is a software made exactly for these in the know. So why on earth do they want Linux to be accessible to the humblest of users? If one can't program, if one can't use Linux, why should he be forced to use it? The answer is very simple again: because otherwise Linux zealots get angry and take it as a personal offence. Same as the fact that there are some people who develop software for whichever OS and sell it making a profit from their work is a personal offence. Again, the solution is only too simple, one doesn't need to bother Dr. Watson to find it: as copying software without permission is a crime in most countries, instead of attacking the law, they attack these who profit from it. These people clearly have never bought a newspaper in their life, when they go to the bookstore, they walk up to the pay desk with provocative and know-all attitude, and start saying: "A book cannot be intellectual property of the author, but of the people who read it".

For them, the intellectual work does not exist as such, but as a collective work. They wanted to make a free OS? Indeed, and they even want us to thank them. We can. Provided that they leave us, at last, in peace. Laughing.

it's great to see ! (5, Insightful)

maharg (182366) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217694)

EDD Disk Signature patch accepted into kernel 2.6.2-rc1-mm1
Dell engineers have submitted a kernel patch which allows Linux to determine which disk the BIOS believes is the system boot disk. Without this patch, Linux must guess which disk BIOS believes is the boot disk, which is pretty easy in a simple system configuration, but impossible in a system with multiple disks attached to multiple controllers.

Yep. It's great to see people from companies like Intel,IBM, SGI, HP, Dell all contributing [kernel.org] .
I would imagine that these guys *really* want linux to succeed so they can stopping sucking up to redmond.
[/zealotry]

Microsoft will love this (3, Funny)

JonathanF (532591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8217703)

So how many seconds will it take before Microsoft pulls its license agreement with Dell and files a lawsuit? :)
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