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Mozilla Firebird gets .8 Release, and New Name

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the what's-a-name-between-friends dept.

Mozilla 902

Yage writes "Firebird, the lightweight version of Mozilla gets release 0.8 and changes its name again (remember Phoenix?) to avoid confusion with another OSS project. The new name is Firefox. There's a press release out about the name change and new version. And, as usual, download it from mozilla.org." Worth noting that ThunderBird .5 has been released as well. Update: 02/09 14:55 GMT by H : Thanks to Steve Garrity for pointing out the name change FAQ.

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firefox (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224565)

why the frequent name changes?

Re:firefox (5, Informative)

blackcat++ (168398) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224610)

As stated in the press release [mozilla.org] , "[t]o avoid overlap with another open source project". That would be the Firebird database [sourceforge.net] .

Re:firefox (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224617)

Next:
Firefag - The gay tool for all your trolling needs

Re:firefox (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224724)

Yeah, it's a shit name. Even worse than Firebird. I always go through the source and change all instances of Firebird/Firefox back to Phoenix.

Totally brutal... (5, Interesting)

danielrm26 (567852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224566)

I can overlook their game of musical names; the browser is just phenomenal. I seldom even go to IE anymore, and when I do have to, I blame the guy who coded the site, not Firebird -- I mean Firefox.

Re:Totally brutal... (5, Funny)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224621)

let's just hope this stays permanent. it's hard now to have a conversation with someone about the browser and/or the email client.

Person 1: "Hey I just started using Mozilla!"
Person 2: "Oh yeah? 1.5?"
Person 1: "No, .8"
Person 2: "Oh you mean Firebird."
Person 1: "No, I think it's Firefox."
Person 3: "I loved that show on Fox, it's a shame they canceled it."
Person 2: "You're thinking of Firefly."
Person 1: "Wait, was that the one with the marionettes?"
Person 3: "No, I think that's an email client."

Mike

Re:Totally brutal... (4, Funny)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224627)

Re:Totally brutal... (1)

twbecker (315312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224649)

The article claims they have researched the name thoroughly, and have applied for the trademark. Personally, I like the name, and more importantly, the browser kicks ass.

marketing school (3, Insightful)

glassesmonkey (684291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224653)

Why can't they figure out these names are all dumb and poor for brand recognition.

Is Mozilla Lite just too obvious for them?! How about Mozilla Jr. and then you could make yet another cute dinosaur! You could even make a family photo out of the whole suite..

NOT mozilla-lite (3, Informative)

levell (538346) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224679)

The point is that Firefox is NOT supposed to be mozilla-lite or Mozilla-Jnr; it may replace Mozilla in the long term (although the suite has a stay of execution for now). It's supposed to be a powerful browser, not what would be implied by your (already discussed) Mozilla-lite tag.

Re:NOT mozilla-lite (4, Funny)

eraserewind (446891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224704)

How about Browzilla?

Mirror (5, Informative)

Patik (584959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224567)

Be sure to use a mirror [mozilla.org] , it's getting slow already.

Re:Mirror (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224643)

'k, guys: who modded this faggot Informative?

With the way these guys get into name disputes... (5, Funny)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224580)

...it's surprising they didn't name it "Starfox".

(Apologies to Eli. :)

Re:With the way these guys get into name disputes. (2, Funny)

spoodie (641820) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224684)

If they did it would have to be renamed Lylat Browser for the European market.

damn (0, Redundant)

relrelrel (737051) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224581)

I just submitted this. Anyhoo, Firebird is/was? a great browser. It's just so simple and quick and feels really lite that it's a pleasure to use. One thing I would like, though, would be an automatic reload on right-click like Opera has got. Does anyone know of any plugins for this?

Dammit. (5, Insightful)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224582)

Stop playing name games. That's the sort of thing that can really hurt adoption.

Re:Dammit. (-1, Offtopic)

hyperherod (574576) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224604)

Stop playing name games. That's the sort of thing that can really hurt adoption.

Quick! Let's start an OSS project called Firefox!

Re:Dammit. (1)

bro1 (143618) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224639)

Sure changing name is no good under normal circumstances. But changing name from FireBird to something is good.

My rule is simple: ambiguity is bad.

Re:Dammit. (1)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224676)

I still say it's bad for a number of reasons. It does help that the new name shares the first syllable with the old one.

On really! (0, Redundant)

tobybuk (633332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224583)

For god sake - It's a bloody difficuly sell when the bloody name keeps changing.

Now I have to tell people that the Mozilla Browser was dead, was called FireBird and is now named after a 80's film.

We should keep a book on what the next releases name will be.

Re:On really! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224701)

You forgot: 'Starring Clint Eastwood as Dirty Special Forces Pilot Dude!'

-- vranash

A good laugh.... (-1, Troll)

DubNoBass303 (688547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224584)

Alright, I got a kick outta this. The first line of the article starts out "February 9, 2004 (the Internet)"...

Just a friendly reminder, perhaps? Am I the only one that heard 'dun dun dun!!!' after 'the internet'?

Mozilla convert (1)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224585)

I must say.. i thought when people gave Mozilla such a good rep that it must just be OSS zelots over hyping :P

How *WRONG* was I? Mozilla totally wastes IE in pretty much every department!

I only use IE for crap sites that require it. For everything else i use Mozilla ;)

Simon.

I'm just thinking... (0, Redundant)

ernstp (641161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224586)

Clint Eastwood and a big, sturdy, russian plane!

..what about that, don't they have a trademark on their movie?

Re:I'm just thinking... (2, Informative)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224636)

Wasn't it a book before being a film? Anyway, Mozilla have consulted lawyers, and trademarked/copyrighted/whatever this name in the US and Europe, so I think we can assume no legal probs with the name.

Re:I'm just thinking... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224683)

"You must think in Russian...think in Russian.."

Re:I'm just thinking... (1)

ernstp (641161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224716)

The real thing! [amazon.com]

More Information (5, Informative)

dryan (709968) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224588)

A FAQ about the name change can be found here [mozilla.org] .

There's also a thread on the mozillazine forums about the name change here [mozillazine.org]

The new name (0)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224589)

I thought it was crap when I first heard it.

but look at that logo! beautiful!

can't wait to have it on my taskbar, but can't get a download atm.

reminds me a little of Starfox/wing...

Re:The new name (1)

Tanami (601011) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224674)

The big logo looks nice, but the one on your taskbar will look like a tomato ;-)

Browser is excellent though.

Avoiding Confusion? (4, Funny)

Gudlyf (544445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224590)

What about now, with Craig Thomas's book [bookchecker.com] ? I can hear it now:

"What's wrong with your browser, dude?"
"Firefox down, man. Firefox down."

How creative (5, Interesting)

DeadSea (69598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224592)

If you rename something to prevent confusion with other products don't you think you should avoid something that is already a
  1. Book series [firefox.com]
  2. Wire mesh manufacturer [firefox-fx.com]
  3. Movie with Clint Eastwood [imdb.com]
  4. Atari game [klov.com]
  5. Web design company specializing in horses [firefox.org]
  6. A game controller [whitedog.co.uk]
  7. A safety technology company [firefoxind.com]
  8. An all-girl hard rockin' poppin' pounding band from Tacoma, Washingto [firefoxmusic.com]
  9. A model airplane [geocities.com]
  10. A slashdot user who posted twice in 1999 [slashdot.org]

The good things about the name:

  1. It doesn't sound like another similar product (eg Lindows)
  2. It doesn't have the name of the OS it was originally designed to run on in it. (eg WinZip)
  3. It doesn't have the name of the programming language used to create it in it (eg JavaInvaders)
  4. It is unlikely to cause confusion with another software product (except maybe the video game), unlike Firebird.
  5. It doesn't use a famous trademark (at least they didn't name it Nike)

I've said this in the past, and I will say it again. If you are naming your open source software, make it something unique. Why would you want to compete for search terms with all these other people, products, corporations, and organizations. If your product has merit, then people will recognize the name that you give it and you will get brand loyalty. There is no need show your similarity to other products or your system requirements in your name.

Movie with Clint Eastwood (5, Funny)

dpilot (134227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224619)

Does this mean that Firefox will have thought-controlled anti-spam and popup suppression?

Re:Movie with Clint Eastwood (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224631)

Yes, but you have to think at it in Russian.

Chris Mattern

Re:How creative (0, Offtopic)

ghum (109642) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224663)

Have you looked at the an all-girl hard rockin??? they make BIG mistakes:
  • No pictures
  • Mailadress @ hotmail

Shhhhh! (-1, Offtopic)

eraserewind (446891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224666)

They'll hear you!

Re:How creative (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224711)

look, the other way than to choose names like that is to make something up like 'Buikoler-browswer', how good does that sound?

tho can't imagine it being that bad if one would go through with google to see if there's _anything_ out there with the same name. however if one did this then there would be people complaining that "how are you supposed to spell that over the phone line???".

Re:How creative (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224717)

I've said this in the past, and I will say it again. Most open source programmers are dumbasses.

Re:How creative (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224734)

If you rename something to prevent confusion with other products don't you think you should avoid something that is already a [long list]

To avoid further confusion, version 0.9 will be given a new, really-truly-final name.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Mozilla Organisation presents - Mozilla Cabbage-Scraunch-O-Echidna-Matique!

Thank you.

Its too bad the names are all unrelated (1)

hey (83763) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224593)

Its seems like basic branding to have some part of the name common for all an enterprise's products.
MozBird, MozFox MozCam sound good too me.

the names used to be so much cooler (4, Insightful)

crayz (1056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224685)

Think about it:

Phoenix, Chimera, and Minotaur

are now

Firefox, Camino, and Thunderbird :(

Theme (5, Informative)

gngulrajani (52431) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224595)

Be sure to set your theme to default --

i lost my scrollbars and some buttons when i used
the "Orbit Green" theme.

otherwise the aa'ed fonts look great under linux and copy/paste seems is improved.

-greg

This is because of an API change (5, Informative)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224634)

This is because the authors of the themes have not updated their themes to support Firefox 0.8. In between Firebird 0.7 and Firefox 0.8 there were several changes made to the internal APIs which broke many themes. Because the theme authors do not want to waste time on a moving target, they collectively decided to wait until Firefox 0.8 was released. As a result, you will either have to wait for your theme to be updated or bug the theme author to fix their theme.

Dang it (5, Insightful)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224598)

You know, I wish they would stop changing their name. I use Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox as my sole browser and absolutely enjoy it. The problem is, I am trying to get my family to use it as well, but trying to keep them straight on what it is called is getting a little ridiculous.
Conversation with family: "You know that browser I gave you a link on...No, not Mozilla. Yeah, it was Firebird. No now its called Firefox. I don't know why, just use it"

Name Change FYI (-1, Redundant)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224599)

They have a good reason for changing the name. There is another Open Source project that has been around longer with the name Firebird.

I Think the new name is lamer than the old one but it is a great jesture to the open source world to do this.

Go ahead... make my day (-1, Redundant)

Locky (608008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224600)

Looks like they'll be in for another name change soon [imdb.com] ;)

Not keen on the name (1)

Psiren (6145) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224602)

Personally I'm not keen on the name. But a lot of open source software has what I would call dumb names. But at the end of the day, it's their software and they can call it whatever name they choose. The important thing is that the software is functional, and firebox certainly seems to be that. Congratulations and thanks go out to all those involved.

Re:Not keen on the name (1, Funny)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224658)

Yeah.. Firebox is a dumb name, I don't like it either. However Firebird has been renamed to Firefox.. which is a little better.

More Confusion (-1, Redundant)

manganese4 (726568) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224603)

Won't people simply confuse it with the movie [imdb.com] of the same name?

Re:More Confusion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224650)

yes. yes they will.

Trademarked by Mozilla. Good thing! (5, Informative)

simpleguy (5686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224605)

Word Mark:FIREFOX

Goods and Services:
IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Browsers, namely, software for browsing and interacting with data on the global computer network and secure private networks, and software programs to connect computers to the global computer network and to secure private networks

Owner(APPLICANT):
Mozilla Foundation NON-PROFIT CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1350 Villa Street, Suite C Mountain View CALIFORNIA 940411126

Filing Date:
December 22, 2003

Information found with a search on uspto.gov

The name change was done for a reason (4, Informative)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224606)

Ben Goodger made a blog entry where he explained the entire rationale behind the name change to Firefox: http://www.bengoodger.com/weblog/archives/cat_mozb log.shtml [bengoodger.com]

Some of the MozillaZine forum members share the dismay of earlier posters over how this may damage evangelism efforts, because of the effort required in explaining the similarities and differences between Firebird and Firefox. Either way, because Firebird is beta software, these types of name changes can happen with minimal disruption. Imagine what would have happened if this was Firefox 1.0, not Firefox 0.8.

surprising (1)

real_smiff (611054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224675)

from the first paragraph:
"[problems with the name change] was the primary reason for the six week delay in shipping our 0.8 release."
that's... kinda depressing actually.

Re:The name change was done for a reason (4, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224707)

Imagine what would have happened if this was Firefox 1.0, not Firefox 0.8.

[SARCASM]

Oh the horror!

[/SARCASM]

-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]

Jesus=Gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224607)

1. His best friend was female(Mary Magdalen)
2. He hung around with 12 men
3. He was really interested in sailors
4. He got impaled by 2 Roman soldiers
5. He cried "My God, my God" when it happened
6. Pontius Pilate ordered him to be nailed on a cross
He wore robes
8. He had long hair
9. He kissed Judas Iscariot
10. He never got married or had sex with a woman

Jesus=blatant homosexual

"suffer unto me the little children"

Jesus=predatory gay paedophile

Re:Jesus=Gay (1, Funny)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224687)

11. Prophet????

New release... (1, Informative)

Shinobi (19308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224608)

yet it's still sluggish compared to Opera, and uses more memory on my box here in class.

Re:New release... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224733)

Of course it is free and substantially less hideous.

In their FAQ (-1, Redundant)

relrelrel (737051) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224613)

Mozilla Firefox - Brand Name FAQ
-----
Why change the name?

To avoid overlap. The colloquial name "Firebird" is also in use by another open source project. While we don't believe our use of the Firebird name infringed on their trademark, we wanted to be responsive to the concerns of fellow open source developers.

Why has it taken so long?

See - "Will this name be permanent?"
Why did you choose Firebird in the first place?

With the assistance of attorneys we assessed other uses before selecting Firebird and did not consider these uses to be in the same domain as our web browser. It is very difficult to come up with a good name that is not also used by some other company or project, so choosing and verifying the availability of a name is a complicated process that involves many difficult judgment calls.

Why Firefox?

It's similar to Firebird. It's easy to remember. It sounds good. It's unique. We like it. And we weren't able to find any other project or company even remotely similar to a web browser that uses the same name.

What's a Firefox?

A "Firefox" is another name for the red panda.
Will this name be permanent?

We sure hope so. We've learned a lot about choosing names in the past year (more than we would have liked to). We have been very careful in researching the name to ensure that we will not have any problems down the road. We have begun the process of registering our new trademark with the US Patent and Trademark office.
How was the community consulted?

The project leads were involved. We reviewed community suggestions made on Mozillazine. We included a group of a dozen or so project staff and other interested contributors in this discussion.

How will this affect other Mozilla projects?

Having dealt with this issue, we'll be working out a more detailed branding strategy in the coming months. The branding document will be updated accordingly.

Why not call it _____?

We've chosen a name, and, unless there's another web browser called Firefox that we somehow missed, we're sticking with it. We are not looking for other suggestions. Hundreds of options were thoroughly considered and Firefox is the new name.
Is it Firefox or Mozilla Firefox?

The official name is Mozilla Firefox. We will often shorten that to Firefox.
Won't this confuse people?

Yes, but if the WWF can pull it off, so can we. Besides, in six months you'll forget there ever was any other name.

But I hate the new name. It's stupid

Our editors are trying to figure out if this is a question. Of course not everyone will like the new name, especially at first. We're confident most people will quickly get used to it. New names have a way of sounding terrible at first. If you're unhappy with the new name, consider trying out the many improvements we've made in the latest release of our browser - we hope that'll make you feel better. After all, the most important is how the thing works, not what it's called.

Screw it. (4, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224615)

I'm just gonna call it "The Browser Formerly Known as Firebird" until they can consistently keep the same name for about two years.

Then they'll change the project name to "MozillaSoft Internet Explorer" just to confuse a few chaps.

Re:Screw it. (1)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224723)

I'm just gonna call it "The Browser Formerly Known as Firebird"

But I remember it as Phoenix.

Re:Screw it. (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224728)

You mean, "The Browser Formerly Known as Firebird previously known as Phoenix".

I now have to explain a second name change to all those people asking "so what's that browser you use called?"

How about Einei.. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224618)

...for EI is Not IE of course

Re:How about Einei.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224692)

Get a a haircut and a job you dirty GNU/hippie.

And move out of your parents' basement.

missed the Bird (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224623)

I am still using Phoenix 0.5 from which I am currently typing this reply.
I almost switched to Firebird 0.6 but proxy incompatibilities just made me revert to Phoenix.

It is actually damn fast and compatible with 100% of the sites I visit, hence my question :
What do I miss ?

Re:missed the Bird (4, Informative)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224655)

A new download manager.
Bugfixes.
Improvements in tabbed browsing.
Bugfixes.
A new Help dialog.
More bugfixes.
Changes in the Gecko rendering engine.
Even more bugfixes.

Seriously, I'd upgrade.

I saw, I downloaded, I'm using it now (5, Interesting)

Schwartzboy (653985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224624)

Though I have to admit, for my typical browsing experience I don't see a whole lot of difference between Firebird's latest 0.7 release and Firefox. I'll explore the new tweaks and nifties sooner or later, I suppose.

Now, somebody tell me at what point the name's going to change again and I can run Firefly 0.9 as my browser of choice? That would be sweet, the icon could be a tiny image of the Serenity...for the current icon, has anyone else wondered if that fox is having a little too much fun with the globe?

But I digress. I'm looking forward to the 1.0 release, whatever the name ends up being. I'd be interested in knowing what the official marketshare (as far as these things can be determined) is for Fire-[$animal_name]/Mozilla browsers. I know that I've had more stability/popup-blocking goodness out of Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox than I usually get out of IE, and far fewer crashes (Firebird crashed on me once on my XP Pro box. Once in how many months? Let's not even think about IE's crash frequency...)

Stupid quote of the day: "That browser sucks...it doesn't even support VBScript!"

slashdotted (5, Funny)

Lost Dragon (632401) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224626)

Firefox 0.8 Our next generation browser is lightning fast in every way. Unless you're trying to download it right now.

needs to integrate better (5, Interesting)

crayz (1056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224629)

(this is on XP): I open up FireFox and have no bookmarks, even though I have hundreds in Mozilla. Oh, I mean I don't have none. I have some basic ones they give you to start with. And my imported IE bookmarks, of which there are none, because I don't use IE. But no Mozilla bookmarks.

So I close Firebird, go into my Mozilla profile, copy the "bookmarks.html" file from it to the FireFox profile(still in a folder called "Phoenix"), and bam, there's all my bookmarks. Why the damn browser can't do that for me is beyond comprehension.

Same with all my preferences. No option to inherit these things from Mozilla.

Overall it is quite a nice browser, and I'd recommend it to people whose computers are too slow/low on memory for the real thing. I still prefer Mozilla, mainly because I think the Modern theme looks better than FireFox's default, because I can't see an easy way to keep FireFox in memory like I do with Mozilla, and because FireFox lacks the wonderful Mozilla ability to simply type text into the URL bar, hit the up key and then enter, and run a Google search. I find the separate Google search field an annoying complication of Mozilla's search ability.

Re:needs to integrate better (2)

Seahawk (70898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224705)

Because its a beta product?

Lets first iron out the bugs and establish features, and then lets worry about integration! :)

-1 Idiot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224715)

NT

Next Name... (0, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224633)

Maybe for the next name they could go with FireShits. Cause eash new name hurts a little more and just burns.

Good. (0, Insightful)

MooKore 2004 (737557) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224640)

I just downloaded the Liniux version, and I am typing from it now. It now is quite fast, and unlike epiphany (the Gnome web browser) it supports Bookmark folders, and the really useful feature called "open as tabs". That is open a folder of bookmarks and they all appear as tabs.

Another Good browser that was recently released is Konqueror 3.2, included with KDE 3.2 of course. The Apple patches really make it fast. Grab that if your a KDE user. But Firefox is definatley the best non kde browser, and the best if you are in stuck in Windows jail.

A question (0, Troll)

GonzoDave (743486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224641)

I use Mozilla, but there's 2 areas where IE seems to have the edge-it takes less system resources, and it has a history you can actually use. Does Firebird/fox/thingy fix these problems?

Another way IE is a little better (2, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224682)

Is with Java applications. The sun java setup uses more resources than the one integrated into IE. If you are on a slightly older setup (like my mom) and you want to play yahoo games (as so many do) then it's faster in IE. Hate to say it but that is one place IE has a one up on the others.

Slightly confused (1)

Phekko (619272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224642)

Great browser but the name change makes me wanna show them the fox...

Future name changes we can look forward to.. (4, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224645)

.. on the project are..

'Kung-Browser'
'Browse-Me-Do'
'Sparrow'
'Mech a-Mozilla'

And in other news, Konami today announced the release of the cut down version of Metal Gear Solid 2 to feature Solid Snake's cousin, Trouser.

*sign* I mean, whatever name you pick, there's going to be some product already out there with a similar name. It's like that Dilbert strip where the only remaining product names were diseases.

Names (5, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224646)

Worth noting that ThunderBird .5 has been released as well.

Don't you mean ThunderFox?

-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]

Domain names... (1)

photonic (584757) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224647)

Bummer that firefox.com [firefox.com] , firefox.org [firefox.org] and firefox.net [firefox.net] are already taken! Furthermore, Google [google.com] already knows 76700 instances of firefox. Should we expect yet another name by version .9??

The logo [mozilla.org] is nice though. Can't wait to give it a try.

FAQ on the naming available... (2, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224651)

...here [mozilla.org] . The other open source project in question is a database (obviously) called Firebird [sourceforge.net] .

The mail client is still called "Thunderbird", which IMHO introduces and incongruity in the naming schemes. But then again, what's in a name, eh? Besides, "Thunderfox" would sound dumb.

luckyl me! (1)

IceFox (18179) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224656)

Guess that was a close one!

-Icefox

Zips (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224657)

Why not just call it "the browser with no name"? Even my PHB made a comment about communist fighter planes this morning (he left his homepage set to mozilla.org/projects/firbird/). He'll be able to comment on 0.8 a little when Ben gets round to making a zip build availiable, how much testing does this installer need anyway, it's hardly like it's going to delete your entire drive is it... oh wait!

What a shame (1, Interesting)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224659)

I can't believe the Mozilla Group would go belly up for these people that just want to bitch and moan about a word. A stupid freaking word. Grow a backbone people.

Next names... (1)

yanestra (526590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224660)

Firefox has already been used by some (Novell?) networking software.
The next scheduled name is probably: Firefly (already in use by a FreeBSD derived project).
Obviously, it's too much work for those "fire"men to type in a name at Google before using it.

Name Change (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8224667)

I prefer BurnZilla. It matches the stupidity of the Internet

Asking for trouble (1)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224668)

"Get FIREFOX - The Browser, Reloaded"

These guys are practically begging to have the MPAA swoop down on them. I know they really wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but jeez. They should stick with their "take back the web" slogan.

Explaining it to the parents... (2, Funny)

no longer myself (741142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224669)

Mother already has enough trouble with the computer I set up for her, now I have to go through another round of "Will I still be able to get Yahoo with Mozoolah foxfur?"

Sometimes (every waking moment of my day) I regret every trying to get them interested in computers... But I was young and excited back then... Now I cringe when they try to pronounce computer related terms.

The best of Open Source.... (3, Insightful)

SenorCitizen (750632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224673)

....it really is. If every OSS would work as well, be as easy to use and look as good we wouldn't have a single Windows installation in the World.

That said, I hope they *finally* fixed the bug with going back a page and finding yourself at the top of the page. That one hasn't been around in Mozilla for a while.

And, they should f'n register a trademark...

Lightweight? (2, Interesting)

Bazman (4849) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224678)

Not light enough for our admins to be happy about me sticking it on the Sun E450 that we use for undergraduate teaching. Stuck in an X-terminal lab with only login access to the E450? You're stuck with Netscape 4. They fear 25 firebirds will bring the system to a crawl.

Anybody know of an even _lighter_ browser, preferably gecko-based, that will work on Solaris? Binaries would be nice :)

Baz

is it thought-controlled, like the plane? (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224691)

that'd rule. although i'd imagine i'd end up browsing sites that weren't quite office-friendly.

Mozilla is good enough, why Firefox? (1)

zxm (669276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224694)

I think Mozilla is very good and use it always, why should I change to Firefox?

I tried Firebird 1.5 on slack... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224698)

It looked cool, but I couldn't get over the constant stream of terminal output, even when I didn't launch it from a terminal. I'd get a stream of 5-25 PC speaker beeps every time I click a link. Checked configure but it didn't appear to be a debug setting. I figure I'll stick with the SlackPack for now, though I may give FireFox a shot.

Problem Already? (1)

CompWerks (684874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224699)

After installing firefox I'm unable to run mozilla at the same time. What gives?

FireFox? (4, Insightful)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224703)


Finally a name no one else is using! Wait, Firefox [google.com] .

Picking a name for a product, especially an extremely valuable internationally famous product such as this one, is far more difficult than it appears. Those who have never had any experience writing advertising often don't realize how difficult.

Also, consider the connotations of the name. Where is the burning that would cause the product to be named "fire"? Where is the cleverness that would cause the product to be called "fox"? Maybe the name FireFox is not right for a standard household product meant to be used by the entire family as a way to communicate with the world. Yes, writing the product required an enormous amount of cleverness, but using it doesn't. Also, the name FireFox is made of English words, and most of the world does not speak English.

The name is IMPORTANT. A good name will ease acceptance. A name that people find difficult can kill acceptance. There is a huge amount of importance in this one word.

Maybe a made-up word is better. Drug companies use made-up words like Claritin or Cialis to name just two. That has the benefit that the domain name is not taken.

Just stop (2, Informative)

SushiFugu (593444) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224712)

I can see the trend already today with people posting all the different things that the new name conflicts with. The whole point is that the new name (atleast as far as I know/have heard) doesn't conflict in any way with other software products/open source projects, whereas Firebird did.

Great (1)

z0ink (572154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224719)

Now all the people i've told to go download firebid and delete IE are gunna be lost.

FireChick (5, Funny)

Phoinix (666047) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224722)

I do not like the new name. May I suggest the name "FireChick" in reference to a "smaller" bird?

Would make a good movie (5, Funny)

RDW (41497) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224727)

I can see it now - Mitchell Gates (Clint Eastwood), elite Microsoft coder and flashback-impaired veteran of the Browser Wars, is sent behind enemy lines to steal the only production prototype of the Firefox, with its revolutionary thought-controlled toolbar technology ("but remember, Mr Gates, you have to _think in XML_!"). The film ends rather abruptly when someone tells him he can download it for free.

Help with name change (1, Funny)

Seahawk (70898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8224730)

Just read this fast... ;)

Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Firebird Fireford Fireforx Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
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