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Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the seed-the-torrent dept.

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hkfczrqj writes "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't edition is out (torrent here). It is supposed to have kernel 2.6!" And it does. If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way -- but note that the ct edition Knoppix boots into German (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us") and kernel 2.4; you'll need to type "knoppix26" at startup to boot the new kernel. (You may find the excellent forums at knoppix.net helpful, too.) Update: 02/10 01:03 GMT by T : Note that the XFree version is really 4.3, not 3.4.

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Knoppix 3.14 (-1)

users.pl (689022) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232413)

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Re:Knoppix 3.14 (-1, Troll)

w00t_sargasso (744186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232532)

You are the first person from the /. community I have ever wanted to thwack (apart from whoever gave me bad karma...) This was childish, irritating, offtopic and irrational (no pun intended).

If the best you can do is troll, at least make it a decent one.

I declare the society for decent trolling now open! Chairman (me) now presiding

Re:Knoppix 3.14 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232606)

You are the first person from the /. community I have ever wanted to thwack

You must be new around here.
ID #744186? yes that figures ...

Shhhhh. (-1, Offtopic)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232655)

Shhhh. I'm trying to concentrate. I know there is a message from either the Council on Foreign Relations, or MLB hidden somewhere in there. Not sure yet. Trying to figure it out....

Where is the rest of it? (1, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232669)

I don't thing that is all there is.

Just put the rest on your own web site, and post a link to Slashdot...

Erste poste! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232421)

This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?

Re:Erste poste! (4, Informative)

Phillup (317168) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232506)

Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?

Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:

Dual Xeon
Intel IHC5R w/ 875P chipset (ASUS PC-DL Deluxe)
NVidia FX5900
SATA RAID
1G RAM

Re:Erste poste! (2, Funny)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232600)

There's a conflict between your RAM blocks and your chipset.

You should either remove your chipset or all of your RAM. ;-)

Re:Erste poste! (parent paraphrased) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232629)

Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?

Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:

MY E-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS AND I HAVE MORE MONEY

OOOOOOHHH ALL RAM (1)

GamerGeek (179002) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232683)

Have you tried the "toram" cheat code on that thing? It must be amazing. For any of you who don't know the "toram" cheatcode copies the compressed file system to ram and runs from there.

Re:Erste poste! (3, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232963)

SATA RAID

Probably the Serial ATA isn't supported. You'll need to downgrade to MFM drives for 100% Linux compatibility.

Re:Erste poste! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232522)

If it wasn't for Knoppix, MandrakeMove wouldn't have existed. Enjoy MandrakeKnoppix

Re:Erste poste! (4, Informative)

mosschops (413617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232545)

This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?

I found MandrakeMove to be too dumbed down - menu items like "browse the web" for a web browser seemed to be aimed at complete newbies. It also required more input during the boot process, tho maybe that can be skipped if you save configuration.

Knoppix is definitely a better tool for power users, and still does a great job for new users (it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).

Re:Erste poste! (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232657)

(it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).

That may or may not be impressive depending on what your parents do. My experience with Knoppix is that you parents have better be computer engineers ...

Knoppix!! (-1, Flamebait)

w00t_sargasso (744186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232426)

Knoppix is a good concept, but not executed all that well. I have tried it on around 20 pcs and it only worked on one. The others froze until reboot. And they werent all that old......

Personally, I LOVE SLACKWARE!!! YAY!!!

Re:Knoppix!! (5, Informative)

beh (4759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232485)

I don't know what kind of problems you've had...

The only "problem" I've had with Knoppix was, that it didn't figure out, what kind of display resolution my Thinkpad A30P could do (1600x1200)... BUT - just the fact, that Knoppix 3.0 was able to boot off a notebook and recognize most of the hardware - that was something I found pretty impressive. Especially bearing in mind the kind of setup problems a lot of people HAVE with notebooks and their special hardware.

Also, I recently showed some people at my last job Knoppix 3.2 - and even there it booted off without a hitch on the Dell Latitude notebooks they've had in their offices...

Boot from CD (1)

shubert1966 (739403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232710)

I took my first venture into Linux with the boot from CD Knoppix. I've been comfortable on every platform since Apple][ and I've worked with UNIX, but I couldn't get the Mo'fo to boot on my 1998 ThinkPad. Anyone want to save me some time and tell me if there is a known problem with IBM, or ThinkPads in specific? I know it sounds stupid, but that stuff happens from time to time on proprietary systems - so I'm asking. Any history at all w/ IBM BIOS on ThinkPad.

RTFM me all you want, just spare the cat. And Thanks in Advance.

Re:Knoppix!! (4, Informative)

zulux (112259) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232729)

You can get Knoppix to work just fine with your A30p:

knoppix screen=1600x1200 xvrefresh=60

'nunthin like Celestia on a 1600x1200 screen that 15" large - the perceived resolution is awsome.

Re:Knoppix!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232895)

Problems I've had with Knoppix 3.2 include crashes, reproducible especially with USB devices. Plugging in any wireless card will cause a kernel freeze, be it on my trusty PII BX440 system, to the flash-bang state of the art one.. still a way to go it seems.

Re:Knoppix!! (2, Informative)

vik (17857) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232524)

Well, I've had a much better hit rate. Usually it is laptops with weird video cips that don;t go, and that can be cured by turning off APM and exotic video as per the Knoppix boot help menu.

Vik :v)

Re:Knoppix!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232547)

Then stop building your own PCs because they are not worth a shit. Ha ha ha ha...

Re:Knoppix!! (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232788)

And the magic words are: "not that old". Try again on 20 PCs a little older.

Re:Knoppix!! (1)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232866)

I've run Knoppix with no problem on several brandnew Poweredge servers from Dell and several brandnew desktop machines. I think your feeding the troll.

Re:Knoppix!! (1)

child_of_mercy (168861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232896)

servers tend not to do as many weird things.

standard scsi, standard ethernet, video.

you can normally run a stock debian on em without compiling strange modules..

laptops on the other hand...

Re:Knoppix!! (2, Informative)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232803)

It might be helpful to the Knoppix (and Kudzu) developers if you could send them the specifications of these machines that "don't work".

Re:Knoppix!! (4, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232815)

Are you sure that you are using a good CD? I have used Knoppix on at least 50 completely different systems, different brands, ages, hardware, peripherals, etc, and have had almost no issues at all. In fact I frequently have to rely on Knoppix to figure out what drivers and settings I need when I am trying to install other distributions.

Frequently, some distribution or another won't detect a piece of hardware. I simply boot Knoppix, make a note of the drivers and their parameters and then specify them manually when installing the other distribution. Most recently I tried installing SuSE on a Compaq Proliant 3000. SuSE loaded a Compaq NIC driver but it would not activate the card. Knoppix had no problem with the card, or the Compaq Array controller, DLT tape library, or anything else. But, in the case of the NIC card, Knoppix chose an Intel driver instead of the Compaq driver that SuSE had chosen. I configured SuSE to use the same Intel driver and it worked fine from there on.

Frankly I am most annoyed by the various popular distributions because they each seem to have their own problems detecting hardware yet, Knoppix repeatedly has no such problem. I am constantly asking why the various distributions don't use Knoppix' hardware detection instead. And yes, I've had issues with Slack as well.

Bad CD (1)

Julian Morrison (5575) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232843)

You probably screwed up the CD burn, or bought a dud disk.

Try burning a new disk on a machine with a known good CD burner. And check the MD5 on the ISO image you downloaded.

No NTFS Write Support.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232911)

Too bad that Knoppix does not support NTFS write. I want it to boot up my laptop and use openoffice and other tools and be able to write files to my NTFS partition... Any ideas?

Re:No NTFS Write Support.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232940)

Install Open Office on yer winders box.

Duh.

DVD edition download? (more current DVD edition? (4, Informative)

beh (4759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232439)


The download mirrors still have a packages-dvd.txt file listing all the packages of the DVD version. But is this version available for download somewhere (with DVD burners becoming more and more common, I would assume, that this image should appear somewhere as well... ;-)

Alas - the packages-dvd.txt is pretty old - does that mean, the DVD doesn't get updated any more? (Again - I think it would be a shame - it would be really great to have a really filled up live system that could be used to REALLY show off linux some more... ;-)

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232529)

Simple question to the current people moderating this article - how can a QUESTION article be rated 'informative'? Aren't questions more about GETTING information rather than GIVING information? *g*

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232947)

Somebody rate the parent "Informative". You know you want to...

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio (5, Informative)

bfree (113420) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232577)

The DVD was never really publically distributed. It was created for a german conference last year sometime where it was distributed to attendees. Nobody ever seemed to have the desire and the bandwidth to put it online.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232897)

interesting, that would be a lot of bandwidth. perhaps they could just _sell_ the dvd's. they don't have to offer free downloads. let other people host the torrent or what ever after a few people buy it. heck it's probably easier to pay 5$ than to download 4gb software.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio (4, Informative)

calc (1463) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232596)

It would probably run faster as well since DVD's go up to 16x which is ~ 20MB/s vs CD's 52x at 7.6MB/s.

But (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232453)

Does it run linux?

HEY (-1)

Can it run Linux (664464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232641)

Quit wheezin' on my nug, bitch.

Re:HEY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232789)

I used the cheap Indian knock-off "Does it run linux?" instead of the far superior American original "Can it run Linux?".

Great tool (3, Interesting)

drcagn (715012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232458)

It seems like other distributions have been following in the way of Knoppix... I tried MandrakeMove but Knoppix really blows it away. Can't wait to see what Gentoo's catalyst bootCD maker turns out like... :)

Re:Great tool (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232765)

Gentoo could be interesting. The main thing keeping me back from Knoppix on my laptop is that it doesn't (or didn't before, I haven't checked these two new releases) include the prism54 driver, so I'd be networkless, and it looks like its moderately painful to customize.

Re:Great tool (4, Informative)

MRoharr (243317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232814)

from the changelog, take a look at the second to last option

* V3.3-2004-02-09 (Updates)
- Kernel 2.4.24-xfs
- KDE 3.1.5 from Debian/unstable
- mozilla 1.6 from Debian/unstable
- fixed Knoppix-Terminalserver problem with new libacl
- XFree 3.4 from Debian/experimental
- removed prelink (caused memory leaks under certain conditions)
- removed for space reasons: kjots, kcoloredit
- added prism54.org drivers for wireless cards
- the usual apt-get upgrade

other 2.6 distros (5, Informative)

another misanthrope (688068) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232464)

Distrowatch weekly [distrowatch.com] has a list of distros that contain the 2.6 kernel:

# Fedora Core, development branch (2.6.1)
# Mandrake Linux 10.0-beta2 (2.6.2rc3)
# Debian unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.0)
# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Arch Linux 0.6 (development), not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Sorcerer, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Conectiva Linux 10-TP2 (2.6.1)
# Magic Linux 1.2pre5, a Chinese desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# Berry Linux 0.36, a Japanese live CD (2.6.2rc3)
# Bluewall Linux 1.0, a minimalist distribution (2.6.0)
# JoLinux 1.0, a Slackware-based Brazilian desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# knoppiXMAME 1.2, a bootable arcade machine emulator (2.6.1)
# LinuxNetwosix 1.0, a specialist live CD for security operations (2.6.1)
# Shark Linux 1.06-beta2, a minimalist distribution for AMD-64, in early development (2.6.1)

Re:other 2.6 distros (2, Informative)

Al Al Cool J (234559) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232960)

# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
This is true for gentoo-sources or vanilla-sources, but mm-sources, which is 2.6 kernel maintainer Andrew Morton's patch, is marked as stable in Gentoo on x86 for 2.6.2-rc1.

gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232487)

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232576)

the complete info about the 3.4 c't heise edition can be found here

<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/">http://ww w.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/</A>

comes with 2.6.1 AND 2.4.x kernel, be sure to check c't website for extended bootcodes

Bootoptionen und -parameter
Bootoptionen
knoppix Standard-Image, startet den Kernel 2.4
knoppix26 startet den Kernel 2.6
fb800x600
fb1024x768
fb1280x1024 Framebuffer-Modus fur Notebooks mit einer Auflosung von 800 x 600, 1024 x 768 oder 1280 x 1024 Pixeln
Parameter zur Hardwareerkennung
testcd CD auf Fehler uberprufen
noscsi
nopcmcia
nousb
noagp
noddc Hardwareerkennung fur SCSI-, PCMCIA-, USB-, AGP-Gerate, Monitor abschalten
noapic
noapm
nopnpbios APIC-Controller, Powermanagement, PnPBIOS nicht benutzen
nodma DMA-Beschleunigung fur Massenspeicher deaktivieren
screen=XxY Bildschirmauflosung des Desktop XxY Pixel ...
depth=N ... mit N Bit Farbtiefe
vsync=N Bildwiederholfrequenz N Hz
hsync=N horizontale Bildschirmfrequenz N kHz
vga=normal Standard-VGA-Auflosung beim Booten
alsa ALSA- statt OSS-Audio-Treiber
blind brltty=Treiber,Device,Table Betrieb mit Braille-Terminal (nahere Informationen unter [2])
Sonstige Parameter
noswap keine Swap-Dateien/-Partitionen auf der Platte verwenden
desktop=X Desktop X verwenden (kde, gnome, icewm, wmaker, twm)
2 keine grafische Oberflache starten (Runlevel 2)
home=/dev/X permanentes Homeverzeichnis von Gerat X lesen (etwa hda1 fur erste Partition der ersten IDE-Festplatte)
home=scan alle Datentrager nach permanentem Homeverzeichnis absuchen
myconfig=/dev/X gespeicherte Knoppix-Konfiguration von Gerat X lesen (beispielsweise sda1 fur USB-Stick)
myconfig=scan alle Datentrager nach Knoppix-Konfiguration absuchen
lang=X Systemsprache setzen (us fur amerikanisch, nl fur hollandisch und so weiter)
Spezielle Bootoptionen ohne weitere Parameter
memtest Speichertestprogramm
expert interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.4
expert26 interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.6
failsafe keine Hardwareerkennung, Kernel 2.4

even more pages at c't/heise for their special knoppix 3.4 edition

<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix/ ">http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix/</a>

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232910)

download 3.4 c't heise edition from here:

And a Heil Hitler to you too my good man.

Once yuo pop... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232497)

teh fun never stops!!!1///

Re:Once yuo pop... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232611)

popping...what's all about? Is cool, or is whack?

lang=not_us (3, Funny)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232503)

Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us"

Shouldn't shift and 0 yield a right parenthesis with lang=us? Because of this, I'm guessing that Knoppix actually boots into lang=not_us.

Re:lang=not_us (4, Informative)

glassesmonkey (684291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232578)

If you've ever used the Knoppix ISO then you'd know the en ISO has correct US keyboard and the de ISO has the german keyboard.

So when you boot this c't version up, you'll see a prompt and when you try and type "knoppix lang=us" you'll need to used the Shift-0

Re:lang=not_us (3, Informative)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232590)

'lang=us' is what you type at the boot prompt to get US keyboard support in the OS. On the English versions of Knoppix, typing this at the boot prompt isn't a problem. On a German-booting version, typing 'lang=us' could present problems unless you know how to get the = sign.

Makes no sense to me. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232504)

I thought I knew geek speek, but the line "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't",

with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!

Re:Makes no sense to me. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232583)

with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!


So stop using ME... :)

Upgrade HD-Install? (2, Interesting)

saberworks (267163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232539)

Anyone know how to upgrade a hard drive install to the latest kernel/features? I'm most concerned about the kernel.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install? (0)

w00t_sargasso (744186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232564)

Download the sources, compile, etc... Try checking out [kernel.org] [kernel.org] There _may_ be something on there, cant remember.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install? (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232929)

Download the sources, compile, etc... Try checking out [kernel.org] There _may_ be something on there, cant remember.

NEIN! Ist not how *cough**cough*. Sorry, That's not how Knoppix works. You use apt-get.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install? (3, Informative)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232716)

For everything except the kernel apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade should work fine. For the kernel you can use pre-built packages but you'll be better off to get the source for the version you want, untar it and cd into the source directory, optionally do a make menuconfig to set up all your options, then do make-kpkg binary. Then cd out of the source directory and dpkg -i the kernel-image and kernel-headers packages.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232850)

Do you happen to have a sources.list that has closer mirrors than the ones that come with the 3.3? All those are in Germany, which is fine, except I am in California and I'd like a few sources closer.

knoppix.net forums were not very helpful WRT this.

Apt-get (4, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232917)

It's Debian. Use Apt-get. You can find sources here:

# Kernel 2.6.0
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ker nel-ima ge-2.6-686

deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0

To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.

English Torrent? (-1, Offtopic)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232542)

Anybody? Bueler?

Re:English Torrent? [Will take remastering :)] (3, Informative)

timothy (36799) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232780)

The c't version is German centric, of course, because it's a German-language magazine ...

Some people on the forums at knoppix.net have said they're working on (or at least thinking about) remastering this version, and I bet an English-default version will likely come out of that. So scan those forums, and an English torrent will probably appear in the coming weeks ...

According to predictions there, based on previous knoppix release cycles, probably a 2.6-based official Knoppix version will come out in March or early April ...

timothy

Re:English Torrent? [Will take remastering :)] (1)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232831)

Ah, thank you much for the reply...I was thinking it had only german on the cd...I get it now, and so I'm downloading it. :)

Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC? (4, Interesting)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232587)

I'm interested to try 2.6 out on my PowerPC Macintosh, which I presently run Debian testing on.

But the Mac is a production machine for me, it would be bad to have something like filesystem corruption happen. It would be great if I could test it with a distro like Knoppix, but I would need it to have all powerpc binaries.

Is there such a beast?

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232652)

Gentoo has a Linux live-cd for PPC. As far as I know it's the only one.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC? (4, Informative)

bfree (113420) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232703)

Yep, the knoppix men in black privacy edition is a ppc knoppix derivative! You can find a list of mirrors for it here [bouissou.net] .

Thats odd... (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232730)

My comp sci teacher today was asking em some questions about linux, he just got a hand me down g3 iMac and was inquiring about linux on it, i told him about yellow dog, but i wasn't sure if there was a live distro for ppc. Could anyone point me to a PPC version of knoppix or something?

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC? (5, Informative)

Tyrdium (670229) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232734)

Try the Gentoo PPC LiveCD. It requires a bit of configuration (e.g. picking what WM you want), but it's not that hard. Grab it from the Gentoo site [gentoo.org] .

Gnome? (0, Offtopic)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232607)

Is Gnome included? What version?

Re:Gnome? [A: yup.] (2, Informative)

timothy (36799) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232676)

Gnome is included, 2.4 I believe.

However, on my own system (not the one I'm typing from :), I run into problems when I try to run Gnome and specify lang=us -- I just get a blank screen. My German should be enough to let me muddle through, though, soon I will see what happens when I specify desktop=gnome without trying to do it in English ...

timothy

Re:Gnome? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232684)

No, Knoppix does not include Gnome.

There are live-cds with Gnome (GNOPPIX, Morphix Heavy-Gui) but Knoppix doesn't have room for Gnome itself, just certain Gnome libraries and apps.

Re:Gnome? (4, Informative)

bfree (113420) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232718)

The c't edition (the 3.4 version) has apparently removed a lot of software (like Lyx/Latex) so that Gnome (2.4) has returned!

Re:Gnome? (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232809)

Oh great - add my desktop environment, but remove my ability to write anything :)

Hope Gnoppix will mature soon. Has anybody good experiences with Morphix? Not sure I want to go to all that hassle without knowing if/how well it will work.

knoppix conviced this windows guy to cross over (2, Interesting)

cyrax777 (633996) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232639)

Used to think linux would be a pain in the ass to use then I tried knoppix. I like it alot. realy simple to use. I still need to finish building my linux box thu.

KDE 3.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232640)

Would have been nice if they added KDE 3.2 to the mix. Til then, I'll keep watching and waiting.

Also (not so new) ... The Knoppix New York Edition (4, Interesting)

phoxix (161744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232660)

Yep

On Klaus Knopper's visit to New York City. He made a special edition of the distro just for New York's LUG [nylug.org] . You will have to find a link of it on your own (being that it will cost some poor LUGer money for the bandwidth, heh)

What a man! He really is a nice guy! We sure were thrilled and happy

Sunny Dubey

Re:Also (not so new) ... The Knoppix New York Edit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232826)

Any chance you have a sources.list that works for a hdinstall? I managed to munge mine up pretty good trying to get sources that weren't www.blahblah.de

Bahh... (5, Funny)

0x12d3 (623370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232682)

(Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us")


In my day, we had to write our bootable Linux cd's by hand... with only a hex editor --in German.

it comes with the ct magazine (1)

Maegashira (738950) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232692)

yeah, i bought it with the ct magazine. theres a big story about the usability of linux and that its ready for the desktop and such stuff we already know. there are also some tips how to take every advantage of this distribution. they really support the idea behind knoppix: to give everyone a linux who just wants to try it out. but i still would get mad if i had to work with it, because it starts from cd. so i'm using some easy to install linux -- mandrake (of course there are other easy-to-install destributions). i think there should be more efforts for the harddisk installation of knoppix and the over-all system configuration. what everyone needs is an easy-to-install, easy-to-update, and easy-to-configure linux. an easy-to-try linux makes big promotion but it isn't something to do your work with.

Argh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232699)

2 days late.
I started installing Gentoo then. And it compiles, and compiles....
emerge system: 19 of 54. AAARGH! Compiling the kernel, the X, Mozilla, and lots of lots other stuff still left.

Kernel 2.6 (3, Insightful)

Jondo (693238) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232751)

If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way..

I don't understand how afraid people can be to try out new kernels..

  1. Download the source from kernel.org 2. make menuconfig and set up your kernel (It only takes about 2 minutes if you are on friendly terms with lspci)
  2. make (yes, this is all you need to do for 2.6 kernels)
  3. copy bzImage into /boot, and make install_modules
  4. update-grub

Reboot, boot your new kernel, and you're done!

If it doesnt work, its not the end of the world. Look at the output, see where it's failing, and go back and change your config.

Re:Kernel 2.6 (5, Informative)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232858)

Well...

1.2 Install updated modutils, binutils etc, which are incompatibile with old ones, so there's no easy way of return.
2.2 Go back to config and remove any modules that cause compile errors (I don't know about 2.6 but in 2.3 it was a real bane, every second kernel I tried was broken in this or that way. It took YEARS to get Amiga Fast File System fixed.)

If it doesn't work and i.e. panics on boot-up, go, get some liveCD to boot the system, because you're screwed (No old kernel - new binutils, remember?) and work out slowly what causes the error. May take several hours, sometimes including messing in the sources. Compile, install, reboot, liveCD, repair, compile, reboot... And finally start looking for old binutils to get your old kernel back to work.

Yeah, installing new kernel is an interesting and often pleasant experience. But that's not a morning coffee type task. It CAN go SERIOUSLY wrong.

Re:Kernel 2.6 (3, Informative)

pytheron (443963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232938)

1.2 Install updated modutils, binutils etc, which are incompatibile with old ones, so there's no easy way of return

Building source is your friend here :-

tar xvf modutils.tar.bz
cd modutils ./configure --prefix=/opt/modutils-2.6
make
make install

Pretty simple.

Re:Kernel 2.6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232901)

And update a bundle of user space apps that the kernel needs to boot.

Re:Kernel 2.6 (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232944)

Or, right after step 5 (the reboot) a deep-rooted bug in your hardware or the kernel completely blows up the filesystem. Oops.

It's rare, sure, and unlikely. But it's a real risk.

Be nice to use Knoppix first, since it doesn't touch your native filesystem if you don't want it to.

Here's your answer: corrupt filesystems (4, Interesting)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232946)

One reason to be afraid to try out a new kernel is that a bug in any of the kernel code can result in a corrupt filesystem.

While I'm sure you can see how buggy filesystem code might cause this, perhaps you don't see how this could happen from any code in the kernel at all.

Well, one way is for a pointer error in, say, a network driver to overwrite some disk data buffers with random garbage. Then the data gets saved to disk.

I've read of this happening on the linux-kernel list.

Even journaling filesystems won't help for this. While journals can protect against power loss or crashes, the filesystems do make the assumption that any metadata committed to disk is correct.

Knoppix and slow CD drives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232755)

I have an old slow cd drive installed on my computer, a Memorex CRW-1622. A problem I've had with Knoppix is that it won't boot up on this machine because apparently the packing/compression method it uses to put all that software on one CD is too slow for the OS to unpack when it is booting up on a slow CD drive, causing all types of errors.

I've enjoyed it on other machines though. If anyone has any suggestions for a workawhile, I'd be able to download the new version.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives (1)

jefe7777 (411081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232857)

on a similar topic, does anyone know how to make knoppix load completely to ram?

i imagine this would be faster then my normal harddrive based install.

for systems with a gig or more of ram.

thanks.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives (2, Informative)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232888)

Have you ran the CD test on that drive?
I doubt it's matter of speed. More likely newer drives have better error recovery algorithms and can read the CD properly using data redundancy. Your old drive may be less forgiving on tiny scratches, fingerprints etc.

Still can't install (2, Funny)

aanand (705284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232828)

For Christ's sake. It's version 3.3 and I still can't figure out how to install this thing on my computer.

Re:Still can't install (1)

itoledo (210137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232969)

you don't, just reboot with the disc in the CD drive. your bios should be configured to boot from the CD first, then the hard disk. if it isn't, with newer bios you can push a key to select the boot method (cd, floppy, hd), typically F10 or F12, check your motherboard's manual and your BIOS boot messages ('Press F10 for boot options' or stuff like that).

iswraid (3, Interesting)

lwells-au (548448) | more than 10 years ago | (#8232862)

Does anyone know if either 3.3 or 3.4 c/t have had the iswraid [iu.edu] patched against their kernel so one can access raid arrays created by the Intel ICH5-R?

I would check but their forums are kind of slow right now for some reason ;-)

LW.

Notice That This Isn't Knoppix Secure *BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8232916)


Knoppix doesn't do *BSD, because *BSD is insecure -- and it's dying.

Read on for more.

Yet another awful blow has struck what's left of the *BSD community, as a soon-to-be-released report by an independent commission doing a year-long study concludes: *BSD is dead and mummified. Here are some of the commission's findings:

Fact: the *BSDs have balkanized yet again. There are now no less than twelve separate, competing *BSD projects, each of which has introduced fundamental incompatibilities with the other *BSDs, and frequently with Unix standards. Average number of developers in each project: fewer than five. Average number of users per project: there are no definitive numbers, but reports show that all projects are on the decline.

Fact: Apple is quietly changing the base kernel for OS X from *BSD to Linux. Insiders report that Apple's technical leadership has grown tired of the licensing battles and is seeking a more modern license; they find Linux's license more appealing. Many Apple technology experts -- from OS developers all the way up to Steve Jobs -- find Linux to be a more advanced OS, which will enable Apple to release a more mature product. The frequent hallway arguments and fistfights among the *BSD developers Apple has hired has also contributed to the decision.

Fact: XFree86 is dropping support for *BSD. The remaining core group believes that the *BSDs have strayed too far from Unix standards and have become too difficult to support along with Linux and Solaris x86. "It's too much trouble," said one anonymous developer. "If they want to make their own standards, let them doing the porting for us."

Fact: Many user-level applications will no longer work under *BSD, and no one is working to change this. The GIMP, a Photoshop-like application, has not worked at all under *BSD since version 1.1 (sorry, too much trouble for such a small base, developers have said). OpenOffice, a Microsoft Office clone, has never worked under *BSD and never will. ("Why would we bother?" said developer Steven Andrews, an OpenOffice team lead.)

Fact: servers running OpenBSD, which claims to focus on security, are frequently compromised. According to Jim Markham, editor of the online security forum SecurityWatch, the few OpenBSD servers that exist on the internet have become a joke among the hacker community. "They make a game out of it," he says. "(OpenBSD leader) Theo [de Raadt] will scramble to make a new patch to fix one problem, and they've already compromised a bunch of boxes with a different exploit."

Fact: NetBSD, which claims to focus on portability (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for BSD use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of Amazon.com. "We took our NetBSD boxes out to the backyard and shot them in the head. We're much happier running Linux."

Fact: There are almost no FreeBSD developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled .005% of internet servers. "It's just not reliable," said Christine McGee, VP of Technology for eBay, Inc. "Nor do we find it a very modern OS. I would recommend Linux to anyone contemplating a server OS, or maybe Windows, before I would recommend a BSD."

Fact: DragonflyBSD, yet another offshoot of the beleaguered FreeBSD "project", is already collapsing under the weight of internal power struggles and in-fighting. "They haven't done a single decent release," notes Mark Baron, an industry watcher and columnist. "Their mailing lists read like an online version of a Jerry Springer episode, complete with food fights, swearing, name-calling, and chair-throwing." Netcraft reports that DragonflyBSD is run on exactly 0% of internet servers.

With these incontroverible facts staring (what's left of) the *BSD community in the face, they can only draw one conclusion: *BSD is dead and mummified.
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  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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