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IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235736)

sitefinder restarts YOU!

Michael Jackson touched my penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235737)

By the way, I went to the report of the Nozomi Tsuji [desler.ddo.jp] and Ai Kago [desler.ddo.jp] . Nozomi was already ready to go, I thought she is nice as matter of fact I am a fan of her. But I didn't tell anybody that because it was the secret of my heart. Therefore, I took the picture of her with activity. While I was taking her, I thought she is coming out, gatta be major. At that time, I found she injured her leg. She said " when I went skiing I fell down".

GNAA r teh u pwnx0r$ [goatse.info]

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Re:Michael Jackson touched my penis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235935)

Wouldn't these girls look a lot more lovable without the cum in their faces?

FROST PIST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235738)

FPPPP!!!! In the name of the GNAA!!

Proof that some people never learn (4, Insightful)

Quizo69 (659678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235740)

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...

Re:Proof that some people never learn (5, Insightful)

xpurple (1227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235753)

If it is put back in place, then the backlash will no doubt force them to take it down again.

It's just the way things go.

Re:Proof that some people never learn (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235885)

Those that repeat truisms are also forced to repeat them.

Looks like like they already have (1, Funny)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235951)

Looks like they already have - www.nonexistentdomain.com [nonexistentdomain.com] ;-)

In soviet russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8236045)

...history is doomed to forget those who repeat.

heh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235741)

fp? whee

Hambone teaches E-Z-EBONICS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235742)

Yo!

Ah be gettin so damn much mail from all de boyz in de 'hood 'bout how
good ah gots mah talk togetha dat I de-sided dat it was tahm to announce
de new " Hambone teaches E-Z-EBONICS" home-boy home study course, dat
you can order today raht heah own de Web!

'Nuff of dis White debbil talkin' bullshee-it, bruthas and sistahs! Dis
be de real article, jes like de bloods talk own de streets, when deys
scorin' an 8-ball of crack, owe deys doin' a drive-by shootin', owe deys
makin' de next generation of gods illgetchitimtimate chilluns!

Lawd have mussy! Ah gots to tell y'all, dis is de genuine article, an it
come wit all de followin' stuff, right dare in de box!

1) 2 hr. video tape dat tell it lahk it is if you gonna talk lahke dey
did back in Africa befo de White Debbil come an put Addidas t-shirts own
eveabody!

Dis an't no bullseeehit, brutha! We gonna have you Oreo O.J.'s out dare
talkin' lahk you ain't been off de porch since yo' Mama stuck you out
dare when you was 3 months old!

2) A pikshur of ME! Hambone, standin' right next to two ub de great men
of black politics, Mayor Marion Barry of Washinton D.C., and Idi Amin
Da-da, former "President fo' Life" of Uganda! Dey both be takin' mah
course raht now! Idi Amin eben give up own de Tom & Jerry cartoons so he
could get down wid de bloods!

3) One can Day-Glo spray paint, ( you gets to pick de color ) fo you t
go raht out in de 'Hood and start spreadin' de word 'bout how proud you
is 'bout yo Ebonics heritage, eben if it was jes made up.

4) One box "Happy Kwanzaa" greeting cards, but if de trooth be known,
dey was printed las yeah, and dey reads like dey was written by de White
Ice Peeple, instead of ub by us Sun Peeple who be talkin in de Ebonics.

5) $100.00 worth ub coupons off own White Castle Hamburgers, Popeye
Fried Chicken, Afro-Sheen hair products, Mogen-David 20/20 pint bottles,
coupons fo money off own you favorite Pineapple or Black Cherry soda,
and a free test drive of a Cadillac in de dealership nearest to yo'
home!

( If dey won't gives you de keys, we be raht down wit a one ub dem
Cibbil Rahts lawyers and net you ( and us ) a few million in damages! )

So stop trine to be lahk de White Debbil, and git wid de program de way
it be today in yo Community, de E-Z-Ebonics way! Eva thing gonna be as
sweet as pie, in de sweet bye-de-bye!

You can oder now raht heah!
http://www.e-z-ebonics.com/funkyindex.html

An remember, no using stolen credit cards own a blood!

Hambone

Troll? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235795)

Dis ain't no troll

But ah continues to do de work ub de Lawd, no matta how hard it gits,
and how weary dese achin' breakin' bones becomes in spreadin' de
E-Z-Ebonics gospel.

Dey's NO REST FO DE WEARY, son, but de tahms dey is a-changin, an soon
we be gittin de easy tahm we deserve in de speakin' repartment 'cause ub
fo' hunnert yeahs ub Oh-pression.

Den, ifn we kin git some mo' money from de Feberal Gubunment to teach de
black chilluns in dey native tongue, we kin all go own a vacation down
to
de Bahamas fo summer break in de New Year! Dey no gubunment lahk de
Feberal gubunment fo shellin' out de greenbacks to anybody who go to dem
wid his hand out! We done voted oursefs rich!

It only raht, since de whaiteman owe us fo killin' 3 billion ub de black
man back in Africa and makin' us fogit dat we inbented de television out
of coconuts and rhino horns 2000 yeahs ago.

We don't fogit 'bout dat nose ub de Spinx neether, but dat anudder
stowry.

De Rebren Dr. Jesse Jackson now endorse de E-Z-EBONICS program!
http://www.e-z-ebonics.com/funkyindex.ht ml

Hambone

buhlshit! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235824)

troll mah ass

Dem rascist honkies also dun shut down de damn websaht!

Deez whate debbils always doin' dey best to keep de black man down!

All Ah kin say is dat we be gittin own to dat problem if whitey jammed
dat URL, and mebbe we kin git us one ub dem Harvard honky lawyers to
take up owa case and pick us up some cool cash in a quick cibbil rahts
violation case, and den we kin all head fo' de Bahamas!

Keep trine dat URL, brotha!
http://www.e-z-ebonics.com/funkyindex.htm l

If you cain't git through, it because of racism!

Hambone
( latest victim ub racist Amerika!)

darn mods (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235845)

Well, Ah's jes so tickled pink dat you thinks dis is so funny, honky.

De language ub de Sun People ain't no bizness ub de Ice People, which I
has no doubt you is.

We be gittin back to owa roots in the African nation, and de ebonics be
one ub de tickets to de Promise Land!

So jes shut yo honkey white ass, 'cause the black man stop gittin' D+ in
honkey schools whin he git de ebonics, and start gittin' A+ when dey
teaches sumthin impotent to de African sun people!

Hambone

whitey is racist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235894)

Did you know dat de black man inbented de T.V. back in Ancient Egyp, but
the White Debbil made him fo'get 'bout it fo five tousand yeahs?

An what 'bout dat 'rithmatic? Don't de whorl need to know dat it be de
African who invented counting from ONE to TEN???? We bring all dis out
in de sweet bye-de-bye in our Afrocentric Ed. program, but ah's applyin'
fo a Federal grant fo dat whole ball ub wax. We's gots to do some
research for a yeah or two down in de Bahama's an Tahiti befo dat get
done.

Shut de laht!
Hambone

Outsourcing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235744)

You think we might be able to outsource VeriSign to India?

Not far enough (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8236049)

I propose sending them to Mars on a one-way ticket.

Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (5, Interesting)

ggvaidya (747058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235751)

This is .org and .com! When does Verisign's lease expire? Can ICANN turn over the license to someone else?

Re:Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (2, Interesting)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235801)

Because people let them. If more people pointed to alternative [open-rsc.org] root servers [adns.net] , they wouldn't have as much power.

Re:Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (0, Funny)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235814)

Or even set up your own TLD [crackmonkey.org]

Re:Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (4, Insightful)

bartjan (197895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235939)

How would choosing an alternate root server fix brokenness in the .com and .net tld's?

They still point to Verisign's gTLD-server.net's nameservers for the .com and .net domains, so using these alternate roots won't solve this problem.

Of course, you could set up your own alternate .com or .net TLD. Good luck in getting the full and updated list of all registered .com and .net domains and their nameservers :)

DNS only works well with single authoritative root (4, Insightful)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235992)

Nice idea, but the domain system only really works if we all agree on a single set of authoritative root servers. Otherwise you are effectively introducing another level into the DNS - go to 'www.mydomain.com2' is not very useful if you also have to append instructions on how to change your DNS servers. I can just imagine the voiceover at the end of the radio ads - very fast, and in the style of 'terms and conditions apply'.

Re:Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (5, Insightful)

Llarian (158700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235997)

As has been pointed out time and time again on NANOG and other operational mailing lists, DNS hijacking is still DNS hijacking, regardless of how noble the intent is.

From an operations standpoint, the impacts of Sitefinder are unfortunatly minimal now. Most of the major operational issues brought up when it was first released have been solved by either Verisign or by various application developers (ISC and other DNS developers) and are no longer an issue.

While I and many other people involved in operations agree that Sitefinder is a horrible idea ethically, nobody is helping their case with histronics and ad hominem attacks on Verisign's business practices, regardless of how true they are. All that does is gives Verisign more fuel for their "technocratic elite" arguments in press releases.

If you really want to fight this, tone down some of the passion and write to ICANN with legitimate concerns about the service and its effects. Crying foul about slimy business practices with no supporting evidence and a lot of sound and fury is a good way to make people who might be swayed agree with Verisign's claims of being attacked unjustly.

Re:Why is a profit-company in such a central role? (4, Interesting)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235973)

If they go ahead with this, I suspect we will find out...

On a similar note, how about an industry wide boycott of all Verisign certificates. The next round of certificate-extortion goes through someone else, and uninstall their root certs too - I'd hardly call them "trusted" after pulling this junk again.

And microsoft does this anyway to all windows user (5, Informative)

freerecords (750663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235752)

When you type in a wrong address at the moment which doesn't exist, you are automatically taken to either a site search engine, which is pure crap.. or to the microsoft auto search.. (talking for users on School networks, with Windows terminals) which offers the option to use the great Hotmail (Spam Central), Shopping (at ridiculous prices, from the company which could afford to give us all we want free) etc.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Informative)

Tet (2721) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235775)

When you type in a wrong address at the moment which doesn't exist, you are automatically taken to either a site search engine, which is pure crap.. or to the microsoft auto search.

There's a difference. Microsoft only do it at the application layer, with a particular browser that they provide. If you don't like it (and I can't see why anyone would), you can always switch to one of the many [mozilla.org] alternatives [opera.com] . Verisign's site finder operates at the DNS level. It's not as if you can choose to not use DNS, or switch to another name service.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (2, Informative)

freerecords (750663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235789)

That is fair enough.. but what about those of us unfortunate enough to be on a school network where we can't install a single thing (not even Mozilla Firefox, bird whatever..) And where we can't access settings. The other point was that for home users, many of whom do not know how to use the configuration to turn off M$ autosearch, it is just as bad as the Verisign is.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1, Interesting)

twoshortplanks (124523) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235826)

The complete wrongness of the way Verisign are going about it aside, I don't see why getting a search engine when you enter an incorrect domain is a bad thing in your web browser. I'd argue it's a feature. Sure, it could be a bit better labeled, but it's not like you were going to see anything else of use, was it?

Fine, if it's within your control (5, Insightful)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235971)

Getting a search engine is fine, if that's within my control. That's a good *browser* feature. And with a good browser, you can configure such a feature to go where you want it to, or just to give an error message (my personal preference). The problem with Verisign's approach is that there is nothing to tell the browser that there was no DNS record, so you no longer have the choice.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Insightful)

TEB_78 (748262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236012)

And as understand it some anti-spam programs does a lookup on the senders hostname to see if it's a valid hostname. If the lookup returns an error (not found) they send the mail directly to the trash.
But with this service you will always get a hit. Which in turn renders this anti-spam program ineffective.
Of course you could use other anti-spam tool, but this stops a lot of spam with fake hostnames.

You're just dumb (-1, Flamebait)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235892)



It's not that your school network prohibits you from installing anything. It's that you're dumb. Firebird isn't even an install. Just decompress and launch. Can you not download a file and launch it?

Re:You're just dumb (1)

freerecords (750663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235899)

*sighs* .. It's that I do not enjoy getting caught by a sysadmin (who is probably reading this as I write). Firebird is not the latest release anymore.. Firefox..

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (3, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235917)

It's not as if you can choose to not use DNS

Actually, you can. But Slashdot would be awkward when called "66.35.250.150, news for nerds, stuff that matters" instead...

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235949)

Many sites cannot be reached by their IP address alone. Ever heard of shared hosting ("name based virtual hosting")?

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Insightful)

ggvaidya (747058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235777)

And firebird^H^H^H^Hfox does it for google ... it could be argued that's even worse than Microsoft, since there you get shot off on an I'm Feeling Lucky, while microsoft gives you a list of close matches and lets you choose one. I've had too many times when I mistyped a URL, got shot off to another page entirely, and then had to go back and do a "google URL" to find what I was looking for.

Also, M$'s way sends you back to a Microsoft page - which is expected, since MS has a search service (along with one copy of every single other web application). But Mozilla choose Google fairly arbitrarily - why not use Yahoo? Or Wikipedia? And anyone who argues "it's the #1 search option" gets a free copy of IE, the #1 browser, from your good friends at Monopolysoft ;)

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Informative)

infront314 (598911) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235898)

You can change the url to anything you like.

Just do a about:config and change the keyword.URL setting.

I set mine to http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+Search&q= which is a regular Google search.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (4, Informative)

alien_blueprint (681111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235908)

And firebird^H^H^H^Hfox does it for google ...

Are you sure?

I just tried a domain name that doesn't exist, and instead of being taken to Google or any other place, I saw a "www.randomdomainname.org not found" dialog box instead. It doesn't even give me an option to feed it to a search engine from there.

IIRC, IE will take you immediately to a search engine without displaying any error message. This is the annoying and broken behaviour that the OP was talking about.

Perhaps you've installed a plug-in or extension that is doing this?

Also, M$'s way sends you back to a Microsoft page - which is expected

No, it isn't. I expect it to say "domain name not found". End of story.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (-1, Redundant)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235945)

And firebird^H^H^H^Hfox does it for google ... it could be argued that's even worse than Microsoft, since there you get shot off on an I'm Feeling Lucky, while microsoft gives you a list of close matches and lets you choose one. I've had too many times when I mistyped a URL, got shot off to another page entirely, and then had to go back and do a "google URL" to find what I was looking for.

If you don't like it, change the setting. Go to about:config, and either change keyword.url to something you find more congenial than Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky", or just flip keyword.enabled to false to turn the feature off altogether.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236005)

you can, it's easily selectable from a list of search engines that are compatable.

microsoft chose not to allow you to do that.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235778)

At least what microsoft does affects the operation of one specific browser, the Microsoft Internet Explorer. And yes, Microsoft gives you the ability to change this behavior from the Advanced Tab of the Internet Settings by Choosing "Do not Search from the Address Bar".



On the other hand, what Verisign does, affects the operation of any application that relies on DNS to connect anywhere.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (4, Insightful)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235784)

True, but that is a browser thing. It doesn't break well-written applications that don't use MSIE (isn't that redundant?), and doesn't affect Linux/Mac users at all. This, on the other hand breaks applications through no fault of the original developers, forces ads down ppls throats with no means of changing it, and exploits a publicly trusted position.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1)

freerecords (750663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235798)

Unfortunately, as can be seen with Zeitgeist [google.com] . Windows users on MSIE dominate the market. The majority of these the software auto searching for them is as bad, or actually as noticeable, as the DNS doing it.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (2, Informative)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235816)

Understood. I'm not trying to defend MS, but merely point out that with MSIE, there is an alternative in most cases. Whether or not this alternative is pursured, well, that's another matter. At anyrate, my only point is that it is possible to avoid MSIE, whereas it isn't possible to avoid Verisign short of: 1) using pure IP addresses w/o domain names, 2) using alternate DNS servers, or 3) raise enough bloody hell to give Verisign a run for their money.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1)

Squidbait (716932) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236046)

The terms "public trust" and "corporation" are incompatible. What were they thinking?

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (5, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235796)

When you type in a wrong address at the moment which doesn't exist, you are automatically taken to either a site search engine, which is pure crap
Thats on the Web.

But DNS is used for more than web look ups. If DNS returns spurious results for gethostbyname(), a typo in a SSH command, or nntp request will be seriously bjorked.

I've no problem with Firefox (or IE) sending me to a search engine when I try to connect to a typo-ed web page: this is a reasonable policy to set at the application level

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (3, Funny)

mr_mozz (658480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235804)

Thats a different issue entirely. Having a *browser* point you to a search engine is all well and good. You can modify this behaviour to suit yourself. But if the *internet* starts doing this stuff for you... well, it's not a pretty picture.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (1)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235847)

I believe that Microsoft's use of redirection on bad domains would also fail by Verisign's actions.
I am sure, Microsoft wouldn't like that :)

Imagine a dispute between MS and Verisign. Kind of Dr. Evil Versus Minime.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235852)

Dude I'm not too sure how accurate this is, since I haven't used IE in a long time, but there is a setting called "Search from address bar" in the IE preferences. You can turn it off. You can't turn off Verisign's.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (2, Funny)

heikkile (111814) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235882)

Yes, but that is only when you browse the web. When you mistype the address into anything else than a web browser (email address, ssh connection, ftp, vpn, ntp, Z39.50, any private protocol), the program is supposed to receive an error message, and handle it in some meaningful way. Instead the broken DNS gives you a sitefinder address, and your program tries to contact that. Most likely it will time out (in a few seconds), and report to the user that the server he wanted to contact is down. This causes lots of frustration among users, and lots of unnecessary support calls.

Re:And microsoft does this anyway to all windows u (2, Funny)

FrenZon (65408) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235900)

When you type in a wrong address at the moment which doesn't exist, you are automatically taken to either a site search engine, which is pure crap.. or to the microsoft auto search [...]

Or you can just use the Microsoft created and provided TweakUI to change this to go whatever page or search engine you desire. The key is it's user-controlled (heck they can just use another browser), not a change to the core system as this Verisign shenanegans is.

auto.search.msn.com (0)

Pervertus (637664) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235993)

I can't find it in TweakUI (w2k). Where is it exactly?

You would think... (4, Interesting)

TehHustler (709893) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235756)

...that they would learn from past mistakes. But no, of course not.

The problem is, are ICANN going to back down this time and let it slide, or are they going to continue to give Verisign hell over this, and pressure them, as they should definitely do?

Are we likely to see another backlash from users and network admins?

And will there be the same sort of media coverage that basically gave Verisign quite a bad bit of PR for 2 weeks.

It seems like they have sneaked this out again with the minimal amount of fanfare in an attempt to try and stifle the opposition, but when you have so many people mistyping domains everyday, you cant really expect it to go unnoticed and not to piss people off.

Re:You would think... (4, Insightful)

ivan37 (149147) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235864)

There will be another backlash although obviously to a lesser extent. The biggest backlash will come from admins who will once again blacklist the corresponding Site Finder IP.

The fun will start when Verisign starts not liking large ISPs blocking their users from accessing Site Finder and initiate a cat-and-mouse game of having Site Finder resolve to a ton of different changing IPs that the admins will have to keep up with.

Re:You would think... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235932)

Well, in that case I think the Internet Death Penalty for Verisign would be called for...

Re:You would think... (-1, Redundant)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236031)

I welcome the day when Verisign pulls this stunt. At that point, the admins (who control all the IP blocks) will simply reassign ALL of their DNS servers to point somewhere else. Verisign becomes moot, goes out of business, and good riddance! In the same way that the human brain reroutes around tissue damaged by trauma, the internet will reroute around these braindead marketing droids, and leave them twisting in the wind...

If Verisign tries to poision the .com registry with false IPs, well, at some point .com will stop working, and Verisign will have their monopoly revoked by force. I think a public flogging for the idiots responsible will serve as a fair warning not to monkey around with critical infrastructure for personal gain.

Not controversial (5, Funny)

ralmeida (106461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235759)

'Site Finder was not controversial with users'

It wasn't controversial at all. Everybody agree it was a bad idea.

Mirror (5, Informative)

Ddalex (647089) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235767)

Fast mirror here [mirroredby.go.ro] . Enjoy the Net exploatation !

the sooner (5, Interesting)

narkotix (576944) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235776)

they take .com and .net out of verisign's hands the better. Its just unfortunate that this will misinform new people AND generate more needless traffic because of the returned page. Did the search page ever have preferences to certain websites? or was it truly independent? If i typed in server software would it bring up xxx penis extensions because some idiot put in metatags or would it bring up true results?

Comical Ali at work.. (5, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235791)

'Site Finder was not controversial with users'

And in other news, the US forces were crushed in Iraq, Mars Beagle did not go missing and has been transmitting pictures for many days, and these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Re:Comical Ali at work.. (-1, Offtopic)

incal (728144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235868)

Didn't they? Look at patients in US military hospitals. They will tell you something about being crushed. :)

not to feed the trolls but (-1, Offtopic)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236022)

You can't be serious. More US soldiers died in Germany everyday after we occupied it at the end of World War 2; the casualties in Iraq aren't that high at all. I certainly wouldn't call it being crushed. Baka.

Re:not to feed the trolls but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8236047)

sure, iraqi's don't count...wright...

Maybe you should join the forces...or is the couch to comfortable?

Re:Comical Ali at work.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8236036)

Sad but true...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/34 75679.stm

Yet another car bomb in Bagdad city..

"And in other news, the US forces were crushed in Iraq"

Your loss of reality realy isn't funny,... even though the mods say you are....

capitalism at its best... (-1, Troll)

odano (735445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235793)

Since I doubt this ever was/is negative to the internet as a whole, I don't really see the problem in a company "exploiting" their good fortune. This is how capitalism works.

If I were a shareholder, I would angry if they didn't make this move.

Re:capitalism at its best... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235859)

If I were a shareholder, I wouldn't ask them to do this at all. Sure, it may boost short-term profits for them, but in the long-term, it could cause consumer rebellion against them and the revenue lost would probably far outweigh the short-term benefit. You can just look at the slashdot community and say that it could be potentially disastrous in the long-run. Sure, this community is a small subsection of the population, but these people are the gatekeepers for many aspects of the technological world and if you piss the gatekeepers off, all hell breaks loose.

Re:capitalism at its best... (2, Insightful)

Lucky_Norseman (682487) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236037)

Also, this community has lots of weight in the recommendation og technical solutions.

"Yes boss, we could use Verisign, but I spent some hours last night finding alternative solutions that are both better and cheaper. Here they are."

How many companies are looking to work with SCO these days?

MyDoom.D (2, Funny)

dew-genen-ny (617738) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235806)


And in other news, techno soothsayers predict that verisign is going to be the target of a large DDos attack in the near future......

It very well might be. (5, Interesting)

demonic-halo (652519) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235866)

Remember the times when microsoft and SCO had to change their web address to side step being attacked by DDOS for various worms?

If site finder goes up.. All falied DDOS going to old domain names will end up taking those attacks. Guess verisign will be the official decoy for outdated worms. =)

Re:It very well might be. (4, Interesting)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235895)

I had a similar idea... I'd like to see a worm just start hitting random domains, just a GET request to http://akljfhaksjdfhaskldh.net, maybe 2 every 10 seconds or other such interval. Not only would you hammer sitefinder, you'd fill isp caches causing them to take notice and block the sitefinder trash. ..not that I'm conding anything like this..

That is pure evil. (4, Informative)

demonic-halo (652519) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235916)

I love the idea.

That would just put so much stress on BIND servers around the world. It can just very well bring down the internet for most of the world. That could easily cause a massive slow down in just looking up domain names since the caches can fill entire databases.

Re:That is pure evil. (4, Interesting)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235969)

Indeed, it's evil, but if Verisign makes it trivial to DoS the entire internet, then SiteFinder is probably not a good idea.

That's what we get with corporations (5, Insightful)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235807)

That's what we get by having corporations managing the Internet infraestructure instead of a public service. Some people talk about censorship, but if the corporations actually have the nerve to do something like this, whow long does it take until censorship sets in?

"Not controversial with users" (2, Funny)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235809)

The full paragraph from the internal Verisign report reads:

"Studies in Outer Mongolia showed that our Site Finder service was not controversial with users of the Trans-Himalaya Yak Courier Service. Everyone else on the planet, including Arawoyo Pnu (34) from Upper Amazonia, found the service both useless and obnoxious. We therefore recommend renaming the Site Finder service to 'Yak Finder' in order to better exploit the Outer Mongolian market."

Learning lessons from Hitler (2, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235832)

The main tenet of Nazi propaganda was that the public is more likely to believe a big lie than a small one.

Seems to be a philosophy the PR flacks for VeriSign and SCO subscribe to wholeheartedly.

"You have to license your Linux installation from us." "Everybody likes Sitefinder." "I was singing in a church choir in Cucamonga when the murder happened." "I won't cum in your mouth."

Sheesh.

Re:Learning lessons from Hitler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235855)

They must have learnt it from their politicians.

Re:Learning lessons from Hitler (-1, Offtopic)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235953)

Yup, and look where that got Clinton.

Re:Learning lessons from Hitler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235995)

And look where it got Bush!

Keep on arguing about the puppet show, kids! Picking one of two identical sides and defending it to the death is sure to fix *everything*!

Re:Learning lessons from Hitler (-1, Offtopic)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236003)

For the humour impaired, I was referring to the last quote given.

Take a wild guess?! (1, Interesting)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235834)

Come on I dare ya.

Guess which site is the next potential target for the MyDoom virus??

I have a new job (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235839)

God will roast ICANN stomachs in hell at the hands of Verisign.

I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide behind our firewalls. We will welcome them with bullets and shoes.

VeriSign Poll (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235851)

"Site Finder was not controversial with users, 84 percent of whom said they liked it as a helpful navigation service,.."

Hmm, I wonder how they selected those users ?

Something like this ?

Are you running Windows, Mydoom, Kazaa, and you don't care about privacy or legal issues ? Have we got a poll for you !

when is DDOS not a DDOS ? (5, Interesting)

mr_walrus (410770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235863)

can someone be blamed for doing a denial of service
to a site that Does Not Exist ?

how about some scripts to pump out requests to a fairly
limited set of known to be Non-Existent domains...

could this possibly cause an interesting burden on Verishit's servers?

would the name lookups themselves affect DNS too badly to
cause innocent collateral damage? i'd hope caching of a limited
set of non-existent names would avoid much dns load.

just curious, academic musing and all that...

An extension of this idea (4, Insightful)

ColourlessGreenIdeas (711076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235911)

Last time they were accepting emails to non-existant domains too. If everyone makes sure they have lots of web pages with long lists of email addresses in nonexistant domains then the spammers will spend a significant fraction of their bandwidth DOSing verisign instead of hassling the rest of us.

In your idea, remember to get the script to follow all the paid-for links. The advertisers will have to pay for the hit, and will soon realise they're getting bad value for money. And you can still identiy site-finder DNS entries easily, so you could just mis-spell random real web sites and see if they point to site-finder.

Contact Verisign. (5, Informative)

MooKore 2004 (737557) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235867)

All slashdotters, espeically people that were seriously affected by sitefinder, please complain NOW. [verisign.com] Let them know how controversial it is!

As I said in a journal entry.. (-1, Troll)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235872)

me-->(_(_)====DO:--verisign.net A 64.94.110.11

That about sums up the whole sitefinder thing. Verisign sucks my peenar.

Troubleshooting (3, Interesting)

justinmc (710870) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235879)

I don't know about you guys, but this made troubleshooting a pain for me. Me: you are not able to access the server? User: But I can ping it??? Me:Is it giving back (Sitefinder IP - can't remember it) User: Yes - it is responding, why can't I access it???? Me: Well you see, DNS works by... User: I don't care, fix it Me: But........

An apology from the Washington Post (4, Funny)

alien_blueprint (681111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235881)

Galvin said that the continued opposition stems from "an ideological belief by a narrow section of the technological community who don't believe you should innovate the core infrastructure of the Internet."

In our recent article a number of mistakes slipped past our content review processes. In this case "destroy" was incorrectly spelled "innovate". Also "ideological" clearly was meant be "correct". Likewise "narrow section" appeared instead of "all".

We apologise for these errors and any confusion they might have caused.

I have yet to RTFA... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235940)

But the text in the headline made me almost yell, "BULLSHIT."

Well... (2, Interesting)

i_am_syco (694486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235963)

Am I the only one here who actually thought SiteFinder was good? I mean, quite a few times, if I was typing in a domain, like say Homestarrunner.com, and I misspelled it, I'd get a "no server found" error, have to go back into the URL and try and figure out where I screwed up. Not exactly a challenge, but still annoying. With SiteFinder, I just have to click the link that popped up. And it always popped up.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235991)

While it may have it's minor uses, as your example listed above, the primary cause for the hatred of the system is that it literally *breaks* the system. By offering that tiny convienence it wants to destroy DNS and TCP rules. Most of us feel that sacrafice is uncalled for and unnessessary.

You must be new here (1)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236018)

"Am I the only one here who actually thought SiteFinder was good?"

Yes. [slashdot.org]

Surely this could be considered trademark dilution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8235966)

Why aren't major companies/monopolies/evil people with lots of money speaking out about this? Are they getting a cut? Seems you need $$$ to make a 'controversy'.

Maybe what Verisign needs... (1)

Wiser87 (742455) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235968)

...is an "IntelligenceFinder" ?

Mydoom.V (-1, Offtopic)

Smoje (746773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235970)

Oh, let see when the Mydoom.V version attacks Verisign web page.

The virus eats his web page like the old tv serie "V" :P

Re:Mydoom.V (1)

lutefish (746659) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235979)

Are you suggesting that Verisign are really alien lizards in disguise? That explains a lot. Including the yak-marketing.

How long... (-1, Offtopic)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235976)

till MyDoom.V DDOS [random address].com???

it's not a lie if there is a grain of truth to it (4, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 10 years ago | (#8235980)

"Site Finder was not controversial with users"

Hm, let's see:

a) Right. It just was extremely controversial with those who didn't use it (i.e. everyone else, like 99% of the Internet users)

b) Right, it wasn't controversial. Everyone agreed that it's a bloody fucking stupid thing.

c) Right, it wasn't the Sitefinder page itself that we all hated, it was Verisigns "bend over, here we come" attitude of forcing it on everyone, whether they wanted to or not.

Now that's three ways how he's saying the truth. Can't really argue with that, can you?

Dear Verisign (1)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236014)

On the sitefinder thing: NO THANK YOU.

We don't want it. It looks like one of those domain squater search engines where every link goes to gay oran utan porn. You all can keep it. I like my error messages better.

Pathfinder (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8236017)

I would be more impressed if Verisign restarted the Pathfinder [sgi.com] instead of Sitefinder.

Isn't there anything we can do? (2, Insightful)

lofoforabr (751004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8236050)

Can't we do something, I mean, something to legally make them pay for it?
Verisign has a long story of abuse with DNS, and we should be able to do something more than bitch about it or make technical workarounds (ie, patches to dns) about it.
Perhaps a petition to ICANN with enough signatures to make them revoke Verisign's contract?
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