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Hackers Hall of Fame

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the did-they-pick-the-right-ones dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "tlc.discovery.com has a nice feature called Hackers Hall of Fame. They have included 15 bios of modern and not so modern hackers and crackers. " Definitely a few names that probably don't deserve to be on the list, but for the most part this is a good list.

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445 comments

Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Post) (3, Insightful)

Can it run Linux (664464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237526)

Yeah, yeah, I know, I'll be lynched for saying that Bill "I am Satan" Gates should be on par with RMS, ESR and Linus, but think about this for a second.

Bill founded what is now the largest software company in the world, and wether or not you agree with him, he has made a important contribution to the computing industry: Microsoft brought desktop computing to the home user.

Now, be honest. How many of us had our first computer experience with MS-DOS or Windows 3.1? Do you think that if computers still consisted on thin-client-server models based on huge VAX mainframes, that Joe and Jane Smith would be able to dial-in to AOL and connect to thousands of people around the world? Would the Internet have blossomed into the vast information network it is today without the aid of easy-to-use software from Microsoft? How about Grandma who wants to set up a webcam so she can chat with her grandchildren? She doesn't want to have to sit and hack kernels for hours. She wants Plug-and-Play, baby.

Look, disagree all you like, but thanks to things like Windows, Office, and MSN, modern computing has been made easy and affordable to everyone, thanks to pioneers like Bill Gates.

MALDA TRIVIA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237576)

Did Rob Malda date a furry once?

The answer [google.com]

Re:MALDA TRIVIA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237912)

That's an obvious troll. Everyone knows Malda prefers boys 15 and younger.

Re:MALDA TRIVIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237990)

Is this true? beacuse if it is, I DONT FUCKING CARE.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (5, Insightful)

Aneurysm (680045) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237698)

This is very true, but would you consider Bill Gates more of a hacker or more of a businessman? I agree that Bill Gates has changed the face of modern computing an awful lot, but as a businessman than as any form of system hacker

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (1, Interesting)

pcraven (191172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237776)

Not really. Bill's first pushes into computers were totally in the 'hack' world. He later graduated from that to business. Their BASIC interpreter was written totally by hand. They didn't have a computer. They took it to IBM and sweating bullets they put it in the computer and it ran. Can you imagine demo'ing a software product to the 900 pound IBM gorilla, but never actually getting a chance to run it first?

I can't stand Microsoft and Bill really irritates me. But the work they did at first was truly in the hacker's work. I mean 8.3 file names, tell me that isn't a hack?

(Ok, I defended Bill Gates, there goes my karma.)

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (2, Funny)

diersing (679767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237921)

As well, he *hacked* the mouse away from IBM and *hacked* the GUI away from Apple.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (1)

rokka (631038) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237956)

Didn't they do a Forthran compiler for the Altair first? And then they got pissed of when the hackers at homebrew computer club shared it with each other. I do think Mr. Gates has done a great deal in computing but I do not consider him a hacker simply because he do not obey the so called 'hacker ethic' - that is, hack and share your hacks with whomever wants them.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (4, Insightful)

Tarwn (458323) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238031)

Got my vote. Then again I don't really follow what they're listing.

I mean if we were listing hackers, there's a bunch of names that don't belong on there. If we were listing crackers, well, then the page has the wrong name (and has for some time).

And for those of you that think the fact that Gates is a business man now, and that MSN should disqualify him, I have only this to say:
Should we now start removing people from places like the baseball hall of fame after they retire?

The fact is that they did something at some point to be honored in the hall of fame, it doesn't matter if they proceeded to never get on base again in the rest of their career.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (2, Funny)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238040)

Their BASIC interpreter was written totally by hand. They didn't have a computer. They took it to IBM and sweating bullets they put it in the computer and it ran.

Oh, how times have changed...

What happened, Bill?

--Stephen

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (5, Informative)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238042)

Not really. Bill's first pushes into computers were totally in the 'hack' world. He later graduated from that to business. Their BASIC interpreter was written totally by hand. They didn't have a computer. They took it to IBM and sweating bullets they put it in the computer and it ran. Can you imagine demo'ing a software product to the 900 pound IBM gorilla, but never actually getting a chance to run it first?

Sorry, you are inaccurate in few important points. First of all, their "hacking" deal was not with IBM, it was with MITS, a small company in Albuquerque, the first to manufacture a microchip-based personal computer, the Altair with the 8080 CPU. It was featured as a cover girl, oops, cover story of Popular Electronics in 1974. That's how Bill Gates and Paul Allen got into the PC business. And they actually have had a computer - they had a 8080 emulator working on their university DEC machine. They didn't have actual Altair, because no one had it those days - the cover photo was a mock, MITS was just testing the water with a vaporware announcement (things haven't improved that much since the good ole 1974!).

Nevertheless, squeezing a BASIC interpreter into the tiny 4K memory of the Altair was indeed a piece of fine hacking - even if the credit goes actually to Paul Allen rather than Bill himself.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (5, Insightful)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237796)

I agree with the parent post about Bill bringing computing to the masses even though my earliest computing experiences have nothing to do with wintel or even PCs for that matter. IMHO BillG's single greatest hack isn't technological; it's social/business.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (4, Insightful)

imr (106517) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237806)

The most famous hacker in their original team was probably Paul Allen.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (1)

elusus (562774) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237842)

Windows, Office,
... MSN??

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (3, Funny)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237993)

Windows, Office... MSN??

  • clippy!
  • bob!

Stealing the Mona Lisa... (-1, Troll)

Dave21212 (256924) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237845)


Um, stealing the Mona Lisa doesn't make you a great artist any more than than Bill Gates tendency to steal and covet other peoples work makes him a great hacker...

Bill Gates has done more to retard the computer industry than any man alive !

Re:Stealing the Mona Lisa... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237954)

I don't know.... you're pretty retarded without Bill Gates' intervention.


Did your mom poke you with a coat hanger a few times before you were born?

Re:Stealing the Mona Lisa... (4, Insightful)

fruey (563914) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238058)

Bill Gates has done more to retard the computer industry than any man alive !

You are so wrong about that. What Bill Gates (or at least Microsoft) did was to give computing to the masses. The PC revolution was completely Microsoft driven. They made stuff simple. They took away all the beauty of a real computer system, but they made it dead easy. They gave us:

CTRL-ALT-DEL... Abort, Retry or Fail?... OK, Cancel... Press any key to reboot...

That's all rubbish compared to proper error messages, but the upshot is that your Grandma can use a computer because Microsoft dumbed it all down enough and made it easy to work with PCs.

Sure, they gained a monopoly too, and such a position of power as to exclude others... but their time will come, and their contribution will rise from the ashes as being a real, tangible one. Even if it was copied from elsewhere! It certainly didn't "retard" anything. Dubious business practices maybe, but you don't get to the top without stepping on a few people.

Disclaimer: I prefer to run Linux, but I'm interested enough to work it all out, and fascinated by the intricacies. But it's not ready for your Grandmother yet.

Bill Gates Punk Rock Hacker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237846)

Microsoft has lee law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won
I needed the money 'cause I had tons
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won
gal guns
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won
I needed the money 'cause I had tons
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won

Robbin' people with a six gun
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won

Damnit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237873)

Microsoft has legal guns
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won
I needed the money 'cause I had tons
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won

Robbin' people with a six gun
I hacked the law and my hack won
I hacked the law and my hack won

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (1)

ivern76 (665227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237888)

Gates is not a hacker, he traded in his keyboard long ago for an empty suit and a few billion. He belongs nowhere near that list.

Re:Bill Gates, Hall of Fame Hacker? (P.S. First Po (4, Insightful)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238009)

Now, be honest. How many of us had our first computer experience with MS-DOS or Windows 3.1?

Probably less than you might think. While our parents were doing boring crap such as wordprocessing on their drab IBM PC, we were hacking away on our Sinclairs, Commodores, Ataris, Amigas, Dragons, Tandys, Amstrads, Acorns, etc. Those were what the young computer geeks were using in the 1980s.

I call him Pickles (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237528)

The son of the chief scientist at the National Computer Security Center -- part of the National Security Agency (NSA) -- this Cornell University graduate student introduced the word "hacker" into the vernacular when he accidentally unleashed an Internet worm in 1988. Thousands of computers were infected and subsequently crashed.

Worst Photo (5, Funny)

mindshadow (240798) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237540)

I think one of the criteria may have been "worst photo"

Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (4, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237542)


They don't do the oft-maligned term "hacker" any justice by including convicted criminals in that list. They should have distinct lists, IE: a "Hackers Hall of Fame" and a "Crackers Hall of Shame" rather than lumping the two together. Mind you, these are the people that forgot the "L" in TLC stood for "Learning" and started filling the channel with home decorating shows.

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237627)

oh they "Learned" all right. They figured out that it was making them a lot more money to give women a show that they could force their husbands and unlucky boyfriends to watch.

I not only am being begged to get cable when the gf returns but I also shelled out money for the While you were out DVD...

I heard somewhere that it was the most popular CATV show for 20-early 30 somethings...

But isn't language defined by usage? (5, Insightful)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237633)

If 99% of the world uses "hacker" in a negative context, I think the real hackers had better find a new term, because language is driven by those that use it. I feel your pain, but I think it's a losing battle. There's many cases of word meaning evolving from one thing to another.

And one minor admonishment: just because home improvement isn't something that interests you does not mean it isn't learning. I got into home inprovement projects a couple years ago, and have learned a lot from those shows. Built my own deck and redid a bathroom all by my lonesome, and the results are beautiful. Even just home decorating is a pretty dense topic, with centuries of data and styles to consider.

Re:But isn't language defined by usage? (1)

hankwang (413283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237767)

If 99% of the world uses "hacker" in a negative context, I think the real hackers had better find a new term

But which term? An earlier discussion [slashdot.org] showed that alternatives such as "programming enthousiast" and "codesmith" do not really carry the same associations.

Re:But isn't language defined by usage? (2, Informative)

Bigman (12384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238000)

Code Poet
That's what I say :o)
It confuses people, but they usually ask what you mean. And yes, I have bought the t-shirt!

redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237778)

Though I agree with your point it is redundant...
(Re-read the description of ESR...)

Re:But isn't language defined by usage? (4, Funny)

naelurec (552384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238007)

I think this quote from Office Space sums it up nicely...

SAMIR: How come no one in this country can pronounce my name right? It's Na-gee-een-ah-jah. Nagaenajar

MICHAEL: At least your name isn't Michael Bolton.

SAMIR: Michael, there's nothing wrong with that name.

MICHAEL: There was nothing wrong with it. Until I was about nine years old and that no-talent assclown became famous and started winning Grammys.

SAMIR: Well, why don't just go by Mike, instead of Michael?

MICHAEL: WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS.

------> why should hackers change their name if others don't get it right? Thats nonsense. Besides, hackers would come up with a better term and the unenlighten will still lump hackers/crackers together.

Re:But isn't language defined by usage? (1)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238023)


And one minor admonishment: just because home improvement isn't something that interests...

Home improvement does interest me but there are lots of other channels for that (HGTV, etc) I used to enjoy TLC for the learning content. Now, though, they see the money in home improvement shows and have basically dropped any science-ish shows. Trading Space, While You Were Out, etc.. I don't know what they play now as I cancelled my cable TV service a while back.

So if 99% of people say 'supposably'... (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238024)


instead of 'supposedly', then that should be okay, too? I hope not.

Think about ask vs axe, height vs heighth, and the rampant use of 'they' to denote a single person, and tell me that language should be defined by usage. (Not flaming - this issue bothers me.) People who know better should strive to use the language properly.

A stupid/incorrect thing done by a million people is still a stupid/incorrect thing.

Slightly [more] off-topic, but I have learned quite a bit about gardening/landscaping from watching 'Ground Force' on BBC America. The other decorating shows (e.g. Changing Rooms) seem to end up with fairly cheap-looking results. I know all the decorators are on a budget, but the outdoor projects seem to look more elegant.

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237665)

Dear Sir/Madam,

May I ask as to why you feel the need to constantly karma-whore, posting irrelevant, idiotic comments with nothing to contribute? Why not spend your energy in better things, like learing a second language or flying a kite?

Yours sincerely

Colonel F. H. Puddywedge, Esq.

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237939)

Make me a Foe and ignore my comments. No skin off my arse, AC.

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (1)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237763)

I think the real point of this list is to get 5 great hackers and then stick in your favourite 10 to give them fame by association. It's like giving an award to "Stallman and John Doe" - wow, who is this amazing John Doe?.

A *decent* blurb on each would make this list newsworthy, but as it is - it looks like a few facts scraped together to make it look researched.

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (0, Redundant)

noselasd (594905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237784)

Thats right.
However the rest of the world use "hacker" the way the Jargon File defines cracker. For the common man hacker = cracker. So having a "hackers and crackers" list might make sense if they think crackers and hackers are the same.
Though they messed this list completly up. Stallman and Dennis Ritchie are not "crackers" and does defintly not belong in the same list as crackers.
Aleph [fywss.com] - Supposedly Dennis Ritchie favourite language

Re:Mass Media Idiocy strikes again (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237886)

blame this guy :

"
Robert Morris

Handle: rtm

Claim to fame: The son of the chief scientist at the National Computer Security Center -- part of the National Security Agency (NSA) -- this Cornell University graduate student introduced the word "hacker" into the vernacular when he accidentally unleashed an Internet worm in 1988. Thousands of computers were infected and subsequently crashed.
"
.

anyways most of them seem to fit more to the 'hacker' than to the 'cracker'.. well now they should just make a list of the most famous netHACKERS.

I dunno (5, Insightful)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237545)

I'm not so sure about the validity of the list. Wouldn't the best hackers be the ones that pulled off a great hack that went unnoticed and the hacker didn't get caught? Just a thought...

Re:I dunno (1)

matth (22742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237630)

No,
If you don't get caught what's the point? You have to atleast get some recognition or there is no point in doing it.. no self gratification.

Re:I dunno (2, Insightful)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237646)

if you're simply hacking for recognition, then you should automatically be banned from the list.

Re:I dunno (3, Insightful)

matth (22742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237729)

What else do you hack for?
You crack for information, you hack for recognition.
Cracking is illegal.
Hacking is very legal.

Re:I dunno (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237760)

What else do you hack for?
Gibsons.

Re:I dunno (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238014)

Great reference!

Re:I dunno (2, Insightful)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237992)

What else do you hack for?

You hack for fun ( or else you are a dumbass ).

Re:I dunno (2, Insightful)

wwest4 (183559) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237972)

if you're simply hacking for recognition, then you should automatically be banned from the list


The problem with this is that it's pretty difficult to prove the intent. I would bet that ALL of the named people were seeking recognition - be it widespread attention, approval, or disdain. Such a criterion would exclude people who should be on the list despite their shameless self-promotion... like Shimomura. There's a self serving, egomaniacal prick who is totally devoted to the craft and quite good at it.

I think the list is pretty "fair and balanced." If anything, they are missing some people - Bill Gates is an obvious one, as previously mentioned.

Re:I dunno (1)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238059)

I would bet that ALL of the named people were seeking recognition.

I am not sure. At least not at the beginning.For example, Torvalds started linux thinking it will never get widely spread.

Re:I dunno (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237723)

Wouldn't the best hackers be the ones that pulled off a great hack that went unnoticed and the hacker didn't get caught?

If it didn't get noticed, exactly what would you have done that was worthwhile? Like the yokels hacking into government honeypots and think "Wow, I'm a great hacker" Or do you think there's real Hollywood style hackers out there breaking into corporate computers to manipulate stock prices for the benefit of mystery charities (because Hollywood hackers would never do it to enrich themselves)

Re:I dunno (2, Interesting)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237746)

maybe hacking corporate computers to manipulate stock prices for the benefit of yourself. I mean, come on..there's gotta be some hackers out there that have gotten filthy rich from what they did but they knew well enough to keep their mouths shut about it.

Re:I dunno (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237742)

I'm not so sure about the validity of the list. Wouldn't the best hackers be the ones that pulled off a great hack that went unnoticed and the hacker didn't get caught? Just a thought...

psst, say no more! I wanna keep my two billons...

Re:I dunno (5, Funny)

matth (22742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237808)

Actually, as I'm thinking about it.. hacking is fairly easy.. I've watched several hollywood movies and I think that I am now certified to do hacking... infact let me see.. based on what I've learned you bring up an SSH prompt and then start banging away at keys and the password is always something like 'password', 'opensesame', or some random array of characters that you will just happen to hit with your hand... it's really very easy!

Re:I dunno (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8238054)

> I've learned you bring up an SSH prompt [...]

The login screens are usually much more colorful than a standard terminal.

> [...] or some random array of characters that you will just happen to hit with your hand...

Don't forget that it will usually only work on your second or third try.

What about trinity? (-1, Offtopic)

infinite9 (319274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237549)

I hope trinity is on the list! I heard she cracked the IRS database.

Re:What about trinity? (1)

sinucus (85222) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237563)

no, you got it all wrong... it was the IRS dbase! no h4x0r points for you.

Re:What about trinity? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237586)

no... it wasn't the IRS database it was the IRS T-Base

Whatever that is, it sounds tough to crack.

YAFAP (-1)

Captain Goatse (715400) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237561)

They didn't include my first NetHack ascension :(

but they left out the two best!!!!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

freerecords (750663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237565)

what about Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer??!?!?
HUH??
HUH???

wont see their names... (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237578)

The mst deserving will NEVER be on a "list".

as they were smart enough to play the game right and didn't do the stupid thing that get's a "hacker" fame... bragging about it.

The absolute best hackers on this planet sit back and grin, but never say a word.

Re:wont see their names... (1)

isaac338 (705434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237678)

Like Andy of Mydoom fame, right?

Bjarne Stroustrup (4, Insightful)

savagedome (742194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237579)

Shouldn't Bjarne Stroustrup be on the list next to Ritchie and Thomson?

Re:Bjarne Stroustrup (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237718)

No. OO had been done before. C had been done before. Bjarne just took an existing language and made it OO; hardly a groundbreaking premise.

Now, if you thought the guys who developed Smalltalk should be on the list you might be closer to the mark.

I'd nominate Doug Engelbert perhaps, but then he was doing more human interaction and psycology work than he was hacking..

Re:Bjarne Stroustrup (2, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237731)

What about James Gosling, then ?

I personally missed Chuck [colorforth.com] .

He is the most impressive of them all.

Pet peeve... (5, Funny)

AyeRoxor! (471669) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237581)

"Definitely a few names that probably don't deserve to be on the list"
Definitely probably?

/pick one

Obvious mistakes... (4, Funny)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237612)

Straight from the article:

Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson
[...]
An elegant, open operating system for minicomputers, UNIX helped users with general computing, word processing and networking, and soon became a standard language.


Ah well. At least they got 90% of that article right... *sigh*

Re:Obvious mistakes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237805)

Oh come on. What other operating systems have actually influenced popular culture by adding words to its vocabulary. How many other operating systems have created something as catchy as /dev/null. Maybe the description as a language is not so far off. In many ways language is what makes Unix so great. It has a simple, precise language for describing everything. The greatest of its abilities can be summarized with the bourne shell and macro language.

Nitpick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237874)

The three words UNIX helped users of 23 are actually 13 percent and not 10.

Re:Obvious mistakes... (2, Informative)

nursedave (634801) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237882)

Also from article:
introduced the word "hacker" into the vernacular when he accidentally unleashed an Internet worm in 1988
When I was a junior in high school, I wrote a paper about hackers. I was living in a podunk West Texas town and the term hacker was certainly in the 'vernacular' (that word always makes me think of worms) then; I graduated in '87. Methinks the authors sense of time, or his desire to 'sex up' his article, are off a bit.

JEFF K! (3, Funny)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237614)

Man, I still remember when he rooted my VCR and had it constantly play Space Quest 2 for hours!

Angelina Jolie? (5, Funny)

grungebox (578982) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237617)

Is she in the hackers hall of fame? Perhaps Matthew Lillard as well? Where are AcidBurn and ZeroCool when you need 'em?

Re:Angelina Jolie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237900)

ZeroCool was played by Johnny Lee Miller. Matthew Lillard was Cereal Killer.

Huh? (3, Funny)

black666 (630792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237629)

Who is this Linus Torvalds guy?
Must be one of those lunatics, who think they can write an entire OS and change the world ... yeahh

news? this is over three years old. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237659)

check the wayback machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010721134101/http:/ /t lc.discovery.com/convergence/hackers/bio/bio.html

July 2001. I've seen this page in about every other google search i've ever done on one of these guys.

Re:news? this is over three years old. (1)

troon (724114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237841)

I first realised this was old when reading Linus's [wikipedia.org] entry. He has three daughters these days.

Re:news? this is over three years old. (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237860)

Yep. If I remember back far enough it was posted at least once on slashdot too. Maybe twice.

I'm not on there? (4, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237666)

Em Emalb

Handle: (door knob)

Claim to fame: A hacker of the old skool (fool), Em Emalb walked in off the street and got a job
at McDonald's Artificial Meat Lab in 1975. He was an undergraduate at Hardees at the time.
Disturbed that meat was murder, Em Emalb later founded the Free Meat Foundation.

First encountered a computer: In 1991, at the place known as his bedroom. He was 16 years old.

Unusual tools: In the 1980s Em Emalb left McDonald's payroll but continued to work from a register at McDonalds.
Here he created a new operating system called GFries -- short for GNU's Fries really irritate everyone, sucka.

Little-known fact: Recipient of minimum wage for several years.

Current status: Em Emalb has just finished reading a book, Penthouse Letters, a tribute to hot sweaty sex.
This book is available via Penthouse, Inc.

Good publicity / Bad publicity (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237699)

I don't think people like Richard Stallman, Ken Thompson, and Eric Raymond want to be put in the same category as Kevin Mitnick and Cap'n Crunch. Lumping them together seems to me like an opportunity for Darl McBride to go "Look! All the Linux people are really crooked hackers!"

Re:Good publicity / Bad publicity (1)

goodbye_kitty (692309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237751)

I think is due to confused double meaning of the word 'hacker' as used in the article.

Re:Good publicity / Bad publicity (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237786)

Who cares? It's not like he'll be able to cite tlc.discovery.com in court. You all are way too concerned with PR. Trust me, I've met the kind of people who spend all their time obsessed with this kind of thing. They work in marketing. You don't want to end up like them.

Cap'n Crunch (0, Troll)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237866)

Cap'n Crunch provided just as valuable a public service as RMS: showing the falicy of the "exchange value" concept. No one is hurt by making free phone calls with the bluebox just as nobody is hurt by using GNU instead of SUN. software has a use value but should not have an exchange value, meaning it ought to be free, and i do mean also free of charge. I don't like to pay for things. That said, I am using MacOS X 10.3 on an iBook G4 I got at the end of October. But I didn't buy any other software for it. I got free or pirated stuff to fill out what didn't come with this thing.
Phone calls also should be free. ther is no reason why they should be paid for. The government should make people do the maintanance on the lines and money should be eliminated.

Too bad this "story" dates from Dec 2002 (0, Redundant)

Helevius (456392) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237706)

This "list" is way old news. Try this search [discovery.com] for "hackers" at TLC.

I'm waiting to see the "repost" notice next.

Helevius

haiku (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237717)

bill gates a hacker? now a job for real hackers: hack slashdot, fix it.

Amusing what I found in the article (2, Interesting)

metroid composite (710698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237744)

From the article itself:
Eric Steven Raymond

Eric Steven Raymond is the granddaddy of today's hackers, a man who revels in living the life in all its geeky glory. According to him, "The world is full of fascinating problems waiting to be solved."

Annoyed by the fact that most people misuse the term "hacker," he wrote The Hacker's Dictionary and How to Be a Hacker. (Raymond says the basic difference is that "hackers build things, crackers break them.")

Not only is he respected for his astounding skills as a programmer, but Raymond is also valued as a fierce defender of the Open Source Movement, which is based on the premise that programmers should be able to read and modify all software source codes. In this IT paradise, programmers would be able to improve software and fix any potentially lethal bugs. Steve Wozniak would be a god. Bill Gates would be the serpent.

In addition to programming, Raymond is also a fan of libertarianism, neo-paganism and the right to bear arms.

Re:Amusing what I found in the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237855)

Yes, ESR was a source for the article. So of course he put himself in that list and had this to say about himself:
Not only is he respected for his astounding skills as a programmer
Trouble is, it just ain't true. He just wishes it was. ESR is most famous for "maintaining" the bletcherous fetchmail, and for pissing off the entire Linux kernel development community.

old news (1)

SignificantBit (677809) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237791)

and this is news? i'm pretty sure this site has been online for like a year.

Keven Mitnick (5, Informative)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237802)

Keven Mitnick will be interviewed for three hours tonight on Coast to Coast AM radio. Check the website for local station listings.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com

Ya ya ya, I know...off topic. But I had to...

Re:Keven Mitnick (1)

Unknown Kadath (685094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238029)

Coast-to-Coast AM? Formerly known as the Art Bell Show? Mitnick has legitimate complaints against the Justice Department, which is far too sane for that show. What's he going to talk about? How the government implanted secret tracking chips in his brain while they were holding him?

That would be hilarious.

-Carolyn

This is a really great article. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237824)

It clearly shows the direct connection between UNIX, Linux, the FSF, GNU, and C to criminal behavior around the world. The article shines new light on the subject by properly illuminating who the ring leaders of the worlds cybercriminals are.

At keast that seems like the logical conclusion to dumping the worlds greatest computer innovators in with the worlds greatest computer criminals and then calling them all equal.

Maybe I need to take another course in propositional calculus but I'm fairly certain that article is saying that creating UNIX or C was the technological and moral equivalent of robbing a bank.

Robert Morris???!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237826)

Hacker hall of fame

Well at least they got John Draper in there.

Barlow (1)

johnny_cobol (544511) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237850)

What the hell is Barlow doing on this list?

program language inventor? or serial killer? (2, Funny)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237853)

Not nearly half as informative as this site [malevole.com] .

Which hacked code? And which preferred to hack away at victims' corpses instead? :)

Cap'n Crunch (3, Interesting)

Eklypz (731361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237863)

How come they do not mention Cap'n Crunch running around all bug-eyed at raves in the Bay Area? Saw him going to them for up until I left the area in '96, came back in '03 and still raving. Sad thing is, few of my friends out there had ever heard of him :( Gives you perspective on our personal realities.

Those who didn't belong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237864)

What has John Perry Barlow done in terms of hacking? And Tsutomu Shimomura? One founded the EFF, the other was a sysadmin who detected his computers were being compromised by Kevin Mitnick. Those are a coupkle people who didn't seem to belong. Any others?

They forgot something! (5, Interesting)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237908)

If I remember well, Robert Morris father (former NSA scientist if I remember well) also worked on Multics, the "ancestor" of UNIX.

One day, programmers saw Rober Morris Sr go to a Multics console. He called everyone in the room to him. Then, once he had everyone complete attention, he hit three keys at the same time on the console... and crashed Multics completely.

He then left the room without saying a word, leaving all the others scratching their heads...

I don't know if the story is true, or what were the three keys he pressed, but with a father like that, it's no wonder young Robert Morris Jr ended up a hacker! ;-)

Some background info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8237918)

What is a Hacker [wikipedia.org] , the Timeline of hacker history [wikipedia.org] , and the best book on hackers [wikipedia.org] .

Hacker vs. Cracker (4, Insightful)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237952)

When is this stupid argument going to die? It's now totally pointless to try to force the definition of hacker [reference.com] to be someone who writes code and cracker [reference.com] to be what the mass media calls a hacker. Languages are living things and just because Eric Raymond would like to define hacker as it was at one point in time is irrelevant to current usage. Even conferences like H2K [h2k.net] are more about hacking in the cracking sense than hacking.

This is similar to trying to argue that the word gay [reference.com] is not associated with homosexual men now; it's time to get over the old definitions of words (particularly slang words) and move on.

Otherwise we'd all be walking around using the word ace [reference.com] to describe things that are currently considered phat [reference.com] .

John.

Linus Doesn't Work for Transmeta (1)

Ridgelift (228977) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237971)

Article states Linus works for Transmeta...not anymore. He works for the Open Source Development Labs now.

I'm glad Gates, Jobs and Ballmer are not mentioned on the list. Hackers build things, cracker break them, and ransackers like Gates sell broken things.

an interesting story (4, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8237980)

I read a book on the "masters of deception" many years ago. Phiber Optik became a major hero and roll model for me. I even got kind of good at using the aging telenet network to make free longdistance calls to Europe via global outdials. One of the characters mentioned in the book was also Robert T. Morris, refered to I believe just as 'rtm.' At about this time (i was 12) I started fiddling with FreeBSD, and eventually my uncle gave me a copy of RH Linux. I then started reading a lot of FSF propaganda. I started to confuse RTM and RMS. My fascination with RTM eventually turned itself into a fascination with RMS out of sheer stupidity on my part (hey, i was like 13. what the hell did i know). Then i started to think that RMS was full of it, went back to FreeBSD. Then i got turned on to communism by some fellow Irish Republicans, started to think RMS kickced ass, became as psycho HURD user, realised HURD was a piece of shit and bought a Macintosh. Now I get to be a hypocrit, especially since I am an ex phreak and [ex]decent programmer (i patched the vfat file system driver in the linux kernel once...that was about the height of my career), i've realised that i do infact hate the world wide web and now at the age of 20, after realising that computers are an instrument of fascism and that so-called "socialist" intellectuals and academics are all counter-revolutionary (Lenin, Mao, Chirac), I've quit school to become a carpenter so my fiance and i can move back to Ireland and have a nice country life and shoot loyalists. actually, this story kind of sucks....

Discovery BIO Error: Linus Torvalds (1)

stuffduff (681819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238006)

I sent 'em a comment, since he's with OSDL [osdl.org] now.

It was an interesting site, and I was pleased to find out that I started using computers two years before that first guy there! ;^)

Torvalds (12 in the series)... (1)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#8238013)

still works for Transmeta? That's news to me.

Wrongness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8238053)

Lets see. They list Richard M. Stallman. Good. Nice choice. Yea.

Then they claim he wrote and OPERATING SYSTEM called GNU.

Errr? GNU has a set of tools. Because of the lack of HURD progress and the adoption of the GNU toolset wholesale on top of a Linux kernel doesn't make GNU an operating system, nor does it make the GNU toolset "Linux".
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