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Toy Penguins and Male Egos Drove Linux Acceptance

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the hello-to-the-FDNY-Hell's-Kitchen-company dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Germany's local and city councils have been pioneering the migration from Windows to Linux. Now, one of the IT staff behind one move has revealed how they persuaded workers to accept the changes. Stuffed toy penguins and Linux t-shirts helped to create an open-source love-in at the council offices, and they got a senior chairwoman to demonstrate the new system to the troops. Male ego stopped anyone claiming that Linux was difficult to use, once they'd seen that the 'weaker sex' could master it :)"

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Learning to use Linux can be difficult (-1, Troll)

GonzoDave (743486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251838)

But Work Makes You Free

Re:Learning to use Linux can be difficult (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251902)

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we sayinTexas, I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on theheel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity.

You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleatingfoal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia andoffal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinkingcalf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts whosired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth.

And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessarymaterial before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidencethat you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will beable to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would thata hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancidset you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothypink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements ofunknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you holdthat you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weightthan that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting forthe bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void.

You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile, one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling, meatslapper. On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod.

Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john.You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. Yougormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. I meanrock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid it goes waybeyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You aretrans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that eventhe neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect canescape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know.

I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Afterthis,you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strengthleftto deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportanttrivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh. The only thing worse thanyour logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote,because, well... it didn't really say anything.

Your attempt at constructing a creative post was pitiful. I mean, really,stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering.

But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world whofind these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your casethen I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

Re:Learning to use Linux can be difficult (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251955)

Asshole!

Re:Learning to use Linux can be difficult (-1, Flamebait)

$lingBlade (249591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252041)

but work makes you free

Yeah, I read the same slogan above a Nazi concentration camp just outside of Berlin.

Apple .... teh gay experiance! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251843)

1. You don't Know any better
If you're ACTUALLY reading this page, looking to be informed as to why you "need" to switch to a Macintosh, chances are you don't know a damn thing about anything - especially computers. That's why you need a Mac, because you just don't know any better! You don't know how to make your PC run, so it's easy and comforting to accept the "fact" that all your problems are Windows related. Heaven forbid you think for two seconds that all of your encounters with BSOD's/viruses/cluttered HD's/etc be the product of OPERATOR ERROR! My dear lord, it can't be!

2. It matches your curtains!
You don't have time to sit and worry about whether or not you're getting screwed, paying more for less power and performance... and why WOULD you worry about something like that? The fact is, you wouldn't, and you won't have too: you'll be too busy mulling over which color iMac will best offset your periwinkle comforter - it's Feng-Shui the Apple way!

3. Switch, or we will rape you with an iPOD!
No, seriously... we'll do it. We've done it many times before, that's how some of us at Apple got to ride the Segway early. You should've SEEN Kaman's surprise. P.S. You will NOT like the fire-wire-reach-around either!

4. Firewire means "Faster Lolitas!"
If you're the kind of computer user that worries about the feds raiding your shit-hole apartment every time you drop off a roll of film at 'The Wal-Mart', then you NEED a Mac. Stop spending time in a sweaty state of paranoia, and start spending it organizing those compromising photos you took during that "work-related" trip to Japan. With iPhoto, all your twelve-year-old-school-uniform-clad-plastic-prop-t entacle-rape porn will be easier to organize than your scant black book!

5. Never worry about "other programs" again.
With PC's, users tend to find themselves overwhelmed and inundated by all the "choices" they have. Which program is 'best' for burning CD's? Which program has the 'features' I want or need when it comes to playing movies/mp3's/my photos? You need not worry your pretty little soul thanks to Apple, as a Mac user, you've got the following programs at your fingertips: iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and iPhoto! Should you want to, say, use a different program for any of the functions, simply utter the following to yourself in reassurance: i-Fucked...

6. Sits on your lap for a couple grand.
It's like a high-class lap dance. For about the same price, your Mac will provide you with more warmth, entertainment, and interactivity than that RealDoll you purchased a while back. Now, instead of sitting in your parents' basement using their PC, you can be using your iBook... in your parents' basement...

7. See all those pretty icons over there?
It's true; all of those icons represent some of the premiere Internet applications. From web browsing, to instant messaging, some of the finest software available on the 'ol WWW even have Mac Versions! Sure they may run a little slower and require gobs of ram if you want to have, say, more than one open at any given time; but they're AQUA THEMED!

8. Office is Office, and then some
You can run Microsoft Office on your Mac. How about that? Leave your current office suite behind... for, umm... OUR Office suite! Yeah, that's the ticket! Beyond Office, you'll find you can run more than 3,000 applications designed specifically for Apple's new operating system, Mac OS X. You can do anything you'd dream of doing on the Mac -- from CAD to databases to finance. Unless of course you want to, oh, I don't know... play a fun game? Or, load a flash website in under an hour... or, put something on a goddamned floppy without a USB device... oh, sorry, tangent police! *cue sirens*

9. Works effortlessly with PCs
Compatibility is important, no doubt, and Apple has not allowed our own foolish pride to overlook certain standards because of this. That's why we've made sure our every Mac is in some way compatible with the most popular computing platform in the world! Now you can be rest assured that when you're making the switch to a Mac you won't be completely left out in the cold by the rest of civilization. Sure they'll point and occasionally snicker when you can't find a decent FTP or Telnet client, but you just remind those types that you "Could if you REALLY wanted to!"

10. It looks like a child's bicycle helmet with a billboard attached to it!!!
Check that shit out! 'Eh? 'EEEHHH? What now bitches? I'd like to see you try that with your PC Mr. Gates! MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Suck on that why don't ya? With a chinstrap I could turn my flat panel into a mobile-money-maker! GENIOUS! SHEAR GENIOUS!!!

We think you owe it to yourself to experience a Macintosh first-hand. Check out the high-performance PowerBook. The ultra-fast Power Mac G4. The oh-so-portable iBook. And the beautiful new iMac. Come see one at an Apple store or one of our resellers soon. You'll find the Mac can answer most of your questions itself... because chances are you are VERY simple minded, and your questions will be like, "Can I get one in fuchsia? I like me some fuchsia!..."

ALL YOUR POST ARE BELONG TO US (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251844)

WAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

"the 'weaker' sex?" (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251846)

Glad to see Germany's just as progressive as it was back in the day. /sarcasm

Theres a name for this.... (5, Funny)

eddiegee (236525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251847)

and it called MARKETING!!!

Re:Theres a name for this.... (5, Insightful)

djeaux (620938) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251906)

Marketing is something Linux needs. Of course, that's the weak point for a lot of open source.

Tux toys & t-shirts sound trivial, but they loosen people up about something that a lot of non-tech types think is "hard". Setting up the "sexist" argument ("Even the women can use this OS") is even appropriate if that's what it takes to make decision-makers come around.

<OFFTOPIC>

Re:Theres a name for this.... (4, Insightful)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252112)

Despite all the claims of 'monopoly' scarcely anyone steps back and REALLY analyzes why open source hasn't taken hold. And the answer inevitably leads to little or no marketing. A good product that no one knows about won't be used.

Re:Theres a name for this.... (0)

trp642 (551059) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251929)

Sometimes the best solution is the least technical. When I walk into the local CompUSA, all I see is Microsft marketing everywhere.

Perhaps if the average Joe saw Tux and cute Linux posters everywhere, you'd see more acceptance.

I think IBM [ibm.com] has the right idea with their new Linux TV ads.

Re:Theres a name for this.... (5, Insightful)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251950)

...and damned good marketing too.

Somehow it leaves me feeling a little uneasy, though. I bet I'd be influenced by the same or similar tactics, even though I've read this article. It leaves my ego a bit worse for the wear to know that I (hell, we!) am so easily swayed by savvy marketing techniques.

Example: even if janet jackson winds up paying fines for her Super Bowl stunt, I'll bet she gets exactly what she intended in terms of sales and publicity. The people she pissed off were never her customers anyway.

Re:Theres a name for this.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252044)

"and they got a senior chairwoman to demonstrate the new system to the troops"

Sex sells. A tight tux [thinkgeek.com] shirt certainly helps.

Re:Theres a name for this.... (3, Interesting)

melstav (174456) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252070)

Damnably effective marketing.

The article spends a fair amount of time talking about how they dealt with their proverbial "sticks in the mud" and talking about a few of the benefits of running linux vs. Windows, and then finishes up with the following paragraph:


Late on Tuesday, Microsoft issued a patch for a vulnerability in its Windows software that could be used to unleash a virus even more devastating than MyDoom. This patch should be installed by anyone running Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP or Windows Server 2003.

Ha ha ha ha ha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251849)

I get to set the agenda. I get to set the topic...

Which one? (2, Interesting)

netglen (253539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251850)

Which distro of linux are they using?

Re:Which one? (0)

Hettch (692387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251914)

I believe that would be GNU/ianDeb stable: 'Peep'

Re:Which one? (0)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251926)

Prolly Souse. You know... Pig Linux.

Re:Which one? (2, Informative)

jester42 (623276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251981)

They are using SuSE according to this press release [suse.com]

Re:Which one? (1)

seriv (698799) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252007)

That would make sense, since SuSE is German. Not like they are going to use Red Flag Linux.

f'ing brilliant! (5, Funny)

JimmytheGeek (180805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251851)

Not that it's a great sales tactic: "You don't need that wimpy ease-of-use"

Gotta keep the spin "Easy enough for *her*, so you can certainly handle it."

Re:f'ing brilliant! (4, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251996)

Linux: Strong enough for a server, GUI balanced for a desktop.

Re:f'ing brilliant! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252035)

but does it have enough power for me, a manly man!

man man - works
man woman - doesn't

wow, just like a guy.

can linux go hunting too?

Re:f'ing brilliant! (1, Redundant)

IWorkForMorons (679120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252050)

I know there's gotta be a "Strong enough for a man..." joke in there somewhere...

Deodorant joke, anyone? (4, Funny)

Shazow (263582) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252093)

New linux slogan!

"Easy enough for a woman, made for a man."

=8-]

- shazow

booth girls (5, Funny)

frankmu (68782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251852)

so we need to send out troops of booth girls with Knoppix in hand to shame the microsofties into submission. they can stop by my office first.

Re:booth girls (3, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251861)

All I can say is for those booth girls is not "Micro" or "Soft" by any means.

More like a HARD DRIVE.

Re:booth girls (5, Funny)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251907)

Although the term "SCSI" comes to mind as well.

Re:booth girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251999)

Which pronounciation? The intended (sexy) or the common (scuzzy).

Re:booth girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252090)

it was sk-zee, not sexy

Re:booth girls (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251874)

Get the right booth-babes and they won't be neither micro nor softies. /Props to Letterman for blatantly stealing his joke.

Re:booth girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251925)

ya maybe if all you /. fags cyber them good, you can sweet talk them into it.

Hmm.... (5, Funny)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251968)

These booth girls... if i'm new to Linux, will they 'mount' my 'hard drive'?
I'd be sure to try switching to Linux then! ;)

Re:booth girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252036)

more like a box of kleenex you mean

Re:booth girls (2, Interesting)

SheldonYoung (25077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252077)

A former company did a rather large booth a COMDEX a few years ago. They planned it a bit late so the more attractive of the Booth Marketting Persons were already obligated to other companies. One of the women was as much fun as a brick in the desert.

The other woman had a great personality and eventually she stopped giving out post cards demonstrating a technical application to victi... potential customers. It was amazing how much more attentive the demonstratee was with her. I don't know if it's because she was a woman, evidence of the friendliness of the application or what, but it stuck.

If you want to convert an entire company to swith to open source in one fell swoop get your secretary to install OpenOffice.

weaker sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251853)

are you talking about geek-kind here or what?

some of us are pretty strong you know.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251854)

FP HA!

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251857)

f i r s t p o s t !

Male ego driving Linux? (4, Funny)

bad enema (745446) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251862)

Where have I seen this before? :)

Re:Male ego driving Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252053)

I didn't know Theo did Linux.

One thing to remember (2, Funny)

sirinek (41507) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251863)

Never underestimate the power of the booth babe. :)

It's the Clinton-era criminals. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251898)

"Dump Bush and the Reagan-era criminals in his administration"

The only problem in the Bush administration is the leftover Clintonazi: the head of the CIA. Guess where the bad WMD info originated.

OT: It's the Clinton-era criminals. (-1, Offtopic)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251972)

This is offtopic

Guess where the bad WMD info originated.

Italian Intelligence delivered the BS yellow cake story.
British Intelligence delivered an 11yo dossier that was plagiarized from a student and updated.
The DoD stove-piped their own intelligence based off statements from ex-patriated Iraqis who had not lived in Iraq for years.

The CIA warned that these were all shoddy and suspect, so Cheney met with them daily for months in order to make them "see the light.

Reverse psychology... (4, Insightful)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251866)

This is hardly new... all it has ever taken to get a guy to do something is say something like "oh, if it's too heavy for you I can ask someone else"

'cept for those of us who learned the game and call the bluff with "sure, go right ahead"

Re:Reverse psychology... (2, Funny)

haystor (102186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252061)

I went back to college after taking a few years off. I was amazed at the number of women using men they didn't even know to move their furniture. Women that would otherwise not have anything to do with these guys would just smile and ask, and it would be done.

They were a bit miffed when I told them no.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251867)

PPPost

sheila fraser audited my junk liberally. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251871)

sheila fraser audited my junk liberally. she strapped me onto parliament hill and she couldnt keep her offensive accountants off of me. she was performing many red ink calculations. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told her the New Conservative Party would not approve of an Auditor-General disgracing an elderly Prime Minister for free.
can you believe it? sheila fraser did all this. she picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down on parliament hill, and just wouldn't stop auditing my dealings.
they definately were red ink markings. the goddamn accountant she had in the back seat kept on marking up his pad every time she audited my dealings but did sheila fraser care? NO WAY! she just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with sheila fraser but to no avail. i told her the New Conservative Party would not approve of an Auditor-General disgracing an elderly Prime Minister (at the time I was 65) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as her own political plaything.
this got to her, worrying about her image. she continued to audit me, all the while ignoring the accountant's red marks. then she drove the frasermobile to my house and ejected the seat i was in! it was amazing. but surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it!!! Can you believe it??????????
It doesn't help that I've been Prime Minister for two weeks. I can barely tolerate Sheila Copps in the House of Commons. If Fraser catches me with unauthorized contracts, she'll make me drop trau in front of the Speaker of the House.
There it is. They just found my $1.1b airbus contract. I've got to go.

Re:sheila fraser audited my junk liberally. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251921)

hmm, mildly funny - but mostly stupid

WHAT?!?!? (4, Funny)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251872)

You mean you converted a group of people to Linux without shouting things like "RTFM!!!"???

Maybe we should rethink our strategies...

Re:WHAT?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252025)

ROFLMAO ...... AMEN!!!!!!!

Re:WHAT?!?!? (1)

Martigan80 (305400) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252026)

Well some people have tried selling linux gear with modles in the pictures...but it's not the same as having a nice looking woman at in installfest showing you how to install your software onto a hard drive. Any how smart women are sexy.

Re:WHAT?!?!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252106)

Yeah. Like RTFA

DEUTSCHES REICH!!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251875)

We must kill all slavs and reconquer Eastern Germany! The slavic hordes must be driven all the way to the Pacific Ocean!!!!!!!!!!!!

And so it goes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251878)

Toy penguins and males egos drove the agricultural revolution. Just another victory for the testosterone-fueled-penguin progress that's going to get us to Mars!

Commercialism? (4, Insightful)

MoebiusStreet (709659) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251879)

This sounds suspiciously like how the world of commercial software works :o

The first rule of marketing... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251887)

...is to know your audience. Seems like the folks that put this together did.

Geek girl? (5, Funny)

kefoo (254567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251889)

A woman who uses Linux? I'm in love.

Re:Geek girl? (1)

gimpimp (218741) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252040)

dont be in love man! there's loads of girls who use linux on tribe.net and orkut - but they're ugly as sin. /joke ;)

Re:Geek girl? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252101)

Get used to a woman who's only skin pigment comes from the slight ultraviolet radiation coming from a CRT.

Hope you like the big life too.

It's brilliant (5, Insightful)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251890)

To rework a famous old saying, no-one ever went broke overestimating the impact of appealing to the male ego.

That's brilliant marketing to use a female rep to demo a product to a bunch of men.

A lot of companies would do well to follow that example, I think.

Women love Linux too :) (5, Interesting)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251891)

http://www.nccomp.com/images/linux-girl.jpg
pic [nccomp.com]

Re:Women love Linux too :) (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252009)

The whole series [tuxje.nl]

Re:Women love Linux too :) (1)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252071)

Now why couldn't I have met any of those obviously linux-loving women *before* I settled on marrying the slut from the poolhall?

Re:Women love Linux too :) (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252091)

Which package does *she* come in???

rpm -ivh hotbabe.rpm

Toys Don't Make Linux Work (2, Insightful)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251897)

The toys made it fun, but the coders made it work. I think marketing droids are also to blame for overhyping linux to some extent during the dot com boom and causing a lot of companies who had good products to die young because they thought they were bigger than life.

Re:Toys Don't Make Linux Work (1, Insightful)

cyberjoek (675635) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251933)

If they toys bring in the profit to pay the coders then the toys make it work :-). The "marketing droids" you refer to that caused the dot com boom/bust cycle weren't the only force. The notion that you could sell everything at a loss and make it up in volume was the other major problem. (also that losing money was some how profitable...) -Joe Kavanagh

but how will this help them kill Jews? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251903)

That's what really sells in Germany.

Re:but how will this help them kill Jews? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252076)

It makes sense to have open source powered furnaces and gas chambers, doesn't it?

XBox rules!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251911)

first post!!! you lame assholes... I can post first because my XBox is a american product and my pride in my great country and my great XBox accelerate everything...

If only they would make games for that bitch... IAve played Metroid Prime and it ruled... I hope M$ will buy those japanese bastards and port Metroid to my great american console system!!!

Teddy Penguins (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251915)

So all we have to do is replace the teddybear with the teddy penguin and the world will be ours!

too easy now? (1)

maliabu (665176) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251916)

would it create a side-effect where male with even higher ego thinks Linux is less challenging now that even booth girls can use it?

They forgot to mention... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251917)

...that these penguins were stuffed with narcotics.

Old habits die hard... (5, Insightful)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251922)

And people wonder where sexism in technology comes from.

Using it to your advantage is not the same thing as working to eliminate it.

Re:Old habits die hard... (3, Insightful)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252109)

This is hardly a technology issue. Human beings are social in nature and therefore we all experience social pressures. It's a fact of being alive. To ignore the fact that women and men are different is assine.

Using marketing is only natural. It works, and it works very well is all aspects of life, not just technology.

I hate male ego (5, Insightful)

31415926535897 (702314) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251923)

I should probably submit this anonymously*, but what the heck.

I don't know if it is in our genes, or if it's a product of our environment, but male ego resulting from male dominance even affects me a ton.

I was running on a treadmill earlier this week, and there was a girl who was running on one next to me at the same time, at roughly the same speed. There was _no_ way I was going to let myself stop before she did--because she was a girl. And I recognized this as I was running.

Seems kind of silly, I know, but that's what was in my head.

*I've heard that posting anonymously at slashdot isn't really, so what's the difference?

Re:I hate male ego (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8251967)

I've heard that posting anonymously at slashdot isn't really, so what's the difference?

With a 14 digit id, it doesn't.

Re:I hate male ego (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252042)

Well, some of us were capable of figuring out that he's really Pi.

Re:I hate male ego (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252038)

Uh, so? Don't leave us hanging.. did you out run her?

have some fun! (4, Insightful)

23 (68042) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252097)

so what's the problem? Dude, don't take yourself so seriously! :-)

when I'm out running along a well used path in my town, there is no fucking way I can live with a woman running infront of me. At times this put me close to a heart-attack. But I have all the more fun because this kind of stuff. Same thing, when I try to overtake someone who is barely slower than me. heh.

Man, this is oart of the fun of life! As long as you realize, that your life does not depend on being cooler/stronger/faster/whatever I consider it good-natured fun. After all, where would be in technology without some good ol' testosterone-driven competition?

plus, women have some fun --uhm, let's call them characteristics to laugh about

ID should be 31415926535898 (1)

hcg50a (690062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252111)

Hey, I like your user id!

But you rounded the last digit wrong.

The value is

3.14159265358979...

so, rounding to 13 decimal digits (after the decimal point) and removing the decimal would yield 31415926535898

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If marketing fails... (0, Troll)

darth_silliarse (681945) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251953)

...the German authorities could always do what the Americans do best - the "USA vs Everyone" stance. A "SuSE vs Microsoft" stance would help seeing as SuSE is a Germany based distro

lusers move in herds. (-1)

johnny_4_president (635478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251957)

how lucky are these people, to have someone actually demonstrate using linux for them. correct me if i'm wrong, but most linux fans are self-starters, willing to spend the time alone in their rooms, banging away at their computers. social interaction picks up where solitary geekyness ends. the fact that the linux community has a reputation (perhaps unearned) for being an clique, does not help extend use to the masses. linux geeks work alone or in small groups, lusers move in herds.

So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! (2, Interesting)

Serapth (643581) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251973)

I cant imagine this being a very successful company, when they have to use bribes and sex to encourage the employees to use a tool you've mandated.

Hell, this is kinda like McDonalds deciding to use a different type of cash register, then having someone attractive go by and give each McWage Slave a free friggin teddy bear, in order to get them to use the new machine.

How about this approach... "Use the damned software!". Really, I dont know why people seem to think they should have complete freedom on a computer at work. The company owns the machine, and the company chooses the software... so long as the company involved the proper employees in evaluating which is the best software(s) to use... thats it, end of story. Employees really shouldnt have a choice one way or another.

So instead, you get this boneheaded company in germany, that is now going to have a number of mail employee's that have no clue how to use the software, and thus loose productivity, because there ego refuses to let them be beat by a girl?!?!

Besides that point... does male ego really apply that much to intellectual persuits? I mean, do most people think men are better then women at using a computer because of genetics? I doubt the number is high. Now, those hard to open jar lids... yeah, ego still applies there.

Re:So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! (0, Flamebait)

Serapth (643581) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252029)

LOL, I love how disagreeing == flame baiting on slashdot... ;)

OH YEAH ... RIGHT, JOHN. SURE. (-1, Offtopic)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251974)

So yesterday the White House releases payroll records from Bush's service in the National Guard. The documents show that Bush did show up for his military service in the National Guard. The documents show that he completed his military obligation. So ...what does John Kerry say? Well, he wouldn't comment. He said "It's not an issue that I've chosen to create." Is that so, Mr. Kerry? Let's see ... just what was it you were saying in front of the cameras on Sunday? I think it went something like "The issue here .. is was he present and active on duty in Alabama at the times he was supposed to be? And just because you get an honorable discharge does not, in fact, answer that question."

Let's review. On Sunday Kerry says "The issue here is was he present and active on duty in Alabama at the times he was supposed to be?: On Tuesday, after the records are released, Kerry says "It's not an issue that I've chosen to create." I don't know who actually created this issue, maybe that slug Michael Moore ... but it we know who pushed it for all it was worth for the last week. Now he's saying "Hey, don't look at me! I didn't start this thing."

Logic only a liberal could love.

Re:OH YEAH ... RIGHT, JOHN. SURE. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252032)

Troll.

So why can they not find anyone who remembers serving with Mr. Bush?

If BSD weren't dying... (4, Interesting)

gUmbi (95629) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251977)

If BSD weren't dying it'd be presented by this chick [toadstool.se]

The Perception is the Reality (5, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251983)

Oddly enough, I recently saw this in Doctorow's "East Coast Tribe", but this was something I learned when I first worked in an IT department.

It doesn't matter if your systems are uber-fast. It doesn't matter if they have a low error rate. It doesn't matter if they are made to be user friendly.

If the users of those systems perceive they are slow, inefficient, hard to use, great, best machines ever - whatever they percieve, that is the reality.

So a good IT staff does two things:

1. Work on their C. I. A. pieces.
2. Work to help the users percieve their systems as being C. I. A. good.

Let's face it - this is why Microsoft is on 90-odd% of all desktop systems out there: people percieve their systems as working, as easy to use, and that everything else is inferior whether that is true or not.

Once you convince them that a Linux or Mac desktop works just as well - if not faster and more securely - on their desk as a Windows box, and that they can use the same kinds of applications, you're set.

I've had IT guys whom I respect greatly tell me they'd love to switch to "OS X", but don't want to because they fear the "learning curve". It's not a "noobie" issue at all - perception clouds everything.

And Brauner made the right calls. To those who had problems, he showed them how it was easy. To those who thought he was being mean, he displayed himself as a "fun guy" with shirts and toys. To those who thought the system was "hard" he showed a secretary doing her job with ease - the person that all my programming teachers taught me to program interface for, since "if a secretary can run it, anybody can".

Excellent work on his part for recognizing that the human element is as important as the technical one at times.

Re:The Perception is the Reality (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252096)

Actually, you write your interface for the secretary because if the secretary can't do it, it won't get done.

Gay. (-1, Offtopic)

Apiakun (589521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251987)

Penguins are gay [sfgate.com] .

Yeah! (1)

pookguy (62245) | more than 10 years ago | (#8251991)

Nice story and a big win for Linux.

golden (1)

golgotha007 (62687) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252004)

i have either purchased or picked up lots of stuffed penguins large and small, but my favorite one of all is this one. [gmconsult.com]

sorry Joe Barr and Mike Tiemann, maybe next time :)

Penguin Bashing (-1, Offtopic)

q-the-impaler (708563) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252008)

In other news...

Germans were found batting stuffed penguins for distance while wearing yeti suits with big clubs [triiinity.com] .

Women can use Linux now? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252021)

That's it, I'll switch to hurd.

A push in the right direction? (1)

Cel Shady (747345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252022)

It'll be interesting to see how this migration affects the Linux world. In theory, this should help speed up fixing certain usability issues, and it will certainly help push compatibility between MS Office and open source office applications.

New marketing tagline (2, Funny)

denofslack (537114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252074)

Obviously a joke, but is the new line for marketing Linux in the mainstream going to be: Linux -- so easy to use, even a woman can do it! Or better yet: If it's your hardware, ask your teenager for support. If it's your OS, as your wife.

But consider this ... (4, Insightful)

psycho_tinman (313601) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252075)

I can just see the marketing people on the other side *cough* those convicted monopolists, remember them ? the guys who claim the GPL should be stamped out ? *cough* making hay with this.. ?

"Ooh, we don't manipulate you", they'll coo. "We just give you a product that you know and is easy to use". And heck, if that doesn't work, they'll just add a whopping discount on top of it to seal the bargain.

Maybe I'm just egotistic myself, but if I heard that I had been manipulated into something I wasn't sure about, and if I heard about it later on (with a "ha ha ha. owned!" comment, to boot), I'd be quite wary of the next thing that particular guy tried to foist on me.

Which brings me to the question.. does OSS really need marketshare like this ? It's just me, probably, but I'd prefer people make an informed choice rather than go "hey, why don't we use this because we don't want to be outdone/look foolish". If you can convince people to install it that easily, they'll just as easily be swayed by the next marketing gimmick, and which side (OSS or the other guys) have more marketing muscle ?

So, what are geeks supposed to run now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252117)

(Now, that even "chick's" can run it,... wbahhh, just joking, of course,..)

Ok, this is what we all (ok, a lot of us,... ok, me,...) have been waiting for,... and it's great! but now that it's happening, (Linux domination) what OS are geeks supposed to use now?
Now that everyone is using it linux will be 'uncool' and 'ungeeky', does that mean that geeks will all the sudden be embraced as cool and poineering,.... yeah i doubt it too, so what OS are we supposed to use now?

It's like U2 was great up to WAR (2nd album) then everybody started liking them and made them 'uncool',... so i had to find a new band,...

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