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GoldenEye Hackers Find Hidden FPS Level

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the gaming-archaeology dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 81

Thanks to Spong for its news story revealing cart hackers have found a secret test level in classic N64 first-person shooter GoldenEye, more than 6 years after the seminal FPS was released. The developers, Rare, had previously claimed that the secret level, Citadel, "...was a very rough test level designed during the early stages of multiplayer mode. It's not in the finished game in any shape or form." However, although "rough and loosely textured", the Detstar GoldenEye Project has found the level hidden in the production version of the game, and notes that "it's possible to visit this rumored arena with Gameshark codes."

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Goldeneye Hackers Calculate 10000 digits of pi (-1)

users.pl (689022) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252309)

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Holy crap (3, Interesting)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252317)

I wonder if it's on my ROM, too... gah! Don't look at me like that, I can't go two hundred miles just to get back to my N64!

Re:Holy crap (1)

Echnin (607099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252355)

Of course it is. And your emu might even support GS codes, so go ahead and test it. And please tell us about it. :-)

Re:Holy crap (5, Informative)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252792)

I just tried to get it working emulated for an hour now in both 1964 and Project64 and recieved no success. I'm going to bring up this topic on emutalk.net and see if there the details can be weeded out.

Re:Holy crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8253510)

Get a backup unit and this [sf.net]

Re:Holy crap (1)

aitsuda (633462) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257204)

Works for my in Project64 v1.5 to an extent; once you reset with the cheat selected and select the first level (Dam) the test level will load instead. Bond doesn't seem to be able to move away from ground level, however.

Re:Holy crap (1)

aitsuda (633462) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257219)

> Bond doesn't seem to be able to move away from ground level, however. Ah, as mentioned in the article - he's in "walk through walls" mode. Ahem.

I wonder (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252344)

Does this violate the DMCA? I don't want to get arrested for trying this...

Re:I wonder (3, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253081)

Oh please, this has nothing to do whatsoever with circumvention of any technology protecting copyrights. Take off your tinfoil hat.

Since this is slashdot, however, I can just see someone replying to this post:
"Maybe it does violate the DMCA, but I'm gonna fight the MAN by cheating in a video game! It's the moral thing to do!"

It'd be modded a mixture of funny and insightful.

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8256767)

Well, this level would be copyrighted. Just pray it isn't encrypted in ANY way.

Re:I wonder (4, Funny)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254333)

Does this violate the DMCA? I don't want to get arrested for trying this...

Maybe it does violate the DMCA, but I'm gonna fight the MAN by cheating in a video game! It's the moral thing to do!

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8255495)

Moderators rule.

Pussy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252376)

Pussy. Pussy Galore.

(Don't know why, I just love to save that in a mushy Scottish brogue)

Drat !! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252379)

And i thought i had completed the game ....

Looks like Perfect Dark (5, Insightful)

mmcdouga (459816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252569)

Judging by the screenshots, it looks like a primitive version of some of the multiplayer levels in the sorta sequel Perfect Dark.

Michael

Re:Looks like Perfect Dark (2, Interesting)

hambonewilkins (739531) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252843)

Agreed, it does like the "villa" multi-player level from Perfect Dark a little bit. I do find it weird that in the tight confines of an N64 cartridge they would have left in this unused level. Apparently, however, they thought they had removed it, according to quotes on that page. So, how does a whole level (albeit incomplete) slip through? I understand it's not loadable and is missing huge chunks but its still there. It reminds me of the hidden military secrets from the film "Cloak and Dagger"...

Re:Looks like Perfect Dark (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8254221)

Rare always denies/denied everything. They never refuse to comment, they just deny. They denied that there were push-button cheat codes in Goldeneye, too, but they were lying. I lost a little bit of respect for them when those codes were finally revealed. I lost the rest of it not too much later.

Re:Looks like Perfect Dark (5, Insightful)

Quay42 (444528) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254361)

What a PR person is aware of and what is fact can be two very different things. You're assuming that:
a) They actually asked the developers (rather than just giving an answer and
b) They asked the *right* developer(s)
c) The developers answered them honestly.

--Josh

Re:Looks like Perfect Dark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8254639)

I'm taking this from their own community feedback features on their own website. I haven't been there in a long time (not since they changed the layout to force the content into an 800X600 space, making it a PITA to read), but back then Leigh Loveday ran the website and answered emails personally, often quoting developers directly. So it falls apart at your choice c. The developers did not answer the question honestly.

bad website (2, Interesting)

capoccia (312092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252632)

either slashdotting or poorly written asp. either way, all i get from the link [spong.com] is:
Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03ee'

Expected ')'

/ncld/styleGuide.inc, line 98

inStr( hostIPs, ", 82.43.116.78" ) > 0 _
^

Re:bad website (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8252683)

Dude I think you just violated the DCMA

Re:bad website (1)

sbma44 (694130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253421)

more likely both: looks to me like a hastily written filter to prevent slashdotting

Re:bad website (3, Funny)

capoccia (312092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253566)

more likely both: looks to me like a hastily written filter to prevent slashdotting

actually, the whole site [spong.com] returns the same error:
Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03ee'

Expected ')'

/ncld/styleGuide.inc, line 98

inStr( hostIPs, ", 82.43.116.78" ) > 0 _
^
It looks like the real problem [microsoft.com] is that they are behind on their service packs for Site Server 3.0.
CAUSE

When Rule Builder builds the rules file, it misconfigures the parenthesis in the condition.

RESOLUTION
To resolve this problem, apply the latest Site Server 3.0 service pack.

STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Site Server version 3.0. This problem has been corrected in the latest U.S. service pack for Microsoft Site Server version 3.0. For information on obtaining the service pack, query on the following word in the Microsoft Knowledge Base (without the spaces):

S E R V P A C K


(that last line is great! -- even microsoft is into the latest technology in server load reduction!)

Re:bad website (1)

zero_offset (200586) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257340)

(that last line is great! -- even microsoft is into the latest technology in server load reduction!)

It's actually to prevent that KB article from being indexed under "SERVPACK". But thanks for trolling.

Re:bad website (2, Interesting)

sabNetwork (416076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253758)

Man, what stupid developers. Look at the included file that the error reported. It's world-readable. And it has some pretty revealing information about how their "security" system works.

I'm not going to post specific details, but anyone with more than 30 seconds on their hands can figure it out.
--

Re:bad website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8253808)

Set UserAdmin access privilege

and

Set Root access privilege

is the best bit though...

Re:bad website (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8253870)

Indeed.

Copy of IIS & Site Server - $200 on Ebay
Server - $100/month
Post of the homepage of /. - $50 backhander to CmdrTaco
Having your source code & security info linked to on the slashdot homepage - Priceless

FPL (5, Funny)

thegrue76 (211065) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252761)

They then went on to discover the secret level of that hot new First Person Live game. Known as "the outdoors," it was accessed by passing through a heretofore undiscovered "doorway"...

Re:FPL (5, Funny)

jspoon (585173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254407)

"They then went on to discover the secret level of that hot new First Person Live game. Known as "the outdoors," it was accessed by passing through a heretofore undiscovered "doorway"..."


I tried playing this level after I read the article, but I don't think it's finished. I couldn't find any weapons at all, nor any ammo for the shotgun I took along. Once I ran out of shells, there was nothing to do.

Re:FPL (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8256780)

You don't need ammo to have fun in "The Outdoors". Try going into town and looking for the NPC called "the bank teller", then point your shotgun at them and input the cheat code "give me all the money". That triggers a pretty good action scene.

Who Cares? (-1, Troll)

devilsadvoc8 (548238) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252829)

This level was never finished, doesn't work, and looks like crap. Please tell me where the interest lies?

Re:Who Cares? (3, Insightful)

The_Listener_1985 (693234) | more than 10 years ago | (#8252907)

The interest is entirly in the hunt. It's like hunting in real life. it's not about the meat, it's about the experiance.

Re:Who Cares? (2, Funny)

bugnuts (94678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8260496)

It's like hunting in real life. it's not about the meat, it's about the experiance.

funny, I thought it was about the beer.

There's nothing cooler (4, Interesting)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253007)

than finding some uber-secret in an old videogame. I often wonder why we don't see more developers putting uber-secrets in their games...the search for stuff can keep people interested in a game for years. Look at that little room in echo base in Shadows of the Empire...I must've spent days running around, looking for some kind of clue as to how to get up there...

Re:There's nothing cooler (3, Funny)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253193)

I often wonder why we don't see more developers putting uber-secrets in their games...
Perhaps they're there but simply haven't been found yet in other games...

Re:There's nothing cooler (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8254305)

Use the debug cheat in Shadows of the Empire to give yourself the jetpack in that level. There's nothing in that room, though. It's just there so it looks like there's a control room over the hangar most likely. You can do a lot of crazy stuff with that code, like fly over the mountains in the Battle of Hoth, or take out AT-ATs Sun Crusher style (Jedi Academy reference for the fans there).

The Rogue Squadron games tend to have well hidden stuff in them. The original Rogue Squadron for N64 had the Naboo Starfighter in it. The ship had never been seen before when the game was released, and it stayed hidden until The Phantom Menace was released (or thereabouts). Then the two-part code was unleashed and fanboys like me played through the game again using it. It was cool. :)

Rogue Leader had some well-kept secret codes, too. The Buick, for example, which was an unlockable vehicle in the first game (with a passcode), was said to only exist in Rogue Leader as a piece of debris in the Ison Corridor level. Well, fairly recently a code was discovered that replaced one of the A-Wings with the Buick. Very cool.

I'm looking forward to the treats in Rebel Strike that will probably become public knowledge sometime next year. Maybe you can replace Luke or Han in the on-foot missions with members of the staff or something. I'm sure the Buick is in there somewhere, too.

Re:There's nothing cooler (1)

MasterMnd (95596) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254392)

But if your still searching for hidden levels in old games then your not buying new games.

Isn't it in their best interest to buy games that hook you long enough so you buy it, but not much longer so you'll go buy the next one soon after?

OT VideoGame Secrets! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8257124)

...for the serious geek that delights in these sorts of novelties: If you haven't already, grab a copy of MetEdit. (It's a decent Metroid{NES} editor. Zophar's Domain [zophar.net] should have it.) Read through the guy's help/faq file or just look at the map... There are actually some rooms in the game that you can't get to! (I think the devs forgot to add connecting hallways and later forgot about the rooms altogether?) It's seriously such a strange thing to discover like 15 years later! The author also solves a few other mysteries, like the wacky alternate worlds you can get to using that wacky up & down door method.

Re:OT VideoGame Secrets! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8261041)

The "hidden rooms" in Metroid were actually not rooms at all, but other things stored on the cartridge. Due to the way they stored data, you could wander into, for example, a music file, and the game engine would actually interpret that data as part of the map and draw it on the screen. It's been a while since I read about it, so the details are kind of fuzzy, but that's the general idea.

Re:There's nothing cooler (1)

GerritHoll (70088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257358)

Someone (or actually, someone's little brother [tripod.com] ) found the 'impossible bullet trick' in Commander Keen 6, more than 10 years after release (december 2001):

When falling, keen can shoot down. Sometimes, when you shoot carefully, keen will surf down on his bullet. When he hits the ground, he will actually land on his bullet, thus standing in the air. When "standing on a bullet", keen can shoot up and, voila! Keen flies into the air. No cheating involved!

How wonderful that for such a popular game, it took 10 years before somebody's little brother found it out and the information made it way to the internet...!

Here's one for Pilot Wings 64... (1)

SmackCrackandPot (641205) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257603)

If you're playing the level where you have to use the Jumblehopper to travel cross country, you can actually jump over the mountain tops, over the volcano lake, and down into the underground cavern. The neatest thing was that you could actually bounce out of the cavern, stand on the ocean and see the entire cavern system. (You have to choose a specific point on the mountain tops - somewhere to the left, otherwise you'll never make it across).

I also tried to see if it was possible to use the rocket pack to bounce the large balloon into the cavern. Unfortunately, every time I tried, the balloon would start to rapidly bounce around in a confined space, before shooting upwards into space (I think it reached escape velocity, and I could never find it again!).

Re:There's nothing cooler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8264198)

Does it HAVE to be uber? Why uber? Are you german or something?

That's uber-cool.
Oh man you're an uber-geek.
That level is like, uber-secret.
You're an uber-idiot.

uber is an awesome word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8266878)

There's really cool....there's super cool...there's insanely cool...and then there's UBER-COOL. Uber is just the ultimate superlative.

Other hidden levels from Rare? (5, Interesting)

CyberVenom (697959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253064)

I played Diddy King Racing by Rare when it came out and finished all the levels I could find. (all the areas, plus space, plus everything again in mirror.)
During the ending credits it lists the best times from the guys at Rare on each of the tracks, so in time-trial mode, I wenth through and beat EVERY SINGLE ONE in the hopes that I would unlock an ubersecret.
Well, nothing new unlocked. But on the track select screen something that has always caught my eye my is that at the bottom-right, there is space for one more track, and if you move the view around fast enough close to it, you can see the corner of a frame around what appears to be another level. I always wondered if maybe there was a secret there. I never saw any mention of it online though.
Maybe GoldenEye wasn't the only Rare game with an ubersecret?

-CyberVenom

Re:Other hidden levels from Rare? (1)

CyberVenom (697959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253094)

oops. I didn't even see the typo till I posted... "Diddy Kong Racing"

Re:Other hidden levels from Rare? (1)

ksiddique (749168) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253343)

At least your typo wasn't "Dildo Kong Racing"!

Re:Other hidden levels from Rare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8258990)

Or even worse, dildo dong racing!

Re:Other hidden levels from Rare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8271109)

Or even worse, ... uh... ah, never mind.

back in my cheating days... (5, Interesting)

ooby (729259) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253823)

I was trying to crack the passwords on Rock 'n Roll racing. I was unable to start myself off with loads o' cash, but I did figure out what password locations defined the characters. I was able to then start with Olaf (before I found out there was an easier way). I also uncovered a viable password that gave you an unidentified character. Its face was the shadow of the planet's boss, and when the announcer ever said anything about me (i.e. Olaf light's him up), it just skipped the name. I'm not quite sure what this bug-character's attributes were. The major downfall with this discovery was that all of my friends were buying Playstations because the price had dropped to $200.

Re:Other hidden levels from Rare? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8271155)

Good grief, how unbelievably wealthy we are in the U.S. You're spending hours playing videos games and searching for secret levels, while millions of people all over the world are spending hours worrying about how to freakin survive.

It would be nice if you spent the cost of your next videogame on making someone else's miserable life a little easier.

XBox rules!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8253149)

first post!!! you lame assholes... I can post first because my XBox is a american product and my pride in my great country and my great XBox accelerate everything...

If only they would make games for that bitch... IAve played Metroid Prime and it ruled... I hope M$ will buy those japanese bastards and port Metroid to my great american console system!!!

not surprising... (1, Offtopic)

oskillator (670034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253329)

... considering that they lied about there being no push-button cheat codes in Goldeneye (and get mad when you don't believe them when they tell you there are no push-button cheat codes in Perfect Dark).

Re:not surprising... (2, Interesting)

hambonewilkins (739531) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253488)

After looking around it seems as though after someone cracked Goldeneye and found the push button codes they removed them from Perfect Dark. To this day, no one has found the push-button codes for Perfect Dark so it may be safe to assume they aren't there.

Re:not surprising... (2, Insightful)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254612)

Yes...and that's what we thought about the Goldeneye codes. What year were those found in? 2000? 2001?

And in Banjo-Kazooie for the N64 - anyone else remember the day that we FINALLY learned how to get the eggs? Sure, they might not have done very much, but they were in the game...

Let's not give up just yet...I've got a feeling that the codes are, in fact, in the game somewhere. It's just too bad that it'll take another five years to find them. :)

Re:not surprising... (1)

SamSim (630795) | more than 10 years ago | (#8256988)

I'm going to keep saying this until everyone in the world knows. Rare NEVER explicitly stated that there were no push-button cheat codes in GoldenEye. Actually, they released one of them voluntarily - the extra characters in multiplayer code - and that was enough to allow someone to reverse-engineer a whole slew of other ones. These had been used by Rare for debugging purposes and Rare had - perfectly reasonably - assumed that nobody would ever find them, and so not bothered to remove them.

When it became clear that the game-hacking public was smarter than they'd anticipated, Rare wised up. Though PD doubtless originally contained similar codes, they were removed before the game's release because they wanted people to play the game properly.

Rareware themselves said it best on one of their letters pages (which was removed from the site [rareware.com] when they moved to Microsoft):

Look. We've told you that there are no push-button codes in PD. If there were, and we wanted to keep them quiet, we wouldn't address the issue at all. We wouldn't lie about it to your faces. Despite what you seem to think, we didn't do that with GoldenEye (the GE push-button codes were only ever intended for Testing purposes and were hacked, not officially released, at a later stage), and we've no intention of doing it now.

And on another occasion:

There. Are. No. Push. But. Ton. Codes. For. Per. Fect. Dark.

this is interesting (1, Interesting)

sbma44 (694130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253484)

But it brings back my conflicted position on Goldeneye. On the one hand, it introduced a lot of my friends to the FPS genre, and I'm glad I can play games against them now.

On the other hand, it's one of the worst multiplayer FPS's ever made. Unbearably slow, with ugly, undifferentiated levels, unbalanced weapons and impossible-to-see powerups, it was a miserable pain to play after having played quake 1 or even doom deathmatch. Try as I might I couldn't get my roommates in college to put down the N64 controller and play a real FPS.

In general, deathmatch in any FPS is incredibly fun -- so I guess to the uninitiated, deathmatch in 007 seemed like the greatest thing ever. I just wish I could've convinced them that it could be even better.

Re:this is interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8253677)

You're just a retard. Your parents didn't want to be the ones to break it to you.

Re:this is interesting (1)

hambonewilkins (739531) | more than 10 years ago | (#8253731)

I really liked Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. I think they were really the first console FPSs that you could sit around and play with friends on the same screen. Many an hour was wasted shooting eachother in Perfect Dark. In fact, I still prefer it to many other FPS games - the first player game was great and the multi-player is a great party game. But, to each his own I guess.

Re:this is interesting (1)

inkless1 (1269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254034)

No offense, but that's insanely near sighted. You are leaving out the multiple weapon types and game types that for the time where insanely great - especially for a console FPS at the time (not to mention a license game). In many ways a far more varied and accesible game than DooM and Q1 ever were.

And for SP, Goldeneye cranked up what the concept of mission based FPS was for the entire genre - mixing story, mission based goals and difficulty levels in new ways (and in some ways - rarely done since).

Re:this is interesting (2, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8254239)

>> In many ways a far more varied and accesible game than DooM and Q1 ever were.

Yet it pales in comparison to the likes of System Shock or Marathon.

Still, GoldenEye was a fairly good game, except it was all but ruined by badly flawed technological execution. 15 frames per second doesn't cut it, and the N64 fuzzy haze was terrible.

get a grip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8254983)

For single player??

System Shock? You could make a respectable (but wrong) case...

Marathon? Geeze, it was fun at the time, but no way measures up in the long run..

Goldeneye is far far from perfect, but it has moments where it is so good that heaven is in sight...

Re:this is interesting (1)

inkless1 (1269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257733)

Well, I was comparing GE MP to say DooM MP, not to System Shock SP.

As for it's badly flawed tech - I agree with the AC. I don't know what was wrong with your version, my cart had enough tech execution to last hours and hours of plays, mostly 4 player deathmatch.

Re:this is interesting (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8262241)

Please. Especially multiplayer, the frame rate was abysmal. I guess when one plays PC games, their standards aren't quite so low.

Re:this is interesting (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8255384)

And for SP, Goldeneye cranked up what the concept of mission based FPS was for the entire genre - mixing story, mission based goals and difficulty levels in new ways (and in some ways - rarely done since).

Well thats not a fair statement at all. Goldeneye was based off the movie so they pretty much had the groundwork laid out for them (characters, plot, environments, some of the weapons, gadgets etc). This was probably the first opportunity a game developer had the opportunity (a real one, unlike Atari's E.T. and far better then many of the Star Wars games) to use an existing movie license.

Mixing story was a cinch and mission based goals were either straight from the movie or outright silly (hack into the enemy's computer from on top of a dam? I'm going inside the enemy base in the next level, why not do it there? And what was with all those document hunting objectives?). Difficulty levels were the same as they were done in the past; stronger enemies, take more damage, and a little bit more "find/destroy X item". Hardly groundbreaking especially considering the poor AI of Natalia who only becomes useful when you cheat and give her the Cougar Magnum to defend herself with (and shoot unseenen enemies through bushes).

Re:this is interesting (1)

inkless1 (1269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257715)

Um no. How can you sit there and say that it was the first time anyone could use a movie license and then point out the Star Wars games - made by Lucasfilm itself? Most movie licenses now, then and probably forever, make poor use of the "groundwork laid out for them".

As for the missions being "outright silly", it's still a far cry better than 90% of FPS to follow - which stuck to the run and gun, flip a switch method ... and games that did introduce some kind of "mission" generally didn't stray far from the "collect 3 hostages" formula.

Goldeneye wasn't a revolutionary FPS, but it had design elements which influenced games to come (it's design team is what has made TimeSplitters a critical success), making strong use of it's license at the same time. Heck, most Bond games to follow were a lesser experience.

You're insane (4, Interesting)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8256539)

Let me preface this by saying that I am an avid FPSer and I have played Quake 1, UT (the original) and QIII very extensively, and more recently Counter Strike, MOHAA and similar on-line games. I spend a lot of time playing QIII on a LAN.

Let me also say that Goldeneye is, along with Quake III, the game I have had the most fun playing in a multiplayer FPS environment. With all due respect I must suggest that if you felt that it wasn't a serious FPS, it may have been due to the company you kept. I played Goldeneye obsessively for about 4 years with three other guys who were all big FPS players too. We knew every nook, every cranny, every angle to bounce a grenade, the sound of every door, the likelihood of scoring a kill with every weapon. It became too impossibly tense to play with just two people, because we were all within such a narrow band of skill and knowledge that the score would invariably end up at 9-10 or in many cases 10-10 in deathmatches. We played so many tense games with prox mines, so many crazy grenade launcher shootouts, so many RCP-90 bullet-fests that it's actually kinda disturbing.

Granted, the single player levels were at times completely impossibly hard. Granted, some of the multiplayer levels weren't great. Granted, the graphics are poor by PC standards. But some of the levels were simply glorious - stack, archives, temple, facility - wonderful, wonderful levels with just the right distribution of weapons and spawn points. In a level like the stack, the simple graphics were actually important to the gameplay as they let you see your opponent even in blocky Nintendovision. I'll never forget the enraged screams of newbies playing with us in hideous 20-19-0-0 slaughters of the innocents; the glory of a perfect grenade lob in the temple, dropping on the victim from seemingly out of nowhere (id should learn from the Goldeneye grenade launcher, what a weapon); the joys of rampant screen cheating or shooting blind using the radar.

I must also ask - did you play the standard deathmatch, or one-hit kills? We decided to try the latter early on, and from that day forth there was never any question of which we would play. With one hit deaths the interesting variations of the different weapons really becomes a factor; grenades and rockets become altogether more tricky; and the weapons capable of shooting through walls and doors vastly more important. In this mode the game also showed what a great controller the N64 controller really is: in facility we were able to hit specific letters in the warning signs at the other end of the corridoor using the magnum.

As time has passed (and the original gang of Goldeneye or 'bond-age' freaks has dispersed) I play it less and less; nonetheless, I would trade Far Cry, UT2K3, MOHAA, Counterstrike, all of them, for Goldeneye. Ah, memories.

Thus endeth the rantings.

Re:You're insane (1)

KevetS (600647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257626)

Hmm no mod option for +1 Awesome, so +1 Informative will have to work.

I can totally relate to most of what you posted above. You may have been a bit more hardcore than I, but I do recall many late-night Bond marathons. Prox. mine matches were always intense, especially on dark maps like Cave that have lots of small passages. Ahh memories.

Right up there with Bond was Starfox 64... another great multiplayer game even though there was only really one level worth playing.

Re:You're insane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8257916)

My friends and I actually froze the game and had to reset on several occasions because we'd cause too many (or too big) explosions.

Then when we got perfect dark, there was one multiplayer level that ALWAYS froze the game as soon as someone fired a weapon :(

Weird shit (1)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8264341)

I have seen it freeze a few times, and also some other weird shit in that game - twice, in fact, I have seen damage infliced when one hit kills were turned on. It was the strangest thing, just the very edges of a grenade explosion and the character, instead of dying, lost all their health but for one bar. Very strange. Allegations of cheating were rampant.

And I thought I was the only one! (1)

celerityfm (181760) | more than 10 years ago | (#8260623)

Yes, SINGLE-SHOT KILL (or licensed to kill mode) IS THE BEST!

Seriously, the parent poster must have not given it a good try-- my brothers and I played golden eye deathmatch CONSTANTLY and we loved it! Whats more insane is that we never even owned the game, we just kept renting it hehe. I beat every level on 00 agent mode except for the caverns-- that level was so.. fricking.. insane.

I used to cheat on the cradle level-- you could quickly run past all the guards and get to the bottom area where your supposed to "jump off" and the main boss would quickly kill himself with grenades. But the caverns level.. way.. to.. hard. :)

What about the train? (1)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8264282)

There was that freakin train level, and you ended up coming into the last carriage and having about 1.5 seconds to kill the person holding someone hostage, and if you missed *bam* it was all over after one of the most insanely hard levels imaginable... and if you don't miss, you get stuck in the carriage and have to use your laser watch to escape. It took me SO LONG to finish that on 00 agent, I don't think I can ever play it again.

The moonraker and baron samedi bonus levels were quite cool if challenging.

Re:What about the train? (1)

celerityfm (181760) | more than 10 years ago | (#8264619)

Dood your right, that level *was* intense!!! But the caverns was the only one I could never beat :( I didn't get to check out the bonus levels because I never beat it on 00 agent mode :(

Its ok though heh. But yes, Goldeneye owned... hmm... I just found my n64 the other day, mabye its time to find a used copy for cheap and have some fun? or mabye emulated? :P

Re:What about the train? (1)

kubrick (27291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8278904)

I'm (still) stuck on that train level... I get through those parts, get out of the train and the person you've rescued either gets shot by the guards outside the train or can't work out how to run away from the (soon-to-explode) train. Aaargh! I must have done this at least 20 times...

Re:What about the train? (1)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8279614)

It is possible, despite how it may seem. I cracked it eventually, after reading lots of on-line walkthroughs etc. and just playing and playing and playing. At a guess it would have taken me 50+ tries. I hate that fucking level!

Re:You're insane (1)

I(rispee_I(reme (310391) | more than 10 years ago | (#8262471)

(id should learn from the Goldeneye grenade launcher, what a weapon)
Someone should really add it to quake 2 or 3, I agree it is far superior to any other Grenade Launcher in the fps genre. Btw, the last semester of highschool, I ditched the textbooks, opting instead to carry an n64, four controllers, and a copy of Goldeneye. Nothing like challenging a punk sucka to a duel. :D

Re:You're insane (1)

theLOUDroom (556455) | more than 10 years ago | (#8271288)

Granted, the graphics are poor by PC standards.

Both really poor and really poorly designed.
The GOOD low-res FPS games always did something to work around their poor graphics.

Ever play Wolfenstein?
Remember how BIG the guns and clips were?


Goldeneye on the other hand make your typical handgun quite small. Split the TV up into 4 sections for multiplayer mode, start running around trying not to get shot and you're not going to find that gun unless you already know where it is.

IMO, Goldeneye was poorly done.

Re:this is interesting (1)

SamSim (630795) | more than 10 years ago | (#8257028)

Fascinating. GoldenEye was the first FPS I ever played and for me the deathmatch mode was amazing.

On the occasions when I've tried multiplayer Quake, Half-Life, TFC and so on, I've found the experience to be harsh, dull and repetitive. Run, die. Run, die. And few keyboards are ergonomically designed so a gamer can use one for more than an hour without feeling uncomfortable. Gimme an N64 joypad any day of the week. As a great man once said, "GoldenEye has the best control system of any game. And I don't just mean videogames. GoldenEye has a better control system than cards."

I guess it's a matter of what you first played. Even though both are deathmatch FPSs, effective tactics differ immensely between GE and Quake, to the point that anybody experienced in one of the games will find learning to play the other a highly frustrating experience.

Hey ho.

Lots of games have undiscovered secrets.... (2, Interesting)

Fluff the Tiger (700346) | more than 10 years ago | (#8263490)

Most games have cheats and hidden levels that are probably never discovered... my own personal experience of this was about 10 years ago, when for my birthday as a little boy I got spiderman for the Sega Master System. I had a game gear, so I had to play the game through a third party sms to gg convertor( remember those?) . Unfortunately for me, the power cable into my game gear was the wrong size, so any big movement would make the gg short out, sort of like that way when you hold the light switch half-way between on and off. Anyways...while on one of the last levels of spiderman i accidently moved the power cable, the light of the GG fli ckered on and off, until I was presented with a level select screen ( i have no idea how this happened, and have been unable to replicate it) - i chose the last level and completed the game :) Note that on Gamefaqs there has never been any mention of this level select - but by sheer chance , I have seen it - if this one game has it then im sure many , many others have cheats that have never been discovered too :)
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