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The Self-Tuning Guitar

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the here-comes-the-bride dept.

Music 512

CowboyRobot writes "With the TransPerformance Performer you push a button to activate a mechanical re-tensioning of the strings to any of a few hundred tunings, 'accurate to within 2 cents over the entire tuning range', in a couple of seconds. They can even refit your existing guitar. There's a long audio interview with Jimmy Page on the site. It's funny to hear him speak."

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YAY (-1, Offtopic)

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Even more fabulous (5, Informative)

jaf (121858) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325367)

It's being done with pianos:
See this New Scientist article [newscientist.com]

Re:Even more fabulous (4, Insightful)

MyFourthAccount (719363) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325574)

Interesting read. I liked this quote:

"From a pragmatic point of view I think it's an absolutely appalling idea. It would put me out of a job," says Martin Surrey, who tunes pianos for the English National Opera company.

No shit, Sherlock.

Welcome to the world of automation. The other 99.9999% of the population has had their work been influenced by it for a couple of decades now.

I for one.... (0, Funny)

CompWerks (684874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325371)

Welcome our Self-tuning guitar overlords.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I can't wait... (2, Funny)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325373)

...for when cars become self-tuning too. ;)

Re:I can't wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325389)

I would much prefer the DRIVERS become self tuning. And I'm talking about both the meat and the software kind.

Re:I can't wait... (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325413)

"I would much prefer the DRIVERS become self tuning. And I'm talking about both the meat and the software kind."

Someone gonna hop on that patent?

Re:I can't wait... (2, Informative)

hph (32331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325429)

But they are..

Check it out: ATI Overdrive [ati.com]

Re:I can't wait... (1, Informative)

dave420-2 (748377) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325544)

Nearly as good is the tech support on Nissan Skylines... connect your phone to the car, call Nissan in Japan, and they'll take the timings from your engine, and re-send new ones direct to the chip in the engine. 10 minutes, and you're done!

Sweetness... (5, Funny)

bucktug (306690) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325376)

Now if only they could get one to automatically play a real F or some of the more complicated SUS7#'s for us...

I have the fealing that most guitarists use the F just to stop me from trying to learn the song.

--Turvey

Re:Sweetness... (1)

fwankypoo (58987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325512)

[133211]

Just barre the open E at the first fret.

Re:Sweetness... (1)

LittleBigLui (304739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325514)

F (or all barre chords, for that matter) isn't all that complicated once you got the hang of it.

Of course, since re-tuning is now possible in very short time, you could just tune all the strings up a half tone when you need an F, fret an E and tune the strings back down when you're done with it. :)

Roadies (5, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325377)

man, I feel bad for the roadies.

No more tuning the guitars.

Sucks to be them.

Guess its mic checks from here on out. Sorry fellas.

Re:Roadies (5, Funny)

LittleBigLui (304739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325553)

Guess its mic checks from here on out. Sorry fellas.


but mic checks are so much more rewarding:

(big festival, crowd waiting for next band)

Roadie: Microphone check ...
Roadie: ... one, TWO!
Crowd: ONE, TWO!
Roadie: CHECK, CHECK, ONE, TWO!
Crowd: CHECK, CHECK, ONE, TWO!
(Singer enters the stage, hugs roadie)
Singer: That nice guy is Jimmy. Everybody say "Fuck you, Jimmy"!
Crowd: Fuck you, Jimmy!

ahh, the sweet memories :)

Re:Roadies (2, Funny)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325561)

Their jobs are all being outsourced to India anyway.

Cool, but... (2, Funny)

kinnell (607819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325382)

Does it run linux? It would be cool to be able to check your email in the middle of a gig by running mutt on the LCD display.

Re:Cool, but... (1)

fryguybob (443423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325450)

Microsoft's Paul Allen owns one. Maybe it runs windows... of course it would be pretty hard to make a blue screen of death for a green LCD display.

Re:Cool, but... (4, Funny)

gravelpup (305775) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325534)

Paul Allen is funding this, therefore it sucks. But Allen is funding SpaceShipOne, which is cool! But SpaceShipOne is Armadillo's competitor, therefore it sucks! But... *head explodes*

Re:Cool, but... (1)

Plammox (717738) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325453)

...and control it using different chords?
F#m for viewing attachments and C#7maj9 for 'Send'....

Re:Cool, but... (1)

kinnell (607819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325508)

...and control it using different chords?

That would bring new meaning to the term "Chorded Keyboard".

tuning (1)

iii_rjm (551978) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325386)

Ok It ssems I know nothing about guitars. Pennies are used as a measurement of how close a guitar is to being in tune?

Re:tuning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325419)

IDNPAG (I Do Not Play A Guitar) but it seems to me that cents might mean hundredths as in it is just two hundredths away from the proper frequency.

Re:tuning (5, Informative)

NorthWoodsman (606357) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325439)

100 cents = 1 half-step = the smallest pitch distance on a piano

Re:tuning (1, Funny)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325575)

12 full steps = 1,000,000 cents = $10,000 = cost of rehab.....

Re:tuning (1)

Sub-MOA (635383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325462)

Good ole wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
The cent is a logarithmic measure of relative pitch or intervals. 1200 cents are equal to one octave, and an equally tempered semitone is equal to 100 cents.

vocalists (5, Funny)

v_1_r_u_5 (462399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325387)

Now if only we can get these for vocalists...

Re:vocalists (5, Informative)

Bohnanza (523456) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325488)

Believe it or not, Autotune [antarestech.com] already exists! This product is the sole reason people like Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake can be called "singers"

Re:vocalists (0)

coolgabe (729004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325536)

It's likely that Britney needs it, but I'm pretty sure Justin can hit the notes on his own most of the time. Check out *nsync's version of "O Holy Night" if you don't believe me.

Re:vocalists (1)

SkyMunky (249995) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325541)

this [antarestech.com]

I wonder... (4, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325388)

I wonder how many guitarists will take to this since to them it is such and art and about what they hear. Can a computer really tune to the level that they can hear it needs to be tuned to for them?

Re:I wonder... (0)

Too Many Secrets (449095) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325433)

Well it claims +- 2 cents, which should be in the range of proper guitar tuning. However, the mass guitar playing population has never been keen on technology changes in their instruments. There is a reason the most popular guitars are still strats and les pauls, neither of which have changed much in the last 50 years.

Re:I wonder... (2, Informative)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325452)

We've been using chromatic tuners for a long time--- much more accurate than 2 cents. This would have been good during the hair band era, when those guys were using wammy bars like they were going out of style...

Re:I wonder... (3, Funny)

Skater (41976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325539)

Ironically, they were going out of style!

--RJ

Re:I wonder... (4, Interesting)

cozziewozzie (344246) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325457)

A vast majority of guitar players I've met (and I've met a share as I used to play live) use electric tuners for their guitar. There is nothing more embarrassing than standing on the stage and tuning 'by ear' while the whole audience is listening. From electronic tuners (some of which are digital) to an auto-tuning guitar is a very small step -- the only thing you get to do when using a tuner is tune up or down depending on what it tells you.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325473)

Well one time I broke a string 2 minutes before I had to go on stage. I replaced the string but it was too noisy backstage to tune the guitar properly. I ended up going on stage with 1 string out of tune. If I had one of these on my guitar I wouldn't have had a problem. Now I don't go anywhere without backup guitars but I'd love to put one of these auto-tuners on all of them.

Re:I wonder... (1)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325497)

Well, your string was doomed anyway... new strings have this tendency to de-tune within minutes...

After a day or two, the strings have already settled and can stay in tune for a little while longer.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325556)

Well what I do is after I put on a new string and tune it I manually stretch it (basically grab it with my finger and pull it as far up, left and right that it will go, I do this for about 10 seconds). Then I tune it again. If you do that it's good for a few songs at least. It will still de-tune while you are playing but it will be much less severe.

Re:I wonder... (1)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325568)

I had heard about string strectching, but my string manufacturer discouraged it, and, since I play bass, and in South America, a set of bass strings cost the earth! I figured, if I had to spend such a quantity of money, I should take good care of strings, wich included not stretching. Fortunately, bass strings are less prone to this detuning than guitar strings (it seems like the "smooth" strings, the first three ones are more prone to this than the roundwound ones)

Re:I wonder... (0)

coolgabe (729004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325578)

If you properly stretch [psu.edu] the string, you can stabilize the tuning in less than two minutes. No need to wait a day or two. (I'm not a pro, but have played many shows on stage in the past.)

Re:I wonder... (3, Insightful)

kinnell (607819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325487)

to them it is such and art and about what they hear

Tuning is a science, not an art. Either the guitar is in tune, or it's not. If it's not, it sounds wrong. An out of tune guitar sounds bad, period. The only issue I can see, is if the tuning mechanism affects the tone, but this is unlikely, if they've designed it properly.

Can a computer really tune to the level that they can hear it needs to be tuned to for them?

I'll wager a computer can tune a lot better than most guitarists.

Jimmy Page (4, Informative)

debilo (612116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325392)

For those who don't know, Jimmy Page was the guitarist for Led Zeppelin. While he doesn't have the best technique when it comes to playing the guitar, he really really does have a grasp of melodies. He's a genius, you'd better listen to that guy. :)

Re:Jimmy Page (1)

maduro55 (719392) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325422)

You question Jimmy's techinque, how dare you. I dare say that you suck pond water.

Re:Jimmy Page (4, Funny)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325466)

If anyone doesn't know who Jimmy Page is, please post your address so I can come smack you.

Re:Jimmy Page (4, Funny)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325492)

Quoth Homer:
"You can see everything from here! There's Big Ben, there's Picadilly Circus, and there's Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American Black Music who ever lived!"

Re:Jimmy Page (1)

prisoner (133137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325509)

I hesitate to question Homer but I thought the biggest thief was Elvis....

Worried (5, Funny)

physicsboy500 (645835) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325396)

now I don't have to be concerned that I'm putting to much tension on my G-string... phew!

Re:Worried (1, Funny)

thelasttemptation (703311) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325463)

I'm more worried that physic's boy 500 has a g-string...

Re:Worried (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325494)

Um, it was just recently Valentine's Day. Why are you still tensioning your G string yourself?

"But will it auto tuna fish ?" (4, Funny)

Onan The Librarian (126666) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325398)

Well, someone was going to say it...

Re:"But will it auto tuna fish ?" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325451)

No they weren't. But you just did.

Cool, but (5, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325399)

This is really cool. However, maybe I'm showing my age here in that I'm not sure I really like the idea. I've been playing for 25 years (since I was 12) and IMHO a huge part of learning to play is developing a good ear and being able to tune your instrument by hand. I never cared for electronic tuners for the same reason.

That being said, since I *can* tune by ear, I probably wouldn't mind the convenience of being able to 'dial in' whatever tuning I want.

Let's just make sure that newbs learn things right before you let them have one of these ;-)

Re:Cool, but (2, Insightful)

cozziewozzie (344246) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325490)

Tuning by ear is great, if you're playing for yourself. If, however, you are playing with others, it takes quite a while to get all of you in tune, and you usually get out of tune by the end of the first song. Especially if you rehearse daily and play live often, it can become a pain.

I agree that developing a good ear is important, but when you're paying huge $$$ for the rehearsal room, or have 300 people listening to you, you don't want to spend half of your time tuning your guitar. It's something all guitar players can do by ear, but shouldn't have to keep doing it over and over again.

Re:Cool, but (1, Funny)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325491)

Yeah, just like all the green-ass programming students are still learning assembly before writing crappy programs in VB. Err, wait a minute...

Re:Cool, but (0)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325531)

Not be be pompous or anything, but if have to -learn- to be in tune*, please do not play for anybody else then yourself.

If you have not learned it by the time you can sing "Happy Birthday" you should probably not bother at all.

"/Dread"
* "In tune", not "In absolute tune"

Re:Cool, but (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325565)

Well that was pompus. I wasn't referring to knowing what in tune is, I was referring to the act of tuning a guitar. Yes, to an extent having a good ear is an innate talent, but one still has to learn how to do the various tunings when learning how to play guitar.

Do you actually play guitar? If so then I'm surprised at your comment.

Just what we need (5, Insightful)

AlgoRhythm (701779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325402)

well my first reaction was "Great! More tone deaf 'musicians' who can't even tune thier own guitars ... at least they'll just suck instead of also being out of tune."

But then I remembered I fellow I used to play with who was enamoured with oddball tunings. I would have loved to get him one of these, because he had to change tunings so often that the audience would get bored in between songs. Wouldn't have been so bad if the guy had had a pesonality to keep them entertained with ... guess that's why I USED to play with him.

Hmmm (5, Funny)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325404)

Take a look under the testimonials [selftuning.com] section...Used by the band "Paul Allen and the Microsofts"??? I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but /.'ers believe you me, its an omen. This thing must someone be evil.

Re:Hmmm (1)

thelasttemptation (703311) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325482)

Nah, they'll never make it big with that name. Bands should apeal to the ladies, not make them double over in laughter :P

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325562)

paul allen likes to play the guitar. he is on the list since he is kind of famous, being the 3rd richest guy on the planet or whatnot. bad omen though

He touched my junk! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325405)

[touchedmyjunk.com]
Self tuning guitar tuner touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his tunermobile and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told Self tuning guitar tuner the city would not approve of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free.
can you believe it? Self tuning guitar tuner did all this. he picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the tunermobile's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
they definately were red flag touches. the goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did Self tuning guitar tuner care? NO WAY! he just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with Self tuning guitar tuner but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a wealthy man touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
this got to him, worrying about his image. he continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring the referee's red flags. then he drove the tunermobile to my house and ejected the seat i was in! it was amazing. but surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it!!! Can you believe it?

Professionals only, please (4, Insightful)

The Fun Guy (21791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325417)

The FAQ says it costs about $4000 to retrofit it onto your guitar. This is not for your average guy who plucks a bit on the weekends.

Re:Professionals only, please (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325427)

"This is not for your average guy who plucks a bit on the weekends."

Would a professional want a computer tuning his guitar for him, or would he be so paticular that he would want to do it himself?

Re:Professionals only, please (5, Interesting)

ageitgey (216346) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325524)

Most professionals (who make any sort of real income playing) have roadies who tune their guitars for them. That way they can have the roadie tune an extra guitar between songs and they can switch for the next song without delaying the show.

I think a lot of guitarists think of tuning as an annoyance, much like setting up amps and monitors. That being said, it's still cheaper and more efficient to buy 4 guitars for a thousand dollars each and have them tuned up for different songs than to spend 4000 on retrofitting a one thousand dollar guitar unless you change tunings during the song.

As anyone who has seen Jimmy Page live in the last 8 years or so can tell you, he uses the auto-tuner to change tunings in the middle of the song and even uses contant tuning changing as an "effect". Some of his effects would be otherwise impossible to create live.

Re:Professionals only, please (1)

Sirch (82595) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325507)

This is not for your average guy who plucks a bit on the weekends.

Bang goes most of the /. crowd.

I mean, they don't bang...


Damn.

Accurate within two cents? (2, Insightful)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325418)

Big deal- I'll tune it myself. Whenever I need to tune its usually because I am less than 2 cents out of tune anyway (unless my guitar has been re-strung or not played in a while).

Besides, who would want that big nasty thing on a Beautiful Taylor, Les Paul, or Strat? Its a cool toy, but I don't see much use for performers.

Re:Accurate within two cents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325569)

Whenever I need to tune its usually because I am less than 2 cents out of tune anyway

Yeah right. With that sentence you just proved that you've never even touched a guitar before in your entire life. Stop wasting the nice mods points.

Oh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325420)

It really makes me wonder

XBox rules!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325421)

first post!!! you lame assholes... I can post first because my XBox is a american product and my pride in my great country and my great XBox accelerate everything...

If only they would make games for that bitch... IAve played Metroid Prime and it ruled... I hope M$ will buy those japanese bastards and port Metroid to my great american console system!!!

Guitarist's are traditionalists (2, Insightful)

goatan (673464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325581)

this is unlikley to be popular Most guitarists are traditionalists valves are our main preference whilst transistors are devil spawn in an amp.

The only people likley to buy this are those who use a lot of diffrent tunnings in performance, but then they have to weight this against the likley reduction in the guitar's worth. I dont' think it would be worth forking out money to reduce the value of your pride and joy it might be the sort of thing i would put into my epiphone but never my strat. Didn't see a price on the site but some one mentiond $4000 at that price you could buy 3-4 gibson les pauls or 2 cornford hellcat amps, when compared to that it's not value for money at all. This isn't going to be worth it for the majority of players who use just one or two tunnings as you can get electric tuners for 5 that tune just as accuratley if not more so.

I can see this being right up jimmy page's street but it's not going sell big.

Been there, done that (1, Informative)

NYTrojan (682560) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325426)

Some friends of mine made one of these for a project in college. Check it out here.

http://www.ce.rit.edu/projects/srprojects/2003.1 /r t_egaft/

I don't know about how effective the tuner is.... (0, Funny)

Eevee (535658) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325434)

But the site sucks big time. Nothing like having to constantly scroll in a tiny window when the rest of my display is going to waste to make me want to buy a product.

Of course, the site is designed with the artiste in mind, which means looking good is more important than actually being good.

Time to move on (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325435)

Now that just anyone can tune a guitar, I guess I have to find something more elite...

Kind of interesting (2, Interesting)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325438)

I can understand maybe with people just starting out in learning the guitar, but with someone that knows how to tune a guitar, and having a guitar that stays in tune (ie, don't buy cheap crap), is important. But learning to tune the guitar by ear is part of the learning process.

Well, perhaps as the strings age the guitar can compensate for that I suppose...but I use Elixers on my Martin and they last a good month before they need changing.

Ah, also forgot, if you're into alternate tunings this would be a quick way to switch them around without having 5 different guitars all tuned differently.

Also, in case you haven't check it out yet, go buy the Led Zeppelin DVD that was released last year. You'll see why Zeppelin ruled the stage in their day. Much better than the lack-luster "Song Remains the Same" performance we were stuck with for so long. I actually saw them in concert in May of 1977 in Maryland, and they were MUCH better than that movie. This new DVD shows this, and without all the silly acting parts (remember Jimmy Page's eyes glowing red?).

Re:Kind of interesting (1)

viracochas (628648) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325525)

Come on! The bad acting is part of the magic of Song Remains the Same. And without it Spinal Tap just wouldn't have been the same...

Re:Kind of interesting (1)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325576)

you know, this is true really. But you have to be in the mood for that. When I want to see a performance I would watch the Zeppelin DVD, but to get a good laugh watch the Song Remains the Same.

The backstage parts with Peter Grant are pretty funny too.

Re:Kind of interesting (1)

prisoner (133137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325528)

You saw Zeppelin and you remember it? You lucky bastard.

Re:Kind of interesting (4, Informative)

cozziewozzie (344246) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325580)

I can understand maybe with people just starting out in learning the guitar, but with someone that knows how to tune a guitar, and having a guitar that stays in tune (ie, don't buy cheap crap), is important. But learning to tune the guitar by ear is part of the learning process.

The tuning of your guitar depends on many factors, and only one of them is the quality of the guitar. For example:

- How often and how hard you bend
- How hard you bang your guitar while you play (blues vs. punk)
- The gauge of the strings
- How fresh/old the strings are
- Use a tremolo/whammy bar? Things go way out of tune with those.
- Retune your guitar often for alternate tunings? This can also affect the stability of the strings
- Alternative playing methods, a la Sonic Youth (playing with drumsticks etc)

For some people, it is easy to stay in tune. For others, tuning between each song is a must, even with really good equipment.

Bridge (5, Interesting)

debilo (612116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325443)

Hello, don't hate me for it, but I followed the link and read the story. Seems like the bridge is replaced by motors that tune the guitar by moving the bridge slightly, thus increasing or lowering the string tension. I can't speak for everyone, but I for one like my strings in a fixed position from the frets. I want the distance between the strings and the frets as small as possible. Does anyone else see a problem with that, since moving the bridge alters that distance? Or do you think those movements would be so subtle that one could hardly tell there was a movement at all?

Re:Bridge (1)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325513)

I thought about this too. Before following the link I was somewhat expecting to see something attached to the headstock.

"My action is 1 inch, but the guitar is in perfect tune!!!"

Re:Bridge (2, Insightful)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325554)

If they are to affect the tuning, they should be more like "lengthening or shortening the string" that "raising or lowering the string". The effects on string action(*) should be negligible... of course, this assumes you have your guitar mostly in tune, as if you are grossly out of tune you will need BIG bridge movements to compensate.

(*)action: Shortest distance from the strings to the fingerboard.

In other news (2, Funny)

scatter_gather (649698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325445)

I have invented the self-playing guitar. In a fit of creative frenzy I have named it the CD!

Cannot tune by machine alone (4, Informative)

bodland (522967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325448)

Each guitar has it's quirks. Depending on the intonation the "b" string on a guitar needs to be tuned manytimes slightly flat to allow chords to ring true.

The human ear has a problem with "b". Even though the tuner may say it is perfectly in tune a simple "D" chord will sound awful.

Compensating bridges make up for this intonation problem but it is still not exact.

Automatic tuners may look cool but will go the way of locking nuts. Remember those locking nuts and big ass whammy bars forced on us by Eddie VanHalen in the 80's?

Yes, I DO remember.... (3, Interesting)

UrGeek (577204) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325516)

...the locking nut whammy bar. The best invention since the electromagnetic pickup! Floyd Rose is a genius!

i teach bass.... (4, Insightful)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325458)

and i meet students all the time that don't want to learn to tune because of digital tuners. i would imagine how "bad" music would sound when they can figure out they can just press a button to retune their guitar. people listen. you ear tune to train your ear.

Seems interesting... but... (3, Interesting)

OctobrX (2726) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325468)

On the surface it seems like something that's quite cool. But to be honest, most people simply play stuff live either half-a-step down or in drop D. Sure, there are other bizzarre tunings out there that are really cool to play in, but that's why most guitarist are also guitar collectors and like to take at least a few of them with them even while simply playing at local shows...

This seems like a cool thing, but all it all I doubt seriously it'll catch on. Plus, I can't can't see anyone who can afford a $2k(US)+ guitar taking a chance at killing its resale value by doing this mod.

From their FAQ: Some wood is removed and replaced with the computer and mechanical device.

Not New(s) (1)

Joel Carr (693662) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325474)

Interesting, yes, but certainly in no way shape or form a new or original idea. A quick google search shows this to be the case. Also a friend of mine has just come up with exactly the same idea for his final year engineering project...

Cool stuff, but news? meh...

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These aren't new (2, Informative)

samsmithnz (702471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325475)

These have been around since the 80's... The only difference is that now they can be lifted by a 'normal' man now that electronics have become so much smaller...

People... (5, Insightful)

ProudClod (752352) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325510)

Don't seem to understand what this product is for. It's not for tonedeaf idiots who can't tune a guitar.

It's for professionals, who want to expand their sound by being able to change tuning midsong and at a rate of a tone a second, so that you can get effects and changes in sound that are impossible on a normal guitar tuning headstock (believe me, I just tried to emulate this video with my guitar: http://www.selftuning.com/video/video.html )

I think the price tag of 3300$-3899$ says it all really.

How about Just Intonation? (0)

dogen (574612) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325515)

Cool> But what the guitar world REALLY needs is a simple system to implement JUST INTONATION.

Bluetooth support? (1)

CaptainAlbert (162776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325517)

So, how long before they add wireless networking support? The studio techs could just sit behind the desk tweaking away... cool. ...until some kid in the audience h4XX0rs the lead guitarist mid-solo, I suppose. :)

Alternate Tuning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8325518)

This makes alternate tuning alot easier, where before you basically needed a guitar for each tuning, which is prohibitive for most people. Some bands that use alternate tunings alot are sonic youth, soundgarden, and of course, led zeppelin. Its a critical part of their sound, actually.

Re:Alternate Tuning (0, Redundant)

hyc (241590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325583)

Hm... I remember watching Martin Carthy playing live, and he retuned between songs all the time. Took 30 seconds, maybe a minute, and he talked about the song the whole time. I think if you're going to mess around with tunings, you should just get adept at tuning. If you're not fast and accurate enough to do it by ear, you're probably not ready to be playing around with it...

First I could tune a guitar by ear (0)

acomj (20611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325529)

First I could tune a guitar by ear,
then I got a tuner and could no longer tune by ear.

Now I've reached the next level and can no longer tune the guitar with the machine.

-Dave Mathews

And now all we need is (0, Funny)

namidim (607227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325533)

self tuning singers......

good idea... but not on my guitar (1)

deviantonline (542095) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325548)

while the idea is good, why does it have to look so ugly?

I hate having to tune my guitar all the time, but I really could not see myself ever wanting a guitar that looked that bad!

Couldnt they have concealed the tuning buttons a little better, and that crazy tuning bridge thing is just too ugly and out of place. Too bad, because this is a really good idea.

hello /.'ed (1)

vrtladept (674792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325558)

Site has quicktime movies .. this is gonna hurt.

Built in tuner (1)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325560)

Back in 1988 I pulled the guts out of a sabine tuner and built it into my Ibanez guitar. I had the Sharp/Flat/In-Tune LEDs on the front of the pick plate and the rest of the 12 leds on the back of the guitar.
A guy I knew who was more of an engineer than I suggested hooking up a small moter(s) to the fine tune of the floating bridge to have to sharp/flat signals turn the little screws and automatically put it in tune.
I'm surprised it took this long to come out with an autotune guitar.
Just make sure the auto-tune doesn't kick in when you hit the whammy bar!
-Steve
------
This sig best viewd in a drunken stupor

Stavinsky's comments... (2, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8325564)

...about harpists seem somewhat appropriate here:

"Harpists spend 90 percent of their lives tuning their harps, and 10 percent playing out of tune".
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