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Y Window System Project Started

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the just-in-time-development dept.

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cuppm writes "Y, Mark Thomas's final year project for his masters degree, is back in active development (outlined here). Here is the email I received: '...Y development is about to start up again. If you are interested in participating, the website is at: There are links to mailing lists there, and you can download the latest development snapshot, which should compile this time :o). I apologise if I did not respond to your email personally. I was on holiday in Japan when the story broke, and by the time I got back I had over 80 emails about the subject, many of them in depth. If you had specific points that you'd like to raise, I suggest re-raising them on the y-devel mailing list.' So for all those who think it's time for a X replacement, here's your shot. And for those X lovers, use Y's extensibility to make it X compatible." See our previous story for more background.

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Why Windows? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327910)

Sounds like a good reason to switch to Y Windows!

Y... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327963)

... didn't he invest in a non-gay hosting plan?

Re:Why Windows? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327966)

I love how /. articles are always written as if everyone immediately has the same intentional maps.

It's called JOURNALISM 101 you fucks. You define what everything is (as in Y-Windows is the operating system, blah, blah, blah) for the noobs and THEN you can as cryptic and geeky as you want.

Style books can be your friends.

Re:Why Windows? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328003)

Y don't u s8v ur wizdom 4 ur gay freindz, biatch!

---- some ugly indian

Re:Why Windows? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328021)

Y bother?

Re:Why Windows? (0, Flamebait)

ogre57 (632144) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328109)

Um, because some people actually like their daily viruses, random crashes, hourly reboots, scads of ads, ... ?

Sounds more like... (5, Funny)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328189)

Abbot and Costello...

Abbot: Are you using X Windows?

Costello: No, Y

Abbot: I just want to know

Costello: Y

Abbot: Look, All I want to find out is what controls your display?

Costello:: I just told you?

Abbot: Told me what?

Costello:: No, "What" is the name of the window manager....

Abbot: I am not talking about the window manager!

Gentoo Linux~! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327915)

Gentoo will have Y first becouse Gentoo is the best!

Re:Gentoo Linux~! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327933)

yaeh its teh best esp. if your frm Espagne!


At long last! (0, Insightful)

kylea (674789) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327927)

...A replacement for my antiquated X Windows.

Re:At long last! (2, Funny)

loyalsonofrutgers (736778) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327955)

Nothing beats ducttape and a trashbag

Re:At long last! (2, Interesting)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327958)

I may be new here, but will someone give a quick rundown on what exactly Y windows is and how it is different or is an improvement over X windows or any other windowing system?

Re:At long last! (4, Informative)

Guy Innagorillasuit (249136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327993)

I think the renewed interest in Y-Windows may be doe to the licensing concerns about X's new license not being GPL compatible.

Re:At long last! (5, Informative)

jdh-22 (636684) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328203)

Y Windows System is looking to replace X windows system because:
  • X is too slow
  • X places to much burden on the programmer (XLib)
  • X has no standard
  • Xfree86 is over 10 years old

This is all taken from the PDF file.
I for one, am all for standardizing a window system. That's not saying that we can't have competiting Window managers, but there is standard of the communication to the windows system. This is (IMO) what is holding back Linux from the desktop.

Re:At long last! (4, Insightful)

orn (34773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328205)

While we're at it, more questions:

1. How hard is it to port an application to Y? (Is Mozilla going to come any time soon?)

2. How fast is it on older machines/PDAs? Is it mostly designed for new, beefy systems? (I noticed the 3D accel stuff, but is it required?)

Re:At long last! (5, Funny)

bfg9000 (726447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328256)

I may be new here, but will someone give a quick rundown on what exactly Y windows is and how it is different or is an improvement over X windows or any other windowing system?

Simple, Y is One Better.

Just like my amplifier, which goes to 11.

Biggest improvement (1)

__past__ (542467) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328295)

It is actually called "Y Windows", so we won't have pointless arguments about it really being called either "Y" or "The Y Window System".

Re:At long last! (0, Redundant)

eyeye (653962) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328049)

But it will cause worldwide nerd confusion:

nerd1: Hey what windowing system are you using?
nerd2: Y
nerd1: I just wanted to know
nerd2: Y!
nerd1: Ok ok just chill ok? jesus you are defensive.

y? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327934)

y bother?

Re:y? (0, Redundant)

wheany (460585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328000)


Because I gotta!

Re:y? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328075)

Y did you put a link to Goggle on your homepage?

We all use Goggle every day, there's no need to do something ghey like that.

Instead, try some fucking (ass, in your case).

Buenos Nuit, you finnish asswhole.

Y? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327936)

Whats next, Z?

First post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327937)

first post!!

first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327938)

first post, linux sucks

Perhaps (-1)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327941)

Z Windows would be a better name. It rolls of the toungebetter.

Re:Perhaps (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328211)

What is a 'toungebetter'?

Oh, nevermind, Bush-voter.

BTW: I can smell your pyssu.

Proper nomenclature (2, Funny) (114827) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327943)

Is this successor to XWindows actually YWindows, or is it simply XWindows-1K?

History of X (5, Informative)

baywulf (214371) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328039)

I was reading an old book on X Windows the other day and the naming came something like this:

Stanford had an operating system called V where they developed a windowing environment called W. MIT needed such a windowing environment for the Athena project and borrowed the W system from Stanford. They made so many improvements over time that it no longer resembled the W system so they named it the X Windows system. Over time 11 versions were developed as more and more Unix companies got interested. But by then MIT had its needs met so an X Consortium was formed that developed the X11 system from revision 1 to 6 reaching the X11R6 release that we have now.

Re:History of X (0, Flamebait)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328289)

Ob: "Is its license compatible with the GPL?"

WTF do we saddle ourselves with the network display code if we don't use it? Can't somebody architect a windowing system that had a plugin to efficiently support remote access?

Re:Proper nomenclature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328058)

becuase we currently use X11R6 11 version revision 6 of X-windows.

New Name needed.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328158)

Since lots of hillbilly-types pronounce "windows" like "winnders", I think Y-Windows should be called "Yonders".

Amazing.... (5, Funny)

XCorvis (517027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327944)

The Y-windows site was Slashdotted 30 seconds after it was posted! A new record! Go Team!

Re:Amazing.... (4, Interesting)

David McBride (183571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328268)

Apache2's default configuration doesn't scale gracefully to the load generated by a slashdotting.

I've upped various magic numbers in poolsize.conf and it appears to now be responding much faster.



Stuff (3, Funny)

g-to-the-o-to-the-g (705721) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327946)

Why windows? Whats wrong with the command prompt?

(aahhadabahahah why windows)

Re:Stuff (1, Funny)

Johnny Fusion (658094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328027)

Have you ever tried reading slashdot using Lynx?

Re:Stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328129)

Yes, Links2 actually but there were no adds the only problem was with links.

Re:Stuff (2, Informative)

jandrese (485) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328163)

Slashdot is pretty readable with w3m [] .

Re:Stuff (4, Funny)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328207)

Have you ever tried reading slashdot using Lynx?
Did it all the time on the mail server console in the machine room, so the boss thought I was working...

JACKASS (-1, Offtopic)

DOCStoobie (731093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328052)

That was FUNNY.....really, it was funny....

Good timing (2, Insightful)

LostCauz (121686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327948)

Maybe the XFree86 4.4 licensing problem would bring more people to using Y.

You're a genius! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328017)

With the current rash of stories about how many problems X has, YOU THINK!?

This wouldn't be a big fucking deal or newsworthy otherwise.

Re:Good timing (0, Flamebait)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328019)

Maybe the XFree86 4.4 licensing problem would bring more people to using Y.
Man. Wow. I mean, what -- did you go to Harvard to figure that out, or did you like decode that with your Little Orphan Annie Spy Ring?

Is now the time to renew my plea for a "+0 Obvious" mod?

Re:Good timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328227)

Now was that really needed? Waste two mod points on this post?

The one it was replying to was stupid and, as the parent said, worthy of +0 obvious. At least one of the points needed to go to mark the other "overrated".

Re:Good timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328299)

I can't belive this got modded up. Not only is it ridiculously stupid, but has anyone looked at this guy's history? Generally worthless "Score:0" posts. I can't belive people wasted their points to make this more important.

Women's Windows (-1, Offtopic)

justanyone (308934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327950)

I suppose there's a bunch of jokes possible about this project being for Women only (Y chromosome, etc.) :->

no (2, Funny)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327969)

there aren't :)

Re:Women's Windows (4, Informative)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327975)

Um... Women don't have a Y chromosome.

Re:Women's Windows (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328026)

Um... Women don't have a Y chromosome.

Don't worry, most women he sees on the net are XXX probably, so he wouldn't know anyway.

Re:Women's Windows (2, Informative)

LostCauz (121686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327981)

Women are XX, men are XY.

Re:Women's Windows (4, Funny)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327985)

I suppose there's a bunch of jokes possible about this project being for Women only (Y chromosome, etc.) :->
Minor clarification: To be a joke, it must be funny.

If it had been called "Y Don't You Do The Dishes, Bitch" then we might be laughing with you, and not at.

HTH -- ~Darl

Re:Women's Windows (2, Informative)

LordFoo (518001) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327991)

I think you mean for men only -- (normal) men have XY sexual chromosomes, women are XX.

Re:Women's Windows (3, Funny)

pLnCrZy (583109) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327999)

...except for the fact that women are XX and men are XY.

find / -name *base* -exec chown us:us {} \; su -c someone 'export UP_US=thebomb' for f in great justice ; do sed -e 's/zig//g'

Re:Women's Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328127)

find / -name *base* -exec chown us:us {} \; su -c someone 'export UP_US=thebomb' for f in great justice ; do sed -e 's/zig//g'

*lol* Dude, this is propably the coolest sig I have seen in a long time ! :-)=)

Y-Not? (3, Interesting)

DecimalThree (524862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327952)

I find it highly unlikely that I would consider another future desktop additions. It would be more prudent to patch and hack on the labors that have already been provided ensuring both stability and security before adding other extensions. The whole damn planet has gone desktop happy.

Y not? (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327956)

Y soitenly!

Y don't we do it in the road.

Y you gotta treat me so bad?

Y ask Y?

Yre = Pink Flag = r0x0r

Who's that ugly country singer? Ynnona?

Who's that hot, crazy actress? Ynona.

Yse makes potato chips.

Roberts Yse is a Hollywood hotshot.

Many Catholic priests get tingly thinking about the YMCA.

Y didn't I stop typing long ago so I could get firszt poszt?

HotYre a car if it has a New Mexican drunkbox in it...

Re:Y not? (2, Funny)

Johnny Fusion (658094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328098)

You forgot,

Y? Because we LIKE you! M-O-U-S-E!

The XFree consortium already has this (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327972)

And for those X lovers, use Y's extensibility to make it X compatible.

So basically it's "Y-XFree86", right? There might be prior art here, I've heard people say that for years.

me too (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8327976)

me too

It had better be 'X' compatible... (-1, Troll)

terraformer (617565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327986)

...since they are outlawing gay marriage left and right here in the states. Although for / geeks, it is not like there is much need for compatibility I guess.

Hint: Male Chromosome...

Re:It had better be 'X' compatible... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328220)

Worst. Joke. Ever.

Re:It had better be 'X' compatible... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328252)

Males have an 'X' and a 'Y'. Sheesh.

But, an eXtension to X11 extended from Y,
would produce Kleinfelter's Windows.

Countdown (5, Funny)

CaptainAlbert (162776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8327994)

3... 2... 1... Trademark infringement lawsuit from The Open Group!

Quickly followed by a name change to "Y-windash".

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328059)

Well, it neighter has a X, nor is it a window-system. If anyone is to file a suite, then
it is Microsoft as they are the only ones to have
anything to do with "windowS"

good idea but wrong reason (0, Insightful)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328008)

God, I hate this. Yes, X could do with replacing because it's very old and crufty, but I hate the fact that a major factor in people wanting to change is the X license change.

It's the GPL that should be changed, not the X license, but very few people are brave enough to admit it, because they don't want to distance themselves from their open source friends.


Re:good idea but wrong reason (5, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328053)

It's the GPL that should be changed, not the X license, but very few people are brave enough to admit it, because they don't want to distance themselves from their open source friends.
I'll bite. What is it specifically that you'd like to see changed in the GPL? You state that it needs a change as if that were obvious, so I'll assume you've got a specific change in mind, or a specific need that it should address?

Re:good idea but wrong reason (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328210)

The GPL should be less like a virus-- infecting whatever code gets close to it.

It should be more like a tiger-- going out and hunting down other code to kill.

Open Source? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328077)

> because they don't want to distance themselves
> from their open source friends

Um, you do mean free software friends right?

Re:good idea but wrong reason (3, Interesting)

Ed_Moyse (171820) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328081)

Would you care to explain why the new X licence is better then the GPL licence (which is what you imply)? I don't feel I know enough about the subject to comment either way, but when making a contentious (on /. at least) statement like that it'd be helpful if you could explain your reasoning! (And I'm curious anyway ;-) )

Re:good idea but wrong reason (5, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328097)

Try reading for once, GPL version 3 is supposed to take into account the incompatiblities with the new Apache License, and xfree86 4.4 new license. Then again it isn't out yet either.

Call me lazy (1)

headbulb (534102) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328146)

What is it that is in the gpl and X license, That is incompatble? That is the issue right?

I don't feel like reading pages of both to find
out, and I have the feeling many slashdotters don't either.

As for Y-windows, last I looked I like it. Heres hoping that it will take off. Its like x But with builtin widgets.

diversity is good (2, Insightful)

deadmongrel (621467) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328177)

Yeah GPL and Xfree 4.4 may not be compatible with each other. but that doesn't mean one has to change for the other. that applies to both Xfree and GPL. If someone is starting a fork or a brand new project that doensn't mean its necessarily bad. Diversity is good. just like we have KDE and GNOME its better to have alternatives. Just my thought.

Re:good idea but wrong reason (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328259)

Isn't this the reason people switched to X to start? I am having trouble remembering now, but didn't X replace motif because of license issues? Maybe it's time to do that again?

Shouldn't that Be just Y-------- (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328015)

Y-dash would be more internationally accepted, Windows being trademarked and all. I'm surprised X can be used internationally, given the recent Lin---- news.

Not his masters degree (1)

Rico_za (702279) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328022)

Y, Mark Thomas's final year project for his masters degree

Nope, actually it was his final year project for his bachelors degree, ie his fouth year project.

Re:Not his masters degree (2, Informative)

David McBride (183571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328218)

Strictly speaking, we were doing a four-year undergraduate degree which resulted in a Masters award at the end.

Re:Not his masters degree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328283)

Most bachelor degrees in the UK are three years.

Plus, it says here:
That it was for his masters. Which would make it his fourth year project.

Re:Not his masters degree (2, Interesting)

radish (98371) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328298)

Actually, I'm guessing it was a Masters. The way it works at Imperial (where Mark, and I, went), you can do either a 3 years course and walk out with a BEng (Bachelor of Engineering) or do an extra year and get an MEng (Master of Engineering). Both are "first" degrees, and so might be called Bachelors in some parts of the world, but you get a Masters certificate, so it's a Masters. The more traditional way of getting a Masters in the UK is to go back to university some time after completing your original Bachelors degree and do a short (1-2 years) "conversion" course, usually in a different subject. At Imperial, people who do this can be distinguished because they get an MSc (Master of Science) rather than an MEng. In my experience they also tended to be french. But I'm not sure why that was ;)

Yawn.... (5, Funny)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328051)

Wake me up when we get to Z-windows...

Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328056)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your nigger will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.


You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately on unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.


Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat


Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.


Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.


Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 55 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.


Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include:

1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing.

2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one).

3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit.

4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.

5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.


Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.



Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?


They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.


Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).


Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.


A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".


What you have there is a "wigger".


They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it.


And you were expecting what?


This is normal.


Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.


I don't really understand the question ("better quality of nigger"...?WTF?)

Y's installed (who's on first?) (3, Funny)

zapp (201236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328072)

1: Do you use X on linux?
2: No. Y.
1: I was just wondering, what do you use?
2: Y!
1: I'm just curious, now will you please tell me what you use if you don't use X?
2: Y!

ok, that was sorta lame, how about...

tech Support: What desktop environment do you use?
user: ummm why?
tech: You use Y? Ok, so what you wanna do is...
user: What? I don't know what you're talking about.

Bogey! (-1, Offtopic)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328074)

But will it fix that dirty big green bogey on the Slashdot main page?

Call to Programmers (5, Interesting)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328085)

Thank God. Finally, someone has decided to quit bitching about X Window and finally implement a system of their own.

For any programmers out there that are even remotely interested in getting Linux On The Desktop, consider this a call. A super-awesome rock solid kernel cannot be the end-all be-all for Linux. We need to have a good windowing system, one that's faster and more reliable than the competition. From what I know, X Window could use a great amount of improvement in those areas. This is your chance to make things better, and Get It Right The First Time.


I wonder. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328088)

How much work it will take to get KDE on this thing. Should be a case of hacking Qt a bit.

YDE sounds much better than KDE as well!

Homework!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328102)

I did enough homework of my own already...I'm not about to help somebody else do theirs! ;-)

Google is your friend (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328133)

Cache []

My, aren't we opportunistic. (4, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328144)

Three points:

a)it looks like the only reason development started again was because of all the Xfree86 licensing hubbub(which isn't going to be around much longer, because Xfree86 will most likely cave). If the project did not have the merits to succeed before, I do not see how things have changed in such a way that it will be successful long-term, and this was a blatant "look at me" attempt. Y was dead, FreeDesktop was humming along quietly.

b)Most of the "I'm going to replace Xwindows" projects are doing so because its supposedly "slow" and "bloated", and we see a large number of posts in every Xwindows-related story on slashdot claiming the same thing. Most of them are wrong.

c)We already have an interesting, viable alternative(FreeDesktop)...and it's got heavy involvement with the major developers of Gnome and KDE, the two most popular desktop systems. Everyone is playing Chicken with Xfree86, while hedging their bet(and strengthening their position with Xfree86) by starting work with FreeDesktop. Y is nowhere to be seen in all of this, especially if it's only got one guy- versus a whole group of some of the best Linux programmers around.

About Y (5, Informative)

scishop (622414) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328150)

Taken from their site:

About Y

I've got tired with the state of desktop GNU/Linux. Most of the problems that I see with it can be traced back to the underlying window system, X. So I decided to write its successor...

Y was my final year project for my masters degree at the Department of Computing, Imperial College, London. I set out to design and begin the implementation of a modern windowing system. The Y design has the following features:

Network Transparency

Contrary to popular belief, supporting network transparency does not reduce the speed of the window system on local hosts. Further, with Y's in-server knowledge of widgets, applications run over a slow network can appear almost as responsive as local applications (especially when compared to an X application).

Modularity (plug-in style: dynamically unloadable and reloadable)

Unload an old video driver, load a new version. On the fly. No restart in sight.

In-server implementation of widgets

Y specifies a core set of widget classes. Objects of these classes are stored in the server, where they are closer to the user and thus more responsive from the user's point of view.

Consistency and Themeability

Y widgets use the currently loaded theme to render themselves. Since all server widgets are using the same theme, all widgets appear consistent throughout the desktop. Client applications can also use the theme's drawing operations, allowing specialised widgets to make themselves fit in with the look-and-feel.

Support for hardware acceleration

The Y design can make use of hardware acceleration to speed up rendering operations. This can even include the use of 3D-accelerators' textures to draw windows with (someone has already implemented a prototype of this which is very smooth).

Better internationalisation, localisation, and accessiblity

In-server widgets means there can be exactly one current language, one complex input method system for languages that require them, and one set of accessibility features.

Some more information can be found in my individual project report. If you have any more questions, ask them on the appropriate mailing list.

The current implementation is, however, very basic. It needs a lot more work before it will be usable on a day-to-day basis.

What sort of compatibility? (4, Insightful)

nsayer (86181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328156)

For the folks asking "What's wrong with X?", I suggest you seek out the X windows chapter of that seminal work on the subject, "The Unix Haters Handbook" by Simson Garfinkel, et al.

Me? I take a cue or two from the output of 'xdpyinfo'. When something requires more than 20 different extensions to fit in the modern world, it's perhaps time for a re-think.

But if Y is going to work, the some level of backwards compatibility might be reasonably expected. Personally, I would suggest library level shimming rather than protocol level (that is, Y windows should come with a libX11 that implements the X API but talks to a Y server).

I'm a little surprised, in fact, that Apple didn't do such a thing for OS X. Rather than toss in an X server, they could have supplied a libX11 that simply implemented all of the calls in DPDF. One less bell to answer, one less egg to fry.

An X server is still nice for remote display situations, but honestly: Who does that anymore (and could they not be accomodated with VNC)?

Common toolkit (4, Interesting)

tttonyyy (726776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328166)

Fantastic. New users find the selection of different toolkits for X confusing and inconsistent both in appearance and behaviour. One standard toolkit will help with newbie usability greatly - though whether it will stand the test of time remains to be seen. Windows seems to be doing just fine with it's standards though, so I rather suspect the same will apply to Y.

There is nothing like a little competition to hot things up - perhaps this will also give the languid Xfree86 project the kick up the backside it needs.

I wish the Y project the best of luck!

Yet Another Amusingly-Named X Replacement (5, Interesting)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328173)

So why is it going to succeed where these failed? :
fresco []
YAX [] (Y Ain't X)
The Y Window System []
Oh never mind. What's the point?

y windows (2, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328184)

wait, every time i sit down in from of my M$ windows machince i ask, why windows?

More wisdom about windowing systems under UNIX... (-1, Troll)

FrankNFurter (89904) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328201)

...can be found here. []

name change suggestion... (4, Funny)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328237)

YINX (y is not xwindows)


Re:name change suggestion... (1)

nicodietrich (723545) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328264)

but yinx must stand for: yinx is not xwindows

Anyone else hate the term "X Windows"? (1)

Stalin (13415) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328242)

The X Window System is a network transparent window system which runs on a wide range of computing and graphics machines. It should be relatively straightforward to build the X Consortium software distribution on most ANSI C and POSIX compliant systems. Commercial implementations are also available for a wide range of platforms. The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when referring to this software: X X Window System X Version 11 X Window System, Version 11 X11 X Window System is a trademark of X Consortium, Inc.
I don't see the term "X Windows" in that list.

Darl Mcbride (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328263)

Apparently, Darl's brother David is thanked in the Acknowledgements for setting up the project machine!

Watch out Y!!!

Who? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8328271)

So how is Mark Thomas and why should we care about this? New GUIs are a dime a dozen these days. Unless he's the same Mark Thomas that is the comedian/satirist why should we care?

Oh whoopy. It's yet another GUI system that will die a slow lingering death because nobody will actually use it... X is slow, crufty and old but it works and is supported.

Can anybody say bad publicity attempt for a random project?

nvidia (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328300)

And how long will Y windows (lame name, i'm sorry) wait before they get NVidia drivers? Or will the X drivers be compatible?

in any case, this does seem more than a little interesting, especially from the standpoint of someone who would like to hack X but is a bit daunted by the vastness of it.

Encouraging (5, Insightful)

DA_MAN_DA_MYTH (182037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8328301)

I would encourage students to look through the source code. To grasp and understand what goes on behind the scenes for a windowing system, before the project gets enormous. Besides the tar file is pretty small, maybe you can contribute while the project is in it's infancy and not intimidating.
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