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Title Fight For Best All-Time Game Scheduled

simoniker posted more than 9 years ago | from the duke-em-out dept.

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Decaffeinated Jedi writes "Title Fight: The Ultimate Gaming Grudge -- a tournament in which gamers can vote to determine the greatest game of all time -- is underway at GameSpy. The rules for the tournament are simple: '64 games enter, one game leaves.' Polls are now open for the qualifying round, allowing gamers to choose titles from a wide range of genres that will eventually comprise approximately half of the 64-game final bracket. Qualifying will last until February 22, and first-round voting will begin on February 23." This is somewhat reminiscent of the GameFAQs Character Battle tournaments, but featuring entire games, not just videogame characters - predictions for the finalists and overall winner are welcome.

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A Better Story (-1)

users.pl (689022) | more than 9 years ago | (#8342802)

Remembering Goatse.cx: How Did It Affect You?

users.pl writes "As a Slashdot troll, I very rarely have anything serious to say. I accept my terrible karma as a fact of life and post my nonsense when able to. But this time I am serious. It's been some time since the infamous goatse.cx was taken down. While not the most glorious of Slashdot traditions, there are very few among us who haven't graced it's image. How did it affect you the first time you saw it? Your friends? Your family? Whether you loved or hated goatse, it was undeniably a part of Slashdot's culture and it should be commemorated. By commemorating this formerly vibrant Slashdot troll tradition, we can hopefully remember goatse in a positive way and find ways to move on and get over the loss."

I hope the community can see past my trolling nature to accept this as the serious exploration of the sociological characteristics of Slashdot that it is.

Gamespy Voters Need Sanity (4, Insightful)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 9 years ago | (#8342829)

I mean really, just go look at the qualifying 'fights'. Among prominent losers:

X-COM: UFO Defense Nethack The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past

and so on.

Re:Gamespy Voters Need Sanity (4, Insightful)

Vaevictis666 (680137) | more than 9 years ago | (#8342945)

This is what happens when you're voting for "best from a category" - if they had done a 20-vote multiselect on the whole list rather than radio boxes on the categories, yes it would've come out different.

OTOH, keep in mind that this is just for half the spots - I'd be surprised if none of the 2nd-runners-up made it into the final 64 in staff picks.

Well, since it's Gamespy (5, Insightful)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 9 years ago | (#8342954)

And since Gamespy skews towards newer gamers against Nintendo, my guess is on a GTA3 victory.

As for Nethack under text adventures, well, it doesn't have any graphics?

That or Gamespy is stupid.

Probably the latter.

Trust me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8342964)

Vote Final Fantasy VII or you will die.

Re:Trust me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343008)

Bah! Everyone knows the series peaked at 6

Re:Trust me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343028)

Oh jesus, you must be kidding.

This is impossible (4, Insightful)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343006)

How can you group fighting games, RPG, sports, action and everything else in between with one pool of good games.

Not to mention the different age groups.

Catagorization Issues? (4, Insightful)

Cebu (161017) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343017)

The initial qualifying polls seem to show a certain limiting view already. How this claim to be anywhere close to a good measure of "greatest videogame of all time"?

Granted I do realize this isn't at all serious, but having such odd catagorizations for the initial polls seems odd. We have such wonderfully unrelated qualifying polls such as "8-bit / 16-bit platformers" versus "Mario series" and "Mario Kart series". They want to know which "Pokemon series" game we love the most (or possibly hate the most, or have even seen). Who said anything about "Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series" games being some of the best games of all time?

Strange....

Re:Catagorization Issues? (1)

KeeperS (728100) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343169)

Agreed. If it's not that serious, they should just choose their favorite 64 games to start with. After all, everyone has their own personal favorite game, and GameSpy couldn't possibly include them all for qualifying.

At least the GameFAQs character battles don't try and fool anyone into thinking they're actually measuring the best game characters ever. They're pretty much unashamed popularity contests, but it's still interesting to see how people vote.

Elder Scrolls? (4, Insightful)

(trb001) (224998) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343032)

I don't see a category that Morrowind would fall under. Granted, it's a new(er) game, but without a doubt one of the most open ended, longest, replayable and fun RPGs I've ever played.

--trb

Re:Elder Scrolls? (3, Insightful)

drewmca (611245) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345375)

I'll give you longest, replayable, and open-ended. It's all that. It's just not fun to actually play.

The winner will be recent. (5, Interesting)

Jodiamonds (226053) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343051)

Because there are more and more gamers as each year goes by, the winner is extremely likely to be one of the more recent games to come out, just due to the population explosion.

You can bet 8-bit games won't win this one, while something like Grand Theft Auto has a huge audience to vote for it (even if only a relatively small percent actually vote).

Statistical fun (2, Insightful)

OgdEnigmaX (535667) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343287)

Good point. Now, if Gamespy could record and make the age breakdown of the voting block publicly available, there'd be a lot of fun statisticking to be done.

"Looking at the data here, it's no surprise at all that so few voted for Missile Command [klov.com], only such-and-such percent of the voters were even *alive*, let alone of gaming age, when that was in popular circulation!"

and what's wrong with that? (4, Insightful)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344447)

GTA3 and Vice city were Really Good games. Just because you may think that an 8-bit game is better back in the day doesn't mean that nothing will ever supercede it.

I can see this same logic applied to FPS games back when Half-Life came out: "Well, just because half-life came out this year it's going to get all the awards while Wolf3D is really a good game as well." Yeah! No shit newer games may get awards...could it be possible that they are...better?!?!

Re:and what's wrong with that? (2, Informative)

OgdEnigmaX (535667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345644)

I believe the point is that the playing field is skewed by the age of the readership and thus what they've been exposed to. It is certainly *possible*, and in many cases true, that many newer games are better than their older counterparts...but you can't trust someone without working familiarity with (or even awareness of) all games in a given category to be able to choose the best of them. If I say that The Maltese Falcon is a far superior film to Casablanca, it's a totally meaningless claim because I haven't seen either of them.

Re:and what's wrong with that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8345695)

"If I say that The Maltese Falcon is a far superior film to Casablanca, it's a totally meaningless claim because I haven't seen either of them."

You poor man. Run right out to the videostore.

Castlevania (1)

GreenHell (209242) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343067)

Not to be picky (ok, I am being picky), but their Castlevania listing is hardly complete.

I can remember playing a Castlevania on the original GameBoy which isn't listed there, and wasn't there one for N64?

Gamespy should know better than to skimp on things when catering to the obsessive set that is gamers.

Re:Castlevania (1)

johannesg (664142) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345366)

I would sort of expect the MSX2 version to be there. It was, after all, the _very first_ of the series...

missing titles (4, Informative)

an_mo (175299) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343076)

spacesims: missing freespace 2
I also couldn't find descent, the best game ever

Re:missing titles (4, Insightful)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343130)

If Freespace 2 isn't one of the staff picks (It got a Editor's Choice award IIRC), this poll instantly loses all meaning.

"DIVE DIVE DIVE! HIT YOUR BURNERS, PILOT!"

Re:missing titles (1)

WTFmonkey (652603) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343910)

WHy isn't Freespace 2 on sale anywhere for less than like $50? People are asking $79 and $99 on amazon.com's used pages. What gives?

Any greatest game competition... (1)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344080)

that doesn't even include Super Metroid is completely invalid.

Re:Any greatest game competition... (1)

fredrikj (629833) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344324)

Any greatest game competition that doesn't even include Super Metroid is completely invalid.

Seconded.

"best X of all time" contests are lame (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343086)

These kinds of contests are rediculous.

Game experiences are so relative to the gamer, and there are so many conflicting genres, you can't possibly chose any "best game of all time".

You might get away with a genre based "best of all time" contest at least, but even then you're really not going to find one pinnacle title because so many others do different things well.

Re:"best X of all time" contests are lame (2, Insightful)

Alkaiser (114022) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344867)

Did you expect anything less of Gamespy? Especially AFTER they merged with IGN? The Best X of All Time articles makes up 95% of the stuff that comes out of Gamespy.

Shows my age I suppose (1)

Captain Rotundo (165816) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343141)

I am not that old, but I can clearly see that the demo for gamespy is younger than I.

There is no WAY Grim Fandango should beat Maniac Mansion. just NO WAY!

Re:Shows my age I suppose (1)

Captain Rotundo (165816) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343208)

as I read on it becomes more absurd.

Gabriel Knight beating Kings Quest 4 ? - That is a travesty, I played teh Gabrial Knight II game and it sucked compared to the earlier sierra titles.

And of course reading that Symphony of the Night is beating Simon's Quest makes me want to give on on society and move off into the woods.
There is no competition here.... one of the glaring problems with the Castlevania series has been that its all down hill since Simon's Quest.... cleary the majority of voters jsut don't remember.

Re:Shows my age I suppose (1)

imitier (674794) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343595)

Where is Loom among the adventure games? That's the real travesty.

And I'm not sure why Symphony of the Night handily beating all comers makes you want to move to the woods. One, I think it's generally acknowledged that SOTN is the most popular Castlevania (at least, there's still a pretty involved community devoted to exploring the game, finding new areas, items, glitches, etc.) Two, have you played SOTN recently? It's better in some many ways by so many levels than Simon's Quest (the 2d best Castlevania) that it's not even close. Obviously that's just my opinion, but I think that of my various opinions that's one that's closer to objective truth than many of the others. Not to detract from Simon's Quest, but SOTN just does so much more -- I always think of SOTN being like a Super Metroid (SNES) treatment of the earlier Castlevanias. Metroid (NES) is a great game, and certainly has its place, but Super Metroid (SNES) just expanded on its predecessor in all the right ways. SOTN is the same kind of expansion of earlier Castlevanias.

Re:Shows my age I suppose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8344708)

I have fond, fond memories of Simons Quest, but what Symphony of the Night did, in the dawn of 3D gaming, cannot be seen as anything but amazing.

The control, overall design, and replayability of that game is a definite pinnicle of 2D gaming, regardless of what series it belongs to. I can totally understand how it would defeat Simons Quest, despite the fact that Simons Quest was a pinnicle of the Castlevania series.

We should be lucky for that series in the first place. Not only does it have multiple high points throughout it's lifetime, but it's also one of the only ones to continue to excersize excellence in 2D. (What I mean is, despite their failures in the 3D versions of the game, they haven't abandoned side-scrolling like many other classic series have).

There are some seriously flawed decisions in this rediculous Gamespy article, but SotN is really something to celebrate.

My prediction (3, Insightful)

Cecil (37810) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343164)

I predict the final to be a bitter, violent battle to the death between the Final Fantasy 7 Fanbois, and the Diablo 2 Drones. I don't think that any other two genres have a strong enough support foundation to make it. And those two specific games are the ones handily leading those genres at the moment.

And I don't think it really needs to be said, but this poll, along with anything coming out of GameSpy makes Slashdot polls look scientific.

Approval voting is such an underutilized concept. It makes sense in most cases in my opinion, but at the very least, it makes sense to narrow down large fields into smaller ones for more targetted voting. What a waste. X-COM should really get at least into the semi-finals, but I suspect it won't even make the qualifiers.

Re:My prediction (2, Interesting)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343213)

It was extremely disappointing to see FF7 beating FF6 so handily. Kids these days and their "3-D characters". Bah, I say.

Re:My prediction (1)

KeeperS (728100) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343303)

On the other hand, if it was just about graphics, FFX or X-2 would have easily won. Obviously people aren't just voting for FF7's "ohhhh, shiney" factor, because there's plenty of other shinier FFs these days. Of course, I was somewhat annoyed that Final Fantasy Tactics was nowhere to be found. Oh well.

Re:My prediction (1)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343359)

There's only so much utter shit in plot terms that even the ADD-inflicted Square Kiddies* can tolerate. FF6 had an outstanding story, FF7 a good one, and the later ones were bah.

*To be distinguished from the many intelligent, rational fans. I think everyone knows someone like whom I'm talking about.

Re:My prediction (3, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343747)

Well, to the kiddies today, 1999's Final Fantasy 7 is "nostalgia."

I used to babysit a kid and I asked him if he ever played the original Super Mario Bros. He said "Yeah! I own it!" and he put it in the machine. Sure enough, on the screen comes "It's-a-me... Mahhhhhrio!" - he thought Super Mario 64 was the original Super Mario game!

Re:My prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343948)

FF7 fanboys are self-delusional. For example, claiming that FF7 had the best graphics of its time, which I've actually seen some claim, is an obvious falsehood, whether it's intentional or not. It's a symptom of fanboyism, however, that one would make such a claim to bolster one's own belief that a particular game is the best. The belief becomes self-perpetuating, and any attempts to dissuade the fanboy actually increase his fanaticism. When multiple fanboys are together, there is a multiplier effect that sustains each fanboy's fanaticism at a high level. The best thing we can do for them all is to quarantine them in their own little corner of the web (game website forums) until they tire of the game on their own, one by one, and rejoin gamer society.

Diablo 2 drones, on the other hand, do not suffer from the same ailments as FF7 fanboys. D2 fans are victims of a psychological addiction that compels them to play what is otherwise one of the most boring games ever in almost futile quests for stat-boosting items. It's a Skinner box, plain and simple. Eventually, they also tire of the game and return to gamer society.

Note that there are plenty of well-adjusted people who enjoyed one or both of those games, but I'm not talking about well-adjusted people. IANAPsychologist. I intended this to be at least slightly amusing, but now that I look at it I'm pretty sure this counts as flamebait. I don't mind. Mod it down. :)

I am probably an elitist bastard, but (1, Insightful)

Flyboy Connor (741764) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343182)

...I don't think the gaming public is qualified to choose the best game of all time.

Re:I am probably an elitist bastard, but (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343782)

...I don't think the gaming public is qualified to choose the best game of all time.

yes. let's leave it to the "professionals" at GameSpy (ha).

Incredible (2, Insightful)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343278)

I just went through all 34 categories, and never once did I pick the winning game.

(Note: In some categories, I didn't vote because I hadn't played enough of the games.)

Mega Man 2 beat by Mega Man X?
Civ2 beat by Civ3?
Quake 3 beat by Quake 2?

Gabriel Knight outperforming Kings Quest's IV-VI combined?
Ultima Online as the best Ultima?

I knew Gamespy readers were dumb, but wow.

Re:Incredible (1)

Alkaiser (114022) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345140)

Any ONE person who votes Civ 3 better than Civ 2 is a travesty.

Re:Incredible (1)

Rone (46994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345783)

Any ONE person who votes Civ 3 better than Civ 2 is a travesty.

Sorry, but the lack of borders in Civ 2 almost completely undermine the game. You can have had fortified soldiers within 2 squares of a city for dozens of turns, but the second that the AI decides to build a city within 2 squares of the soldiers, the computer gets to force you to move, or else YOU are held responsible for breaking the peace treaty.

Civ 2 did a few things better than 3 (I never got tired of the high council or wonder movies), but the lack of borders absolutely sucked.

FF7 (1)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343282)

I hardly think FF7 is the best game ever produced, but I'm calling it right now...there's just so many tifa fanboys it's GOTTA win. Personally, I think the laurels should go to Mario 64. Sure, I think there are a lot of games that are more technically impressive (Halo), have better stories (FF6 / FFX), but Mario 64 is really what bridged the gap for me between 2D and 3D gaming. Everything about it, from the new controller to it's vivid 3d world was just amazing to me. I really have some great memories of staying up all night with my friends, trading off, trying to beat that damn penguin. To me, the measure of a truly great game is not how much fun it is years later, but how revolutionary it was at the time.

Re:FF7 (1)

OmegaWeaponE (754944) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343352)

Wow...for me it is so difficult for me even to begin as to which is the best game of all-time is...there have been so many great games over the years...i cant choose...i wouldn't be suprised if it were a mario game though. Over the years, maroi games have been favored by many because of its incerdibly simple yet incredibly fun gameplay...

Even for a "Best Game" poll, this is retarded (5, Insightful)

Mirkon (618432) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343301)

Honestly, it would have been difficult to do a worse job on the qualifying crap. How can you take a single Final Fantasy on one hand, then use the other to decide between Diablo and its own sequel? How is it that only one among the Marios or Zeldas will progress, while an Age of Empires or GTA3/VC is guaranteed qualification? How can you put Chrono Trigger, River City Ransom, and Perfect Dark in the "potpurri" category?

And considering it was mentioned on the front article page, where the hell is Starcraft?

Re:Even for a "Best Game" poll, this is retarded (1)

Ondo (187980) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343409)

And considering it was mentioned on the front article page, where the hell is Starcraft?

It's in already, of course. The qualifying is only for about half the spots.

Re:Even for a "Best Game" poll, this is retarded (1)

OmegaWeaponE (754944) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343449)

I can't say i disagree...I think the premise of having any game being automatically qualified is foolish...let the fans have total control over the voting...

Not fair (1)

(trb001) (224998) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343302)

Okay, did anyone else see what should have been the obvious option under Pokemon? I didn't see "None of the Above" anywhere.

--trb

Re:Not fair (2, Insightful)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343749)

The Pokemon games were really good. I'd place Pokemon red/blue under as my third or fourth favorite RPG of all time, and I didn't play it until I was 21.

Young Gamers (1)

t1nman33 (248342) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343349)

I notice that, in many cases, more recent games are winning out over the older classics. I suspect that the target demographic of this poll has something to do with this...Perfect Dark with more votes than Prince of Persia? Hmm...

Hm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343350)

Did I miss something? Almost all my favorite games aren't even mentioned. No GTA: London, no Solar Eclipse, no Rouge Leader, no Afterlife, no Die Hard Arcade. Ah, well atleast Daytona and Civilization made it on the list. And where was the 2D, 3D fighting game category? What about all the Mortal Combat/Street Fighter/SNK/Virtua Fighter fans?

How utterly pointless (1)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343417)

Let's generalize a step further:

"Best work of art ever"

Or even two:

"Best thing ever"

How can the result be meaningful to anybody or make the world a better place?

Re:How utterly pointless (1)

OmegaWeaponE (754944) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343488)

I don't think the poll was meant to hold any thing meaningful. Its just a chance for game fans to Vote on what their favorite game of all-time is...instead of argueing mindlessly over the subject...

Re:How utterly pointless (1)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343901)

I don't think the poll was meant to hold any thing meaningful. Its just a chance for game fans to Vote on what their favorite game of all-time is...instead of argueing mindlessly over the subject.

Why not do neither?

Re:How utterly pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8343984)

"Best thing ever"

Duh. Sliced bread!

Re:How utterly pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8345081)

Well, that's easy.

The best thing ever is sex and ice cream (which is, of course, a combination of the two runner-ups).

If everyone would just stop and realize this, the world WOULD be a better place.

Popularity Contest (5, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343540)

I bet if you took a poll of the best movies of all time of the moviegoers in the United States today, you would find very few instances of films released before 1990. You would find very few art-house releases. You would find very few releases without a lot of blood and / or action. In fact, you would probably find that if you did that movie poll on GameSpy, The Matrix would come out #1.

Why? Because it was popular.

No gamer who has played the genius that was Gunstar Heroes walked away without being impressed, yet the game sold relatively poorly. Now look where it is... losing to duck tales. Castlevania IV was revolutionary for its time, yet it is losing badly to Opera of Tragedy, a clear Super Metroid clone. Dracula X hardly registers on the scale, despite being a truly superior game overall, yet never having had a proper US release.

Pitting Perfect Dark against River City Ransom is like putting Bettie Davis as she is today on a stage and having her mocked by the Star Search talent of the moment for her wrinkles and her frail old body. Clearly River City Ransom didn't hold up very well to the rigors of aging, but in its day it could walk off with any player it introduced itself to. And it deserved to, too.

Many great games aren't on this list at all, yet were truly worthy contenders for their time. Gargoyle's Quest? Strider? Smash TV? Sega's Heavyweight Boxing? Teleroboxer? Einhander? Herizogs Wei? Rocket Knight Adventures? EWJ? Lunar? 7th Guest? Out of this World? Little Nemo? Skate or Die? Puzzlefighter? Tetris MUST be on there somewhere, but I have yet to find it. Castlevania 2 is obviously only under consideration because of Nepotism, but where then is Castlevania 64?

Obviously this poll is an unofficial popularity contest, and an unfortunately limited one at that. Why not just take every game in their index that got higher than a 7.5, and weed them out over the weeks to a true victor using a random distribution system rather than fixed competitors, with players given the option of "never played that." Only the games with the highest percentage of choices would advance, and the cycle would repeat.

That would be fair. This? This is going to be a popularity contest, with the prom queen coming out on top.

Re:Popularity Contest (1)

angelspit (446152) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343797)

I'm curious as to when was the last time you saw a fair poll in the gaming industry?

Re:Popularity Contest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8344612)

I'm curious as to when was the last time you saw a fair poll in the gaming industry?

I think it was best breasts.

Re:Popularity Contest (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343824)

you would find very few instances of films released before 1990.

I disagree. I think most movie snobs are actually biased AGAINST modern movies. Take "enlightened" movie people like the AFI or (haha) Harry Knowles. They gizz all over some 1932 "Frankenstein meets Tarzan" movie but don't give modern movies their props (except LOtR, which I'm sure Knowles literally masterbates to). When the AFI top 100 movies came out they were mostly films from 1960's and that era.

difficult (1)

mwheeler01 (625017) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343546)

I think it will be difficult to sort out the popular games from the good games. Sure lots of popular games are good but often the best are second or third place winners. Of course this is all just my lowly opinion, feel free to flame. Also comparing some games will be like comparing apples and oranges, you'll be able to find a pretty damn good apple and a pretty damn good orange but how will you be able to judge which is better?

Praise... (1)

OmegaWeaponE (754944) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343547)

I think the premise of having such a poll is a good way to get to the bottom line to deside what the gamers think the best game of all time is...

they missed somthing (1)

raised fist (712594) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343590)

I liked voting for the games I played in days of yore...but...i think they missed a little. With the GTA titles,..why didnt they include the two that busted out on PS1. And somthing else a little off subject..how come they didnt put any of the Mutant League titles in. ( they rule!!!)

Simplicity... (1)

OmegaWeaponE (754944) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343649)

It would be simpler to do the following, 1.Seperate the categories by specific genres such as "First person shooters" or "Sports" instead of "pokemon" and "Tony Hawk games". or 2. Let the gamers type in their favorite game...though this might be a little sloppy...

Re:Simplicity... (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343860)

Well, I think their idea was to not have 20 of the 64 games be 5 zelda, 6 mario, 6 Final Fantasy and 3 Quake games alone...

closest race (0)

WordUpCousin (735088) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343693)

The closest race I noticed between 2 games in the same category was between two 90's arcade favorites, Street Fighter 2 and TMNT.

Is there a PART 2 of the voting? I did not even see Starcraft or Madden!

Re:closest race (1)

Ondo (187980) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343921)

Is there a PART 2 of the voting? I did not even see Starcraft or Madden!

Yes. RTFA.

Re:closest race (0)

D0X (749210) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345179)

Hey thats interesting Starcraft ? Madden. You play Starcraft ? interesting do you play starCraft ? anyway Hmm What are you in Refering to ?

Game polls not like other media... (1)

Captain Rotundo (165816) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343726)

Its so difficult with game polls. They aren't like Books or Film... the tech is so intertwined with the games that anyone who comes after the tech moves on just CAN'T aprpreciate it. Music suffers from the same problem but instead of tech its a cultural thing, you like your music better than your parents because your music reflects your culture.

This christmas I got the gamecube, and the one thing that shocked me the most was how I discovered that I found the original Legend of Zelda for more engaging and entertaining, and balanced that the Ocarina of Time or Majoras Mask... Its just simply a better game.

Now with movies I can take a younger person to see 2001, or "Citizen Kane" and the film stock doesn't get in the way of the acting, story, shots etc... but my younger siblings just don't have the skills to enjoy a game that is such a huge departure from the current gameplay interface.

and yes personally I would call "The Legend of Zelda" the "Citizen Kane" of console games.

After the "competition" is over... (1)

corporate trinket (558657) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343787)

Give it a month... It'll take GS that long to mine the data and offer free versions of the winning games...oh...you mean you're not a Founder's Club member? -CT

The best way to determine your favorite is... (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343854)

Seems hard to determine which one you should vote for? Just gotta look back and choose the one you spent the most time playing and not getting bored. That's really the best single way to determine it. Maybe not if that was the _only_ game you had to play, but if you had alternatives (and reading a book counts), the game you played the most is probably the 'best.'

Re:The best way to determine your favorite is... (1)

Bambi Dee (611786) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344758)

A few of my favourite games took about an hour or three to play through and had very little replay value. Still they left an impression not unlike that of leaving a movie theatre after a particularly impressive film. (Of course, none of these [eblong.com] games [adamcadre.ac] are on the list as they're sort of ...under the radar for most.)

Re:The best way to determine your favorite is... (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345201)

Funny how many games they missed. It was quite rediculous how many they missed. I mean, just among those that made their 'game of the year' for the last couple of years.

Turn Based? Hello? (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 9 years ago | (#8343918)

I know this is just "qualifying", but if this is indeed the definitive list of games that will be used in this thing, these guys are smoking crack. An entire qualifing poll for Age of Empires (all three of them), System Shock (great games, but hardly a class unto itself), and Tony Hawk for God's sake? But no turn-based strategy? Where the hell is Master of Orion and Master of Magic? Three freaking catagories for Adventure titles, but not an RPG outside of Diablo and Final Fantasy? Where the hell are the racing or flight sim games? You're going to tell me you can have a "Greatest Games of All Time" battle without Gran Turismo 3 or Falcon 3?

Re:Turn Based? Hello? (1)

Bambi Dee (611786) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344633)

(...) but if this is indeed the definitive list of games that will be used in this thing (...)

It's not. According to the blurb on the linked page, the qualifying polls determine about half the games in the tournament. I kinda wonder where the other half is coming from, but I'll try not to care...

(...) but not an RPG outside of Diablo and Final Fantasy?

Well, they have the Ultima and Zelda series. Not Pac Man, though. Not that I consider it an RPG.

Rediculous... (4, Funny)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344187)

I wonder... What would it be like if IMDB did a poll like this...?

*wavy dream sequence lines*

Tim: "Hey, Bob, would you think Casablanca would be better under Romance or Drama?"
Bob: "Casawhatta? Why're you wasting poll space with that?"
Tim: "It's a good movie, Bob."
Bob: "But it doesn't have any special effects or hot babes."
Tim: "Ingrid Bergman has her charms."
Bob: "But she ain't got DD ya-yas, does she?"
Tim: "...I hate you, Bob."
Bob: "Shut up and get back to work on the Best Evil Dead Movie category."

Show poll results before voting = brilliant. (3, Insightful)

Teddy Beartuzzi (727169) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344282)

I mean really, what fool shows the prior results while you're voting? All it does is skew the voting. Hell, I passed over numerous categories because I could see my choice had 12 votes, and some recent crap thing I never heard of had 3400 votes.

And as mentioned here already, it's obvious most of the voters weren't even alive when the real quality games were popular.

Re:Show poll results before voting = brilliant. (1)

Bambi Dee (611786) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344469)

Like a poll can determine the "best" game. Even *if* every voter had played every game, there'll still be *many* "best", or rather: favourite, games. Oh, and neither "Zork" nor "Hitchhiker's Guide" are Infocom's best. One is in many ways the most *important*, the other is, well, the Hitchhiker game.

Re:Show poll results before voting = brilliant. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8345136)

Slashdot does...you insensitive clod!

I'm curious . . . (1)

superultra (670002) | more than 9 years ago | (#8344561)

I wonder if Bard's Tale and Prince of Persia would have made it in their potpourri list if they had not had recent remakes. At least they spelled Broderbund right.

pacman? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8344639)

where's pacman? I looked in the arcade classics, and it ain't there. no pacman option. I thought the category system was stupid, but I thought, ok, I'll deal with it.. until I saw that pacman wasn't in the list. how can they leave out pacman? I mean, pacman is even in the title graphic, but not in the poll? preposterous!!!

No Pac-Man? NO PAC-MAN?!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8344663)

What kind of game list doesn't have PAC-MAN on it? It doesn't need to win, but it turned the entire gaming world on its head when it came out! Half the reason the gaming industry is banking so much these days is owed to how many quarters such a simple game could suck in. No other game in histry has had as many licensing deals as Pac-Man has. They even made Pac-Man toilet paper for crying out loud!

Invalid survey based on poor starting selection... (1)

gmezero (4448) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345178)

this is some guy sat down and did up a list of all the popular games he could think of... There are so many games not included under many of these voting catagores that it's not even funny. Like with the "Adventure classics" listing, why wasn't Scorceror included? What about any of the popular Scott Adam's games, or Eamon Quest series... and let's not forget other graphic adventure variants from the exact same time that would go under this catagory such as any of the classic Penguin ("Transilvania", to name one) or Sierra titles.

Oh well...

Apples, oranges, and idiots. (3, Interesting)

seraph93 (560551) | more than 9 years ago | (#8345549)

Quick, everybody, which was a better game, River City Ransom or Civilization? Fallout or Quake? Castlevania or Dance Dance Revolution? Apparently the people at GameSpy don't agree with me, but I don't really think that a meaningful comparison can be made between many of the games.

GameSpy readers seem to be no brighter than the editors. For example, in the text adventure category (which Nethack does not belong in, btw), Adventure is miles ahead of Planetfall right now. A plotless game with a verb-noun parser outshining one of the best stories in all of video gaming. Nice.

And there are so many missing games! Where's Wasteland? What about Master of Orion? Rampage? Metal Slug? What about that little-known series from Nintendo, Metroid? How can anyone hold a "Best Game Ever" contest that's missing so many games, and still keep a straight face? By being GameSpy, I guess.

I suppose it shouldn't be much of a surprise to me: GameSpy sucks. Maybe it'll be good for a laugh when it's all done with. I can't wait to read the inevitable Penny Arcade strip that mocks this travesty.

Re:Apples, oranges, and idiots. (1)

hambonewilkins (739531) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345639)

Read the forums on the page. The editors are holding off on some "must be on the list" games (perhaps 32 games) that will likely include many you mention. Also, Tetris, most likely.

So, wait until that list comes out to get riled up.

Oops! Got riled up too soon! (1)

seraph93 (560551) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345762)

Ah, I see. I didn't think to check the forums. Yep, it looks like you're right:

These polls are only 34 out of the 64 games. We've already got 30 games on the list that will be revealed on Monday. A lot of the stuff that people keep saying we missed are already in the tournament.

Okay, so that's one thing I can't bitch about (until Monday anyway--Monday's a good day for bitching :), but my other point still stands: The best part of the GameSpy contest will be found on Penny Arcade. Until then, I guess I'll just have to get riled down again.

Mario Kart 64 beating Super Mario Kart?!? (1)

mmport80 (588332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345636)

How can Mario Kart 64 be more popular than Super MK. Super MK is the best game ever. MK64 is the worst in the series...

This is insane. (1)

foxtrot (14140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345666)

What graphic does Slashdot use for "Classic Games"?

What classic, that spawned almost an entire genre of sequels, ain't even on the list?

I mean, sure, there are hella great games that didn't make the list. Uniracers for the Super Nintendo isn't here, but while a really incredible game, it was obscure. I've yet to find a single Intellivision title, but okay, that was a long time ago.

But you gotta tell me, how the heck can they try to do a "Title Fight for the Best All-Time Game" and forget PAC-MAN. It's not like nobody's ever heard of it. It's not out of the depths of obscurity. I mean, sure, Fallout was a good game, but can it possibly deserve its own category when Pac Man isn't even on the list?

-JDF

The Best Game of All Time.... (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8345715)

...as voted by readers (gawpers? droolers?) of GameSpy. Can you see the inherent flaw in this plan?

I say again, no more fucking GameSpy non-stories. We don't want to give them *more* ad revenue.
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