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Internet Job Boards a Bunch of Hype?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the making-the-want-ads-look-good-by-comparison dept.

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netglen brings us an article that discusses the reality behind online job sites like Monster, Hotjobs, and CareerBuilder. It appears that, while these sites may try to make you believe otherwise, they may not be the best bet in helping you find employment. netglen asks: "So, is this article accurate in its account on how poor these boards perform in finding [jobs]? This sounds pretty dismal to me. Two years ago, I tried Monster for the first time, and I managed to get a job on the first try. Since then I haven't gotten anything. Does anyone in IT even use these boards to look for a job?"

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hrm, I disagree. (5, Insightful)

tedtimmons (97599) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343338)

C'mon, look at the context. The name of the site is asktheheadhunter.com. Whose interests do they have in mind?

Also, more obvious, is the job market isn't what it used to be. Sure, it's harder to get a job now than it was a few years ago. But that doesn't mean that monster and the like aren't useful.

Now if netglen said "I compared Monster to my local papers' classifieds, and to the headhunters, and got a better response rate from the headhunters", that would be useful. Maybe netglen doesn't have any marketable skills. That doesn't mean monster isn't helpful.

The experience of myself and others I know is that job boards are better than headhunters, worse than going directly to a company's website. Most of us won't even talk to headhunters- they overpromise and overhype. Now that's irony, because that's what they say about the job boards.

Re:hrm, I disagree. (5, Interesting)

matad0r (213559) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343545)

I was laid off back in June of last year when the company I worked for for 7 years decided to up and move to Chicago and I chose not to.

My experience during the 6 months of unemployment that followed was that headhunters and huge job websites were about equally useless.

The job sites kept sending me nothing but "work at home" jobs (probably stuffing envelopes or telemarketing or something else distasteful.) The headhunters (when I could get one to return my calls, that is) sent me nothing but low-paying entry-level jobs that didn't interest me at all.

What finally worked for me was aggressively working my personal network of IT people I had met over the years. After only about a month of that, I had two offers to choose from, both for jobs that had never been published in any newspaper or website.

Bottom line: while I wouldn't recommend discounting the websites and headhunters altogether, I certainly wouldn't rely on them.

Re:hrm, I disagree. (2)

jhoger (519683) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343581)

My experience is that the only contact I get from sites like Dice and Monster are from headhunters.

All my best leads on new contracts have come from friends or customers. Every once in a while I've gotten a call from a headhunter but it has never led to anything.

-- John.

Headhunters use job boards (4, Interesting)

Stone316 (629009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343615)

2 years ago a headhunter saw my resume on monster.ca and gave me call. In the end I got a job for a company I was dying to work for.

I would say that job boards make it even easier for headhunters to find people.

Local Job Boards (5, Interesting)

Dareth (47614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343629)

Many cites have local job boards. I found more real job offers and less "GET RICH NOW! BE YOUR OWN BOSS!" crap on the one for my city.

If you are not interested in relocating, this can help. As always though, networking thru friends/relations is best.

Re:hrm, I disagree. (5, Informative)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343636)

Well if you're going to look at the context, you may as well look at the article.

You can't compare most newspaper job listings to online job boards because most newspaper job listings are run by the same job board.

The article is very fair, provides information that I did not have access to otherwise, and does not promote headhunters in any way. The only thing it promotes is (shocker) finding jobs via personal networking.

Teens4Christ is all the hype (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343339)

Everyone else is just tripe

My Personal Experience (5, Interesting)

abcxyz (142455) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343341)

I was a Sr. Oracle DBA, working for contract electronics manufacturing firm (CEM). We specialized (unfortunately) in Telcom, and the group I was with was in fact outsourced from a large telecommunications company. With the industry turn down, a number of the CEM sites were force to close and ours in North Carolina was one of them.

I had posted my resume on Monster, Hotjobs and Dice at the time -- actually about 2 months earlier to sort of feel out the market. Didn't want to leave early, since there were serious incentives to stay through your scheduled termination date. About 2 weeks prior to my last day I was approached by a local recruiting agency with an opportunity for a DBA with OpenVMS skills. Interviewed and was hired and started with them about a month later. Talked with the recruiter and they indicated they had found my resume on jobs.com which is Monster.

So I guess I had a positive experience with them, but this was in March of 2002.The unfortunate thing is that I now get what I consider spam from hotjobs, havent' been able to get off their email lists, and I now just let Mozilla dump them automatically in the spam bucked.

True story! (5, Interesting)

Maradine (194191) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343342)

True story.

My first (and only) shot at Monster was in August of 2000. I was getting sick of my $13.50/hr sysadmin job, so I posted to Monster on a whim. I had a call from the recruiting department of a global consultancy within 20 minutes. They offered me 55 up front. I didn't even really negotiate. Moved 300 miles to take it.

The punchline? We all got laid off in January. The Company disolved in June.

Use at your own peril? :)

Re:True story! (5, Interesting)

Mick Ohrberg (744441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343398)

I had a little more luck :)

March 14th of 2003 I was laid off from a company I had worked at for more than 2 years. Seeing as how the economy was still very shaky then, I settled in with the idea that I would be unemployed for a long time. I put my resume on Monster (among [many] other sites), and on April 14th, exactly one month later, I started a new job that I got through Monster. Lateral pay move, even. It worked for me!

Re:True story! (5, Interesting)

MouseR (3264) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343482)

That's true of any new job, and does not necessarily involves job recruitment companies.

I work in Montreal, in a company that, before being bought by a big US multi-national, was doing OK when one of our co-workers was lured at ZeroKnowledge. Remember them?

Months later, he had ZeroEmployment.

The company he feared was going down is now a multi-national and he's out of the loop.

Sometimes, your worse enemy is yourself.

Re:True story! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343568)

So, you're saying that you could have stayed in your $13.50/hr job instead of using Monster and still had a job?

You do realize that if you'd kept living to the same standard as you were with the previous job, you could go 2+ years unemployed now and still be ahead.

Re:True story! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343582)

I wouldn't call that a bad outcome. I mean, that's three and a half years of good employment. Or did you mean you were laid off the following January, in which case yes, that totally sucks.

Stuff like that happens no matter how you got the job tho.

Craigslist (2, Troll)

egg troll (515396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343354)

I have found that the best place to find places (especially in the Bay Area) is Craigslist.org [craigslist.org] . Its the first place that everyone I know checks - and not just for jobs, but for housing, cars, and relationships! ;)

MOD PARENT UP PLEASE (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343421)

He maketh a very good point!

Sintherely,

All Mac userths.

Re:Craigslist (4, Informative)

savagedome (742194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343435)

Not just the Bay Area but even upstate NY. My friend's brother, who had just graduated was looking for a job. Needless to say that he was submitting his resume' all over the place. Finally, somebody tipped him off about Craiglist.org and bam. First interview, he got right in.
Moral: Craiglist is not just for the Bay Area but works elsewhere too.

Re:Craigslist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343474)

Who do you know?
No one I know ever heard of it?

Re:Craigslist (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343487)

yep. check out the site, I think they have about 20 "local" versions for different big cities.

Re:Craigslist (4, Interesting)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343490)

I've found Craigslist borderline useless in SoCal. Dice has always gotten the best response for me, though their job search engine sucks. Yahoo's (HotJobs) job search engine is the best (allows such things as saving interesting jobs during search for later review and applications), but has almost as low a response rate as Monster for me.

Maybe it's the impacted market, or maybe it's the ease with which people can apply online with generic form letters and overstated resumes, but I suspect that a lot of employers aren't nearly as interested in the online sites as they once were.

Re:Craigslist (1)

HeelToe (615905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343562)

Dude. TEN YEARS. TEN!

Re:Craigslist (3, Insightful)

ThingOne (578618) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343524)

While I know lots of people are already aware of craigslist. I believe you ruin the usability if too many people starting using it. Just like earlier mentions of monster.com. It was good at first until everybody found out about it. Now for the downhill spiral of craigslist.

Post a resume (4, Insightful)

Geeyzus (99967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343357)

The only responses I've ever gotten from these boards was not from replying to a job posting, but posting my own resume and letting them come to me. It's easy, and IMO the best way to find jobs via those kinds of job boards.

Mark

Direct approach (2, Interesting)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343570)

When I was looking for a job last spring in the New York and/or Boston areas, I decided to take the direct route and mail my resume to companies/organizations that I would want to work for. I was looking in biomedical engineering, research, and medical fields. So I mailed out 500 resumes. It took me a few weeks to print the letters, labels, and fold/seal/stamp them all, but you know what happened?

NOTHING! 500 resumes sent out, with research experience in college, experience in the medical field, adept at programming. I got around 50-70 "Thank you for sending us your resume...." letters. I got one interview, and it wasn't even for a programming job.

My experience is that if you dont have a lot of experience, like me at the time, one year out of college, you'll have a hard time finding a job no matter where you look. Especially if the economy is bad. Since I couldn't find anything in the NY area, I had to convince my fiance to not accept an job at the NYU medical center, just so i could stay in my current insurance job.

Of course AFTER i decide to stay, I've had requests for interviews. It's kind of painful to tell them "No.. I'm sorry, I can't interview for a biomedical research position working in my field of interest at Columbia University. Yeah, even if tuition for graduate school is included. And yes, even for that salary"

Keeping my wife happy is job enough, and definitely worth it. I now know to be patient until the economy is better. There's always a better chance of finding a job when there are more of them.

HR people don't like them. (5, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343363)


My employer hasn't posted to any of those boards for ages.

Unqualified people from all over the world would apply for jobs they were obviously not suitable for yet HR has to keep all resumes on file for $FOO years (I forget the number)

They went from being a good tool to something that generated more work & filing than they were worth.

(This from a casual conversation with one of our HR people)

Re:HR people don't like them. (2, Interesting)

johnkoer (163434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343589)

When I was looking for a job late last year (lucky me, I found one) I was talking with an HR person and she told me that for every job they post they get 200+ resumes within a few days.

I find the boards very useful and I only apply for jobs that I think I have the right qualifications for, but I have seen some people run a query on a general keyword (i.e. Developer, Programmer, Analyst, ...) and submit their resume without even reading the job spec. I guess when you are not working you have a lot more time to spending clicking that little submit button.

Well, help yourself, right? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343370)

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Please (5, Insightful)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343373)

Those online job sites are so filled with contract positions and work at home garbage that it's frustrating to do any kind of real search. The local newspaper uses career builder which is a little better because it's stocked with real classified ads that appear in the newspaper. Better to stick to something local than some national job search scam.

No. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343375)

No, most IT people go to job sites that aren't job sites [like craigslist] which are under the radar enough not to be innundated with

- non-local job postings

- spam

- headhunting agencies getting contacts without offering jobs

- idiotic HR drone job postings

Craigslist (4, Interesting)

yohaas (228469) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343376)

Craigslist [craigslist.org] worked for me on my recent job search. In less than two weeks I got 3 interviews and an offer (which I took) from the job section.

Hm. (3, Funny)

scowling (215030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343379)

So you managed to get a job two years ago on the first try, but haven't been able to get a job since?

Maybe you're just not having any luck finding new work because you can't keep a job for more than two years...

The wife (2, Interesting)

Broken_Windows (658461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343382)

spends 8 hours a day on monster's boards, been that way for 3 years...

a resource (4, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343383)

Does anyone in IT even use these boards to look for a job?

As long as they're there and employers are posting jobs on them, you'd be a fool not to.

gotta tickle the monster once in a while. (5, Interesting)

ender_wiggins (81600) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343384)

Add a extra period or space to your monster resume if its been stale awhile. It will flip a switch somewhere and youll get more inqueries.

You Know It's a Bad Sign When... (5, Insightful)

tealover (187148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343390)

an internet job boards is reduced to using that antiquated of mediums known as "television" to push their product.

I think a lot of people are turned off by the ridiculous job requirements and the blatant posting of non-existant posititions. Most people I know have gone back to what works best:

Networking with people you know.

A friend of mine is leaving her job next week. We've already talked about her bringing me on board if things look good from the inside.

Re:You Know It's a Bad Sign When... (1)

Jim_Maryland (718224) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343583)

Definitely agree with you that networking is the best method to finding new positions. Other than my first job, all accepted jobs have been through networking. I've searched online and I've also used head hunters, but former co-workers have been best for me. The online listing did get me some interviews, but they never lead to a real offer. I wouldn't avoid any method to find a position, especially if I weren't employed, but I'd put more effort into networking (as you pointed out, you'll get the inside scoop on the company/position).

Re:You Know It's a Bad Sign When... (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343601)

um... eh?

A friend of mine is leaving her job next week : A friend will be unemployed next week.
We've already talked about her bringing me on board if things look good from the inside: I too will leave my job if she thinks being unemployed is fun.

Of course it's a fraud, unless you work in IT (5, Insightful)

StuWho (748218) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343392)

"Is it a fraud? You decide. Devote an hour each day -- about 12% of your working time -- surfing one of the many CareerBuilder or Monster.com sites, or DirectEmployers.com, or CareerJournal.com. Scan the job postings. Read the advice. Update your resume daily. Your challenge is to justify your investment."

And to justify the loss of your salary when your boss catches you.

my experience (2, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343393)

every job i have ever gotten has been out of personal contacts. i've tried monster, no luck. i decided to not quit school, just switched closer to home (left university for various personal reasons and took up ecpi; i'll go back to uni later maybe). today i just got a good job when i walked into a local store that i patronize often and am friend of the owner and his wife and the other employees. now i have a decent income for a student, and schooling.
the only interviews i got without personal contacts were via the richmond times dispatch wanted adds. those didn't pan out.

I found all 3 of my jobs online (3, Interesting)

t1nman33 (248342) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343397)

My first job out of college was from a recruiter who found my resume on Monster. The job after that was from a company who found my resume on Monster. My most recent job was actually due to a recruiter finding an 8-month-old resume on Dice, then placing me at my current job.

I have had virtually no success in directly contacting potential employers from their listings on online sites. On the other hand, I have had great success at companies and recruiters contacting ME from my resume being posted.

If nothing else, it doesn't hurt to leave your resume up there (while you're actively looking). You never know who might stumble upon it. YMMV.

Last Resort (5, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343399)

Its usually used as a last resort.

When a job opens up, first they look internally for someone to fill it, then they go off a referal basis (and at this time, who doesn't have a few friends that are unemployed IT workers?), then they look locally in papers and such...

THEN they go out to a place like dice to find a job.

The market isn't "good enough" for them to work well. The market is a lot better than last year, but needs to build back up to happier times before places like monster will get you a job fast.

Re:Last Resort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343553)

and at this time, who doesn't have a few friends that are unemployed IT workers

I work for a telecom company. We were looking for unix sysadmins. WE had a real tough time finding one good admin(we hired 5 in all). Finding good people isn't as easy as you might think.

Re:Last Resort (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343573)

I never said finding 'good' people, I just merely said that the internet posting boards is a last attempt at finding someone (and there is no guarantee that the internet is a place to find someoen 'good'... in fact, I'd say, on average, referals produce a better employee than a person hired from the net).

These boards are only one source. (2, Interesting)

Omni Magnus (645067) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343401)

These boards MAY be a good way to find a job. There is always a bit of luck involved. Although from my experience, nothing beats good networking.

We throw out 2000 apps a month (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343410)

The main problem with Monster (from the employer's perspective) is the absolute deluge of applications. We get 2000+ applications a month. Just wading through them is a full time job. The fact that we may miss a few is inherent to the problem. It's probably Monster's (and other's) biggest problem.

Good to show your boss (1)

ImaNumber (754512) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343411)

My boss asked me how much I thought I deserved for a raise...I showed him the, uh, "inflated" salaries on a couple of job finding sites.... It didn't work though...crap.

I think (5, Insightful)

jiffah (685832) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343413)

"Does anyone in IT even use these boards to look for a job?"

More importantly;
Does anyone in HR use these boards to look for an employee?

Re:I think (1)

johnkoer (163434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343652)

I agree with you there, especially if they have to pay to post the job. I found a job late last year by using a local site that is free for companies to post jobs. Also, since the site is not that large, so the companies only receive 20 resumes instead of 200.

Internet job sites are a good start (1)

dannyelfman (717583) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343416)

However, I always have found networking with my peers provides much more desireable results. I have a bad taste in my mouth from dealing with the job sites because you usually have to go through headhunting firms to even find out the details.

i use (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343418)

yourjobisnowinindia.com

Sorta. (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343425)

I've sought two jobs since these resume sites appeared, and both times I did in fact end up with a job. So in that sense they worked.. though I must admit it's been a bit over two years since my last foray.

However, the site itself didn't put me in contact with employers. I never had a single employer contact me. Who DID contact me was headhunters, and lots of them.

In the end a job is a job, doesn't matter how you get it but the sentiment that jobfinder sites are ineffective at doing what they advertise doesn't seem inaccurate. You could achieve the same results by seeking out local headhunting agencies and applying by more traditional methods.

It all depends (4, Interesting)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343430)

Most of the jobs I've found on those are either posted by headhunters/recruiters or are jobs that you wouldn't want anyway.

A local job site has some crappy listings too, but they kick Monster.com's ass. They're recent, relevant and have more information.

On the other hand, the best jobs I've found/interviewed for were not posted on those sites. If you want the job, you're looking for them - not the other way around.

Many positions aren't posted to HR until they have someone ready to hire anyway. A few companies I recently dealt with were in the interview stages. Their HR depts were unaware that there was a job opening. That's because the manager didn't want to post an opening and then spend six months trying to fill it. It makes him look picky/incompetent or that people don't want to work for him. He found his guy and sent the resume, position description/job req. and employment contract to HR in one paperclip.

It was a great job, too.

Useless (1)

GreenCrackBaby (203293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343441)

Since I've started looking a few months ago, every job lead I've gotten (over 20) have not been posted on any external job site. You either have to know people at other companies, or check out their individual web pages.

Missing some Key Data... (4, Insightful)

Thalia (42305) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343443)

Clearly, as another posted pointed out "headhunter" writing the article has an axe to grind. After all, if we find jobs on these boards, he's not getting the outrageous fees he once got for placement (about 1/3 of your annual salary!)

Also, there is one key facet missing. Many of us, myself included, see jobs listed on Monster.com and the like. We THEN go to our friends and say "do you have a contact at company X, they have a job posted, and I'm interested." So, with a little luck, your social network works, and you end up finding out a bit more about the company. You also end up putting your resume in through that person, instead of through Monster et al. So, what does this mean? It means that Monster.com did its job in alerting you to the availability of a position. But the "statistics" cited by Mr. Headhunter would show that you got your job through a personal referral.

Bad statistics lead to bad results.

Thalia

Looking for "jobs" on Monster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343444)

"send me up an intern!"

signed, Bill Clinton

A little late, but... (1)

ellocogato (143835) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343445)

I was looking for a job last Spring, and I put a lot of effort into building a Monster profile. Didn't help me a bit, and I found a job by other means.

I left my profile active, because hey, what was it doing? Nothing. Then about a month after I started my new job the notifications of job matches started pouring in. Now I get a half dozen matches to my criteria each week. Of course, I don't investigate them so I don't know how useful they really are.

If you're not getting results may I recommend... (5, Funny)

vicparedes (701354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343447)

monsterindia.com?

Apparently, it's the best out there. =D

personal experience (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343448)

I've used them each time I've been job hunting.

I've found jobs through friends, job fairs, having a client hire me, etc. but never one of these boards. I have had interviews though so theoretically I could have gotten a job if I hadn't taken another from a different source.

That's my personal experience for what it's worth.

Hangout for headhunters/recruiting agencies (1)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343451)

That's what I've seen form the various job posting sites such as monster or dice. You post and within a day or two the person calling is a recruiter who wants to be your middleman (middlewoman?) between you and your dream job.

The only other replies I typically got were from my boss saying "What?! Well how bout if we give you $xxx more and another week of vacation"--so I guess those sites have been good to me in a way :)

Job Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343453)

Those sites were great back a few years ago, but now they create so much paperwork for HR departmens (500 resumes for one job), that it makes it basically impossible to find a job. It's not their fault. There's just less jobs out there. I tried to use those sites when I graduated with a Computer Science degree last May and I never heard a peep for months. Then I had to take a job in another field. It's not their fault that there are no Tech jobs or that business executives think that offshoring is a magic pill that will cut their company's costs without losing "quality"

Good Experience (4, Interesting)

j_kenpo (571930) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343459)

I had used it briefly in the past and never had any success. I left it active during employment periods with no hits. After the department where I was a network security analyst for was dissolved in 2002, I re-wrote my resume, and reposted on Monster, and within two weeks I had a few bites, best of which was by a contractor for a large financial institution, in which I was hired on full time as an IT manager for their training department. The moral of the story is it can be a useful tool if used correctly and if your resume is done correctly. Id recommend using a professional resume writer and basing your online postings off that.

to be honest: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343460)

someone found me on monster, and the job i have now with a large tech firm found me on dice.com. i can't complain. relying on little is better than having nothing.

Where do I go when I need a job? (3, Funny)

silentrob (115677) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343462)

Slashdot, of course!

24 year old sysadmin looking for employment in the OKC area. 4 years experience + Microsoft certification. Reply to thread with offer if interested.

(yes, i'm being a smartass)

Worked for me (5, Interesting)

nphinit (36616) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343463)

I found my current engineering job using Monster, so I'm biased. Be agressive though; I'm probably an exception. I got about 1 interview per 20 jobs I applied for.

One thing I noticed...when you upload your resume, the employers view them sorted by date. I noticed right after I would update it, I would get lots of hits. So I started adding/deleting a period or space every couple days and then saving it, so my resume would always be "current" and near the top of the list. It really increases your clicks.

Two years: is it the job board or the economy? (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343468)


The IT job market is a very different place than it was two years ago. Remember, correlation != causation.

Having said that, I have had decent luck with Monster in the last five years: I landed one job. Others came through postings on Usenet ('96-'98 - probably not helpful now), Dice.com, and - of course - from people I knew.

Try Dice.com for some contract work to hold you over until you can find something full-time.

Monster worked for me... with a catch (3, Interesting)

shallow monkey (155686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343472)

Laid off one year ago.
Took about 2.5 mo.s to "find myself"
Started looking, registered with Monster.
Received 2 really good leads and I'm still working at the one I preferred. Both leads came the week I registered.
Continue to receive leads from Monster.

now the catch...
The lead I accepted was from a HeadHunter who found me on Monster. I would have likely never found the job (even though it's only a 55 minute commute away) otherwise.
With that said, I'd recommend Monster but understand that HHs are a reality even with Monster. and yes, HHs do leave you with that "used" feeling. I recommend showering twice after talking to them on the phone and NEVER meet with them in person....

From the other end... (5, Interesting)

lumpenprole (114780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343477)

I was in a position a couple years ago to hire somebody. I decided to do it the 'tech' way since it was a tech job and post the job on Monster and Dice. I would never, ever do that again. My job for three weeks was to sort through the over 100 resumes I got a day. Most of which were laughably unsuited. I kept a few of the emails I thought were really funny around for years.
Like the ones that were in all caps. If you're applying for a computer job, I think some mastery of the caps lock key might be a demosntrable asset. But those were the entertaining ones. Most of it was just depressing.
Since then whenever anybody I work with has to hire somebody, I recommend checking the posted resumes, talking to agencies, asking friends, posting on craigslist, but not posting on the commercial boards. It just hurts.

SPAM Address Factory (1)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343479)

I got almost no SPAM at one time. Then I posted a resume on several job sites. Being somewhat naive at the time, I used my own email address in the resume.

Since then my SPAM count has gone up to over 100 per day, and my domain gets over 2,000 per day. And rising!

Oh yes, I did not even get a nibble from ANY employer from the job sites. The job I do have came from pounding the streets and networking.

I have had great luck (1)

Nykon (304003) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343492)

When I was looking I got on average about 10 calls a week from monster.com and careerbuilder. I can't even count how many calls I got from dice.com , that was by far the best results. But I have always had great luck with them.

I guess to be fair I'll list my filed since mailage may vary.

I am 26, 11 yrs IT (yes I started coding at 15), have a secret clearence and do infosec and PKI (networking and coding).

Personal Experience (3, Interesting)

clark625 (308380) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343499)

I placed my resume on Monster.com a long time ago and got a relatively large number of companies e-mailing and calling me for interviews and such. My wife also did the same, and got nearly the same results.

Skipping to recently--I don't have a resume available anymore because I was getting too many screwy/shady/questionable "companies" calling and nearly harassing me. My wife was laid-off and she posted her resume, only to get these same people hounding her. Most of them were pyramid-scheme type compaines, or they wanted her to call everyone in the area to see if they could lower their interest rate on their mortgage if they refinanced. Urgh--what a mess. They still call.

I'm really not sure that good companies wouldn't use the online resume sites as a hiring tool. A lot of the problem could just be the economy and how many companies just aren't hiring yet. Once everything starts picking up (hopefully in a few months), I wouldn't be surprised to see my favorite companies even posting jobs to those sites. It's just hard to know where a good place to offer yourself up for employment is when many companies still have hiring freezes in effect. I guess that's where personal contacts become the most valuable asset.

I was looking for 9 months (1)

greendot (104457) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343502)

I started my job hunt last June. I had resume's out on all the boards, Monster, HotJobs, ComputerJobs, CareerBuilder, Dice. After the first month, they were refered to as "the black sucking black holes of gloom". My resume's would go out only to be answered by silence and the occasional, and probably imagined, giggle.

But, over the 9 months, I tended to like Dice more than the others. It offered a wider selection.

I did talk to an HR person who posted a job to a site and they put it focus for me. For ever job posted, they get over 3000 applicants. There are so many "programmers" that the job board system is almost useless.

But, I did finally land a job thru ComputerJobs.com, although they had my Monster resume. Go figure.

I've had good luck with monster...... (1)

big-giant-head (148077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343503)

I got a job working for a dot com consulting co. in houston in '99, I was laid off in '02 and out of work for 9 months, but I got my current gig because someone saw my resume on Monster, again. I've been here 17 months now. So I owe my last 2 jobs to monster........... I've also recieved about 2 dozen emails concerning job oppurtunities since I took the job here, all of them saw my resume on monster. So I've had good luck with monster.

I suspect they're more hype than substance... (1)

inimicus (194187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343505)

...though I have to admit that my views on them are colored by the usage on the one we set up at work [miningjobs.org] .

I suspect that there's just too much dilution in the marketplace for any one of them to be really worthwhile -- after all, how many job-boards are there? Even if an HR person sticks only to the "big name" boards, they've only got so much time to post jobs, and if the methods/formats are significantly different from one board to the next, it's just going to take more time and effort, with little or no significant increase in prospects (that's coming from an HR person who gave us feedback on the aforementioned job-board)...

I think it boils down to a lack of standardization from one board to the next, and (as far as I was able to determine during the R&D phase for the site), no consistant way to provide something like a standard upload-a-job function (i.e., allowing someone to have a single Excel file with several jobs, and be able to upload that info to the site).

Now that I'm finished rambling...

Flooding (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343509)

How about the Navy jobs flooding all areas of interests?

I quit using hotjobs and monster when emails that matched narrow and even broad criteria solely contained Navy endorsements.

How about simply getting off the butt and putting copius amounts of elbow grease into the search? That's the only way I've ever known it to work.

Not an adequate replacement. (1)

Endive4Ever (742304) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343514)

My main experience has been that the local Metro paper here has a website for the whole paper, except instead of publishing the actual want ads online as printed in the paper, they've somehow bought into the 'Careerbuilder' bullshit so you are dragged to a not-local junksite instead of being able to view the ads published in the daily paper.

It's not adequate, and it seems that the 'Careerbuilder' sorts have done a sales job. I suppose my complaints should be directed at the local paper, though.

Really stupid idea. Publish the fricking help wanted ads from your print edition online, newspapers.

A haven for Recruiters (4, Interesting)

borgheron (172546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343515)

Most of these boards are nothing more than a haven for recruiters who want to get you for a little as possible.

Instead of removing the middleman as Monster is supposed to do, Recruiters are allowed to join for a fee and post the jobs that they are looking for people for. So instead of getting into direct contact with the hiring director, you usually end up talking to some no-nothing recruiter who doesn't know jack about IT and think he or she is your only conduit to getting a decent position.

A wonderful experience, bah!

GJC

Monster versus Insider (3, Interesting)

erick99 (743982) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343520)

I've had to look for a job three times in the last five years (the computer industry is fickle around here). Each time I have checked the email that monster.com faithfully deposits daily into my inbox. I haven't found a job using monster. Each of my jobs, including the one I am interviewing for on Monday, came from people who already worked at the "target" company. Networking is still the best way to get a job for most people. At least, that has been my experience. I am not surprised at the statistics for monster.com's placement rate.

Happy Trails!

Erick

Monster got me a job in 2001 (1)

megamouse (459865) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343523)

Within hours of posting my resume to Monster in Spring of 2001, I was deluged with inquiries from headhunters. While my direct inquiries to employers posting positions on Monster were fruitless, a headhunter got me an interview at a Fortune 500 very quickly (days). The catch? I wanted a dev position but the job market was glutted with programmers more experienced than me. This guy got me a well-paying job as a Sr. Number Cruncher and helped me build a strategy to transition to IT once I'd proved myself. Number crunching and stats were easy (if not mind-numbing) but I was able to get a good dev spot in under a year once I'd been able to flash my 1337 codking skillz. I've been happily programming here for two years now.

Monster can work (1)

Aspherical Cow (627670) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343526)

My father-in-law was fired from his job (non IT) after less than a year. He uneasily decided to retire. A week and a half later he got an offer from someone who had seen his old post on Monster. He changed his mind and now has access to the company's private jet.

funny timing... (1)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343531)

Imagine that. I'm not in IT (customer service actually, until my wife finishes school and I can go back), but allow me to give my POV as I am out-of-work right now. Now, I'm only looking in the midwest, Iowa in particular, but I would guess that the findings are similar in other locations.

I've found Monster and Career Builder to be the best ones. But even those are a lot like wading through your hotmail account after not accessing it for a week...half "spam". Way too many of the same "Be your own boss! Make $100,000 a year!" jobs for selling life insurance, or licking envelopes, or selling something. A lot of the jobs that appear interesting seem to have trumped-up requirements, at least to me. For instance, I saw an entry-level financial job with a large company that has fallen from grace that touted 28-30k a year, but requires a bachelor's and two years experience!

I don't know, maybe I'm just out-of-touch, as I have never had to "look" for a job anywhere since my first job in 1998...every other place I have known someone, applied, and gotten it. I imagine my search results would be better if I was looking for a specific job at any location, rather than any job at a specific location, but relocation outside of Iowa is not an option right now. I did notice seemingly a lot of jobs in the area for Unix admins/programmers with a lot of experience, a lot of high-level heavy equipment jobs. One claimed I could make $50,000 a year detailing cars!

Anyway, that's what I've seen in the two weeks I've been searching for a job, take it for what it's worth.

Chris

No Jobs? And you don't know why? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343541)

Where have you been? Almost ALL the programmer jobs are now exported to India, China, and Russia.

Are there any programmers left in silicon valley? Will the last person who leaves, please turn out the lights?

signal to noise low (1)

ajrs (186276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343558)

my problem with these sites is the same with almost any non moderated online board: the signal to noise ratio is low. Many of the listings are either duplicates of the same job from multiple recruiters, or recruiters trying to generate interest without actual positions to fill. Not much from potential employers.

Slightly off topic, but I always get annoyed when recruiters looking for Unix or Linux experiace insist on a word doc resume, instead of text or html. You would think that they would know a little bit about the technology they are recruiting for.

This article confims what I've always suspected (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343560)

...that HR departments are full of nothing but dumb broads.

Even my high school counselor knew that personal contacts were the best way to get a job.

Local job sites (2, Informative)

Spandau87 (707491) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343565)

I found, when looking for work last summer, that the local job sites (in Philly the best ones seemed to be JobCircle.com and PhillyJobs.com) where the best in at least getting interviews. No matter where you look though, all of those sites seem to be lurking with headhunters. Just my $.02

Nearly Worthless (4, Interesting)

blunte (183182) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343571)

Online job boards went steadily downhill from 2000.

For each _real_ client position, there were probably 10 recruiting firms pushing the same job listing, some with different wording, some with identical text.

Then in 2001 when the shit hit the fan in IT world, other interesting things started to happen. Client positions would be listed and relisted as if they were new, but in fact they were positions that had been vacant for a year. The client had created the position, but due to market or other reasons had just avoided filling it.

To make matters worse, the bubble burst destroyed consulting firms. Firms with 30+ people suddenly became 2-3 person operations. They started getting hundreds of resumes, and in my view they began to thrash. One headhunter couldn't handle that volume. In any event, there just weren't many jobs anyway.

Fast forward to now. The job boards are full of MLM bs. I glanced at monster a couple of days ago and was shocked to see what it had become. 3 of 5 listings supposedly related to the "java" keyword were for bogus "work from home" jobs.

So basically, it's all a crock. The one thing that has, and will always work, is human networking. Get to know people, lots of them. Then you'll have people to contact when you need a job. They may not have a job for you, but one of them may know someone who does.

personal experience... (1)

J3zmund (301962) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343576)

Several years ago, I was lucky to land a good-paying job on dice.com. At the same time, I was receiving nothing but script-errors from monster.com. I deleted my monster profile. Six months later, I started receiving email updates about jobs that matched my search-agents from monster.com. They never deleted my profile.

To this day, I've never received a response from a resume submitted through monster.com. I've had better luck with jobsummit.com (only in SoCal area) getting interviews and responses. The best results have been from local newspaper web-listings (signonsandiego.com) and craiglist.com (I wish I'd discovered it much sooner). In fact I have an interview in a couple of hours with a company I found listed on craigslist.com.

Watch out for salesmen... (1)

MisanthropicProggram (597526) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343579)

I've had an experience where a "recruiter" called and said "I was perfect" for the job and I was pretty much "hired". All he needed were 3 management references. So, I gave them to him. After calling and emailing him for a couple of weeks to see what's up and never hearing from him, I gave up. I found out later that he called all my references to see if they needed his company's services! He was using me for sales contacts!!
I do not use job web sites anymore.

Back in 2000, I used Dice (1)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343584)

but the jobs were mostly posted by headhunting firms. The one I ended up with was thru Dice to a Headhunter, and from there to where I work now.

In fact, in 2000, Dice was almost all headhunters looking to fill jobs for the real employers.

And I never post a resume up there. Lord help you if your current employer finds one up there like that.

Most of my other jobs predate things like Monster and the like, so I have no real comparision.

As for today, every once in a while I look, but I am happy here. I also get a phone call every once in a while from old headhunters that have dug up my resume in their files. I keep telling them that I won't go back to Teradata, but they keep asking.

Except for the one guy who called about a position which turned out to be the place I had just left before here. I asked if the same boss was there, and when he said yes, I told him that I wouldn't consider it until they finally got around to firing him.

Online resume (5, Interesting)

jeroen94704 (542819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343593)

While indeed sites like monster and dice have been no help at all, having a resume online and making sure it can be found through search engines worked out well for me.

What I did was this: Put a version of my resume online. Not on one of the job-sites, but on my own website. Make it available in several formats: Word, HTML, plain text and maybe PDF. Then I submitted the url to a number of search-engines, including Google [google.com] and the Open Directory Project [dmoz.org] .

What I found is that sites specializing in tech-resumes often copy the content of the ODP resume section. Many hits for my resume come from such sites.

The rest come from keyword search-engines, so it's a good idea to put the right keywords in your resume: Try to think of which terms a recruiter (NOT the tech-manager) would search for when looking for a candidate in your field. Remember, this is a non-technical person, so "buzz-words" (annoying as they are) tend to work best.

The result is that even 7 months after I found a job, my resume gets 50-60 hits a month and every once in a while I get an email from a serious recruiter.

CareerBuilder (2, Informative)

mog (22706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343604)

I don't know what my success really means, but I found my current job over CareerBuilder. I've been here over a year, and it's pretty much the best job I've ever had. However, I really could have just as easily found it in the classifieds. It's just that I ran into their ad first at CareerBuilder.

No Choice for some (1)

samsmithnz (702471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343606)

In some cities (such as San Francisco), the newspapers don't even advertise 'real' IT jobs anymore... so you don't even have any choice.

But I've personally never had any active luck with job boards, although I was headhunted through the boards by an Agengy to get my current job...

Hype... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343614)

Hmm....

My old .com used one of those once. Posted a job on the board and even got the position printed on a local billboard (co-branded with the online job board).

Posting anonymously because I still have business contacts from that (now defunct) company.

Perhaps things have changed? Those were strange times.

Not entirely pointless, but close (1)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343617)

I used to get calls from postings on Monster and Dice all the time--five years ago. Like another poster, once I would refresh my profile, I'd get calls almost immediately (not within 20 minutes, but less than 24 hours). It was like that for several years. VERY good responses from real companies. I got headhunted from an online profile to a very good contract position that went to permanent. I still get responses from desperate headhunters around the country, but the jobs are no where near as well matched and they only come every few weeks or months.

It is much better these days to go to local listings. The work I have now I got from internal job boards and local newspaper classifieds. The simple fact is that a company posting to Dice or Monster will get a stack of 1000 resumes even for the most obscure requirements. If they post to a local newspaper or an internal board, they'll get ten. No one wants to skim though thousands of resumes, so a great number of positions will never even show up on the big boards. There simply are too many people with 20 years experience and five degrees competing for jobs paying half of what they're worth. Get local, find a company that sounds interesting and is hiring, or has recently been hiring, and do it the old fashioned way: schmooze. Besides, it's less soul destroying than apathetically clicking through Dice.

Another caution: Do NOT pay for the services of the big boards. They're just predators looking for prey. Great, they'll submit your resume--with 999 others, and charge you fifty bucks. Take your money and spend it on good stationery, dry-cleaning and your telephone bill.

What's up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343626)

If you're using Firebird/Firefox try going to the URL http://http://www.linux.org or any other URL with a doubld http:// in front.

Job boards made my year (1)

m_dob (639585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343632)

If it wasn't for job boards, I most likely wouldn't have had anything like the good time I had on my year out between school and university. I found my first job as a temp through reed.co.uk, the online outpost of an established job agency. That job, though only 7/hour, allowed me to expand my skills and add to my portfolio. I ended up staying in that job for three months. Ironically my job was to develop a job board application. But the difference to the big ones was that this board was much more local to the area. Using skills and confidence I had aquired, I was then able to scout for work more effectively, landing myself a 3-month contract. I love job boards.

good if you are fishing (2, Insightful)

i3spanky (191866) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343633)

I agree with the comments about signal to noise ratio on these boards. It is hard sometimes to find what you want over all that noise; but if you have useful skills and a well-written resume, I think the boards are a good way to fish as see what comes to you.

I used these sites (monster and dice) in 2001 when I was thinking about leaving Razorfish as business development suddenly got difficult and we were shedding people by the hundreds. At this time I wanted to get out, but I was not in a rush, so I put my resume out there and searched on a fairly regular basis.

The searches were not terribly effective (signal to noise), but eventually some head hunters picked up on me and found a very good match based on my skill set. (The market was flooded with out of work Java programmers and perl jockeys; I was looking for some place to do plain old C programming).

Both the head hunter and my eventual employer remarked that my resume stood out because it was well-written and it looked like I wrote it myself rather than having been manhandled by a desperate head hunter.

Having also been on the hiring side for scores of hiring decisions throughout my career, I cannot over emphasize the importance of quality organization, writing, and formatting in your resume.

The main problem with these sites... (1)

Luckboy (152985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343639)

The main problem with these sites are not the sites themselves, but the users of them. Online job hunting has made it as easy as the touch of a button to apply. This has made people a lot more willing to apply for that CEO position even though they're currently working Fries at the local McDonald's.

A lot of my friends that work in HR say that the deluge of people is just overwhelming, and people rarely take a good look at the qualifications. Most companies are required to keep your resume on file for a certain period of time after you apply, as well. This means the ideal job they should be posting is data entry for the resumes that are pouring in, and will likely only be glanced at before filing. The HR staff just can't keep up, and need some sort of filter, so they will always look at more traditional ways first, such as referrals from the inside, or even those who take the time and effort to Fax or Mail a resume with a good cover letter.

For the record, I have used many of these sites, and even gotten a handful of interviews from them, but the last one was almost 3 years ago.

Often jobs are posted that don't exist (2, Insightful)

scootr1 (159749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343645)

I know through "insiders" at a few companies that I applied to that they often posted jobs that they didn't have openings for. Apparently, they thought it made the companies look better to stockholders.

Too many spammy/bad jobs on them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8343647)

I've seen way too many bad jobs (meaning investment required, fee involved, or asking for $100K/yr skillset at only $24K/yr and it's in the middle of nowhere) posted on those things.

Monster is now just a shill for its advertisers.

I don't trust them, HotJobs or anyone else for that matter.

Use to supplement search (1)

shift99 (66981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343648)

While I would not rely on them as our sole method of job hunting, sites such as Monster are faily easy to use so there is no reason not to put up a resume. Plus you can usually set up a 'search agent' to email you relevant job posts. Sure, you do get some spam- I got a lot of WORK FROM HOME!!! emails, but no one said job hunting is easy or spam free. The other thing I noticed is that headhunter/recruiters browse resumes. I was contacted by two differnt headhunters who after talking to me on the phone, forwared my resume directly to the hiring manager. This worked for me and I was able to bypass silly initial interviews with someone in HR who has no clue about the position.

If all your friends are laid off.... Yes (2, Interesting)

muckdog (607284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8343650)

And thats about the only time. Every Professional job that I have ever landed has been due to personal contact working at the company that I was going to. However back in 2002 I found myself laid off and almost every professional contact that I had was also laid off or working for a company with a hiring freeze. At this point, Monster and those like it was my only resource (recruiters were worthless). I found a job at Monster at a local company. Sent my resume in with the others. Then went one step further, called up ex-coworkers and found that I knew someone there. Talked to that person and that got me the job. But I never would have know about the job if it had not been for Monster.
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