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Google to Launch Free Mail Service?

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the hit-them-where-it-hurts dept.

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prostoalex writes "The New York Times article on Yahoo and Terry Semel's management (soul stealing form required) mentions Google preparing "to offer a free e-mail service, people close to the company said, in a bid for Yahoo's most important source of loyal customers"."

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Another interesting viewpoint... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355156)

IS THAT THIS IS A FIRST POINT, in the name of NSDAP... Sieg heil!

DO YOU WANT MY PENIS IN YOUR MOUTH? DO YOU?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355164)

I'D PREFER HOT NASAL SEX, BUT THANKS ANYWAY. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355171)

I BLEW MY NOSE AND SOME CUM CAME OUT! TASTY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355182)

I LICKED UP THE SNOTTY CUM AND SPAT IT IN YOUR EYE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355189)

I'M NOW EATING CUM, SPIT, AND EYE BOOGERS! YUMMY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355222)

AS YOU FINISHED EATING I SHAT IN YOUR MOUTH, YUM! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355232)

MOM??? IS THAT YOU? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355250)

NO, DEAR, NOW CLOSE THE DOOR AND LEAVE MOM ALONE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355260)

BBW Adventures - Dunkin Donuts (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355158)

OK so here's how it went down: I was driving early one morning and stopped at a Dunkin Donuts to get some coffee. I got myself a big coffee and sat down to drink it. As I looked around, I noticed a few other people in the place, a young couple, a big beefy truck driver type, a few others and - lo and behold - over in a corner of the restaurant, a big fat ass BBW stuffing her goddamn face with a box of donuts. I was disgusted, but I tried not to let the BBW ruin my day. The sight of one of these human beings turned farm animal often does, because it disgusts me to the core. But I kept drinking my coffee. And eventually the coffee took effect. I had to take a dump! So I went into the bathroom (they only had one bathroom for both men and women) and sat down on the toilet and took a massive, huge logpile. The turds were enormous and twisted all together. I wiped my ass and tried to flush - but no luck. The toilet was clogged with my massive dump in it! I shrugged and went back to my table, leaving a sopping wet pile of huge turds and paper in the clogged toilet. I sat down again and started to read the paper. All of the sudden I heard something really unpleasant. A burp from the BBW's corner. That damn pig burped out loud. I tried to go back to my paper. But then I heard another burp. This time, when I looked up, I noticed that the big beefy truck driver type was looking annoyed. His face was flush with anger. I hadn't read much more of the article when the BBW let a loud fart rip over in her corner. And then another. And then I heard her sigh... and then she ripped a really loud one -brrrrrpppfffffttttt!! I was thoroughly disgusted, but before I could do anything, something unpredictable happened. "Goddammit!" the truck driver said, getting up from his table. "Goddamnit to hell! You disgusting pig!" He walked over to the BBW's table and shouted right in her face. "You stinking animal! You fat ass pig!!!! Why don't you go fart in the damn bathroom?" He was getting angrier by the minute. The BBW just sat there, looking like she was going to cry. And then, maybe she just lost control, but she let another fart rip. BRFFFFFPPPTTT! The truck driver was in a rage. He grabbed the fat ass by the hair and dragged her out of her seat! She was whimpering and crying and he was screaming obscenities: "you goddamn stinking fat pig! I'll teach you some goddamn manners, you filthy fat ass!" The other customers yelled after him, to stop him, as he dragged the BBW over to the bathroom door, and kicked the door open. We all rushed to the door just in time to see this guy, in a complete rage, grabbing the BBW by the hair and dunking her head in the shit-clogged toilet! Clogged with my turds!!! The BBW's face came up, soaking wet, covered with toilet paper! Somebody shouted to the truck driver to stop u but he just dunked the BBW's head in the toilet again! This time she came up and spat out a fat turd! Somebody was getting ready to call the police. But right at that moment someone in the crowd said, "Well, I guess this gives a whole new meaning to DUNKIN donuts!" And we all started laughing hysterically! The whole place was laughing at the turd covered, soaking wet BBW!!! We all went back to our cars, and drove away. What a way to start the day: with a laugh!

Google Portal? (5, Insightful)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355159)

Google email is interesting, but I hope they stop there. If the Google front page starts looking like Yahoo!'s bloat-fest, they'll be losing one of the things that really gives them an edge over the competition. Clever searching algorithms can be duplicated.
But Larry Page, the co-founder of Google, dismisses the idea that Google is disadvantaged. "How long does it take to type your ZIP code, maybe five seconds?" he said in an interview this month, adding that Google would be quick to add personalization features if it felt that they would help users.
This frightens me.

I wish someone would... (5, Interesting)

poptones (653660) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355190)

Because google really needs the competition. While I find the search engine useful for many specific tasks (like the way it provides a better search of the ms tech support site than MS does) and it's still my first choice for searches, it ain't AT ALL what it used to be. Try looking for "motherboard reviews" for example (even if you have a specific part number) and you'll be lucky to find an ACTUAL "review" on the first two pages of results.

Google was great, but "advertisers" figured out how to game it long ago and I don't think the folks at google are interested in evolving the concept much further. I have serious reservations about MS being able to actually compete with their technology (they can't even figure out what's on their own damn tech support site) but I really wish SOMEONE would do some "duplication and evolution;" maybe THAT would light a fire under some asses at google.

Re:I wish someone would... (5, Informative)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355268)

...but I really wish SOMEONE would do some "duplication and evolution;" maybe THAT would light a fire under some asses at google.
Now that you mention it, you've reminded me of something: I've been told that AlltheWeb [alltheweb.com] has gotten pretty good these days, and my own experiences with it have been mostly positive. They are tied to Overture, but the results seem to be pretty good, and the home page is blissfully plain.

Try alltheweb.com (5, Informative)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355309)

I use alltheweb [alltheweb.com] when not using google. Between those two I generally find what I want.

Alltheweb is a bit more international than google (I believe its hosted in Europe somewhere) and is owned by Overture who sells google lots of search info.

About us page here. [alltheweb.com]

They also seem to have a knack for lowering the importance of weblogs, which seems to be a big issue with some people nowadays.

Re:Google Portal? (3, Interesting)

ktanmay (710168) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355216)

I agree, search quality will definitely take a hit, and the competition is building to such a degree that it won't be long before some startup from Stanford/MIT will do what google did to altavista/yahoo.

Re:Google Portal? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355272)

Stanford/MIT??? You think all the smart people in the world go there or something? You don't need a 120K degree from one of those schools to be smart.

Re:Google Portal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355285)

Wow! It's amazing how narrow minded you are, I gave that simply an example, get a life!

Re:Google Portal? (5, Interesting)

FePe (720693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355226)

Google email is interesting, but I hope they stop there. If the Google front page starts looking like Yahoo!'s bloat-fest, they'll be losing one of the things that really gives them an edge over the competition.

One of Google's mayor strenghts is its simple interface. When compared to other search engines including Yahoo, Google's interface [google.com] seems very clean and simple, and also the way the whole site is put together. Regular users don't need all the features that Google has to offer, but power users may want to use them, and they can easily find out where they are accessed. For example, Advanced search [google.com] is on the front page where all can find it; but one must know about other features [google.com] to use them, and that's not a problem for the users who wants to use these.

Re:Google Portal? (4, Informative)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355312)

"One of Google's mayor strenghts is its simple interface. When compared to other search engines including Yahoo, Google's interface seems very clean and simple, and also the way the whole site is put together."

Yahoo's search page [yahoo.com] is also pretty simple, but probably not what people generally think of using when searching with Yahoo.
Maybe that's just a question of priorities - which set of features gets on the 'front' page. So long as Google keeps its front page the simple one, that probably won't be an issue.

Re:Google Portal? (5, Interesting)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355291)

I know i know, yahoo's front page is clutting as hell, links upon links.

but have you taken a look at the actual search page [yahoo.com] , it actually looks damn clean.

I like it better than google's interface IMO.

Good News For G. W. Bush: World Chaos +1, Fun (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355294)



Courtesy of The Guardian [guardian.co.uk] :

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

Client (5, Insightful)

ThisNukes4u (752508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355161)

If they'll provide POP or IMAP access without having to pay for it like Yahoo!, I'm sure it will be quite succesfull.

Re:Client (1, Funny)

gustgr (695173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355177)

--JOKE STARTS HERE--

I hope they won't offer a service to search content trough private e-mails.

--END OF JOKE--

YahooPOPs! -- I'm LOVIN' it !!! (4, Informative)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355238)

If you have a fairly advanced toolset of software knowledge, you can download YahooPOPs! [sourceforge.net] over on the SoresForge page.

What is it? Well, YahooPOPs! is an open-source initiative to provide free POP3 and SMTP access to Yahoo! E-mail accounts. It works in both Windoze and Unix.

What it does is emulate a POP3/SMTP server and enables popular email clients like Outlook, Netscape, Eudora, Mozilla, IncrediMail, Calypso, etc., to DOWNLOAD AND SEND emails from Yahoo! accounts.

It's amazing, bro. I had NO idea it'd even work. I had to download it to believe it. There are also other similar programs out there for MSN, Lycos, etc.

No self-respecting webmail user should be WITHOUT it.

MOD PARENT +1 INFORMATIVE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355246)

I too use YahooPOPs! and it's amazing.

How the fuck did I live without it, I wonder?

HEY VALLON, QUIT REPLYING TO YOURSELF U FAGGOT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355257)

"SoresForge", wow that's FUCKING FUNNY! "Windoze", gee, you are sure skimming the gutter for mods ain't ya.

MOD PARENT DOWN, VALLON = LAME TROLL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355270)

Hey Vallon, what "college" are you with now? GayTrollFag.edu? [anti-slash.org]

I use it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355276)

I wonder why Yahoo has'nt shut it down yet.

Re:YahooPOPs! -- I'm LOVIN' it !!! (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355316)

>There are also other similar programs out there for MSN, Lycos, etc.

I use hotmail popper [boolean.ca] to get hotmail POP access, something that you can't even buy.

It recently went from freeware to pay-ware. You might be able to find an older version somewhere.

AMSTERDAM VALLON = TROLL-CHECK HIS POSTING HISTORY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355336)

Why would someone bother subscribing to Slashdot just to troll?

AMSTERDAM VALLON GIVES FREE ANAL RIMJOBS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355355)

Re:Client (1)

Tagren (715283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355315)

I use Yahoo + Pop3 and i have not paid for it?
--

Re:Client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355341)

Have you considered fastmail.fm [fastmail.fm] ? It has a larger mailbox capacity (10 MB) and you get free IMAP access. Seems a lot better than the overrated hotmail or yahoo service.

Excellent Idea (4, Insightful)

Zone-MR (631588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355162)

If they can avoid yahoo's extremely bloated interface and stick with google's simplicity for their webmail, the idea might be a winner.

Of course they will need to invest a lot of effort into spam filtering for the service to be of any value.

Re:Excellent Idea (1)

CaptainCheese (724779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355264)

Of course they will need to invest a lot of effort into spam filtering for the service to be of any value.

that'd be nice, but no spam-filtration system is one hundred percent effective, unless you block everyone outside of your address book.

I've had total success with that method, but I'm a miserable curmudgeon who doesn't want any new friends!

Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355163)

$ whois googlemail.com

[snip]

Registrant:
Google Inc.
(DOM-302458)
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View
CA
94043 US

Domain Name: googlemail.com

Registrar Name: Alldomains.com
Registrar Whois: whois.alldomains.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.alldomains.com

Administrative Contact:
DNS Admin
(NIC-1467103)
Google Inc.
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View
CA
94043 US
dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506188571
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
DNS Admin
(NIC-1467103)
Google Inc.
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View
CA
94043 US
dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506188571

Created on..............: 2001-Jul-18.
Expires on..............: 2005-Jul-18.
Record last updated on..: 2003-Dec-30 15:39:37.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.32.10
NS2.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.34.10
NS3.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.36.10
NS4.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.38.10

Alldomains.com - The Leader in Corporate Domain Management

$

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (5, Insightful)

m_dob (639585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355197)

Or it could be that they don't want someone to use the domain to create a shady business. I thought this was common practice. If they brought this domain in 2001, likelihood is that they brought it more for safety's sake.

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355300)

Yes, and it seems more likely they would use 'mail.google.com' for a mail service, fits in with 'directory.' and 'images.' and so forth.

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (5, Informative)

the uNF cola (657200) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355198)

Or they could be saving money on law suits for trade mark stuff.

If someone took googlemail.com and used it, they could lose their trade mark and cause confusion, with or without knowing it. Paying $200 for 5 or so years for a trademark'd domain is sure cheaper than keeping a lawyer in court.

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (4, Informative)

fbg111 (529550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355204)

Looks like the Google home page "www.google.com" will remain as it is - light and uncluttered. "www.googlemail.com" will probably be another tab link on the main page, like "Groups", "Images", "Directory", and "News" are.

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (2, Insightful)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355290)

No, that would imply that you could search for mail.

If Google were to link to Google Mail, the link would appear somewhere else on the page.

Start spamming cmdrtaco@googlemail.com ! (1)

Attaturk (695988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355208)

I daresay spammers have had all weapons ready to lock on to the *@googlemail.com target since 2001. Frankly, I can't see many /. readers returning to a free webmail account ever again - even Theirs [google.com] .

Re:Certainly seems like they're planning for it... (5, Insightful)

gst (76126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355304)

yeah - porn was always a good idea to make money :)
$ whois googlesex.com

[snip]

Registrant:
Google Inc. (DOM-258919)
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US

Domain Name: googlesex.com

Registrar Name: Alldomains.com
Registrar Whois: whois.alldomains.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.alldomains.com

Administrative Contact:
DNS Admin (NIC-1340142) Google Inc.
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US
dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506181499
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
DNS Admin (NIC-1340144) Google Inc.
2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy Mountain View CA 94043 US
dns-admin@google.com +1.6503300100 Fax- +1.6506181499

Created on..............: 2000-Mar-15.
Expires on..............: 2005-Mar-15.
Record last updated on..: 2003-Dec-30 15:39:39.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.32.10
NS2.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.34.10
NS3.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.36.10
NS4.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.38.10

Alldomains.com - The Leader in Corporate Domain Management
guess who owns googleporn.com...

googlesucks.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355354)

did you know that googlesucks.com?

cant resist it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355167)

probably quickly snatched up. booble@google.com

Re:cant resist it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355273)

Maybe Booble is getting into free email too? Try for google@booble.com

Positive progress (5, Interesting)

Locky (608008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355170)

Coming from Google its pretty much a given the tried and tested 'Free Email' sector will see some new and exciting innovations.

However, the KISS method should defintley continue to apply for Google.com - the moment it begins to mimick Yahoo or MSN is the moment it will have lost its edge.

True, but... (5, Interesting)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355245)

I think that what Yahoo did wrong (boy, I'll bet there are tons of analysts starting sentences the same way) was to try to make a mega-page, to rely on some data that was human-indexed rather than entirely machine-produced, and to fall behind technologically.

Google doesn't do this.

* Google is very spartan. I'm glad to see that all the web designers that thought that fancy web pages are what people want have been shown to be wrong. Excuses like "oh, this is for a 'distinctive feel'" or "we won't look up-to-date without Flash", etc, just don't measure up. Google works well on all browsers, has pages that download quickly, and renders very rapidly. The only large image used is the ever-changing "Google" logo, which gives folks a fair amount of enjoyment (well, *I* get more of a kick out of it than any other single image of that size each day). Their ads are text-based, and there are few links on each page. Their page works well in any browser, including lynx. Spartan is in -- web development has matured, and garish pages with faux metal bits and hard-to-find imagemap-based links are out. Functionality matters.

* All the data that Google presents is produced by a computer, not an array of humans (except for the Directory, which is from dmoz.org, not Google-paid people. They can scale up as far as they want by just increasing their processor power. All their people just figure out how to get the computer to do the right thing. Sure, in the short term that can be a bit less efficient, but it's a big win in the long term.

* Google doesn't fall behind when it comes to technology. Google is rabid about recruiting PhDs working with automated data mining. They are constantly adding neat little features to find, interesting new experimental searches (Google Sets is my favorite), and do an impressive job for a group of people that have hordes of people trying to beat the engine constantly and are avoiding using any human-based indexing.

The question is... (4, Interesting)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355176)

If google starts a mail service, is it really to take on Yahoo? I have a pretty good opinion of Google for most of their decisions and I find it hard to beleive that they would go out and try to attack another company.

Maybe I'm naive, but I beleive if Google has decided to go after new business, it would be because they decided to move into a new market, not because they wanted to act in malace against another company.

Re:The question is... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355203)

You are naive. You probably also believe Apple is a "nice" company, too (see battery replacement plan).

I hate to spoil it for a lot of you people, but Google is no longer run by the engineers. They have a CEO. They also have a bunch of backers who want to get paid a lot of money when this company goes public. They are not in business to make you guys feel good about them. They are in business to make money.

that's what the free market is about (4, Insightful)

kaan (88626) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355255)

I beleive if Google has decided to go after new business, it would be because they decided to move into a new market, not because they wanted to act in malace against another company.

That's how every company and every business works in this country. It is for that very reason - direct competition - that we have so many awesome, cool products and services. At the end of the day, consumers want the best value for their dollar, the most choices, the most convenience. It's what a free market is all about.

So consider this, if Google creates an email service, and Yahoo starts to see some of its customers switch to Google, then Yahoo will be in a position to either a) do nothing, or b) offer something new to make Yahoo an even better service than it was before.

At the end of the day, if both services are doing a really good job, then they'll split the user base. But if one is really doing a better job than the other, that one will "win" the majority (usually). End-users will have more choices for web-based email, and we'll possibly see other services created to entice us to switch services.

Re:The question is... (2, Interesting)

samsmithnz (702471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355282)

I think quite a few people would jump. How many times to you hear about people dropping their yahoo or hotmail accounts because they have too much spam (little do they relieze that changing accounts doesn't help).

I think a lot of people will jump over.

Privacy (5, Interesting)

toesate (652111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355178)

I wonder whether Google mail will index my mails. sounds spooky..

Re:Privacy (5, Interesting)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355265)

No, but when you're reading your email, there will be small text ads on the right side of the screen targeted to the content of your email.

For example, if someone is emailing you about overcoming the Great Satan, perhaps some of the ads will be for flight schools in your area. It's just helpful search routines with no privacy issues at all. Nothing to worry about citizen, the computer is your friend.

Uh-oh (5, Funny)

m_dob (639585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355188)

Step 1: Google takes over search engines

Step 2: Google takes over webmail services

Step 3: Tomorrow - the world!


What next? The Google OS?


Re:Uh-oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355201)

yeah, next is the google linux distro.

Next? Maybe Google Emacs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355235)

... or should it be GNU/Google Emacs?

now all your source are belong to us.

Re:Next? Maybe Google Emacs... (1)

CaptainCheese (724779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355269)

... or should it be GNU/Google Emacs?

nah. Google would want a UI that humans can understand.

Re:Next? Maybe Google Emacs... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355303)

Google would want a UI that humans can understand.

You mean like Vi? :^) Google Keyboard Shortcuts [google.com] has a UI similar to Vi's. None of that control and meta Emacs nonsense.

You forgot #4 (2, Funny)

eWarz (610883) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355242)

Step 1: Google takes over search engines Step 2: Google takes over webmail services Step 3: Tomorrow - the world! Step 4: Profit!!!!

Re:Uh-oh (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355262)

What next? The Google OS?

I guess the "Find Files or Folders" and spell checker would be really powerful features and the OS interface will be fairly simple, something like this:

Work / Porn / Email / Links / Logoff

Mind you that would be fine for most people....

Re:Uh-oh (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355349)

Step 3: Tomorrow - the world!
No, they better don't try that. The taking-over-the-world-market is already way too crowded. We've got the USA, the religiouse fundamentalist groups, the EU hidden agenda, The Mad scientist community and Microsoft. I think that's enough for the time being.

Sad to say (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355192)

We really have to admit that Google is in decline. In all likelihood, there may be only one more (or possibly two) years before Google goes away forever.

I know it is now almost a mantra set in stone that "Google is dying". Unfortunately, the abuse of that fact by trolls has obscured the truth, that truth being that Google really is dying.

My main reason for moving away from Google to MSN Search has been twofold. First, to avoid the constant IPO uncertainties. And secondly, to investigate more promising and viable entries in the search engine sweepstakes. Google is no longer a legitimate player, I'm sorry to say.

Makes sense (5, Interesting)

arvindn (542080) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355194)

Yahoo mail throws some huge animated ads at you. Mozilla blocks them for me of course, but the average person suffers them. If google can combine targeted text advertising with email (like by analyzing the content of the email) then maybe they can offer some serious competition. The article hints at something like that.

I remember reading about a year ago on one of the google related stories here on slashdot, that the reason google has been very successful is that they've done one thing and done it well, rather than trying to be a portal and integrate everything. Specifically, one poster said that if google ever offered an email service (and implying that that's an unlikely possibility) he'd ditch google for searching and google would soon degenerate into just another website with a Dubious Business Model. Follow up posters agreed with that comment. So, the time has come now. I ask the people who felt that way last year, are you sticking to your decision/analysis? If not, what has changed?

Re:Makes sense (5, Insightful)

fbg111 (529550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355229)

If google can combine targeted text advertising with email (like by analyzing the content of the email) then maybe they can offer some serious competition.

That would be just great. Then we could not only get tons of Viagra and penis enlargement emails, we could also tons of Viagra and penis enlargement targeted text ads. Maybe even all in the same email. Can't wait.

Privacy (2, Insightful)

paragon_au (730772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355234)

(like by analyzing the content of the email)

Personally I don't want Google reading/analysing my e-mail. Even if is just some algorithm.

Re:Privacy (1)

Zone-MR (631588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355258)

Personally I don't want Google reading/analysing my e-mail. Even if is just some algorithm.

Why not? Ashamed of what the computer software will think. With every email system, the administrators could easilly be able to read your emails without you even knowing. Having an algorithm analyise the text is hardly an invasion of privacy.

Will and Could (2, Insightful)

paragon_au (730772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355298)

There is a huge difference between will and could.

Admin's could read my e-mail but most likely will not. Especially if they have some privacy policy against it.

The parent post is pointing out if Google uses targeted advert's they WILL read my e-mail.
If I decide to subscribe to porn, and then suddenly whenever I got to google.com or google mail I have to deal with porn adverts. Well that isn't going to look too good at work or home.

Or what if I get an e-mail regarding AIDS, and then I see adverts for AIDS treatment when I visit google, other may see this, realise I have AIDS and then discriminate against me.

So no, I am not ashamed of what software 'thinks' about me, but I may be adversly affected by the ad's it displays.

Re:Privacy (1)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355353)

Much of your email is already being analyzed. To detect spam and/or viruses.

Re:Makes sense (2, Informative)

jacoplane (78110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355287)

There's an interesting interview [mediainfo.com] with Google co-founder Sergei Brin about the future of google advertising.

Re:Makes sense (0, Redundant)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355330)

>like by analyzing the content of the email)

You must be kidding!
Usual messages:
*Naughty Bisex Teens Fucked the Porn Site Crew!
*Cheap Medicals Viagr a

Google looks and them and thinks: "Aah, this guy must be looking for pr0n and viagra! I'll put some useful ads for him!"

The next step.... (5, Interesting)

ZeroVerteX (196791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355195)

...should be a Google IM based on Jabber! That would rock!

Re:The next step.... (3, Interesting)

infiniti99 (219973) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355331)

One of the tough aspects of popularizing XMPP/Jabber is that no large company has stepped forward to fully deliver it to the end-user. Ideally, AOL, Microsoft, and Yahoo would try to migrate their IM protocols to the standard, but somehow this seems unlikely. If a large company could provide a consumer-level IM client, plus dedicated server, plus whitepages, etc (the whole nine yards), and compete against the other gorillas, maybe this will work.

I'd really like to see this, because the Jabber world really needs it. If we can't convince any of the existing major IM players to adopt Jabber, then we need a new company to enter the ring. But is Google large enough to take them on?

What if I... (1)

gustgr (695173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355205)

register billgates@google.com ?

They're building a monopoly! (-1, Flamebait)

Toxygen (738180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355206)

Quick, somebody stop them!

I don't believe Yahoo on this one (4, Insightful)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355209)

Knowing where searchers live and what their interests are, Yahoo believes, will let it present results that are more relevant and advertising that is more focused.
I am not convinced, Yahoo. By looking at my IP, Google knows where I live as well. OK, Yahoo knows that one of my interests is cooking. But is that knowledge really an advantage for serving relevant advertising when I am searching for "Digital Camera Cheap"?

Re:I don't believe Yahoo on this one (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355310)

>By looking at my IP, Google knows where I live as well.

Umm. A site can't find out where you are just from your IP.

The closest it could get with an ok level of accuracy would be country.

Re:I don't believe Yahoo on this one (1)

mochan_s (536939) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355313)

They can show pictures of food taken by digital camera they want to peddle.

Big deal (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355212)

Everybody and their dog is offering free webmail. What's so special about googlemail?

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355321)

This one lets you search in other peoples' mail.

Sweet... (2, Interesting)

Zordas (596510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355213)

Can't wait for this to happen. Currently I have to use gotmail to fetch my hotmail accounts then forward them to my ISP via an hourly cron job. With Google doing mail, I'm sure they will add IMAP support and be a little more "User Friendly" to us Linux users. (Not to mention No ads !)

Re:Sweet... (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355308)

With Google doing mail, I'm sure they will add IMAP support and be a little more "User Friendly" to us Linux users. (Not to mention No ads !)

They need to make money somehow, so there'll be ads but almost certainly text based ads like there already is on Google.

If they make their mail service accessible via IMAP how will they make money out of it? One method would be to clearly add some advertising text at the end of each message you receive (don't think that'd be popular). However, Google might decide to make IMAP access a premium service, if they decide to make their own branded Firefox/Thunderbird combo they might make it accessible for free through that too, to compete with Microsofts Hotmail in Outlook Express integration.

Re:Sweet... (1)

Zordas (596510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355327)

If they make their mail service accessible via IMAP how will they make money out of it? One method would be to clearly add some advertising text at the end of each message you receive (don't think that'd be popular). However, Google might decide to make IMAP access a premium service, if they decide to make their own branded Firefox/Thunderbird combo they might make it accessible for free through that too, to compete with Microsofts Hotmail in Outlook Express integration.

Excellent point. But I still do hope they include IMAP, or Dare I say it, POP.

Re:Sweet... (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355362)

POP is almost useless in a webmail situation, IMAP works well with webmail because it allows you to mark messages as read while keeping them on the server, and move mail around different folders on the server.

Almost a dupe (3, Informative)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355223)

Most of the arguments/speculations in this story were addressed in this earlier Slashdot story (incidentally submitted by me). A few useful links there:

Google Eyes New Email Service, Expansion [slashdot.org] on Monday January 19, @04:02PM

Posted by simoniker [mailto] on Monday January 19, @04:02PM
from the ultimate-internet-moogles dept.
GillBates0 writes "According to a CNN/Reuters story, Google is developing a service to attach its lucrative keyword-based advertising to email [cnn.com] : ''I'm sure Google is getting more and more concerned about locking in users. It wouldn't surprise me if they did something very sophisticated with e-mail,' said Danny Sullivan, editor of SearchEngineWatch.com [searchenginewatch.com] , who tracks the industry.' Apparently, Google has purchased an e-mail management software maker and registered the domain name googlemail.com. The article also speculates that Google is slowly on the way to becoming a full-fledged portal, with the gradual addition of more and more portal-like features like Froogle [google.com] ."

The main thing... (4, Interesting)

linuxci (3530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355224)

The main thing is whatever they do they retain their simple search interface. But if they do go the route of a mail service provider then it might be a good idea to investigate closer links with the Mozilla project [mozilla.org] .


I already suggested [slashdot.org] the benefits for both Google and mozilla.org for Google to replace their IE Toolbar with an official Google branded Firefox [mozilla.org] . If they don't want to make their mail service freely available through IMAP or POP3 then they could do what Netscape did in NS 7.x and make their mail servers accessible to their own branded mozilla client. Although it would be nice if Google mail would be based on Thunderbird [mozilla.org] rather than the suite.


Hotmail is available through Outlook Express, so it'd be nice if Google did something similar without the tie in to MS products.

Google plan of attack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355228)

1) Create awesome, sleek search engine + addiction
2) Muck it up with email service links and ads
3) ???
4) Profit

The irony... (5, Informative)

EvilDrew (523879) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355241)

The story is about google from the New York Times, and yet somehow the submitter didn't give us the obligatory NYT/google link. ;-)

Here ya go. [nytimes.com] (The same article is also available in The Ledger [theledger.com] )

Um, wait a second here... (5, Interesting)

Pollux (102520) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355252)

Let's look at the facts:

First, there was Google. Beautiful searching. Love it dearly.

Then, there was Google cache. Beautiful, wonderful idea. Love it dearly.

Then, there was Google image searches, and News, and it was all still good.

But adding free mail to it? I'm starting to worry that our at-one-time all-simple, all-powerful, all-effective search engine is becoming (possibly?) another Yahoo? They're already the most widely-used search engine (by far!), but why offer free mail? Leave that to the low-life such as Microsoft and Yahoo.

Don't get me wrong, Google's seemed to manage everything quite smoothly thus far, and is still a wonderful site to use for everything they've made (besides searching, I use image search and the news listings & searches quite often). But free mail is quite a big undertaking...will they be able to manage it and still stay as good as they are?

Google MusicSearch? (5, Interesting)

FsG (648587) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355256)

Why's Google wasting its time with an ancient idea like this one when there are truly innovative things out there, waiting to be done? A google search for free music online, for example, would be a major boost to independant artists, and would turn a few heads.

The point is, they have to be original if they want someone new to notice them, and webmail sure ain't original.

Re:Google MusicSearch? (3, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355368)

AltaVista already has (and had for some time now) this feature [altavista.com]

doing things well (3, Insightful)

mr_tommy (619972) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355281)

To the poster (here [slashdot.org] ) who talked about how Google has done one thing, and done it well - yes- that is very correct. However, that was back in 2000. Searching is something Google is undoubtedly "the daddy" off. They have moved on - groups, image search, directory, news - they are all at the top of their respective content leagues in terms of quality and service.

Whether or not the NYT article is correct or not doesn't really matter. The plain fact is that Google faces increases competition, and they need to offer more services to maintain their position as number 1. A Google email service is A) cool B) useful for people. As posters before has said, it would probably come quite feature laden, and thus be popular.

oooh now I can finally get (4, Funny)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355286)

loismustdie@google.com

On a serious note: google is very tight lipped about what services they will be launching (until after they launch/beta) so not sure how credible these rumblings are...

E.

spam (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355292)

ah and then the day will come when my mail box will be cluttered with spam from googlemail.com. oh joy

This gives me hope... (1)

26199 (577806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355295)

...with that kind of name recognition, and google's technical ability and design sense, I might finally be able to persuade my family not to use hotmail.

(sigh)

Re:This gives me hope... (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355339)

If google are serious about free mail services then it probably is more to get Hotmail users away from Hotmail because MS does pose the biggest threat to Google

google spam filters? (2, Insightful)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355338)

I was ready to dump yahoo email until they implemented some nice spam filtering tech.

There are still some things they have not done that they could.

If google does what it is famous for...being innovative and simple..with spam filtering I will drop yahoo email like Dr. Atkins dropping a hot potato.

Steve

Found 2 using . . . GOOGLE (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8355356)

Search "Groups" to find:

Drake (capatan@googlemail.com)
John (John@googlemail.com)

And GOOGLE had to fight to get the domain back:
(Dated: August 18, 2002)

http://www.arb-forum.com/domains/decisions/11471 2. htm

If they launch it, (1)

rolling_bits (754633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355358)

I might switch ! Go google go ! :) Say that fast 5 times in a row :P

race for email addresses (1)

gizmik (715546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8355369)

i guess there will be a bit of struggling for cool email addresses ;)
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