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One more G4 for the PowerBook?

pudge posted more than 10 years ago | from the so-there dept.

Technology (Apple) 487

PurdueGraphicsMan writes "Much as we'd love to see the next PowerBook revision include a processor evolution to the mighty G5, we know it's not that simple. The Register provides some sound reasoning (and boatloads of model numbers and voltage specs) as to why we'll probably see a 1.5GHz G4 PowerBook before any G5 PowerBooks materialize." I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower. Oh, and I don't want to burn my lap.

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Relax, Pudge. (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374483)


It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package [...] and I don't want to burn my lap.

Not to worry, the Viagra they spam isn't contraindicated against the "Grow your Willy 4 Inches in 4 Days" stuff.

SCO site troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374511)

HEY SCO! Fix your site. http://www.thescogroup.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?ps=2 0&o=0&m=all&wm=wrd&t=&q=idemnification

great... this is news how? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374497)

woooppee

It'd make me feel guilty (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374499)

>...having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it
> in a PC tower. Oh, and I don't want to burn my lap.

And you can't afford it. And the fact you're even considering buying an Apple product means you're more concerned with style than substance, and the white would clash horribly with your ugly retro NHS glasses and laughable Nathan Barley goatee.

Re:It'd make me feel guilty (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374821)

powerbooks are silver ya 'tard, and besides there's one use for apple laptops: cheaper than centrino 3hr+ laptops with 300-500 less (albeit the centrinos are prolly three to four times the processing power, but you try finding a damn centrino with a radeon 9200 mobility with dedicated memory for under 1200 bucks).

-- vranash

Go Motorla (4, Insightful)

Goyuix (698012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374503)

Even though we all like to look at IBM as the hero of Linux and their cool chips... a little competition from Motorola can only be good for us consumers!

Re:Go Motorla (1, Informative)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374519)

Motorola is out on the PPC processors. They lost that gig and IBM does it all now. Motorola just isn't producing right now.

Re:Go Motorla (4, Insightful)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374698)

My father in law works in a manufacturing plant for a parent company. They don't really do that much manufacturing. The parent company outsources over 95% of all their manufacturing needs. What they are really for is bargaining leverage. When the parent company negotitates, they have the ability to say "screw you, we'll do it ourselves." That alone drives costs down with all their partnering manufacturers.

The situation with Motorola is not the same. But Apple can always leverage the idea of using Motorola chips again to hedge any abuse by other chip manufacturers, although they hopefully won't need to.

More embedded (2, Informative)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374713)

Motorola is focusing on embedded processors these days with the MPC range of chips so they have n't turned their back on PowerPC architecture. They are just concentrating on low power, low clock speed chips.

Need the G5 (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374506)

I would certainly expect the G4 to be around for at least a little while in portables (perhaps even a dual G4 in the 17in Powerbook), but there is a decided pressure to put the G5 in a portable. When I moved from a dual 1Ghz G4 to a dual G5 at 2.0 Ghz, the difference in performance was striking. For those users who are constantly pushing the limits of their hardware with compiling code or are heavy users of scientific code or even Photoshop, the G5 is a must have. And even though PurdueGraphicsMan would feel guilty, I would not, knowing that my research could go even faster than before.

The real beauty of the G5 is that not only do we get the raw power, but that power is coupled with an OS that is the easiest to use for both the basic user (undergrads or grad students coming into our labs to learn science and the research process) and the advanced user (computer science faculty we are collaborating with to build custom tools for data visualization and processing).

Re:Need the G5 (4, Informative)

PurdueGraphicsMan (722107) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374537)

And even though PurdueGraphicsMan would feel guilty, I would not, knowing that my research could go even faster than before.

Actually, that somewhat dorky statement about feeling guilty was relentlessly added into my post as though I said it. I would never say something that dorky.

Re:Need the G5 (1, Insightful)

finkployd (12902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374627)

Actually, that somewhat dorky statement about feeling guilty was relentlessly added into my post as though I said it.

Actually it only looks that way if you lack understanding of how quotes work. Such as the grandparent poster ;)

Finkployd

Re:Need the G5 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374631)

No, there is no need for the G5...you should have been educated by Apple to know about the "Megahertz Myth."

Can you say, "Hypocrisy?"

Re:Need the G5 (2, Informative)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374857)

NOT APPLICABLE HERE

The G5 benefits from nicer architecture as well as a higher clock speed.

Mod parent -1, Irrelevant.

Another Article Troll from Pudge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374512)

I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower. Oh, and I don't want to burn my lap.

Pudge, keep the editorializing to yourself, okay? This is supposed to be a news site, not an editorial soapbox for your uninformed drivel.

If you want to talk about power, there are many benchmarks showing the G5 being beaten by various PC offerings, so shut it up.

The Editors suck in general... (-1, Flamebait)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374541)

I'm used to seeing the trolls come from Michael, but I guess he's too busy lately...

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (1, Funny)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374586)

While you wait for your G5 on your lap...
"why we'll probably see a 1.5GHz G4 PowerBook before any G5 PowerBooks materilize"

You harness the full ONE POINT FIVE ghz of power from the next powerbook...us PC tower users will never see such power.

And, speaking of humour...my prof's PowerBook core dumped yesterday as he was lecturing

It was fun to see the scrolling text take over the screen from the GUI

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374620)

You harness the full ONE POINT FIVE ghz of power from the next powerbook...us PC tower users will never see such power

Excuse me, my PC tower has 3Ghz of power and it beats out the G5 in many benchmarks. Do you believe anything the Mac propagandists tell you?

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374661)

Is your tower a 64bit?? Are we talking benchmarks like rendering where the 64bit really makes the difference??? What benchmarks?? The G5 makes it's biggest impact in the high end math areas like rendering, or for Engineering guys in Matlab, or other high end design tools. That's where it's plus side and killer performance is. That's why video guys like it so much. Not for how fast the web browser loads.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (0, Flamebait)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374707)

Please attempt to explain to us PC lusers why 64-bit processors are faster at rendering or Matlab than 32-bit ones. I could use a good laugh today.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374733)

I'd also like to know how many Mac apps have been shipped that are 64-bit.

MODERATOR ABUSE (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374788)

Why was this post modded down? WHY?

This is simply another opinion. But becuase it doesn't agree with the Mac spin, it gets modded down. Thats very shameful.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374798)

"Please attempt to explain to us PC lusers why 64-bit processors are faster at rendering or Matlab than 32-bit ones. I could use a good laugh today."

If you don't know already than you probubally don't know much about it. But it's the addressing on the memory and the size of the number the math can be done on. Instead of a 32bit number it can do math with 64 bit numbers. Much larger numbers. On a 32 bit processor if it has to take a number larger than 32 bit and do computations on it then the number has to be broken up into parts and math done on them. This is several steps and takes longer to do.

Chip designers, Electrical System designers, etc use 64 bit systems to do their work on. And they are truely faster.

From a performance as you can see point..something rendered on a dual processor G4 for 4 hours might take 20-30 minutes on a dual processor G5.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374824)

You have no clue, do you? Bitness has NOTHING to do with speed. If anything, it is slower because it takes longer to address a 64-bit pointer than it does a 32-bit one.

How many of these apps are compiled for 64-bit?

Answer NONE

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (0)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374872)

You really don't have a clue to the real advantages of 64bit. And your normal everyday use there are no advantages. And yes it can make a system faster depending on what the system is doing. If you are doig rendering or simulating a massive engineering design it is several times faster jsut having the 64bit. Say in cadence you simulate a chip on a 32 bit chip vs a 64 bit chip. The 64bit chip will be several times faster and more accurate because of the math at 64bit numbers.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (1)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374887)

Well, I guess you put me in my place... I never knew until now that Matlab and rendering used only integer math and ignored the floating-point units.

MOD ABUSE ALERT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374847)

Why was this post modded down? WHY?

This is simply another opinion. But becuase it doesn't agree with the Mac spin, it gets modded down. Thats very shameful

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (1)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374785)

Rendering use floating points, so whenever the chip is 64bit don't matter as long as the project can fit in 2GB ram.

MOD ABUSE ALERT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374687)

Why is any opinion that does not agree with Pudge's get modded down? Its a legimate post with facts.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (4, Funny)

netglen (253539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374759)

>> And, speaking of humour...my prof's PowerBook core dumped yesterday as he was lecturing

Hello Basher, welcome to Nethack! You are a lawful human Knight.
You see here a apple.
There is an apple here;eat it? [ynq] (n)
The apple was delicious; core dumped.

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (4, Informative)

Sigh Phi (324315) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374760)

What version of MacOS was your professor using? You never just see "scrolling text" take over the GUI.

If OS X kernel panics, the screen dims and you get a message in multiple languages saying a reboot is necessary.

You can view crash logs with /Applications/Utilities/Console.app. Usually what you get is a dialog saying "The application -blah- has unexpectedly quit," and a log file is written to one of several convenent locations.

Where did you get lines of scrolling text?

Re:Another Article Troll from Pudge (3, Informative)

Maserati (8679) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374885)

It must have been in Verbose mode when he restarted it. That'll put lots of lines of white text on a black background on the display. Handy to see exactly what's going on at startup - but you Unix types knew that.

I hear ya... (4, Funny)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374515)

It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package

Ummm...am I on the wrong website?

CB

Re:I hear ya... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374561)

You are on the right website. Only that you are reading with wrong thoughts.

Re:I hear ya... (4, Funny)

PseudoThink (576121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374659)

Right we site...Pudge only feels guilty because he'll need that extra power to run his Windows emulator at even a marginal speed.

Re:I hear ya... (1, Informative)

DetrimentalFiend (233753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374669)

Either it was intended to be a joke or the editor has bought into Apple's marketing. G5's are fast, but they're not the fastest. Saying "It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower" is just plain ignorance. An equivalent statement would be "Having a Pentium 4 would make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a Apple computer."

To be honest, if someone gave me a G5, I'd definitely use it. But, if I was given a choice, I'd take an AMD 64bit based PC over a G5.

Heat Issue? (-1, Flamebait)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374517)

You don't think they'd fix any heat issue by release? You can be assured that by release, your precious penis will be safe from harm's way (at least from the computer, not anything else you do to it...)

Re:Heat Issue? (5, Informative)

quandrum (652868) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374763)

Um, Didn't IBM just release the 970FX, which uses the the new (.09nm ?) process and significantly less watt's of power consumption, along with PowerTune, a speedstep-like technology that would further reduce power consumption?

Why yes, yes they did. Maybe that's how they will fix the heat issue.

Flamebait (0, Funny)

hendridm (302246) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374518)

It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower.

As long as we're throwing cheap shots, as least we don't have to plug in an external device to get a second mouse button. I'm surprised you didn't make a BSoD joke. I know I can never get enough of those!

In the venerable words of Ace Ventura: La-hooo Za-her

I sure hope the bitch-slap feature requires some sort of ActiveX component so pudge can't seek revenge. Zing!

Re:Flamebait (1)

Mr_Matt (225037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374598)

As long as we're throwing cheap shots...

I don't know if pudge was really throwing a cheap shot: after all, he was talking about his own small package or something. Combined with the fact that the post is obviously Mac-zealot fodder, I just thought this kinda, y'know, was natural.

/dodging bitch-slappage now... :)

Re:Flamebait (2, Insightful)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374838)

As long as we're throwing cheap shots, as least we don't have to plug in an external device to get a second mouse button.

Whoa! Your PC has an integral mouse? How does that work?

Every PC I've ever used, I had to plug in an external device just to have a mouse at all, let alone a second mouse button!

I know what you mean... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374523)

I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package...

Yeah, it is far more satisfying having that much power in a large package in that general region.

Oh boy! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374530)



It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in ...
No you know how I feel! =P

Huh? (-1)

0x54524F4C4C (712971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374532)


I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower. Oh, and I don't want to burn my lap.

I want to know who this Pudge guy is. I want to punch him. I guess I can find him at the GNAA.

Watercool (0, Interesting)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374539)

The heat dissipation issues need to be resolved before the G5 comes out. The next powerbook (and maybe powermac!) will almost surely be water cooled.

Re:Watercool (5, Informative)

and by (598383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374564)

Those issues will largely be solved by the recent die shrink at IBM.

Die shrink (1)

charnov (183495) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374779)

Actually SOI heat issues go UP with die shrinks, not the other way around. Now if Apple could license IBMs power island and other power saving/cooling tech, then that would be useful.

Re:Die shrink (3, Informative)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374846)

First, IBM is using SSOI (Strained Silicon on Insulator). Second, the last statistics I saw showed a greater than 50% power consumption reduction with the new 970FX processors (die shrink and SSOI). That's promising.

Re:Watercool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374578)

It's sitting on my lap, I wonder where I can get a handy source of water for it?

Re:Watercool (5, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374590)

"The next powerbook (and maybe powermac!) will almost surely be water cooled."

Water cool a laptop??? That would make it very heavy. the Piping, pump and water itself would add pounds to the weight of the laptop.

i've always had that much power (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374540)

in my lap.

oh yea, baby, you know what i'm talkin' about. ;)

Hot cold. (1)

the web (696015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374545)

...I don't want to burn my lap.

Liquid coolant please? I love to see that. Would there be disposal problems, like a fridge?

Sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374553)

Imagine a Beowolf cluster of these things!

Guilt? (3, Funny)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374554)

Not exactly the state of mind of most people when they purchase that ultra-compact incredibly powerful new machine using the PHP's lost credit card. I hate to ask this, but what kind of terrible Freudian traumas did you suffer as a child?

Mother: Pudge, are you surfing in there?
Pudge: Yes, mom, now leave me alone?
Mother: Two-hand surfing, Pudge! And stay away from newsnet!
Pudge: Grrrr... mumble. Thank god for peer-to-...
Mother: And no Kazaa either!
Pudge: Damn!

come again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374879)

And stay away from newsnet!
WTF is that?

G5 in laptop prolly a little wait (2, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374556)

The G5 will prolly wait a little longer to be in a laptop as the heat and power issue. I am sure they will get that down with the new power management in the G5 but it might take a bit.

Give this a miss (-1, Insightful)

Alex Reynolds (102024) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374566)

Apple: We need a G5 in the PowerBook line now, not six months from now.

The G4 is grossly underpowered in comparison with a Centrino -- many audio applications in particular that are run from a portable PC now run circles around the Apple equivalent.

We need a professional portable and the G4 has not cut it for at least a year now.

-Alex

Re:Give this a miss (1, Informative)

z-kungfu (255628) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374704)

Crack smoker! The powerbook is still way ahead of the PC's. My 667 DVI Powerbook runs rings around the 2.4 Dell I have from work, it's just silly. And over half of the Win apps just about kill the whole system. I want a G5 laptop as much as the next guy, but the G4 is still the best game in town.

Re:Give this a miss (2, Informative)

brucmack (572780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374765)

You'll noticed that he mentioned Centrino (actually the processor is the Pentium M). A 2.4 GHz machine is going to be slower than a 1.6 GHz Pentium M on certain applications, because of its short pipeline and larger cache.

Re:Give this a miss (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374717)

> The G4 is grossly underpowered in comparison with a Centrino [...]

Centrino is the name of the CPU, chipset, and WLAN card. The CPU is called the Pentium-M (or Banias). It's a sort of hybrid between the Tualatin P3 and the P4, taking the best features from both, with energy efficiency as one of the primary design goals. It's probably the nicest chip Intel has done in years.

Re:Give this a miss (5, Insightful)

Jord (547813) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374839)

Well this is a bunch of horseshit. The G4 runs applications perfectly well. I develop professional applications on my PowerBook all day long and there is no issue with its speed.

I know of several people a few of which are into professional video and audio editing and they have no issues with their PowerBooks either. Hell some of them are using models from a couple of years ago.

Comments like this are pure FUD. Yes the G5 is great, can't wait to get one in a PowerBook, but the G4 PowerBooks work very well.

Whoever modded this as interesting needs to be flogged.

Re:Give this a miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374882)

Well this is a bunch of horseshit. The G4 runs applications perfectly well. I develop professional applications on my PowerBook all day long and there is no issue with its speed.
Would you say the same about the desktop G4 towers?

Too easy... (4, Funny)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374573)

I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package

Don't you mean, "on a small package"?

Re:Too easy... (1)

PurdueGraphicsMan (722107) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374600)

Again I'd like to point out that I didn't make that statement. Pudge graciously added it to my post... :)

Re:Too easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374668)

Just the fact that you are pointing it out makes me suspicious!

Google cache links (-1, Redundant)

cache_automaton (755685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374579)

Google has some applicable cache hits.

Apple - PowerBook G4 [google.com]
Apple - G5 Processor [google.com]

Re:Google cache links (1)

avalys (221114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374650)

Unless apple.com has been Slashdotted (which is doubtful), those links are completely useless.

Re:Google cache links (-1, Offtopic)

cache_automaton (755685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374724)

Not necessarily. There is more use to a google cache than just avoiding a slashdotting. No cookies, guaranteed.

Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (5, Funny)

merlyn (9918) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374591)

Of course, it had to happen. Within two weeks or so of almost every Apple purchase I've made over the past 11 years, Apple has announced a much better unit for less money.

And I just bought the 1.25Ghz AlBook, last week.

I'm thinking of starting to take up a fund, to help me buy any existing technology that people want upgraded. Then, it'll be a matter of two weeks and, ta-da, new tech is now available!

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (1)

hrbrmstr (324215) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374681)

Likewise, I'm not sure if I should order the 12" PowerBook I was going to get this week. I'm now considering holding off, but my G4 tower needs a companion!

Decisions, decisions...

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (5, Informative)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374777)

"Of course, it had to happen. Within two weeks or so of almost every Apple purchase I've made over the past 11 years, Apple has announced a much better unit for less money."

Apple will let you "trade in" any purchases you made, if a newer model is released. I can't remember if it's for 14 days or more that the coverage applies to. I believe it's 14 days though.

Just call the Apple store if a new model is released, like tomorrow, and they can hook you up. I did just that when I purchased my 17" Studio Display (price dropped $200 3 or 4 days after my purchase, and I got my money back).

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374795)

My 17" G4 1GHz AlBook arrived Saturday -- bought it refurbed (i.e., in perfect condition) from Apple last week for only $2300 (taxes and shipping included).
I am in love with this machine.

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374820)

Same thing happened to me. I bought my PowerBook (my first Mac) last Monday.

However, I love the thing. I don't care if they somehow manage to release a G5 next week. I don't like to by rev 1 products, and my 1.25 G4 Powerbook is my computer of choice. I only boot up my PC at home to play the occasional "WarHeads" or when I need to get use Visual Studio .Net.

They'll have to pry my precious PwerBook from my cold dead hands.

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (0, Redundant)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374843)

A friend of mine did that during the G3 to G4 Power Mac transition. I told him everyday for a month "don't do it, you'll only regret it". He bought the blue G3 and the next week they announced the G4.

Apple is notorious for that. Perhaps people will begin to learn and not make the same mistakes. Or, 11 years later, maybe they won't (:

Re:Guaranteeing Apple speed/feature bumps (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374886)

Easy there, guy. Motorola is just announcing the new chips today. I'd guess you have at least a couple months before Apple announces a new PowerBook model, and a month or two after that before they ship.

(I speak advisedly: I'm typing this from a TiBook purchased in May of 2003, about 4 months before the shiny 15" AlBook you're using was announced.)

I've got lots of power in a big package (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374617)

...and it's also in my lap!

Faster or longer battery life? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374644)

Apple needs the G5. Powerbooks used to have a great advantage over x86 laptops in the battery life department, but that is no longer true. The 15" and 17" models typically only last 3 - 4.5 hours on a charge, the 12" maybe a little longer. iBooks last longer, but are a bit underpowered. With the introduction of the Pentium-M, there are now x86 laptops that are both faster and last longer on a charge (like the IBM T41). The Powerbook G5 cannot come soon enough.

Re:Faster or longer battery life? (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374711)

Maybe apple just needs better battery technology first. It usually takes quite a bit of time for apples advances to show up in the compedators anyway.

Hypocrite! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374679)

I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package...

You know you want it.

Cache money (2, Interesting)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374683)

Only 512K of cache? No thanks. I'll stick with my Centrino with 1MB. I try and try, and just can't kill the battery in it.

Now if the bastards at Intel would just release the fucking wireless driver for Linux already, I'd be a happy camper.

Poor performance (4, Interesting)

iJed (594606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374688)

I really hope that Apple do not release another G4 based PowerBook. Although I am pretty doubtful that this rumour is true.

The 166MHz bus in this thing is hardly going to be able to feed a 1.5GHz G4 CPU since this poor bus performance already cripples the current models. At least it seems they have got the L3 cache back. That should at least make things a little better.

I think Apple is more likely to use these faster G4s in eMac and iBook models rather than in PowerBooks. I think the iMac will also go G5 soon too.

This won't be the last notebook G4 (4, Interesting)

amichalo (132545) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374695)

There is no doubt the G4 will remain a staple in Apple's notebook lineup through 2005.

It amazes me that my 1st generation 400 Mhz G4 Powerbook is mostly hindered by lack of RAM (256mb installed) than processing speed. I have no doubt a 1Ghz G4 iBook would satisfy the computing needs of a liberal arts college student. Perhaps for those in engineering or graphics classes they would push the envelope, but teh G4 remains a great chip.

I would rather enjoy the cost savings and power consumption savings of a G4 laptop than the cool factor of a G5 because I just don't have that great a need.

iBook (3, Interesting)

valkraider (611225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374703)

My bet is that the next PowerBook sports a G5, while these new G4s are used in the iBooks.

I would expect something like this:

Powerbook G5, 2Ghz, 1.8Ghz, 1.6Ghz
iBook G4, 1.5Ghz, 1.33Ghz, 1.1Ghz

With the new line of iBooks having the bus speed/architecture of the current PowerBooks (essentially I would think the current Powerbooks be given the new G4, changed into a white plastic outfit, and rebadged iBook - well, basically excluding the 17inch model of course...)

Sad news ... Stephen King, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374716)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

One more G4 for the PowerBook? (1)

Zixia (534893) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374810)

I thought 'one more G4 for the Powerbook' meant that it would be getting dual-processors to speed things up.

I guess if Apple did that, they would then add an extra 17" screen to create the DSBook.

What a troll post (-1, Troll)

tombou (233875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374818)

I have a 17" 1.33 with 768MB ram. It is a nice machine BUT -- it really isnt all that. A G5 would be nice since the PC world already has a 64bit AMD in a laptop. Also, Apple could work on faster boot times for OS X. It boots so much slower than XP, Linux or OpenBSD.

Heat (2, Insightful)

charnov (183495) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374825)

The 90nm G5s are already in the new Xserves. Anyone notice they had to remove one of the hard drive bays to allow for the extra airways?

Anyways, I'll put my Athlon 64 laptop against anything Apple can put in a laptop. Escpecially dollar for dollar. And no, I know what you are thinking, it barely gets warm.

Just think, the 35 watt Athlons 64s roll out in the next two months and it will get even better.

how to mod an article (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374836)

It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package while other people can't even get it in a PC tower.

How do I mod an article as a troll?

Ok, there's the setup (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8374868)

I don't want a G5 on my lap anyway. It'd make me feel guilty, having that much power in a small package
Ok, our straightman has given the setup line. Punchline deliverers, please form a queue...

Applications (2, Interesting)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8374869)

I doubt that we will be seeing laptops with more than 4GB of memory anytime soon. Virtual memory is slow for the kinds of applications normally used on a 64-bit system. If virtual memory is used, we might be seeing more 32-bit applications that does paging of 4GB blocks before the implementation of a 64-bit Apple laptop. I also think that most people would be running their 64-bit memory addressing applications for long spans time and I doubt that they would use a laptop for them. And as for 64-bit integer applications, I would love to have faster encryption with larger keys on my laptop but most people still use 32-bit systems and using such key sizes would be inpolite. Faster internal data transfer will be useful though. In conclusion, I think that the applications for 64-bit machines are inappropriate for laptops and there will not be much of an advantage for a 64-bit laptop.
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