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Microsoft Beta Includes Built-in Virus Scanner

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the goodbye-norton-and-mcafee dept.

Windows 867

Ethereal writes "InternetNews.com reports that Microsoft has begun beta-testing a built-in virus scanner for its Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) that will be included in the final product in mid-2004. The tool is among the operating system enhancements the Redmond, Wash., company is developing as part of its Security Center initiative to rebuff viruses, worms, trojans and crackers. Microsoft will also provide free online training to help developers make the most of SP2's security features, Chairman Bill Gates said at today's RSA Security conference. It's the first time the company has offered training with a Windows service pack release."

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867 comments

TACO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378906)

YOU ARE A FAGGOT FP FUCKERS

Oh boy (5, Interesting)

Lord Grey (463613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378908)

I bet the anti-virus software companies are really going to like this one.

I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the morn (5, Insightful)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378962)

I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the Morning.

I bet the anti-virus software companies are really going to like this one.


How long do you think it will take for Symantic, etc to file antitrust against microsoft. 6 months? 12 Months?

How about not making it so easily vulnerable to viruses in the first place. This is like putting a band-aid on a arterial wound. Microsoft needs to get a clue.

Re:I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the m (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379106)

you geeks are funny. you are all against government intervention until it comes to a company's right to sell its products.

Re:I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the m (2, Funny)

jonfromspace (179394) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379156)

Not nearly as long as it will take the planet's collective sys admins to deploy SP2!

Re:Oh boy (2, Insightful)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378984)

Or how long will it take them to release a service pack to fix the anti-virus program that either deletes/quarentines legit applications or has so many security holes in it that it actually helps virus spread.

Re:Oh boy (1)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379019)

I bet the [bbc.co.uk] EU [slashdot.org] are really going to like this one.

Anti-Trust Anyone? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379056)

As if bundling windows media player wasn't enough, they added a firewall, now a virus scanner & pop-up stopper. How do they think the DOJ will let this slide? That aside, McAfee is going to get mighty pissed. You think MS will keep paying them to scan Hotmail attachments once they've cooked up their own inhouse solution? I forsee legal action in Microsoft's future.

Re:Oh boy (2, Insightful)

Blastrogath (579992) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379065)

Do you want to trust Microsoft to stop viruses?

Seems like a bad bet to me. If I want good anti-virus software I'm getting it elsewhere.

Riiiight (5, Funny)

VFVTHUNTER (66253) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378914)

You install the software, boot it for the first time, run its virus scanner, which uninstalls said software. Nice, Huh?

Heh heh heh heh... (0, Troll)

NeoTheOne (673445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379112)

HehehehehehahahahahehehahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HAHAHAHhehahahehehahahaha!!WHEW!! Oh boy! Man, talk about "always trust Microsoft"....to make with the funnies!

hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378916)

kindly read the attached love letter from me

<<Attachment: loveletter.txt.vbs>>

serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc.. (4, Insightful)

frenetic3 (166950) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378918)

this next service pack is going to seriously fuck up some software industries... a better personal firewall, a popup killer, and now antivirus, all now bundled with the OS? and free?!

it's good that MS is being proactive (and i don't think they're doing this on purpose -- there is of course legitimate demand for these features), but it's chilling to see how they're capable of slaying entire software industries with the press of a button. this is going to RAPE antivirus/firewall/popup killing companies/industries, even if they have better products -- most consumers, and even a good chunk of small to mid-size businesses, only need a basic virus scanner, for example. and it's pretty fucking hard to compete with OS-preinstalled AND free.

sigh. grab your ankles [yahoo.com] .

of course this doesn't apply to all software products, but, what's the incentive to create a clever software product anymore, especially a small but ingenious shareware-type app, if all it takes is for MS to assign a couple of lackeys in MS Research to duplicate your product and then preinstall it with the next version of the OS for free? obligatory examples are netscape and winzip but really they're innumerable.

next on death row: spam stoppers, anti-spyware utils...

they really ought to have split MS up.

-fren

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (3, Insightful)

MagicM (85041) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378973)

I'm sure the initial product will be free, but something makes me think that MS will be just as eager to charge you a monthly fee for Virus Definition Updates.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379058)

> I'm sure the initial product will be free, but something makes me think that MS
> will be just as eager to charge you a monthly fee for Virus Definition Updates.

No, it's only logical that a company in a capitalist society should choose to make money by comitting to a lot of work every month, forever, for free.

Of course they're going to charge for it.

Bundled with the OS, for free? (4, Insightful)

lionchild (581331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378983)

Well, perhaps this time around, we'll get it for free. However, how much will it cost us in the next versions lisence? Or when we renew corporate agreements? And support agreements? Oh, sure...it's just an extra $50/seat!

I can see the hand writing on the wall now.

Re:Bundled with the OS, for free? (2, Insightful)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379044)

before you know it you be paying monthly fees for a subscription based operating system. Just going to add fuel to the linux fire.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378993)

i am waiting for the next round of anit-trust lawsuits. Microsofts actions while they may have good intent are only going to destroy competition and inventiveness. There will be less of a drive to create new things if microsoft monopolizes the market. But funny how this sounds so familiar. Just like every other debate we have over them

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (4, Informative)

funny-jack (741994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379009)

If there's one software industry I wouldn't shed many tears over the loss of, it's the one whose business model is to profit thanks to viruses.

Get Grisoft. [grisoft.com]

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (4, Interesting)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379015)

No joke! I'm still angry about Henry Ford putting all those carriage makers out of business.

Oh, you are being serious. A company does something to make it's customers happy, and you want government gangsters to split them up because they put someone else out of business? As a consumer, what entitles TrendMicro to my $$$ when I would rather give it to MS (or not give it - service packs are free.

Get a clue. Just because you can write code doesn't mean you understand economics [capitalism.org] .

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (1)

forgetmenot (467513) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379029)

On the flip side, maybe the same companies will try to mitigate their losses by porting their software to Linux. Ok yeah, I know... Linux doesn't suffer from viruses, etc to anywhere near the same extent and even then they would be different viruses to boot. But as it gains popularity its only a matter of time and the free ones that come with the distributions uh... well.. nevermind.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (4, Interesting)

pcx (72024) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379033)

Hmm so Microsoft can't add anything to their product because there's another company already doing the same thing for their product. Yea that's really bright. Lets deny MS the right to improve their OS then Linux will be the defacto OS -- but oh wait, gotta rip out the firewall because norton makes one, gotta rip out the browser because that would stomp on opera. Rip out that media player because we gotta make sure REAL makes money, oh lord we can't forget about real.

And splitting up MS wouldn't have done jack squat about this. The OS division would have happilly put in virus and firewall protection and you know why? BECAUSE THAT KIND OF STUFF BELONGS IN THE OS! (WoW). Shoot, we can be grateful they didn't split MS up because then the OS division would be all over the place and wouldn't have to worry about bogus (don't let them improve the product!) BS like this.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (2, Interesting)

adamshelley (441935) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379075)

Well look,

They have to realize that they are a software company. All of these companies have had a jump on these technologies for a long time. If they are to succeed, their product will simply have to be better than what is included offered at a valuable price to the consumer.

Now, the software business is no different than anything else. In order to reduce risk, you have to diverisfy. If your soul business is personal/firewall and antivirus you will know that you are in a highly competative market(high risk).

If you expect to run a business you will have to design your operations to be able to overcome industry trends or you will fail. There is no sense to cry, its just logical.

Its like a programmer concentrating on 1 language. Sure its great if you know the one language, but when companies don't wanna spend money on developping in that language any more what are you going to do?

Eggs in one basket? Please think.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (5, Informative)

spacefrog (313816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379091)

obligatory examples are netscape and winzip

The ZIP handling features in XP are licensed from WinZip. I'm sure Microsoft is by far and away Niko's best customer.

like it or not (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379147)

Capitalism doesn't work everywhere. Nothing does. The world is not that simple.

Why do people freak out about free software included with windows? Linux distributions must come with 12 different web browsers and people think it is a good thing. Microsoft includes one and the government gets involved. What is different between the two scenarios? Linux isn't capitalist, Microsoft is.

Re:serious shit for mcafee, norton, zonealarm, etc (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379151)

...if all it takes is for MS to assign a couple of lackeys in MS Research to duplicate your product and then preinstall it with the next version of the OS for free?

And here I was thinking that copyrights/patents were supposed to protect us from all that...

Linux lags (-1)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (659566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378925)

Just another way Microsoft has one-upped Linux.

I bet it'll be years before the Open Source community can engineer a virus scanner to keep up with the one soon to be included with Windows.

Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (4, Interesting)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378926)

Will the inclusion of A default Scanner kill Norton and Mcaffee? I think they are now sitting ducks. why buy what comes free with your new computer?

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378964)

I wouldnt say they are totally dead. However, I do expect massive layoffs.

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (1)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379027)

At some point, will the neverending stream of stuff that MS expects people to DL (service packs, windows messenger updates, now virus updates) ever stop?

If they can't get their patching model quite right just yet, how do they expect to get virus downloads and updates right, which are sometimes even more timely?

I can't wait for the MS personal mail server with built-in MSN spam filtering that constantly downloads spam rules....

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379028)

Or it could provide a new API, to leverage their specialties against. Norton and McCaffy will frequently spend more time fighting with a system than protecting it.

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (1)

Mr. No Skills (591753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379054)

Just add them to the big giant list (Netscape, Novell, WordPerfect, computer pinball game makers, cc:Mail, a dozen Borland products, etc. etc. etc.).

"Microsoft Business Partner" seems to mean "someone we'll screw out of market share as soon as they make too much." Quicken is the only one hanging in there, I think.

doubt it... (1)

fullmetal55 (698310) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379066)

The microsoft (symantec rebrand) anti-virus software in Dos 6 didn't kill it... in fact it sucked... i expect the new anti-virus to suffer the same fate...

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (1)

bee-yotch (323219) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379068)

Who knows, maybe they'll just open source their virus scanners and only charge for services (hey, I can dream ;))... I'm sure microsoft will still charge their user's to get the latest virus definitions.

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379076)

I couldn't tell freom the article. Maybe they're using some crippled version of Norton, like scandisk and defrag. A long time MS had a real funky virus scanner that came with 3.1.

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (4, Informative)

tb3 (313150) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379136)

Doubt it. Remember that Microsoft bought an eastern european anti-virus software company a few months ago.

Re:Good bye Norton and Mcaffee? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379115)

free alternatives never hurt them before, and their industry in the first place is just patching up behind someone else(really, how much longevity do you see in that? building a business around fixing problems created by somebody elses bad behauvior?).

remember msav? like, did it fix the virus problem? or that old viruses didn't play well with first w95 and then nt?

initial system output... (3, Funny)

glen604 (750214) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378927)

Error! Error! entire system has holes in it for potential viruses. Please change operating systems or send us money immediately!

Re:initial system output... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378997)

LOL ! M$ JOKES r teh funny!! u r witty!! asl?!? kthx!

McAffee, Norton? (4, Insightful)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378932)

What happens with these programs? Does both the Windows virus scanner and the 3rd party work at the same time? Or is it something that you can set in the settings, like "default browser".

Interesting!

Re:McAffee, Norton? (4, Informative)

OneFix at Work (684397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379143)

You can certainly run more than one virus scanner at a time. Some ppl that use FREE virus scanners on windoze machines use both AVG and Avast!. The only problem is that the more scanners you put on your system, the slower the system will get. So, it's certainly possible (some do it to add an extra level of security)...

thank god (1)

funkywhat2 (731199) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378935)

ms shouls have been doing this all along, and i'm glad to see that they finally are. lets just hope they keep on top of updates better than they keep on top other security problems.

Not much of a fix... (3, Insightful)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378944)

But a good idea, I guess. I'm kind of surprised they didn't get into the anti-virus biz a long time ago. Maybe they felt it would be an admission of weakness or something.

Anti-Trust? (5, Interesting)

sterno (16320) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378947)

Would this be a vioaltion of their anti-trust agreement? Seems like this could really put the hurt on Norton, etc.

Re:Anti-Trust? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379137)

Seems like a cop out. Who needs anti-virus software when you have a decent security model in your OS? If windows users didn't run as the equivalent of root 100% of the time, it'd be a lot rougher for viruses to spread. Not to mention active-x drive-by advertisement crap.

You don't see Norton for BSD or Linux.

Too far? Or not far enough? (3, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378950)

Monopolistic overreaching of power, or fantastic move to combat viruses? It doesnt really matter, as MS is going to be both praised and sued for this move, even tho it may turn out to be a great one. You cant satisfy all of the people all of the time.

Wrong dept name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378951)

Please change the "goodbye" to "good riddance."

so... (2, Insightful)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378952)

same thing as releasing security updates. But they can set it up to automatically update with this heading and people are less likely to disable it.

Re:so... (2, Interesting)

and by (598383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379094)

Will it matter? MS isn't exactly the speediest when it comes to releasing fixes (unless you have that non-normal-end-user agreement that big companies get). I'm sure that worms will continue to spread just as quickly; only cleanup will be a little faster.

When are they going to learn. (3, Interesting)

readpunk (683053) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378955)

A single byte of new code spawned from the beast just leads to another potential for 1000 bytes of code to exploit it. When will they learn to remove instead of add?

Bye Symantec, Bye McAfee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378957)

It was nice knowing you.

Re:Bye Symantec, Bye McAfee (1)

ls-lta (681694) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379080)

This is not the first time that MS has put out a firewall or a virus scanner. The question is, will they do a better job this time, or will people just disable it?

Chicken and egg (4, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378959)

... Microsoft will be including a scanner which can scan for viruses which get in through security holes in their OS?

Ow. I think I just broke my brain.

Hey Jerry? Is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379096)

Your observational humor. Still not funny.

I know no one here checks their work. Seriously, reading slashdot, I don't just believe it, I KNOW it.

Yea because it's not like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379127)

the most profilic viruses use the email exe attachment method or anything...

Shares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378966)

If I had shares in an AV company I'd be selling them off right about now.

Monopoly considerations aside... (3, Interesting)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378967)

Isn't it a really bad idea to have the primary defense mechanism INTEGRATED WITH THE OPERATING SYSTEM? What the hell?

Re:Monopoly considerations aside... (0, Offtopic)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379078)

flamebait my ass, it's a valid question. Now, THIS is flamebait, dumbass.

Re:Monopoly considerations aside... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379157)

The mayor of San Francisco is my new hero!

I bet he is you man-fucking faggot.

Ms did this before (5, Interesting)

tekiegreg (674773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378968)

In DOS 6.22 they included a virus scanner [pmt.org] with the operating system. A deviation of the now defunct central point anti-virus software. Anybody got any idea why they quit doing that in Win95 and beyond? My theories are as follows:

  • After central point died, MS just didn't bother trying another one
  • Another anti virus vendor cried "Anti-Trust!" and MS backed down
  • None were ready for Win95 at the time
  • MS just didn't care
  • Any combo of the above...
I can't help but think though, had MS continued with offering anti-virus software, they MyDoom virus (amongst other worms) might have been a fraction of the attack it was...so sad...

Re:Ms did this before (1, Interesting)

OneFix at Work (684397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379095)

No, it's much easier than that. When M$ was marketing Windoze 95, they went around saying that a virus couldn't be written for their new OS...

Those that have heard any of the circa '95 M$ talks to users groups should be able to confirm this...

Re:Ms did this before (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379100)

I always assumed that they stopped shipping MSAV because they didn't want to deal with constantly updating virus defs.

Personally, Norton and MacAfee be damned, I think it's good to see it back. Despite what others think, I doubt we'll see MSFT expecting subscription fees.

And dont all these slashbots want to see the worms/viruses stopped?

Re:Ms did this before (2, Insightful)

Malk-a-mite (134774) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379125)

"Another anti virus vendor cried "Anti-Trust!" and MS backed down"

For some silly reason I don't think this would be the reason....

well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8378969)

I'm just posting these email addresses so they get added to major spam lists, pay no mind.

mmarsh12@juno.com

bobsaccountant@comcast.net

In this matter, I'd say that microsoft could see another antitrust lawsuit from mcafee and it's brethren for kinda stealing away business. A feature like this is definately needed, but also takes away business from the antivirus industry.

Virus Scanner (1)

Just Jeff (5760) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378971)

Its also the first time Microsoft has ever acknowledged virus scanners. Up until now, that would have required admitting that the OS is easily compromised. I guess these days, its pretty common knowledge.

Like that will work... (2, Interesting)

bbowers (596225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378975)

So what happens when the virus scanner either deletes a critical windows file or itself cause it _thinks_ it knows what it's doing... I can't wait to see how many fixes come out for this thing.

Apple overcharges (-1)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (659566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378977)

Doesn't apple charge $130 for their "service packs," while Microsoft gives them away and they include even more upgrades?

The more important question..... (5, Interesting)

Dr Reducto (665121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378978)

What kind of viruses will the scanner delete?

Will we have the choice to turn theirs off?

I mean, Microsoft is so lax with their security updates, I am not sure if they would create a false sense of security. Also, what if Microsoft detects illegal software? Is this a virus? Will we retain control? Is this a premonition of the TCPA?

Re:The more important question..... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379102)

The Internet is doomed. Users will stick with the default Windoze virus scanner which will be updated once a year with a patch from Microsoft which will then be installed six months after it is released, and all the spammers will drown the rest of us out with the hijacked bandwidth from all the 0wnz0r3d b0x3n.

AND, it will probably start sneakily disabling competitors' programs. Bah.

Some possibilities. (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378988)

They're doing this together with some large AV-vendor like Symantec. .. or are they going to piss off all of them?

I guess the only solution then is to make the software just barely usable such that the AV-vendors can continue to "user friendly" products. See, no toes hurt.

Or I guess MS could stand for the infrastructure and then [help] sell subscriptions from differnet vendors, but that'd be a mess.

(No, I didn't RTFA)

OEM bundles... (3, Interesting)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378992)

Dell WinME machines still came preloaded with WinDVD, despite the built in DVD player of WinME. It's all up to Gateway, Dell and such whether to include additional software to match a build in OS feature.

What's next? (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378995)

The next Service Pack is going to turn the DVD burners in to toasters.

General Electric is gonna be pissed!

Virus Scan Reports (1, Funny)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378996)

Virus found: C:\WINDOWS

Change of heart (1)

IamGarageGuy 2 (687655) | more than 10 years ago | (#8378999)

I take back all of the nasty things I said about MS not helping with the anti-virus fight. Service pack help also! I am astounded. We will have to wait and see what develops, but just this step in the right direction has me all teary eyed. Maybe they aren't the evil empire, Borg, baby eating, satan loving jerks that I thought they were....well I won't go that far just yet.

Trust the leaders of shitty code... (0)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379005)

...to protect me from worms that exploit their os... and other such things...

I THINK NOT!

It's bad enought i have to use it im not going to trust it.

M$ Anti-virus (2, Interesting)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379007)

Anti virus software needs to be constantly updated. I'm still waiting for somebody to hack the ability to fake a Microsoft Certificate, so they can use the update mechanism to distribute viruses/worms instead. What are the chances of Microsoft's security measures actually becoming yet another vector for compromising security? Am I the only one that wonders if I'm actually getting Microsoft blessed software every time I run Windows Update?

Quick, quick (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379010)

Microsoft Beta Includes Built-in Virus Scanner

Time to dump your McAfee and Simantec stock as fast as possible.

Isn't that a brilliant scam? (1) Microsoft messes up and makes virus- and worm-prone products. (2) A whole industry develops around the Microsoft flaws like mold on cheese, (3) Microsoft takes over the Microsoft-problem-solving industry.

Brilliant, just brilliant. These guys never cease to amaze me.

Best anti virus tool MS can do (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379011)

Toss vb6.dll out of the development tree!

Punt it! PUNT IT!!

Joint press release from McAffee, Symantec & A (5, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379012)

Joint press release from McAffee, Symantec & AVG:

"Holy fucking shit fuck!"

Out of the way... (-1, Flamebait)

buddha42 (539539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379017)

Hurr hurr... does it detect the OS as the worlds biggest virus that it is?

For all the inevitable Monopoly comments to come (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379018)

Good! One less thing to have to buy every year.

Motivation (1)

PurdueGraphicsMan (722107) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379020)

Actually, I bet Microsoft is building in a virus scanner so your (previous) virus scanner won't go off every time one of it's many security holes is exploited. Good thinking. Because your virus scanner didn't pickup the virus, you don't have one!!!! Yipee!

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379032)

Where would M$ be today if they did this a few years ago?

Wow (4, Interesting)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379034)

Crushing the anitvirus industry in the name of security. Good one. I'm sure Longhorn will have more advanced CD burning capabilities too. Wonder what the folks at Symantec and McAfee think about this?

Didn't we just go through this over IE? (1)

dankney (631226) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379035)

Prepare for another round of anti-trust litigation. It's interesting timing, though, right before the final European settlement.

You think if US courts did more than slapped M$ on the wrist this would be starting all over?

Rumors... (2, Funny)

SushiFugu (593444) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379045)

From what I hear, they will be including a never before seen virus definition to help weed out machines on the network that have been infected with that "Linux" virus they've been trying to stop for so long. :)

But... (0)

Bon bons (734068) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379047)

Granted, it's going to spell trouble for many software engineers, but I think the long term benefits will outweigh it. Lets face it, there are a lot of people who don't know much about computers--they wouldn't know how to install a anti virus program even if it came bundled as an .exe with the header reading "I LUV U". At least now maybe we'll see a drop in computer viruses turning $1,200 computers into spam machines.

Smith and Wesson to ship band-aids with each gun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379048)

Come on, what happened to 'an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure?'

before long (1)

Digitus1337 (671442) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379050)

Before long there will be a virus that is distributed through the update service of this feature. Irony will prevail.

Virus scanner (5, Informative)

asmussen (2306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379053)

I've been working with beta builds of SP2 at work, and from looking at it, I am under the impression that what Microsoft is actually including is not actually a virus scanner, but rather integration with 3rd party virus scanners. The last build I tested (2077), complained that I didn't have any virus scanning software installed, and suggested that I remedy the situation. Poking around revealed that it has the capability to work with many existing virus scanning packages, and warn you when your virus definitions are out of date, and possibly even keep them up to date for you. Of course, maybe what I've seen so far is only a prelude to full blown anti-virus software from MS...

Here's to hoping... (1)

freeze128 (544774) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379060)

I just hope that the next OS (Longhorn?) has an option to NOT EVEN INSTALL these features, but leave them checked by default. Just in case I do want to install my own firewall, my own web browser, my own antivirus, and my own pop-up blocker. The LAST thing we need is more crap "built-in" to the OS.

Hardly a big surprise.... (5, Informative)

Richard_L_James (714854) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379069)

... when it was reported last year by ZDNET [zdnet.co.uk] / news.com [com.com] / Network Fusion [nwfusion.com] / pcmag [pcmag.com] ... that Microsoft were to buy a Romanian antivirus company !

Antivirus software is better served at the router (2, Interesting)

ajiva (156759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379071)

Persoanlly I think anti-virus software should run at the router of your ISP. That way PC's are never affected (or rarely).

Public Relations (3, Insightful)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379073)

They will probably avoid all the public relations nightmares surrounding security updates by embedding the security updates in the Virus definition updates. Then, it won't look like the OS is broke anymore.. It'll just be "Virus definition updates" everyday.

curious (1)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379097)

I wonder if the windows AV will have support for macros built right in, for convenience sake, that is ;-) And if it's anything like the built-in firewall, Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro, and the rest of the fellas have very little to fear.

sliced bread (1)

perler (80090) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379099)

they will sell it as the best thing since sliced bread - and will claim the invention..

PAT

Oh, give me a fucking break... (5, Insightful)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379129)

You're bitching because Microsoft finally added a popup blocker, a better firewall, and some AV utils?

If Microsoft didn't include these items, you'd be the same one fucking bitching that they weren't securing their software good enough.

The Sharecropper Analogy (5, Insightful)

thesolo (131008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379144)

This goes back to Tim Bray's Sharecropper Analogy [tbray.org] .

Essentially, the idea is that if you're not developing for an open platform, you're a sharecropper. Your entire existance as a developer is predicated on the fact that you're working for someone else's platform that they own and control. If they decide that they like your product's functionality, they can either buy you out, or simply integrate it into the platform, most likely putting you out of business.

Apple has does this in the past, with Watson & Sherlock, and Microsoft has done this many, many times. Netscape, Winamp, and now Norton & McAfee. Microsoft has a pattern of simply offering a product as an additional download, then tying it into the next version of the OS with no real way to remove it.

What this means for Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro, and the dozens of other AV people is not exactly clear yet. But it's a good possibility that many of their employees will be touching up their resumes once this Service Pack gets released. Unless, of course, they sue MS. Either way, I see this as a major strain on their business relationships with Microsoft.

Should we... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8379153)

Setting: Microsoft Board room.
Cast: the usual suspects
Topic: Features to ad to Windows

Hmm, should we:

a) fix the virus problem
b) ship a virus checker to fix the problem after its already happened and pub McCaffee & co out of business
c) integrate the browser into windows

c, b, and at last resort a

Tidiest technical solution?? (1)

mwc28 (622947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8379159)

Is including a virus scanner really a sound answer to the problems of virii and trogans.

Removing the features that allow such programs to operate would be a better technical solution, securing the code. Rather than adding another layer of cruft that can contain holes?

Admittedly securing the code would change the anti-virus business to one that only considered malicious scripts and spyware

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