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Rome Moving to Linux

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the all-roads-lead-to-linux dept.

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fmstasi writes "La Repubblica, one of the main Italian newspapers, reports shortly about an interview (in Italian) with Mariella Gramaglia, Communication Councillor at the Municipality of Rome. They are planning to start soon trying Linux on the desktop: 'The first tests will concern e-mail, address book software and sharing systems', she says. The Councillor also says that motivations are political rather than economic: 'In the short term, the money saved on license will have to be spent on training'. It seems that there haven't been any reaction yet from Microsoft: 'At Microsoft they know how much we esteem them', she says; 'for example, they are sponsoring a campaign to spread the use of computers among the elderly. And we'll keep on cooperating with them on other projects'. Maybe Microsoft also appreciates that there is (yet) no project of migrating all the clients? The Municipality has about 9,500 clients, so an eventual migration project would be slightly smaller than the one taking place in Munich."

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Advice wanted please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396869)

Myself [stallman.org] and my partner [catb.org] have for the last 13 years been doing our best to raise our adopted son in the fine traditions [lemonparty.org] of GNU/Linux and free software. Imagine my horror when, upon arriving home early from work yesterday, I caught my boy touching himself while looking at pictures [freebsd.org] like this [imagewhore.com]!

Further examination of his hard drive (made easy by the numerous exploits [www.isec.pl] possible with the Linux kernel) we discovered references to a despicable non-GNU OS [freebsd.org] and other subversive material [slashdot.org].

What should we do? How can we guide our boy away from filth like this [electricrain.com] and back to the true GNU way [gay-sex-access.com]?

-- Richard

Re:Advice wanted please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397192)

no, no. not 'myself' but 'i.' troll grammatically, dude

When in Rome.... (-1)

Bame Flait (672982) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396872)

Post First!

Just like the Slashfags like it.

Re:When in Rome.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396902)

You missed FP, loser. Please don't reproduce.

correct link (0, Informative)

Tirel (692085) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396883)

the link in the article is broken: this is the correct link [altavista.com]

Re:correct link (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396928)

Thank you, that was massively informative!

MOD PARENT DOWN - GOATSE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396950)

Link has been changed to redirect to goat.cx.

Re:correct link (-1, Offtopic)

pdpTrojan (454023) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396971)

Thanks, that was exactly the link I was looking for. I really enjoy your informative postings. Please keep them up.

I can't wait for the day (5, Interesting)

mst76 (629405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396885)

that some large organization moving to Linux on the desktop is not considered news anymore.

Re:I can't wait for the day (5, Funny)

jstave (734089) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396926)

A year or two after that maybe we'll start seeing stories about the stranglehold Linux has on the desktop.

Re:I can't wait for the day (2, Funny)

rixstep (611236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397191)

Yep, and then Linus and Andrew will be in Washington DC, complaining they need the 'freedom to innovate'.

And they'll be in Washington because Microsoft sued them under Sherman A-T.

But the judge will say: 'It wasn't them kept you out of their markets - it was your inferior software!'

And then we'll all have a party. Again.

Re:I can't wait for the day (5, Funny)

AnonymousKev (754127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397243)

A year or two after that ...

Good. I'm glad you remembered that Rome wasn't ported in a day.

Re:I can't wait for the day (3, Funny)

JoeZeppy (715167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397300)

Then everyone on /. can start complaining about "paper LCSE's" with no experience being churned out by cut-rate tech schools.

Grizzled old MS vets will pine for the days when people really knew how to get inside the registry, and writing a good VBScript wasn't a foreign concept.

Re:I can't wait for the day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397059)

No, it isn't news, especially since the headline should read "Rome Bluffing About Moving to Linux to Get Favorable Pricing from Microsoft"

How many times is slashdot going to fall for this? Israel is moving to Open Office, right? Wrong. Houston is moving to Linux, right? Wrong.

Asstards.

Re:I can't wait for the day (2, Insightful)

telbij (465356) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397088)

Of course, when that day comes you won't notice if you're still reading /.

Re:I can't wait for the day (5, Insightful)

FVK (411455) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397111)

It may be sooner than we all imagine. There could be a turning point if MS doesn't get control of this virus and sucurity problem. I work for small business and home computer users, bottom of the barrel stuff maybe, but even on this level people are fed up with Windows and strongly considering OS X, if not Linux quite yet.

On a corporate level, if Linux is up to the task, and the myriad costs associated with Windows are more than the costs of switching and retraining on Linux, well... maybe I'm just dreaming.

Does anyone else think MS's future position seems less certain than ever?

Next thing you know, (5, Funny)

sinergy (88242) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396892)

A horse will be appointed governer!

Re:Next thing you know, (5, Informative)

gertsenl (719370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397157)

No, it's not off topic, it's Funny. Some people don't know their Roman history. See: Caligula [wikipedia.org] and his horse, Incitatus, [wikipedia.org] who he tried to appoint Senator.

Keep in mind folks, that it's a fine line we dance between Funny and Offtopic, because clearly, posted stories are serious things, and to have humor demands that there be something in the statement that is outside the expected line of discussion.

Mercatur has a boyfriend! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396897)

That sexy slut Mercatur has a new boyfriend!

Her discussion boards [mercatur.net]

Will they get jiggy on her WEBCAM? Only time will tell! Tell her how you feel, Slashboys!

Trying or Doing? (5, Interesting)

compbrain (625174) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396905)

They are planning to start soon trying Linux on the desktop:
The subject would suggest that it has been chosen to switch to Linux, but as we can see they are just going to be 'trying it'. How many people have 'tried' switching and given up under pressure from Micro$oft?

Re:Trying or Doing? (4, Insightful)

Wudbaer (48473) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397000)

How many people have 'tried' switching and given up under pressure from Micro$oft?

Oh yes, especially as we all know that Microsoft is cooperating closely with the Italian Mafia. Duh.

Might it be that a lot of people/organizations switch back or abort migration projects because they find out that Linux is not the right thing for them (yet) ?

Re:Trying or Doing? (5, Funny)

Vihai (668734) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397148)

No, italian mafia is Powered By Linux :)

> telnet www.mafia.it 80
Trying 212.78.66.135...
Connected to www.mafia.it.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:53:50 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux)
Last-Modified: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:41:36 GMT
ETag: "18094-5e-3e8b04b0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 94
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

Connection closed by foreign host.

Re:Trying or Doing? (3, Funny)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397307)

Connection closed by foreign host.

For some reason, that message seems more ominous in that context.

Insert standard joke (5, Funny)

tcomeau (114361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396909)

Don't expect to see this right away. After all, the Roman network wasn't built in a day.

(Sorry.)

Re:Insert standard joke (5, Funny)

Lancer (32120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397156)

the Roman network wasn't built in a day
Of course it wasn't! Have you ever had to work a CLI like this?

[caesar@router:/root]# ping -c II CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV

PING CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV (CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV) from CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.XVII : LVI(LXXXIV) bytes of data.
LXIV bytes from CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV: icmp_seq=I ttl=CCLIV time=I ms
LXIV bytes from CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV: icmp_seq=II ttl=CCLIV time=I ms

--- CXCII.CLVIII.CCLIV.CCLIV ping statistics ---
II packets transmitted, II received, no loss, time MVIIms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = I/I/I/none ms

Rome Moving to Linux? (4, Funny)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396910)

This is excellent news!

Hopefully we can shift London to where Rome was before and finally get some decent weather.

Angling for free training (5, Insightful)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396913)

Sounds more like they're trying to coerce Microsoft into giving them free training among other things. I'm not sold on their direction towards Linux based on the statements.

Not really migrating (0, Redundant)

doublem (118724) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397200)

It's pretty clear this is an (empty?) threat to get Microsoft to give them some deals.

Nothing to see here, no real migration in progress.

Rome GA uses Linux (5, Funny)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396920)

I live in Rome, Georgia, and I have to say that everyone here is switching to Linux nonetheless. Well, not everyone, but my large list of friends. =)

It's a fact that things that piss us off, we do not like to continue to use. And well, you know how Italians are... Sorry Microsoft; better them use a different product than yours, than them holding a Godfather-shootout in your HQ in Redmond.

Re:Rome GA uses Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397084)

Georgia, the state, or Georgia, the country?

Re:Rome GA uses Linux (5, Funny)

sik0fewl (561285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397107)

As much as I really like Linux and would like to see Rome using it, I think I'd still rather see a Mafia shootout in Redmond.

Rome NY uses Linux too! (1)

krzysztof (684977) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397128)

I'm using Linux in Rome, NY. So's my roommate.

We also have lots of Italians here, too.

Re:Rome GA uses Linux (1)

Big Nemo '60 (749108) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397241)

I am Italian, and I resent this kind of prejudice agains Italians.

I'll tell my relatives in Chicago to pay you a visit ;-)

How long? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396922)

How long before the US government starts to notice how much foreign countries are saving with OSS?

The US government forgoing M$ would surely be the death knell of Micro$haft W1nbl0ws.

Re:How long? (3, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396960)

" How long before the US government starts to notice how much foreign countries are saving with OSS?"

Typically the US Government is behind the rest of the world in adoption of this kind of tech. So, I would say give it 5 to 10 years after the rest of the world starts to make a serious move towards it. That 5 to 10 years would hold with how they are with other tech programs.

Re:How long? (5, Interesting)

will_die (586523) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397140)

You do have a fair amount of systems that are switching over to Linux as the servers instead of windows. Granted alot of the older ones were originally running on Solaris, then were in the process of being switched in Windows, and then got switched to Linux. However you are also starting to see a fair amount of new large scale projects that start off on Linux.
The biggest problem with Linux on the desktop and for local projects is that most branches of the military get huge enterprise licenses. For example when I was doing work with the Air Force we used Oracle because we could call a number and get a free license for Oracle, now I am working at an Army base we use MS-SQL server because I can call a number and get a free license for MS-SQL server.
Sigh, I do miss my Oracle database it was far easier to provide the solutions the users needed.

Re:How long? (1)

nebaz (453974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396985)

Don't be so sure. Microsoft still has large corporate customers, and a lot of computer practices done by the government are not necessarily copied by industry. I think Microsoft would still have a very strong presence without the support of the government.

Re:How long? (2, Interesting)

Bigby (659157) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397016)

It is not going to happen with politics involved. Do you think the U.S. government cares how much it spends when it means more corporate campaign contributions?

Re:How long? (4, Insightful)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397038)

From the little I know about the US government I don't price is the issue. Earlier this week in the SELinux a military sysop was bemoaning the use of NT 4 because it was verified or validated or whatever. I lived in America for a long while, the government contracts I saw were filled based on how well you were connected or how much you lobbied/bribed. Microsoft has plenty of money to lobby/bribe and so I expect it will always has some sort of foothold.

However on Groklaw a military man wrote a short piece on how the military loves Linux.

So I suppose those areas that need customizability or security over the unwashed masses ability to use it will some sort of *nix.

Can you..... (4, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396923)

"Those of Microsoft know the esteem that we have for they"

"The Common one of Rome ahead slowly towards Linux"

Can you move from M$ to Linux and still kiss M$ ass in the same article??? For the first time I really noticed it in an article.

When in Rome (3, Interesting)

cluge (114877) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396930)

Interesting notes such as "money saved on liscencing will have to be used on training. When will the linux desktop and desktops in general get to the point that they are so intuitive that training won't be requried? Judging by my own experience helping new computer users - not any time soon. While the interface may seem intuitive to you and me, to the complete computer newbie - it is still a challenging jungle.

Re:When in Rome (3, Insightful)

Mick Ohrberg (744441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397042)

It seems that even if the interfaces are very similar, if there's even a slight difference in the look and feel about it (and as soon as there is *ANY* change) there is a need for training. I know from experience that moving from a dumb terminal environment (SunRiver [boundless.com] terminals) to Win95 workstations for a nationwide company required a LOT of training. Surprisingly, whenever an icon was added to the desktop there was an outbreak of confusion and mass hysteria, and more training was required.

Re:When in Rome (5, Insightful)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397216)

Surprisingly, whenever an icon was added to the desktop there was an outbreak of confusion and mass hysteria, and more training was required.

Why is this surprising? Most users use a computer as a toaster, and mostly by rote. Imagine if tommorrow morning your toaster has a new lever on it labelled "PBT 1.0". What is PBT? It is Perfect Brown Toast. But did you KNOW that?

Most users are afraid of this thing called a computer. Here on /. we are comfortable using comnputers, but more importantly we are the curious and adventurous types. Changes do not faze us. We start a new program, without a manual, and can still get a pretty good feel of how to use it.

But to the normal user, a new icon is a terrifying thing. "OH MY GOD, IT IS DIFFERENT!" is a standard reaction.

Re:When in Rome (1)

legojenn (462946) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397257)

I happen do do training on a large database used in my organisation. We SIMPLIFIED the interface and that requires training. For a lot of people, it's 90 minutes away from their desks. I don't mind. I get to see the country on a generous expense account.

Re:When in Rome (3, Insightful)

socode (703891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397065)

Why do you think it's possible to have "desktops... so intuitive that training won't be required"?

Consider: everyone needs to be trained to use a toilet.

Re:When in Rome (5, Interesting)

utahjazz (177190) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397085)

"The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else is learned."
-Steve Jobs

(OK it was actually Bruce Ediger that said that, but Steve Jobs sounds better)

Re:When in Rome (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397211)

I can tell you that for a fact Windows is no easier for novices.
You have no idea how many people find WinZIP and Windows explorer to be "Hard" to use.

When in Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396932)

be a penguin!!

Tux's new motto (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8396978)

Veni, Vidi, Vici

Another entity using Tux as a bargaining chip (3, Insightful)

blcamp (211756) | more than 10 years ago | (#8396980)


Seems to me the City is playing the "we're trying out Linux" card in as a means to publicly complain about Microsoft.

At Microsoft they know how much we esteem them.

Riiiiight. They "esteem them" enough to tell the media they are trying something else.

This has been a tactic tried and true by other customers - it gets Redmond back to the bargaining table, to knock thier bid down a few euros, just as long as they send Tux away.

Like Italians with women (2, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397040)

The Italians I know use thise same tactic with women.

They tell the women they are with how much they love and adore them while they are working a deal with some other woman.

Re:Another entity using Tux as a bargaining chip (1)

kilgortrout (674919) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397121)

I agree. The title of the article should have been "City of Rome seeks pricing concessions from MS by threatening to use linux". Any government agency would be crazy not to try this tactic given MS's behaviour.

'political reasons' (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397003)

When I first read the slashdot writeup, I thought, "So, the Roman Catholic Church is taking a political stance againce Microsoft. This should be interesting."

I guess it's because I was just reading about Gibson's The Passion (which the Vatican seems to like, despite it being horrifically violent), and seeing this happen would be really quite funny. :P

Re:'political reasons' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397117)

No it's cuz you're a retard

politics and religion... (1)

fantomas (94850) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397177)

Speaking of confusion, why are all people getting upset about the violence in Gibson's movie when the whole Hollywood cinema industry glorifies violence in so many other movies?


Is it the specific context in which the violence occurs? My recolllection is that this part of the Bible deals with a lot of violence, including horrific methods of killing people...

Re:'political reasons' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397347)

The Rome municipality has nothing to do with the Vatican state.

Bye bye.

Re:'political reasons' (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397388)

Well, since year 1870 the Municipality of Rome is part of Italy.
The City of Vatican is a small portion of Rome, not Rome itself. The City of Vatican is a separate Country and the Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Municipality of Rome.

mic.

A great success story of Linux on the desktop... (5, Interesting)

LibrePensador (668335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397018)

Why is Munich the frame of reference for Linux on the Desktop when the region of Extremadura (Spain) moved 80,000 desktops to Linux nearly 2 years before Munich even announced its intentions?

More time should be spent on understanding how they did it and why they have had such good results. The move has been an incredible success with copies of Linex (the debian-based distribution they created) being given away when you buy the newspaper.

And schools have transitioned to it. The key, I believe, was localization. They switch the name of openwriter to "Cervantes", the famous Spanish writer, author of Don Quijote. They did the same for all of the applications and streamlined the installation to a process that makes it dead easy for anybody to install it.

Finally, the government is subsidizing the use of linux in rural areas for first-time computer buyers by paying for a chuck of a linux-compatible computer.

So why isn't this being talked about is the greatest mistery to me. Linux is on thousands of government, school and private desktops today. And it works!

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397154)

Maybe because no one really cares for Extremadura, not even in Spain!

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397166)

> when the region of Extremadura (Spain) moved 80,000 desktops to Linux

Uh, maybe because it didn't happen?

(I'm not saying it didn't. Just that it stands to reason that if there really was a 80K Linux Desktop Deployment, we'd WOULD be hearing about it. Mailing out 80K CDs != moving 80K users to Linux)

Last I heard about the Extremadura deal, it took them 6 months to get Printing working.

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (2, Informative)

LibrePensador (668335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397228)

I have no idea what you are referring to. But Linex is very much alive. You can download it here.

http://www.linex.org

And the distribution is actually very decent. I have also seen it widely used in schools.

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (5, Informative)

4lex (648184) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397353)

In fact, the success of LinEx [linex.org] is being so great that it inspired other spanish communities, so that in Andalucia they've got Guadalinex [guadalinex.org]. In Malaga, Andalucia, there was recently an Open Source World conference [opensource...erence.com]. There, about 5000 copies were distributed. Further 100.000 copies of Guadalinex will de distributed [guadalinex.org] in 2004. Free software is alive and well in Spain [libroblanco.com], thank you :) We didn't get the press because Ballmer didn't visit us to offer 90% discounts.

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (2, Informative)

evilad (87480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397250)

The real question is why you, who appear passionately interested in this topic, have not provided any links with relevant background information.

I'm mildly curious, but the merely curious are lazy. Certainly I'm not sufficiently interested to sift through all the press releases and mailing list posts to actually find more than the first [wired.com] couple [glo.org] of nuggets of digestible information.

If you already know something about the project, you are much better placed than I to do a little background research. Go for it!

Re:A great success story of Linux on the desktop.. (1)

LibrePensador (668335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397398)

I submitted a number of stories about the project to Slashdot on this project and its implementation. It was never deemed newsworthy.

Not just another "migration" story (3, Insightful)

the_crowbar (149535) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397028)

After reading the article, those involved are being quite realistic about this test. They are investigating changes for political reasons, but they also expect long term monetary savings.

From the article: (emphasis mine)

Political issues to part, to pass from the software owner that free one would have tradursi in a good saving of money for the communal cases. "But
this probably will happen alone in the medium period", specifies the Gramaglia city council member. "In the short term, what it is saved on the licences rispende in the formation of the staff, that will have to learn to use the new instruments. There are 9500 employs to you communal, by now, that they use the computer ".

This is good for the viability of Linux on the desktop. Object studies of using Linux for desktop machines will highlight weaknesses that can be addressed.

the_crowbar

Re:Not just another "migration" story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397270)

They are investigating changes for political reasons, but they also expect long term monetary savings.

You can bet that those paper "long term" savings will never materialize.

(That statement really has nothing to do with Linux, it's just generally true of system migrations, which almost never deliver the promised "long-term" benefits, and almost always come in way over the original estimates.)

Unless there's some fabulous new capacity which would allow them to massively improve the efficiency of roman bureaucrats (snicker) and/or allow them to lay off a lot of people, there won't be any pot at the end of the rainbow.

The Linux Desktop is basically the same as the Windows desktop -- there's nothing about it that gives you that sort of win. Maybe you can slightly reduce sysadmin overhead costs, but that's about it. Meanwhile, in the short term, rewriting line-of-business apps for Linux is a huge expense just to get back to the same level as the current Windows setup.

Aside for some shops that do everything via Web or Java, I just don't see payoff of Linux on the Desktop -- other than for political reasons.

Roamin' Fingers (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397031)

Arise oppressed masses, cast off your start button of enslavement, GOD IS WITH US!

In other news... (4, Funny)

boatboy (549643) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397043)

...Roman guards, under orders from Lineius Torvalds, seized Billus Gates as he camped outside the city. Formal charges are yet to be announced, but already crowds of Linux zealots are picketting the courthouse with signs that read "Penguify Him!"

Massive deployments of Linux desktops (3, Insightful)

dtio (134278) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397046)

Largo, Florida (400), Munich, Germany (14,000); Extremadura, Spain (80,000); Thailand (up to one million subsidized PCs to low income people, with 160,000 already shipped) and Rome now. Do you see a trend here? Massive deployments are taking place, mostly in the public sector, I think Linux has a bright future as the main option for tax funded massive deployments.

Re:Massive deployments of Linux desktops (4, Informative)

dtio (134278) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397086)

For more info on other massive deployments taking place in Europe see The Register's Linux in Europe [theregister.co.uk].

Very interesting.

Re:Massive deployments of Linux desktops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397304)

Largo, Florida was revealed to be a big Windows/Citrix user. They are more interesting as a dumbterm shop than a Linux shop.

uh oh (3, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397057)

now we'll have Roman Catholic Zealots join forces with the Linux Zealots?

Re:uh oh (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397218)

Hey -- Don't judge that possiblity to harshly, it might end up with Microsoft users getting stoned to death or burnt at the stake.

Oh sure, the Catholic Church did some lousy stuff back in their day, but I think getting rid of Microsoft would pretty much square up for anything they could have possibly done.

--SD ;)

Unfortunately... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397072)

...the Huns, Visigoths, and Vandals are running XP. It is said that some of these barbarians are running Windows For Workgroups, but that is just too horrible to believe.

To bad its not the City not the Church (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397101)

Then we really could call non Linux users heretics.

Free Software should also be Tax Free (1)

gRa (588044) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397106)

While I suppose, it is good for the people, when the government uses free software, I am afraid that the free software developers might become dependent on The Government.

my inner voice (3, Funny)

prescot6 (731593) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397164)

Did anybody else find themselves reading the article like they were practicing for a role on the Soprano's?

I didn't do it on purpose, but halfway through the article I thought to myself "Self, why are we reading with this ridiculous accent?" Crazy, huh?

Re:my inner voice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397348)

stereotypes are annoying...

Updated version of an old joke (4, Funny)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8397169)

A prominent cardinal enters the Pope's chambers with good news and bad news.

The good news, he tells the Pontiff, is that the Vatican has received an email from God himself!

The bad news is that they've traced the IP address to an ISP in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Italians and bribery (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8397194)

Don't want to sound like a troll, but Italians aren't exactly known for their honesty and fair play.

All Microsoft have to do is hand over a sum of money to the right people.
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